[02:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[02:02] <Quintasan> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/kubuntu-dev.html
[02:02] <Quintasan> Y U EMPTY
[04:27] <Tm_T> good morning
[10:07] <Riddell> I'm taking a holiday for a few days, see you later in the week
[10:08] <yofel__> have fun :)
[11:52] <apol> why doesn't kde-gtk-config have previews? Is there any reason in kubuntu not to depend on gtk?
[11:54] <apol> apachelogger: ^? I see that you added that recently
[11:55] <yofel__> apol: the usual reason was ISO space, as we have oxygen-gtk there but nothing that uses it. So not having gtk there saves space and breaks nothing (except the examples)
[11:56] <apol> yofel__: is kubuntu still limited to CD size?
[11:57] <yofel__> we do have an arbitrary 1GiB limit. And space is better spent on translations than on gtk
[12:00] <apol> ok..
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:24] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1074643] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite sh... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074643 (by Paul Hoell)
[13:27] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1046825] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: lectura insuficiente en b... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046825 (by starky_00)
[15:30] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1031856] I tried to install Skype, and now I can't delete it or install others packages. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1031856 (by Norbert Budzyński)
[15:30] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1034986] vlc crashed with SIGABRT in __assert_fail_base() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1034986 (by Ricardo J. Moreira Teixeira)
[15:41] <ScottK> !apt
[15:41] <ScottK> Tm_T: ^^^ really needs updating.
[15:42] <ScottK> Adept is removed from the archive and KPackageKit is called Apper now.
[15:45] <Tm_T> ScottK: give suggestion which I can apply (:
[15:45] <yofel__> !muon
[15:45] <ScottK> Adept/Muon and KPackageKit/Apper
[15:46] <yofel__> geh, what a link
[15:48] <ScottK> That's a bit old too
[17:48] <rbelem> :-D
[17:48] <rbelem> thx guys
[20:10] <ScottK> Happy birthday rbelem.
[20:11] <ScottK> !apt
[20:11]  * ScottK reminds Tm_T to get to it.
[20:11] <ScottK> yofel_: I propose we upload akonadi with the 4.9.3 SRU for quantal and not separately.
[20:12] <yofel_> ScottK: you mean use the same bug #?
[20:12] <ScottK> Yes
[20:12] <tsimpson> !apt =~ /Adept/Muon/
[20:12] <tsimpson> !apt =~ /KPackageKit/Apper/
[20:12] <tsimpson> !apt
[20:13] <yofel_> ok, I'll finish things in a bit. Only symbol updates left to do I think
[20:13] <ScottK> tsimpson: Thanks.
[20:13] <tsimpson> :)
[20:13]  * ScottK imagines Tm_T must still be tired due to jetlag coming back from UDS.
[20:34] <SteveRiley> hallo all
[20:35] <SteveRiley> newegg decided to cancel my nexus 7 tablet order since i placed it from denmark -- "unusual" they said
[20:35] <SteveRiley> so i ordered one from someplace else, will be here on wednesday
[20:35] <SteveRiley> sigh.
[20:35] <SteveRiley> everyone recover from jetlag?
[20:36] <ScottK> SteveRiley: I'm currently on a flight to get some new jetlag.
[20:36]  * ScottK loves wifi on planes.
[20:37] <SteveRiley> ScottK: and yet, they tell you to switch off your bluetooth mouse. 2.4 GHz = 2.4 GHz regardless of source, right?
[20:40] <ScottK> Well, it's all a matter of what they've done EMC testing on.
[20:41] <ScottK> It's not that it's known bad, but that it's unknown.
[20:43] <ScottK> OK.  Just about to shut down for landing.
[20:43] <SteveRiley> enjoy
[20:43] <SteveRiley> shadeslayer: when you have a moment, can you look at http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?60886-kde-telepathy-accounts-login-errors
[20:44] <SteveRiley> shadeslayer: i'm seeing the same problem on both my laptops, not sure if it's known or which package to file a bug against
[20:44] <SteveRiley> shadeslayer: for me, the problem is only with jabber. other protocols work fine.
[20:52] <keithzg> With the Ubuntu side of things testing the Nexus 7, is there any testing of the N7 with Kubuntu Active that could/needs-to be done?
[20:52] <keithzg> I tripped over my housemate's cat the other day and cracked the screen, so I'm up for wiping mine and doing some testing :)
[20:55] <Tm_T> ScottK: yeah, had to rotate my old rusty clock 23 hours back when I got home
[20:55] <Tm_T> that said, heading to sleep so have to look into those factoids tomorrow (:
[21:13] <yofel_> ok, now to finish 4.9.3
[21:13] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1055114] three guest accounts on lightdm login screen after "sign out" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1055114 (by Pascal Rosin)
[21:23] <SteveRiley> keithzg: yes, i've ordered a nexus 7 and it should arrive in a couple days. quintasan has the script to build an image.
