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philip__hi00:44
xixorphilip__: hi.00:48
SIR_Tacoxixor: seems he doesn't want to talk to you00:52
xixorwell fine.  I don't want to talk to him either.00:52
SIR_Tacomaybe rob___ does though00:52
xixorrob___: hi!00:52
rob___Whats going on00:53
xixornuffin00:55
SIR_Tacoxixor: he didn't want to talk to you either.... lol00:58
xixorI must be doing it wrong01:00
SIR_Tacoxixor: maybe try something like: "thank you good sir for blessing us with your company." or something along those lines01:02
SIR_Tacoxixor: or possibly: "Welcome to the wonderful channel of wonderfulness"01:03
xixorI prefer something a little more harsh and/or vulgar01:04
xixorI didn't want to talk to that nerd anyway01:04
SIR_Tacomaybe a little too harsh :P01:05
xixorif he's a kubuntu user, he's probably used to rejection01:06
SIR_Tacostill too harsh01:06
xixoror not harsh enough?01:06
xixoror just too harsh enough?01:06
SIR_Tacohaha no, and no01:07
xixormaybe we should apply the scientific method01:08
SIR_Tacoxixor: sure, go ahead01:08
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TSKScientific method?  Does it involve large amounts of electricity and lasers?01:28
* TSK is all for that.01:28
xixorno, it involves systematically insulting users as they join the channel and measuring their response01:28
TSKLike "Yer father was a hamster and yer mother smelt of elderberry wine!"01:29
SIR_Tacoxixor: think that's called Statistics... or Political Science.... one of those01:29
SIR_TacoTSK: just 'elderberries' :)01:29
TSKYar, what SIR_Taco said.01:30
TSKNo go away, or he shall taunt you again.01:30
TSK*Now01:30
TSKWait...  This conversational turn should be taking place in the Python channel.01:31
SIR_TacoTSK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s  ;) thanks for reminding me01:32
TSKHoly moly there's a LOTTA folk hangin' out in #python...  Wow...01:32
SIR_Taco; )01:32
TSKHehehe...  One of the best Monty Python movies EVER.  :)01:33
SIR_TacoTSK: I agree :)01:33
TSKLove the killer bunny with pointy teefs like this V'''V01:34
TSK*RAWR*01:34
SIR_Tacoforgot about "fetche lavache" :P01:34
* TSK giggles at the screams and bloodshed every time the cute bunny kills.01:34
xixorany Qt programmers here?01:45
SIR_Tacoxixor: what would you like to know?01:48
xixorI am drawing some technical/scientific images to a QPainter.  I want to have it resizeable, but want the QPainter widget to maintain a specific aspect ratio01:52
xixorI guess the thing to do is to work out the maximum dimensions that can fit into the window while maintaining the aspect ratio and manually set the Qpainter size01:52
SIR_Tacoxixor: I do beleive there's an 'onresize' or something along those lines... most of the Qt dev stuff I've done was spreadsheet type01:54
xixorSIR_Taco: Did you use the QTableView widget then?01:55
SIR_Tacoyes01:55
xixoroic01:56
xixorI can't figure out Qt's model view01:56
SIR_Tacoxixor: it took me a bit of figuring to figure out the model/view model they use, but it does make sense once you get used to it01:57
SIR_Tacoxixor: seem to remember having an issue with user input not updating in the model... but the view is an instance of the model, so you had to pass the change from the view to the model (I'd have to dig up code to explain that entirely)02:00
simplewyofel: ping02:03
yofelyes02:03
simplewi have set sudo with NOPASSWD, but muon after i click in apply it prompts for password02:04
yofelthat's policykit, not sudo02:04
simplewbut the polkit policy i see is to use sudo group02:04
simplewand im set to sud group02:05
yofelno idea, really02:05
simplewsynaptic for example doesnt prompt for password02:05
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xixorSIR_Taco: are you a developer then?02:08
SIR_Tacoxixor: I do write the odd custom business software... but I'm no expert02:10
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xixoroic02:11
SIR_Tacomaybe I'm that guy that the real software developers curse.... hope not :P02:12
DarthFrogSIR_Taco: If you're effective, who cares?02:13
SIR_TacoDarthFrog: good point... my software works and I haven't had a bug reported yet : )02:15
SIR_Tacothat's why I change phone numbers ever 3 months...  kidding :P02:19
PredictabilityHi, I'm having some troubles with my laptop when I try to boot up02:24
SIR_TacoPredictability: I knew you were coming02:24
Predictability?02:24
xixorI too predicted this02:24
PredictabilityWhen I try to boot up, I get these error messages: http://pastebin.com/jAQ4SK9302:25
PredictabilityCan anyone help?02:25
xixornope, this is something I am unfamilliar with02:26
SIR_TacoPredictability: your drive is encrypted?02:28
simplewyofel: can you tell how is the procidure to report a bug for muon?02:29
yofelwhat kind of bug?02:30
simplewyofel: not being able to follow polkit policy02:30
simplewyofel: in fact muon doesnt have any polkit policy set like it happens with synaptic...02:31
