[10:46] <tjaco> how can I add an account in ubuntustudio so I can upload fotos to flickr? anyone know?
[10:46] <tjaco> the add accounts section in settings is not there...
[10:48] <smartboyhw> tjaco, er you mean in a specific app?
[10:48] <tjaco> I'm using shotwell
[10:48] <smartboyhw> tjaco, shotwell ok
[10:50] <smartboyhw> tjaco, 1. Go to "Edit"-> "Preferences" -> "Plugins" tab -> Tick "Flickr"
[10:51] <tjaco> smartboyhw, there is a bug I think, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/online-accounts-account-plugins/+bug/1030627
[10:52] <tjaco> the solution is not possible in ubuntustudio, because it misses the online accounts function
[10:52] <smartboyhw> tjaco, it should. That's an invalid bug
[10:53] <tjaco> oh?
[10:54] <smartboyhw> tjaco, ah I now get it.
[10:55] <smartboyhw> tjaco, yes it is impossible. But then you should  just install online-accounts-account-plugins then
[10:56] <tjaco> ok, I'll try that
[10:57] <tjaco> later... gotta go
[14:38] <contrapunctus> Guys, what is Zeitgeist? Not sure I understand it's purpose o.o
[14:38] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, ?
[14:39] <contrapunctus> 'Zeitgeist Datahub'
[14:39] <contrapunctus> ?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, https://launchpad.net/zeitgeist-datahub
[14:45] <contrapunctus> smartboyhw - I suppose a more appropriate link would be http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/is-zeitgeist-spying-on-you lol ;)
[14:45] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, lol
[14:51] <holstein> a better question is "do i want to run/use zeitgeist?"
[14:52] <contrapunctus> smartboyhw - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/zeitgeist-continues-to-morph-into-skynet
[14:52] <contrapunctus> LOL
[14:53] <contrapunctus> (only the title, though.)
[14:53] <contrapunctus> true, holstein...see any use for it in a studio/performance rig?
[14:53] <holstein> contrapunctus: no
[14:53] <holstein> one could argue syslog is spying on you ;)
[14:53] <werto> o/
[14:54] <contrapunctus> syslog >_>
[14:54] <contrapunctus> Hai werto.
[14:54] <werto> hoi contrapunctus o/
[14:54] <contrapunctus> All this privacy crap is scary.
[14:54] <holstein> and im not justifying or encouraging the use or zietgiest... just that lots of things log what you do
[14:54] <werto> did you solved your issue with musescore?
[14:55] <holstein> i have a strict "do what makes you feel safe" approach when it comes to these things.. and thats why i like foss and linux/ubuntu.. you can choose to use or not use any of the parts
[14:56] <contrapunctus> holstein : Yesterday I saw this - http://www.fsf.org/facebook and this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook
[14:56] <contrapunctus> werto ...?
[14:56] <holstein> if i were worried about privacy, i wouldnt be on FB
[14:56] <contrapunctus> That's true, holstein, that's yet another thing I like about GNU/Linux.
[14:56] <werto> contrapunctus, you was searching for a way to make your music scores like "ancient" or coming from old times
[14:57] <contrapunctus> holstein - true about FB too, but what do you do when everyone uses it to keep in touch...and even professional contact -_-'
[14:58] <contrapunctus> werto - well yeah, it's kinda better. Editing the style and the fonts helped, although the export as PNG -> touchup in GIMP is a bit of a PITA, so haven't used that yet.
[14:59] <holstein> contrapunctus: i personally make sure its on https, and dont play farmville or any of the other crap that takes you from https... i read the terms when they change... and take the risk
[14:59] <holstein> i make money from FB.. so i find it easier to justify
[15:00] <holstein> if it werent for the buisness aspect, i would probably not bother.. just because its time consuming and "teeny"
[15:00] <contrapunctus> I'm thinking of shifting shop to frendica, in hope that it will be a kind of a middle ground...
[15:00] <contrapunctus> holstein - How dyou make money there? O.o And +999 on teeny! ;)
[15:01] <holstein> i get hired there for work.. or folks find me and make contact or whatever
[15:01] <holstein> its buisness
[15:01] <contrapunctus> Yeah. That's just the thing about it.
[15:01] <holstein> data mining wasnt invented with FB.. nor the internet
[15:01] <werto> nice contrapunctus, probably musescore developers could add something like that
[15:02] <holstein> companies have been trying to build profiles and use information for marketing since that was a good buisness idea
[15:02] <holstein> and in some ways, we in the FOSS communities do the same
[15:03] <holstein> even when we ask "what would we include in the video workflow?".. that question could be laser pinpoint targeted if we would collect data usage
[15:03] <contrapunctus> werto - Did you see the Mscore forum post or the IRC conversation?
[15:03] <holstein> will we? no... im just arguing the overall situation from an outside perspective
[15:03] <holstein> do i think its right?.. thats a different question.. i can understand the motivation
[15:04] <contrapunctus> holstein - We don't need to! Because we are so much more closer to the user base. :D
[15:04] <werto> contrapunctus, none, are there some topics related?
[15:04] <holstein> and, as long as i see clearly maintained opt-in or opt-out, im relatively comfortable with buisnesses doing buisness
[15:04] <contrapunctus> werto - No, just the solutions, heh :)
[15:05] <werto> oh lol, nice
[15:05] <werto> but I think is something not so "official", just a trick as I see
[15:05] <holstein> gotta run!... laterx
[15:05] <contrapunctus> holstein - True...but I don't trust businesses to be honest with that. Kay, bye :)
[15:06] <contrapunctus> werto - True that. It's probably a non-essential.
[15:07] <werto> yes of course, but it should be something nice for those affected to aesthetics, which means more users using it :)
[15:12] <contrapunctus> werto - True.