[21:23] <SteveRiley> the installer completely wipes android and puts ubuntu on the bare metal.
[21:27] <yofel> yeah, only symbols to update
[21:27] <yofel> !testers
[21:27] <yofel> 4.9.3 for quantal needs testing in ninjas
[21:28] <SteveRiley> plasma active sort of works, afiestas had it running on his nexus 7 last week. but there's something not right about how finger taps are interpreted. he's checking into that.
[21:29] <yofel> SteveRiley: Can you put android back on it? IIRC there was a way
[21:29] <yofel> I'll get a N7 myself till end of the week
[21:29] <SteveRiley> yofel: yup, that's also possible.
[21:29] <SteveRiley> all the flashing is done via fastboot, so it appears to be reasonably resistant to bricking
[21:30] <yofel> yeah, they did say that they didn't brick a single tab
[21:33] <SteveRiley> they showed 8 GB and 16 GB tablets. i've ordered a 32 GB tablet. i'll install the 16 GB image; the tablet guys said i should be able to resize2fs the partition to use the full space. no one's tried that before :)
[21:35] <yofel> resize2fs is how you flash the SD cards for raspberrypi boards
[21:35] <yofel> so shouldn't be a problem
[21:36] <yofel> I'll probably get the 32G version too, without SIM card support though
[21:38] <SteveRiley> yeah, i opted to go sim-less too. seattle is pretty much bathed in wi-fi. i can ride the bus all over downtown and hop on insecure wi-fi. people should be glad i'm not evil :)
[21:39] <yofel> not as much here, but I can get internet over bluetooth and my mobile phone
[21:46] <yofel> 4.9.3 done for raring too now
[21:47] <yofel> hm
[21:47] <yofel> Quintasan_: ping, 4.9.3 testing needed (and tell someone to add you to !testers)
[21:49] <mparillo> When you wrote 4.9.3 is done for raring, I went to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20121105/ but there are no 32-bit Raring ISOs yet, are there?
[21:50] <keithzg> yofel: that's one area where a Kubuntu Nexus 7 may have a big advantage over the stock Android install; the core OS doesn't really respect a bluetooth connection as an internet connection, so refuses to, for example, check email.
[21:51] <yofel> hm, don't think so, and with the milestone rework I'm not sure when they'll start building them
[21:51] <yofel> also, 3.9.3 is currently only in the ninjas PPA
[21:51] <yofel> release is tomorrow, then it'll get into the archive
[21:52] <yofel> hm, we should probably watch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/ for system issues 
[21:53] <mparillo> Thank you. Is an aternative to download the 13.04 server image ISO, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and will the 4.9.3 update get pushed?
[21:54] <yofel> in a few days after 4.9.3 got uploaded and passed -proposed, yes
[21:54] <BluesKaj> yofel, I'll wait for that since I'm running 13.04 already
[22:04] <yofel> mparillo: actually, the dailies just failed to build
[22:05] <mparillo> Thank you yofel, but BluesKaj is running 13.04 already. 64-bit, or hacked together somehow?
[22:06] <yofel> you can always change 'quantal' to 'raring' in your /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade
[22:06] <yofel> unsupported, but only way right now
[22:06] <yofel> (I mean, unsupported, but it ~works)
[22:11] <mparillo> Opens with Libre Office, ugh when I click from Dolphin. Basically I should kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list from the Konsole, and do a global search and replace?
[22:12] <yofel> pretty much, or 'sudo sed 's/quantal/raring/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list' from konsole
[22:12] <BluesKaj> mparillo, yeah ,started with the toolchain and edited sources.list ...so far so good
[22:12] <yofel> BluesKaj: well, WE didn't break anything yet :P
[22:13] <yofel> 4.10 beta1 tagging is in 10 days, that'll be fun (except for the "make 40 kdegames packages" part -.-)
[22:14] <BluesKaj> mparillo, I have a 12.10 fallback install on another partition
[22:17] <mparillo> Thx, so do I. And thanks for the sed tip. Next is sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[22:17] <yofel> yep
[22:19] <Quintasan_> #@$%!#$!#%1
[22:19] <Quintasan> Curses
[22:19] <yofel> ?
[22:19] <Quintasan> burndown charts are not up yet
[22:20] <Quintasan> and I'm still sitting here cursing libreoffice is somehow default for txt files
[22:20] <Quintasan> how did that end up being the case?
[22:20] <yofel> that's seem like a pattern somehow...
[22:20] <yofel> we even patched txt support out of calligra
[22:20] <Quintasan> on my fresh qunatal install it uses libreoffice
[22:20] <Quintasan> curses
[22:21] <yofel> on my fresh quantal vm it uses kate, so I have no idea what happens there
[22:21]  * yofel curses the symbolhelper in the meanwhile
[22:24] <yofel> SIGH
[22:24] <yofel> Quintasan: libmygpo-qt is cursed
[22:24] <Quintasan> did I break it?