yofelthat would be a bug in polkit-kde-102:31
yofelsimplew: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=policykit-kde&format=guided02:32
simplewyofel: i dont think thats the case, but ill investigate better02:32
yofelas far as I know muon does nothing more than call the policy authentification agent02:33
yofel*policykit02:33
simplewyofel: like i thought, do this: dpkg -L synpatic|grep polkit02:34
yofelsimplew: but if you really want to report the bug against muon at first: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=muon&format=guided02:34
yofelah02:34
yofelI have really no idea how policykit works02:34
yofelI'm just happy when it doesn't fall apart on me02:34
SIR_Taco:P02:35
simplewyofel: and in muon there isnt any policy set, thats why it fails to follow policy because theres none set, thus always prompting the password even the user as set to NOPASSWD02:35
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simplewyofel: but muon is developed by ubuntu or by kde developers?02:37
yofelThe author is both02:37
Guest45290demonios, no entiendo el inglis02:37
yofeland muon is supposed to be shared, so it's more a KDE than a Kubuntu application02:38
simplewyofel: if you enter to /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/  you will not see there any file for muon02:38
yofelyes, I understood you02:38
yofelbut all I can help here is to tell you where to file the bug02:38
SIR_Tacoapper is supposed to replace muon.... eventually02:38
simplewyofel: so now we have got why muon contines asking password even if the user sets sudo with NOPASSWD02:39
yofelapper has the problem that it uses packagekit, which nobody of us is really a fan of02:39
yofel(the apt backend sucks)02:39
simplewi also dont like apper02:39
simplewneither packagekit02:39
yofelor at least it did while apper was still kpackagekit02:39
SIR_Tacoyofel: am much as I agree... it's supposed to be packagedkit 2.0 (I guess)02:39
simplewbut muon relys on packagekit...02:40
yofelno02:40
yofelmuon relies on qapt02:41
xixorquapt. lol02:41
SIR_Tacoyofel: it was a proposed change for 12.10 to move to Apper... I had a few heated discussions about that one....02:41
simplewyofel: my, bad i was induced in error02:41
yofelSIR_Taco: well, I'm not saying that apper isn't nice. The UI has it's good points02:42
yofelI really only had problems with packagekit, not apper/kpackagekit itself02:42
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SIR_Tacoyofel: my agruement wasn't the program itself, but the constant change over the releases. For a new user, that would get confusing02:43
simplewyofel: this problem is very easy to fix, the packager can do it02:43
SIR_Tacobut yes, I agree :P02:43
yofeloh yeah, I agree with that02:43
yofelsimplew: which is again the author02:44
simplewyofel: ok, so tell how to report the bug like you told me last me from cli02:44
simplewyofel: i have fixed it locally and now muon doesnt prompt for pssword02:45
yofelwell, I guess for this you can just file it with 'ubuntu-bug muon' on launchpad. No need to create a KDE bugzilla account if you don't have one02:45
yofelsimplew: great! Add what you did to the bug02:45
simplewyofel: but tell hwo to report the bug from the cli like you told me in the other time02:48
yofeluh, well, if you don't want to see apport-kde at all. run 'apport-cli muon'02:48
simplewyofel: im notunderstanding, the other time you told to run some ubuntu tool to report a bug02:53
yofeluhm, you mean the one I mentioned 4 lines before?02:53
simplewno02:53
yofelubuntu-bug muon02:53
simplewahhhh02:53
simplewi didnt saw that, sorry02:54
yofelwhich is really just a symlink to apport-bug02:54
simplewyofel: since you dont type my nick the message you send to me dont get highlighted02:54
yofelI'm used to only do that when it might be confusing who I'm talking to ^^02:55
simplewyofel: still need to do some more tests before opening a bug report03:01
simplewbrb03:01
* yofel is off to bed - good night folks03:04
SIR_Tacogood night yofel03:05
simplewyofel: no, the fix i put isnt fixing it in fact, since muon is only followng kbuntu policy, so some needs to be fixed in source code03:07
SIR_Tacosimplew: "-*- yofel is off to bed - good night folks"03:08
simplewoh ...03:08
simplew:~$ ubuntu-bug muon03:11
simplewERROR: Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress?  Error: No module named 'DLFCN'03:11
simplewwhy is this happening?03:11
smjI have a weird empty window called "Apport" which can't be closed, what process should I kill?03:19
simplewsmj: ps aux|grep apport03:21
simplewsmj: ps aux|grep -i apport03:21
simplewsmj: and youll get the pid to kill03:22
smjthanks03:25
ar9anyone of a way to delete a bunch of pictures that all in the same way? i have a bunch of pictures that all end in *small.jpg03:42
Gnosis-Hello. It doesn't seem like this HP printer is recognized. Here is my syslog. http://bpaste.net/show/55707/03:44