[15:13] <werto> the best should be the perfect balance between aestethic and functionalities
[15:14] <werto> unfortunately only little groups of developers think that way. Some points all to aestethics apple-like and no functionalities, to make software easyer. Some more points everything to functionalities but forgots also to have a simple icon
[15:19] <contrapunctus> Lol, true that, werto.
[15:20] <contrapunctus> Btw, have you tried Laborejo? o.o
[15:20] <werto> none, I'm a tracker composer :) avoid using notes
[15:23] <contrapunctus> Ah.
[15:24] <contrapunctus> Anyway, I gotta get to work; ciao, werto. :)
[15:24] <werto> ciao contrapunctus ;)
[17:27] <delarhi> I had a quick question about Ubuntu Studio: is it a superset of Ubuntu in the sense that it is simply Ubuntu with a number of these programs pre-installed?
[17:27] <zequence> delarhi: All of Ubuntu Studio is in the Ubuntu repo, in the form of packages, called ubuntustudio-*
[17:28] <zequence> delarhi: Such as, ubuntustudio-default-settings, and ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:28] <zequence> delarhi: The applications you use are in deed the same. Imported directly from Debian, more or less
[17:29] <zequence> Except for linux-lowlatency, which is only in Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio
[17:29] <delarhi> Great, thanks for the information!
[17:30] <zequence> delarhi: You won't get realtime privilege on Ubuntu, without adding yourself to audio group
[17:30] <zequence> delarhi: And saying "yes", when asked about it while installing jackd
[17:30] <zequence> If you want to make things simple for yourself, you install Ubuntu Studio. It has a nice menu for the applications
[17:32] <delarhi> I'm not familiar with realtime privilege, but this is an issue specifically with jackd?
[17:32] <zequence> delarhi: You need realtime privilege, in order to be able to run jackd in realtime
[17:32] <zequence> And you need to do that, if you want low latency, and reliable performance
[17:33] <delarhi> I see, thanks
[20:42] <hellslinger> hi guys, jackd fails to start after upgrading to 12.10. It just says"Failed to start server". Here is a pastebin of the console output. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333131/
[20:44] <zequence> hellslinger: Make sure no applications are using pulseaudio, like any web browser. Then, in a terminal: killall -9 jackdbus && killall pulseaudio
[20:44] <zequence> Then, try again
[20:46] <hellslinger> hmm, pulseaudio restarts everytime I kill it...
[20:47] <zequence> hellslinger: Yes. That was intended
[20:47] <hellslinger> still fails
[20:47] <hellslinger> same reason
[20:49] <hellslinger> I set autospawn to no in /etc/pulse/client.conf and it still fails
[20:49] <hellslinger> err still respawns
[20:53] <zequence> hellslinger: Try starting qjackctl from a terminal: pasuspender -- qjackctl
[20:53] <zequence> hellslinger: Make sure to kill jackdbus first
[20:55] <hellslinger> that worked to start it with the "dummy" subsystem
[20:55] <hellslinger> but now I can't stop it
[20:57] <hellslinger> if I kill -9 as root, I can stop it
[21:00] <zequence> hellslinger: Don't kill as root. Not needed
[21:00] <zequence> jacdbus is buggy. It won't stop
[21:00] <hellslinger> how do I get rid of jackdbus?
[21:00] <hellslinger> I want to go back to the old jackd
[21:01] <zequence> hellslinger: You can toggle the "enable dbus".. something in Setup -> Misc
[21:03] <hellslinger> so jack is starting with the dummy interface, but the question now is how do I get alsa to work
[21:04] <hellslinger> my card is just a snd-hda-intel
[21:06] <zequence> hellslinger: How's your frames/period? try raising it if it's very low
[23:22] <gordonjcp> evening
[23:35] <gordonjcp> okay, I'm running into problems with jack in a clean install of ubuntu studio
[23:36] <gordonjcp> when I start jack, no matter what I set in qjackctl's settings page it keeps trying to start hw:0
[23:37] <zequence> gordonjcp: 10.10? I'm able to start hw:1. Have never heard of this problem
[23:38] <gordonjcp> 12.10
[23:38] <zequence> ah, yeah, of course
[23:43] <zequence> gordonjcp: What does it say in your ~/.jackdrc?
[23:43] <gordonjcp> /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r48000 -p256 -n2 -D -Chw:1 -Phw:1
[23:45] <zequence> gordonjcp: I see you chose hw:1 in and out separately. I double checked by doing the same. So, mine reads: usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r44100 -p128 -n2 -D -Chw:1 -Phw:1
[23:46] <zequence> gordonjcp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333558/
[23:47] <gordonjcp> yeah, that's what I'd expect to see
[23:48] <gordonjcp> meh, it's nearly midnight and I have work tomorrow, and I've lost the tune I had anyway
[23:48] <zequence> gordonjcp: Maybe try the commandline also?
[23:50] <gordonjcp> that appears to work
[23:50] <gordonjcp> but qjackctl (and qtractor) won't talk to it
[23:50] <gordonjcp> sod it, back to the MMT8
[23:50] <gordonjcp> I can't believe there just isn't a usable PC-based sequencer
[23:51] <zequence> gordonjcp: Oh, is jackdmp running in the background?
[23:51] <zequence> qjackctl makes a mess trying to stop it
[23:51] <zequence> All though, i believe it's a jack bug
[23:52] <gordonjcp> nope
[23:52] <gordonjcp> I have had that though
[23:53] <zequence> gordonjcp: Try disabling dbus in qjackctl settings also
[23:54] <zequence> gordonjcp: And another thing you could try is: pasuspender -- qjackctl (if still using dbus)
[23:55] <zequence> len-dt was saying he had problems starting jack because of PA, as it seemed
[23:56] <zequence> Well, I'm about to zzz too