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[08:29] <ESphynx> hey guys, what's the deal with the jpeg8 libraries? they seem to be mutually exclusive with the jpeg62 dev headers?
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[12:34] <mohamedalaa98> Hi!
[12:35] <mohamedalaa98> Can you please review th propose https://code.launchpad.net/~m-alaa8/ubuntu/raring/im-switch/fix-for-621204/+merge/132031
[12:35] <mohamedalaa98> *this
[12:35] <mohamedalaa98> thank you :)
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[17:00] <alo21> hi all
[17:01] <alo21> I would like to upgrade some packages. I have no upload right, so the only way is to make a request.
[17:02] <obounaim> Hello everybody,
[17:02] <alo21> My question is: How should I act? I mean... when I find a package to upgrade in LP (like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zpaq/+bug/1074840), what are the steps?
[17:02] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1074840 in zpaq (Ubuntu) "Zpaq package isnt up to date (wasnt updated over 2 years)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:03] <alo21> obounaim: hi
[17:03] <jtaylor> alo21: the first step should probably be forwarding the issue to debian
[17:04] <alo21> jtaylor: you mean if there's an upgrated package there?
[17:04] <jtaylor> the maintainer is still active, so best contact him
[17:04] <alo21> ok
[17:04] <jtaylor> http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zpaq.html
[17:05] <alo21> jtaylor: this mean I will never find a package without a maintainer
[17:05] <jtaylor> in debian no
[17:05] <jtaylor> but sometimes the maintainer is not active anymore, then it gets complicated
[17:06] <alo21> jtaylor: once time I forward the issue?
[17:08] <jtaylor> ?
[17:11] <alo21> jtaylor: if the package will be upload in Debian, should I make a sync request?
[17:11] <jtaylor> yes
[17:11] <jtaylor> it will likely go into experimental which needs manual sync
[17:12] <alo21> jtaylor: what do you mean with 'manual sync'?
[17:13] <jtaylor> stuff from unstable is synced automatically
[17:13] <jtaylor> until some point in the cycle
[17:13] <jtaylor> after that or when its in experimental you need to request a sync
[17:18] <alo21> jtaylor: ok... just one more question. Here (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zpaq) there is jary aalto as maintainer. The name shows there is the debian's maintainer or the Ubuntu's one?
[17:18] <jtaylor> its the debian maintainer
[17:18] <jtaylor> ubuntu does rarely have maintainers
[17:19] <jtaylor> if the version has no ubuntuX its definitely a debian maintained package
[17:21] <maxb> ....mostly :-0
[17:21] <maxb> er, :-)
[17:21] <maxb> The exception would be the few packages that are developed specifically for Ubuntu
[17:21] <jtaylor> those have -0ubuntuX as version
[17:22] <maxb> !info upstart
[17:22] <ubottu> upstart (source: upstart): event-based init daemon. In component main, is required. Version 1.5-0ubuntu8 (quantal), package size 284 kB, installed size 1000 kB
[17:22] <jtaylor> there are only very few were this is not true
[17:22] <jtaylor> mostly very old ones
[17:22] <maxb> hm, I'm sure there's a few examples somewhere
[17:22] <jtaylor> only few
[17:22] <siretart> !info udev
[17:22] <ubottu> udev (source: udev): rule-based device node and kernel event manager. In component main, is required. Version 175-0ubuntu10 (quantal), package size 310 kB, installed size 946 kB
[17:23] <maxb> OK, cheating slightly, but:
[17:23] <maxb> !info ubuntu-docs
[17:23] <ubottu> ubuntu-docs (source: ubuntu-docs): Ubuntu Desktop Guide. In component main, is optional. Version 12.10.2 (quantal), package size 1415 kB, installed size 38049 kB
[17:23] <maxb> :-)
[17:23] <siretart> !info libav-extra :-)
[17:23] <ubottu> ':-)' is not a valid distribution: extras, hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, quantal, quantal-backports, quantal-proposed, raring, raring-backports, raring-proposed, stable, testing, unstable
[17:23] <siretart> gnarf
[17:23] <siretart> !info libav-extra
[17:23] <ubottu> Package libav-extra does not exist in quantal
[17:23] <siretart> seriously?
[17:24] <siretart> ubottu: am i imagining https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/libav-extra then?