Gnosis-I keep trying to print a test page but nothing happens...03:45
simplewi see that in kubuntu wasnt installed any movie player, why? isnt there a default movie player in kubuntu?04:29
tsimpsonsimplew: dragon player is installed by default04:34
simplewtsimpson: yes i see, but doesnt even have .flv extension associated04:34
simplewtsimpson: now i installed kmplayerand isnt able to play .flv files04:35
tsimpson.flv is flash04:35
simplewso?04:35
tsimpsonso it's not a video, it's a container which needs specific codec support04:35
simplewwell dragonplayer plays it04:36
tsimpsonthen associate dragon player with .flv04:36
simplewtsimpson: thats not the problem, the problem is that kmplayer should play .flv04:36
tsimpsonsimplew: report a bug then04:38
LordOfTimeits probably by design it doesn't play .flv.  there's a bunch of players that "should" play $givenformat but don't.04:46
LordOfTimeeither that or it was an oversight by the designers.  Either way.04:46
LordOfTimeits either a bug or a feature request :P04:47
LordOfTimeor both04:47
simplewi think smplayer would be more apropriated to be kubuntu default player that dragon...04:54
tsimpsonsimplew: dragon is the one shipped by KDE, it's the one we use04:57
simplewisnt there ay .swf player ?05:00
LordOfTime<simplew> well dragonplayer plays it05:02
LordOfTimeto quote you :p05:02
LordOfTimeVLC i think would play them too05:02
simplewLordOfTime: these are games05:03
* LordOfTime returns to dealing with one of his broken systems.05:03
simplewshckwave games05:03
LordOfTimesimplew:  the web browser you use05:03
simplewah we have gnash05:03
simplewgnash swf viewer05:04
LordOfTimeweb browser would work too :P05:04
simplewyeap, but i prefer a viewer instead using thebrowser05:05
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tsimpsonShockwave is not Flash, and Adobe don't support Shockwave on Linux05:07
LordOfTimeshockwave's windows only last i checked their site.05:08
LordOfTimesimplew:  if you want to play shockwave games, you'll need something other than Linux.  if they're Flash, then you Gnash might work.05:09
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simplewLordOfTime: i just said that previously05:11
LordOfTimeyou realize i don't always have logs?05:11
LordOfTimethat happens with IRC sometimes :P05:11
simplewLordOfTime: hu? i said a few lines ago05:12
LordOfTimemy ZNC's here, but its not sending log data.05:12
LordOfTimeso if my conneciton dies i lose scrollback05:12
* LordOfTime lost his connection in the past few minutes05:12
simplewis there any transcoder like Arista in kdE?05:14
yogaHallo World, do I need to disable all the ppa before I dist-upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10?06:28
tsimpsonyoga: no, the upgrade process disables them for you06:31
yogatsimpson: thanks.06:32
mickkieHi All, can someone please help with chainloading GRUB2 from Windows?08:17
mickkieI have a separate /boot partition ext2 and when I install grub2 it complains even when I use --force08:19
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invariantWhen I press Alt-F2 and type 'a' the input line has a certain height, now when I input the 'b' after it, the height is lowered.10:59
invariantHow can I make it such that the height doesn't change?11:00
drox_hello i have a problem, i have to install WiIThon but don't hello i have a problem, i have to install WiIThon but don't11:01
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drox_Hello, i have installed WiiThon a program to manage backup of Wii Games only thing is that it works with Gtk there is a variant that works whit Qt?11:04
drox_Alternatively, how do i make it work on installing kde as little as possibile of Gtk? Thank's a lot11:06
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hmartinetirc://irc.otaku-irc.fr:6667/Serial_Us11:35
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avihaywhat is my best chance for getting an kactivities enabled browser on a near stock 12.04 or even 12.10?12:01
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avihayrekonq 1.3 won't compile against kactivities with internal version number 6.0.0, or whatever cmake makes of it12:07
ovidiu-florinhello is there a way or an application I can get on Kubuntu a screen reader that can read from firefox? I mean, I want to hear the written text, not make the font bigger, or anything like that.12:16
avihayor a better question, if you install libkactivities-dev, does /usr/lib/cmake/KActivities/KActivitiesConfig.cmake lists 6.0.0 or 6.1.0 on 12.10?12:19
avihayovidiu-florin: I use Jovie with speak clipboard contents. it has issues though12:20
woogieHello12:23
ovidiu-florinhello woogie12:24
ovidiu-florinthank you avihay12:26
BluesKajhowdy all12:28
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oneadventanyone feeling giddy on fixing a problem i have with kubuntu that isn't THAT important12:36