[22:24] <yofel> no, the symbolshelper has a bug I think
[22:25]  * Quintasan just did an update
[22:25] <Quintasan> and that's it
[22:25] <yofel> was trying to upload your package into the archive, but I can't get the symbolsfile to work right
[22:26] <yofel> the symbolshelper creates this for amd64 i386: (subst)_Znw{size_t}Pv@Base 1.0.6
[22:26] <yofel> and then errors out in pbuilder with
[22:26] <yofel> - (subst)_Znw{size_t}Pv@Base 1.0.6
[22:26] <yofel> + _ZnwmPv@Base 1.0.6-0ubuntu1
[22:26] <yofel> i386 is  _ZnwjPv@Base 1.0.6-0ubuntu1
[22:29] <yofel> now that's fun, m is unsigned long, j unsigned int. stupid gcc
[22:37] <yofel> SIGH (again)
[22:38] <yofel> why am I using pkgkde-symbolshelper to debug a program that doesn't use it? -.-
[22:39] <mparillo> Is this a serious warning: Failed to download http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/binary-i386/Packages
[22:39] <mparillo> 404  Not Found
[22:41] <maco> mparillo: i think it just means there are no extras for raring yet
[22:41] <yofel> mparillo: comment the extras repository out, it doesn't yet have a raring pocket
[22:41] <yofel> (and won't have one for a while)
[22:42] <maco> extras is where stuff that's added post-release goes, right?
[22:42] <yofel> right
[22:42] <maco> you can ignore it, but if you comment it out, apt-get update will run a couple seconds faster. depends how much you care about those coupe seconds
[22:44] <yofel> if you have 404's then it won't auto-regenerate the cache, which at least breaks bash completion for apt-cache (sudo apt-get check would manually re-gen that)
[22:53] <shadeslayer> SteveRiley: #kde-telepathy, I'm on vacation, will only be checking in occasionally
[22:53] <yofel> Quintasan: libmygpo uploaded, it didn't use the pkg-kde-tools yet. 
[22:54] <SteveRiley> shadeslayer: ah yes, okie. enjoy.
[22:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: janitor still not online?
[22:54] <yofel> no, bug 1071562
[22:55] <shadeslayer> @_@
[22:55] <yofel> yeah
[22:56] <shadeslayer> can I just go ahead and upload kdevelop to raring?
[22:56] <shadeslayer> without any QA :p
[22:56] <yofel> just do it, if it fails it'll be stuck in -proposed, if not, it's worth testing
[22:56] <shadeslayer> cool
[22:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: you DID testbuild at least? ^^
[22:57] <shadeslayer> can't
[22:57] <shadeslayer> well
[22:57] <shadeslayer> okay, will test build
[22:57] <yofel> ah, hard without a local repo, true
[22:57] <shadeslayer> none of my servers have a raring pbuilder
[22:58] <shadeslayer> need to make one
[22:58] <yofel> you could use ninjas, we still have ~800M left
[22:58] <shadeslayer> mmm
[22:58] <yofel> or staging
[22:58]  * shadeslayer chucks into ninjas
[22:59] <shadeslayer> vim still doesn't recognize raring in the changelog
[22:59] <shadeslayer> :'(
[22:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: staging would be better
[22:59] <shadeslayer> okay
[22:59] <yofel> that has 7G left
[22:59] <shadeslayer> :D
[23:00] <yofel> if we had a proper delete button for PPA's we could make throw-away ones ^^
[23:00] <shadeslayer> true
[23:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: actually, vim in quantal-proposed has raring support
[23:01] <shadeslayer> I'm on precise :p
[23:01] <yofel> oh
[23:02] <yofel> rmadison is kinda slow these days...
[23:05] <shadeslayer> E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/raring
[23:05] <shadeslayer> \o/
[23:05] <yofel> oh yeah, that too ^^
[23:05] <yofel> just pull debootstrap from raring, should work :P
[23:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[23:06] <shadeslayer> but I'm not going to do it on this server, it's production
[23:06] <shadeslayer> best not to mess stuff on production ....
[23:06] <yofel> well, you can copy a quantal basetgz and upgrade it
[23:12] <shadeslayer> anyone on stock precise ?
[23:13] <shadeslayer> you'd think when you ask people to test fixes on bug reports they'd atleast report back with test results ....
[23:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: packages for raring uploaded to staging PPA for test builds
[23:17] <shadeslayer> if it goes fine, I'll upload to raring
[23:17] <yofel> \o/
[23:19] <shadeslayer> scumbag brain, gets stuck on one song for days at times