[17:24] <ubottu> siretart: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:24] <maxb> OK, my knowledge of upstart versioning is evidently a bit out of date, it got the 0ubuntuX treatment in oneiric
[17:26] <micahg> siretart: the bot doesn't know about source packages
[17:29] <jtaylor> it didn't have it before oneiric because it was in sync with debian
[17:29] <jtaylor> but still its one of the packages maintained in ubuntu, stuff in universe is normally debian maintained
[17:33] <alo21> jtaylor: the maintainer told me that he could not upgrade the package because 'Zpaq after 1.10 are complete rewrites'.
[17:33] <alo21> what should I do?
[17:34] <siretart> micahg: oh, i see. thanks
[17:34] <jtaylor> did he say why that prevents updating?
[17:34] <siretart> micahg: what do you think about uploading libav to raring?
[17:34] <jtaylor> also did you file a bug?
[17:35] <micahg> siretart: well, as we discussed before release, sooner is better as soon as it's ABI stable
[17:35] <siretart> micahg: it is supposed to be now.
[17:36] <alo21> jtaylor: I sent him the bug's link, and he told me what I wrote you before
[17:37] <jtaylor> ask him to explain it in more detail, preferably in a bug report so its public
[17:50] <jtaylor> I just saw he answered in the ubuntu bug
[18:05] <alo21> jtaylor: yes
[18:14] <alo21> jtaylor: here is another upgrade-request (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipmitool/+bug/1074443), and it seems to be noticed yet (http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ipmitool.html), Haven'i I to send an email to debian's maintainer. Right?
[18:14] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1074443 in ipmitool (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade ipmitool to 1.8.12 for 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:19] <jtaylor> alo21: file a bug in debian
[18:20] <alo21> jtaylor: but it is in TODO list yet
[18:21] <alo21> have I to do this anyway?
[18:22] <jtaylor> which todo list?
[18:23] <alo21> here http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ipmitool.html
[18:24] <jtaylor> its still better to request it
[18:25] <jtaylor> as debian is frozen it would need to go into experimental, the maintainer may only want to do that if there is a request for it
[18:41] <alo21> jtaylor: have I attach the debian's bug in LP?
[18:48] <jtaylor> alo21: click on affects distribution -> select debian and paste the bug url
[18:49] <jtaylor> you should also be more verbose in the debian bug, at least link to the ubuntu bug
[18:51] <jtaylor> also remember to subscribe to debian b ugs
[18:51] <jtaylor> its not done by default
[18:53] <tumbleweed> but one generally CCs the reporter when replying to a bug, if their input is desired
[18:53] <jtaylor> yes but that can be forgotten
[18:53] <tumbleweed> yeah, "generally" :)
[18:55] <alo21> jtaylor: thanks
[19:13] <zhur> Hello!  I don't know if this is the right channel but can someone help me with a package creating?  I've got a project sources where one of the build dependencies is bundled with the project.  How do I write a rules file that runs build of the subproject first and then the project itself (both are cmake-based)?
[21:09] <rigid> ahoy
[21:14] <rigid> can anyone tell me what I is needed (besides a webserver) to host a deb repository? (so the user can just add it like described here http://deb.opera.com/ for example)
[21:14] <rigid> under the estimation that this is the best way to provide 3rd-party software in ubuntu...
[21:24] <maxb> rigid: Besides a webserver you just need software to write the appropriate index files which tell apt what's available in the repository
[21:25] <maxb> I find reprepro to be a good tool for managing a repository like this
[21:25] <maxb> Though it is a tool you should expect to spend some time learning
[21:26] <rigid> maxb: ah ok, so I need another program to do that...
[21:27] <maxb> Alternatively there are various ways to generate indexes for just an assortment of .deb files thrown in a directory, but I don't recommend that approach for anything but the smallest most ad-hoc repository
[21:28] <rigid> maxb: it's a very small repo, really... i would like to keep it at a minimum
[21:29] <maxb> Is it going to be hosted on a Debian/Ubuntu server?
[21:30] <rigid> no
[21:30] <rigid> it will be hosted on gentoo
[21:30] <maxb> Hmm. It can be tricky to sort out the index generation if you don't at least have an installation of dpkg
[21:31] <rigid> i have dpkg
[21:31] <rigid> i also have http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debianutils.html and http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debhelper.html available
[21:32] <maxb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333265/ is a script I wrote to do some very basic repositorymaking for a handful of local temporary packages in build environments
[21:32] <maxb> I would expect you need to tweak it, but it should give you some inspiration and lead you in the right directions
[21:32] <rigid> ah cool... thanks
[21:33] <rigid> i have dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources ... i guess i'll give it a try