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ovidiu-florinavihay: what issues are you reffering about?12:41
avihayI want to use a web browser that supports activities, it would really help me organize my schoolwork12:43
oneadventlike tab coloring avihay12:43
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avihaylike tabgroups12:43
oneadventi *thought* that ff tabs can be done that way with a plugin, but they use colors to group. Like if you click a link in a purple tab window the new tab would be purple too, and then I think you can define them as purple too if you open a new one12:45
oneadventbut i guess that isn't really *group* in the way you are thinking?12:45
avihayonly activity sensitive12:45
avihaywell, I have a plugin for FF that's called tabgroup-manager12:46
avihayit allows you to open several groups of tabs open, like news, school, reading, and everything else12:47
oneadventsounds about right, why is it wrong?12:47
avihayI kinda abuse it, since I have over a thousand tabs "open" (some are supended, or don't load since I don't enter them)12:48
avihayI want it to automatically show me some tabgroup depending on current activity12:49
avihaywell, if it's FF then I want something more complex, but for another browser, that'd be sufficient12:49
oneadventok well i dont know of anything like that but can i ask wtf you need 1000 tabs open?12:50
avihaywell, 160 tabs are online books, comix or other such media that I read or plan to, I use that instead of keeping a reading list12:57
avihayand I have about 20 tabs in a group called make, of stuff I want to make, but I know I never will, a group for useful linux tutorials, and more and more, I really need to clean up, but I'm lazy12:58
BluesKajI just use bookmark folders for that kind of stuff13:00
avihayI'm no good with bookmarks, they get cluttered even faster,  and I never touch them again, this way, I'm kinda forced to resort and close the extras, it also saves positions in the page and stats that can't be saved by bookmarks, but I rarly use that13:03
avihaygonna try plasma-active-browser13:03
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avihayaaand no tab support,                  I think,                    UI kinda spartan13:08
oneadventhmm technology to organize that mess? I think bookmarks is best for the most part13:09
xixorsup13:15
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pedorhi, I'm using kubuntu 12.10 and after adding skrooge ppa it started to use only debian repository. how can i fix that?13:39
OerHekspedor, use ppa-purge to reverse the installation of that ppa13:40
OerHeks sudo ppa-purge  <PPa>13:40
pedorOerHeks: I think something is very strange, i can't use or install ppa-purge13:42
OerHeksThat is bad, reinstall kubuntu then.13:44
pedoryes... i think it's the fast and only way, lol13:45
OerHeksI had those issues too,, hard way learning not to add any fancy PPA13:46
OerHeksfinancial program skroodge 1.3.0.1 is in the standard repository, not sure what version would be in that ppa13:49
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pedorit's 1.3.313:59
pedori hate when things like this happens13:59
pedorbut, maybe it will fix another problem, kubuntu is froozing at least once a day.13:59
BluesKajpedor, do you have the "universe" repository enabled ?14:05
pedorno, now appear a dfsg stuff14:06
simplewyofel: i cant report bugs usig ubuntu-bug, see:14:21
simplew:~$ ubuntu-bug muon14:21
simplewERROR: Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress?  Error: No module named 'DLFCN'14:21
invariantIf every virtual desktop had a different virtual machine running, wouldn't you have basically the same as activities, except better?14:27
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lordievaderinvariant: How would you see that as better? You get a lot of overhead, and the performance goes down...14:28
invariantlordievader, activities are nice for the next few years, but within 5 years a solution I just described will be used.14:29
lordievaderinvariant: But apart from that, yes I think they are quite alike.14:29
invariantlordievader, activities are a short term solution to what's perhaps not even an actual problem.14:30
lordievaderinvariant: You know that kde's activities are poorly understood and used by people?14:30
invariantlordievader, for me, I would love to configure a bunch of windows in some way with some URLs open and then save that configuration in some way.14:30
invariantlordievader, but AFAIK, that's not what activities can do.14:30
invariantlordievader, in particular the part where it shouldn't store all of that in RAM.14:31
invariantlordievader, they are used poorly mostly because it's not communicated clearly why someone might want to use it in actual scenarios.14:31
BluesKaj!schedule14:40
ubottuA schedule of Raring Ringtail (13.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule14:40
Marius80hi14:50
Marius80I've got a problem with evolution14:50
Marius80in Kubuntu 12.04,  evolution sometimes doesn't let me type in things14:50
BluesKajMarius80, check system settings>application appearance>gtk+appearance kde font settings etc15:01
Marius80BluesKaj, I am a little farer now... I need to explain the details:15:01
xixorbah, I give up on using mutt.  What a silly program.15:02
Marius80the bug comes up, then I use select something from a dropdown field15:02
Marius80example:15:02
Marius80There is a setup wizard on the first run15:02
Marius80I had to enter my password,  and there was a dropdown field asking for the connection type15:02
Marius80I choosed something, then I could not type any more15:03
Marius80after that,  the bug did not show up again... until....15:03
Marius80until I tried to add my signature15:03
Marius80I choosed "HTML" from the dropdown... and I could not type again15:03
Marius80the default was "PLAIN TEXT"15:03
BluesKajsetup wizard for what ?15:04
Marius80for evolution15:04
Marius80I also thought about switching to kmail,  but I am not sure if it will really be able to handle 2 accounts as well as evolution15:04
BluesKajMarius80, sounds like you're mixing and matching kde and gnome , despite the pronouncements that they can run each other's apps staying pure to one DE or the other is a better policy IME15:07
Marius80BluesKaj, well,  until now,  it always worked (in karmic koala)15:09
Marius80since I updated (2 days ago) I have to solve over 30 problems15:09
BluesKajlike I posted above Marius80 , check you system settings gtk fonts15:09
Marius80including changes of source code, recompiling whole programs and sensing bug fixes do developers15:09
Marius80what exactly shall I check there?15:10
BluesKajit's obvious15:10
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Marius80re15:29
Marius80BluesKaj, sorry I had a connection problem15:29
Marius80not sure what you saw... it worked out for me15:29
Marius80I had to change the used GTK theme15:29
Marius80it works with other themes15:29
BluesKajI meant use either gtk or kde fonts , try different setings to see what works best'15:31
Marius80BluesKaj, a little question...  is it possible to get additional gtk styles?    95% of the available GTK Styles on Kubuntu 12.04  seem to look like the same,   only 3 look different and the best looking one in BLUE -  which I really dislike15:34
Marius80BluesKaj, ok can I change a GTK themes  blue color?  Then the theme would be nice15:35
BluesKajMarius80, look at widget styles drop down in styles> apps appearance in system settings15:39
BluesKajapps appearance>styles rather15:39
Marius80BluesKaj, I've choosen "Plastique" as Widget style"15:40
Marius80not sure if this is what we are talking about15:40
Marius80BluesKaj, by the way thank you very much for chatting with me about my problems15:41
BluesKajwhat gtk+style15:42
BluesKajabout15:42
BluesKajMarius80, no problem . glad to help if I can15:42
Marius80BluesKaj, still not sure if we are talking about the same15:42
Marius80I give a short resume15:42
BluesKajin the widget dropdown15:43
Marius80the problem was evolution (freezing sometimes) - so I changed the GTK Style to a working one15:43
Marius80the working GTK style looks ugly,  (blue) so I wanted to change the blue color15:43
Marius80the widget style "Plastique" applies to KDE programs (afaik) and plastique is the one I would like to use15:44
Marius80not sure what I shall change now15:44
Marius80sorry bloody beginner when it comes to this stuff15:44
BluesKajwell, I stick to simple and clean looks like oxygen and blue themes like marble15:46
BluesKajMarius80, and in windows decor , I prefe the PlastiK look15:48
Marius80I also prefer the plastique decor for windows15:48
Marius80BluesKaj, lemme ask differently:15:48
Marius80in the section "GTK+ Appearance"15:48
Marius80ah THIS is what you are talking about!!!15:49
Marius80now I got it15:49
Marius80sorry I was in the "Style" section15:50
Marius80just realised that there is also a "Widget style" dropdown under GTK+ Appearance tab15:50
Marius80I tried out all of them15:50
Marius80how can I get new styles there?15:50
BluesKajworkspace appearancs is another system settings group for desktop themes and window decor15:50
BluesKajWorkspace Appearance rather Marius8015:51
Marius80true that... however,  I think I don't really get the point15:52
Marius80only the GTK programs have an ugly theme15:52
Marius80I only wanted to download the GTK themes15:52
Marius80but I am going to search the internet15:53
Marius80thank you so far15:53
BluesKajMarius80, then why are you running KDE ?15:55
Marius80BluesKaj, because I love KDE :)  We are just talking about the GTK styler15:56
xixorafaik, the only gtk app I run is gparted occasionally.  Is chromium gtk?15:56
BluesKajseems you want mostly a gtk look15:57
Marius80BluesKaj, you did not understand me15:57
BluesKajxixor, yeah I think so15:57
Marius80I want GTK look like KDE15:57
Marius80I dislike that evolution and firefox look so different15:57
Obsidian1723Say does anyone know how to get the Gnome 2 Human theme with the root beer broze colored folders into KDE?15:57
BluesKajthen choose the kde themes15:57
Marius80and xchat15:57
Obsidian1723Is there a Gnome 2 Himan theme for KDE?15:58
Marius80BluesKaj, but the original KDE theme (the GTK Style) caused evolution not to work15:58
xixorI think that it's pretty impressive that people were able to code anything with GTK15:58
Marius80that was the first problem15:58
BluesKajxchat ? konversation is my fav xchat a distant 2nd15:58
xixorirssi15:59
Marius80xixor, +115:59
BluesKajirssi is ok for emergencies in the TTY15:59
xixorlol, mirc which hasn't changed since 1997 is still better than most linux GUI irc clients15:59
Marius80xixor, lol you could run it using wine :)15:59
BluesKajwell, mirc is funded ,,,they can afford to look better16:00
xixorI run a windows VM, or RDP to a windows machine, and use mirc16:00
BluesKajyeah it works in wine ...tried a long while back16:00
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douglwhy are my fonts all messed up... kmail looks good but when I try to print it the email is huge in the preview and another settings pannel (i am trying to find it now) the fonts are microscopic and too tiny to even read - any suggestions?16:41
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douglI get 404 errors when apt-get update lists my sources - where do I correct the address in the list or delete the reference?16:55
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BluesKajdougl, have you tried changing repository servers ?17:18
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douglBluesKaj, thanks for the reply - I have not done anything yet... I only know of the sources.list and it contains no reference to the offending urls reported by update command17:29
douglnot sure when it happened but some gremlins got into my 12.10 install and is really acting buggy...17:30
douglI have a font issue, printing issue and a sources issue - all came up after I installed mplayer or mplayer2... sure could use some help making my system coherent.17:31
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douglBluesKaj, where do you change repository servers?17:33
johangwbassonThe file "/etc/apt/sources.list" contains repository definitions17:34
dougljohangwbasson, thanks...17:34
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douglBluesKaj, yes I looked in the sources.list file and it had no reference to the urls the update command was 404ing on... so where does the system get those sources from?17:36
Torchdougl: there's also /etc/apt/sources.list.d which is a directory with more sources17:36
Torchdougl: it might be empty17:36
BluesKajdougl, open you package manager and look for repository servers17:37
douglBluesKaj, ah!!! damn 12.10 muon's software sources option contains information displayed with a font so microscopic I cannot even use the application... this 12.10 install is going from bad to worse and I did not do anything out of the ordinary - I am not sure 12.10 is ready for prime time.17:41
douglbrb - rebooting to see if font issue persists17:42
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johangwbassonI find that the liberation font looks good in Kubuntu17:42
douglnope - muon is too small and useless to edit sources...17:45
douglmuon uses fonts too small and useless to edit sources...17:46
douglTorch, I found a file with the offending urls in /etc/apt/sources.list.d do I just delete it?17:47
Torchdougl: go slow with deleting stuff ;-) can't you pastebin the contents so we can have a look?17:48
BluesKajdougl , alt+f2 , kdesudo sytemsettings , let's setup your applications that require root permissions to edit such as muon , by opening application appearnce>fonts adjust all fonts , the choose the font, font style , and fonts ize , apply and that should make a diference in readability.17:49
BluesKajexcpt for my spelling readability :)17:50
* BluesKaj was trying to type as quickly as possible before dougl started to delete stuff17:50
dougllol - thanks guys... using pastebin for torch then gonna follow BluesKaj's font suggestions17:52
BluesKajI wish setting the fonts was global including root permissions , having to do it twice is royal pain17:52
douglTorch, http://pastebin.com/zvrHC59u17:53
douglBluesKaj, kdesudo sytemsettings has no apparent effect... is it because system setting is already opened?17:54
BluesKajdougl, drop the .d and see what lists17:54
BluesKajdougl, kdesudo systemsettings ..I mis-spelled17:55
BluesKajsorry17:55
douglkdesudo systemsettings = system settings with microscopic fonts...17:56
lorenzo_ciao a tutti17:58
BluesKaj!it | lorenzo_17:58
ubottulorenzo_: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)17:58
douglBluesKaj, is http://pastebin.com/5sHkCMMa what you wanted to know by dropping the d ?17:58
BluesKajdougl,  ca.archive.ubuntu.com is a stable server, I don't get the 404 response to your updates18:01
douglBluesKaj, Ok - great, thanks... err where do I set that up?18:02
dougllol18:03
BluesKajit's already setup in your sources.list ..it shouildn't be giving a not found response18:03
dougloh... :( so my system is still a borked box of linux packages?18:04
douglbrb did that font change with no effect - restarting x18:05
BluesKajdougla, you don't have borked packages if apt didn't download them from the repositories18:07
BluesKajerr dougl ^18:08
BluesKajor dpkg rather18:08
douglBluesKaj, not sure if borked it the right word... but my box is definitly broken... still cannot read fonts on kdesu systemsettings18:09
BluesKajok ...bbiab , gotta check the other OSs on this pc18:09
douglk - later = thanks for the help appreciate it :)18:10
BluesKajkdesudo systemsettings is a run command which opens system settings as root rather than user , so any font settings you set in applications appearance and saved by clicking apply should have been saved .18:12
BluesKajok BBL18:12
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douglnot too sure what to say... fonts are broken, sources are broken and printing from kmail is broken - seems like a broken box?18:15
douglhow do we define broken these days - I thot is used to mean a box that was not doing what it was supposed to do?18:15
BluesKajok, no upgrades on 12.10 or W718:26
dougl?18:27
BluesKajI mean none available18:27
douglupdates.18:27
BluesKajupdate first then upgrade , update merely makes the upgrades available it doesn't install remove or upgrade anything18:28
douglright18:28
douglso why is it my sources list works on your machine but 404's for some on mine?18:30
BluesKajI'm running a toolchain release of 13.04 on this partition/test drive, that's whay i had to leqave to check 12.10 and W7 . 12.10 is on different partiton and W7 is on a differnt HDD18:31
douglgotcha18:31
BluesKajmaybe you have some 12.04 ppas still listed18:32
BluesKajlike the xbmc ppa18:32
douglformated the partition before I installed (half a dozen times) but kept the /home mounted partition18:33
BluesKajthat's what the /etc/apt/sources.list.d contains18:33
douglI added the xbmc ppa and then that is when I noticed the 404s18:33
douglI should have never pushed for xbmc on this machine... linux has never been a good media center machine for me18:34
dougl/etc/apt/sources.list.d is a 12.04 thing?18:35
BluesKajkubuntu here works as a media center on this pc ...but you don't need xbmc for that . VLC is way less obtrusive and just as easy to setup18:36
BluesKaj /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a file path to directory , they hardly ever change from one release to another18:37
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douglBluesKaj, I thot vlc was some ugly windows app that would look shitty on a big 62" tv?18:38
douglwindows = windowed18:39
BluesKajdougl, if you're going set up a media pc , using the hdmi out to a stereo or a tv is the easiest way to go , you can set that up in phonon and pavucontrol18:39
BluesKajand alsamixer18:39
douglBluesKaj, the hdmi out will have no tearing?18:40
BluesKajdougl well , my tv is a 42" plasma and I use it as a pc monitor as well18:40
douglNo command 'phonon' found, did you mean:18:41
dougl Command 'photon' from package 'photon'18:41
BluesKajdougl, that depends on you graphics gpu and your cpu18:41
BluesKajphonon is in system settings >multimedia18:41
douglI have a asus nvidia gt520 and a core 2 duo18:42
BluesKajphonon is strictly for audio settings , the video settings are best setup in the player like VLKC18:43
douglBluesKaj, and my mce remote will work on this config?18:44
BluesKajdougl, then you should be fine , I have a 8400gs and it's not as capable as your gt52018:44
douglVLKC = vlc?18:45
BluesKajyup18:45
BluesKajanother phat phingered typo18:45
douglwe are all good :) = fat fingers here too... just happen to be backspace proficient - lol18:46
BluesKajhttp://www.ehow.com/how_7335239_control-vlc-media-center-remote.html18:47
douglI run vlc here and I get a command prompt... lol18:48
* dougl reading http://www.ehow.com/how_7335239_control-vlc-media-center-remote.html18:48
BluesKajopen a terminal , sudo apt-get install vlc18:48
douglI already did sudo apt-get install vlc-nox cuz system suggested it = ok?18:50
* dougl did sudo apt-get install vlc too18:51
BluesKajdougl, for laptops yeah18:52
douglso can you vlc full screen with no window decorations?18:54
BluesKajyes18:54
xixoryou can even run it in a window without any decorations18:54
BluesKajfull screem , move the mouse and you get a small indicator at the bottom with the usual controls18:55
BluesKajfull screem for horror movies , full screen for most others :)18:57
dougllol - looking for vlc remote control plugin18:58
tsimpsonit comes with several already, including telnet and web19:01
BluesKajdougl, look in tools>preferences>show settings , choose all, then under interface , choose control interfaces, then infrared remote control interface19:04
BluesKajI just use a wireless KB and mouse , but I don't use a tv tuner on my pc19:07
douglyeah - I was thinkign of kb and mouse but already had my microsoft remote from mythtv and vdr days and other than a select or ok button it worked out of the box on xbmc19:08
douglprolly end up getting a kb and mouse... really just a mouse would do it - I'd have to figer out vlc tho  first19:10
BluesKajma bell supplies my tv signals , so i have more remotes than enough19:10
BluesKajone thing about vlc , it doesn't tkae over your whole pc , altho i do understand why xbmc is so popular on HTPCs19:11
douglI don't think I like xbmc's behavior but it does have a nice polished finish19:13
BluesKajI tried it xbmc for a while it worked great once it was setup , but it just too many menu levels for my liking ...very reminiscent of windows media type all in one players19:13
douglI would like to run one server on the tv and another server for my desktop (tv upstairs and monitor downstairs19:13
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douglyeah - all I want to do is play my downloaded mkv files and avi - well all my downloaded content that the mac or windows gets fussy about... always just works on linux19:15
douglBluesKaj, you'd know... what happend to xorg.conf - where I used to set up my displays as seperate x servers?19:15
BluesKajwish genii was around today , he really knows his stuff about networking media19:16
douglno worries here - I don't need/want to get anything done... just enjoying the company :)19:17
douglwell - wish my kmail printing worked and I did not have font issues... that is ok tho just gives me incentive for 12.0419:18
dougl13.0419:18
douglnot 12.0419:18
BluesKajit's still in existence but not by default , in most cases it has to be created , and with nvidia it's dropping to TTY (ctrl+alt+F1 or 2 , then sudo service lihjtdm stop , then sudo nvivia-xconfig , then startx19:18
BluesKajlightdm19:18
yofelwithout nvidia it's still Xorg -configure I think, or just write it yourself it you know how to19:19
BluesKajsudo nvidia-xconfig19:19
yofel*if you19:19
* BluesKaj needs to take a break for a few mins ...bbl19:19
douglenjoy19:20
douglyofel, I have not done a manual xorg.conf in years... I would surely fek it up, but I am tempted to let nvidia do it19:22
yofelsure, should work19:22
douglthe way my box has been on a steady decline I think it best to wait til I have a few days in case I mess somethign up19:23
BluesKajdougl, sudo nvidia-config will actually stabilize the graphics settings to some degree on your pc19:31
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ScottyKGreetings! Currently I have an Nvidia 8600 GT video Card. Just bought a new Nvidia GT 630. Do I have to uninstall the nivida driver first, or simply swap cards? Thanks!19:56
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ScottyKGreetings! Currently I have an Nvidia 8600 GT video Card. Just bought a new Nvidia GT 630. Do I have to uninstall the nivida driver first, or simply swap cards? Thanks!20:30
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emare there any open source applications for making music like electronic dance music or dubstep?21:36
emlike an open source version of fruit loops or something?21:36
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simplewhow can i change the lightdm theme?22:13
simplewyofel: hi22:16
yofelsystem settings -> login manager (lightdm)22:16
simplewyofel: listen this, im using ubity gretter, but after i enter the apssword the images are the ones from kde22:17
simplewyofel: since in lightdm.conf i have: greeter-session=unity-greeter22:18
yofelthe login animation is ksplashx if I remember correctly22:18
simplewyofel: and where is that22:18
simplewfoudn it22:18
yofelworkspace appearance -> splash screen22:18
simplewyofel: do you know whats the dir where kspash themes are isntalled?22:27
yofel/usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/22:27
simplew:)22:28
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pouletenfeuis anyone alive22:36
pouletenfeuoh, guess not..22:37
L3top!ask | pouletenfeu22:38
ubottupouletenfeu: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience22:38
Obsidian1723It also helps to wait longer than a minute.22:38
pouletenfeuGOD DAMMIT22:39
yofel...22:44
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simplewyofel: that problem of restarting network-manager service and get more entries, doesnt appear anymore since i build new NM-0.9.7.0 and without those patches, i beleive that the problem is caused by some of those patches23:01
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svsplwhich packages do I need for Power Management in KDE to work?23:17
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