[01:56] <snap-l> Meeting in 4 minutes
[01:56] <jjesse> i'm here
[02:00] <snap-l> OK, let's get started
[02:00] <snap-l> I am developing something akin to JoDee's cold so if I'm incoherent, please let me know. :)
[02:01] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/369/detail/
[02:01] <jjesse> i just drove 6 hours
[02:01] <snap-l> ^ Agenda
[02:01] <jjesse> so i'm mostly incoherent as well
[02:01] <snap-l> We should be a great team then. :)
[02:02] <snap-l> Anyone else here?
[02:03] <snap-l> THere's only one agenda item on this agenda, but first I'd like to give a huge thank you to all of the folks who caem out to the release party
[02:03] <snap-l> We had an amazing amount of people out
[02:03] <snap-l> And we still had room at the Royal Oak Brewery.
[02:03] <jjesse> glad to hear
[02:03] <snap-l> I thanked them for pulling out the stops to keep us accomidated
[02:03] <snap-l> it got a little tight at times, but I'm glad it worked out.
[02:03] <jjesse> awesome
[02:04] <snap-l> Even with the bag pipes.
[02:04] <snap-l> ;)
[02:05] <jjesse> serious?
[02:05] <snap-l> So again, thank you all for showing up, ehter in person or in spirit.
[02:05] <snap-l> jjesse: Yeah, someone brought bag pipes for the U of M and MSU game
[02:05] <snap-l> and was playing every time U of M had a touchdown
[02:05] <snap-l> it was pretty surreal.
[02:05] <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/117777908934895049975/UbuntuMichigan1210ReleaseParty#5801594321910237410
[02:05] <jjesse> and how does hail to the victors sound in bag pipe/
[02:06] <snap-l> like 10 cats tied together and squeezed
[02:06] <snap-l> Actually, it wasn't too bad, but the guy needed practice
[02:07] <snap-l> I can't imagine he gets afforded many opportunities to practice. ;)
[02:10] <snap-l> Anywho, please let us know if there are any questions, comments, praise, or complaints about the release party
[02:10] <snap-l> either on list, or off-list, if preferered.
[02:10] <jjesse> so no rick_h_ or brousch either?
[02:11] <jjesse> just you and i?
[02:11] <snap-l> Yeah, they were busy with other engagements
[02:11] <snap-l> Oh, you mean now.
[02:11] <brousch> Doh, I am here
[02:11] <snap-l> Not sure
[02:11] <jjesse> yeah i meant now :)
[02:11] <snap-l> Heh
[02:11] <snap-l> I'm hoping to reign in jcastro_ and smoser
[02:12] <snap-l> since they're instrumental for the next one
[02:12] <snap-l> the next agenda bit, rather
[02:12] <snap-l> which is...
[02:13] <snap-l> What's New with Ubuntu 12.10 at MUG
[02:13] <jjesse> i saw an email about that i think
[02:13] <snap-l> As is customary, we will be hosting a presentation about What is New with Ubuntu 12.10
[02:14] <snap-l> I'm hoping to get some folks out to discuss this
[02:14] <snap-l> Thinking doing this "stone soup" style.
[02:15] <snap-l> ie: bring a machine, and folks can demo whatever they wish
[02:15] <jjesse> nice
[02:16] <snap-l> so it won't be a planned beginning to end presentation, because usually the good parts are what folks bring to the table
[02:17] <snap-l> Obviously, though, this needs some seeding. :)
[02:19] <snap-l> Any questions?
[02:19] <jjesse> nope
[02:19] <jjesse> i won't be there sorry
[02:19] <snap-l> Yeah, I figured. :)
[02:19] <jjesse> november has turned into a crazy travel month
[02:20] <jjesse> actually october and november
[02:20] <jjesse> after being home most of september
[02:20] <snap-l> Yeah, I think it's because folks realize they have budgets that need using
[02:20] <jjesse> yeah
[02:20] <jjesse> also a lot of stuff we started in jan-feb is finally happening
[02:21] <jjesse> long slow sales cycle this year :(
[02:21] <snap-l> Ugh
[02:24] <jjesse> good news is i got home in time for trick or treating this year w/ my son
[02:24] <jjesse> so that's all that mattered
[02:26] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[02:26] <snap-l> I know this halloween was about having my little niece over.
[02:26] <snap-l> Kids be damned. :)
[02:26] <snap-l> So, that's all I have.
[02:26] <jjesse> yeah my wife made a robot costume for my son and was soooo excited
[02:26] <jjesse> so i rushed to get home
[02:26] <snap-l> Anyone have anything else?
[02:27] <brousch> Yeah, we had vader and the emperor
[02:27] <jjesse> nice
[02:30] <snap-l> OK, thanks everyone for showing up!
[02:30] <snap-l> Hope you all have a great evening.
[02:30] <brousch> Oh, you mean anything related to ubuntu
[02:31] <snap-l> brousch: Hell, talk about anything. :)
[02:31] <jjesse> snap-l,  brousch you guys running virtuablox?
[02:31] <jjesse> rick_h_,  and i were talking last night that the upgrade to 12.10 broke NAT
[02:31] <snap-l> I am, but on 12.04
[02:31] <jjesse> just curoius if you had a solution
[02:31] <jjesse> the NAT adapter is gone post upgrade
[02:32] <snap-l> Wonder if it's the kernel module that needs fixing?
[02:32] <jjesse> no idea
[02:32] <jjesse> i posted on askubutnu.com but no updates or responses
[02:32] <jjesse> plus the upgrade broke DNS
[02:32] <jjesse> need to make manual changes to DNSMASQ.conf if i recall corectly
[02:32] <snap-l> Did you install dnsmasq?
[02:33] <snap-l> I know I installed it separately so I could use my dnsmasw config
[02:33] <snap-l> otherwise it installs this minimal POS
[02:33] <brousch> I have no problems on 10.04 or 12.04
[02:34] <jjesse> then don't upgrade to 12.10
[02:34] <brousch> I have no plans to do so
[02:37] <jjesse> snap-l, not quite sure if i install dnsmasq or not, but it was on my system
[02:37] <brousch> 12.04 is so good I can live with it for 2 years
[02:38] <jjesse> yeah i put Ubuntu (not kubuntu) 12.10 on my home laptop
[02:38] <jjesse> and not too happy with it
[02:38] <jjesse> when i use Chrome and try to use the Dash it blacks out my screen for each letter i type -- asked on askubuntu.com as well but no response
[02:45] <brousch> jjesse: Come back to the blue side
[02:45] <jjesse> brousch, i probablly will
[02:45] <jjesse> i just wanted to see what this whole ubuntu thing was like :)
[02:46] <jjesse> especially as i complained about this whole Amazon in the Dash stuff
[02:46] <brousch> It's OK, everyone experiments
[02:46] <jjesse> wanted to see what was going on
[02:48] <brousch> Virtual machine it d00d
[02:48] <jjesse> yeah i know
[02:49] <jjesse> but if install 12.10 w/ the blue headed step child variant i will still have issues w/ vbox
[02:49] <jjesse> so i will have to download the 12.04 version
[04:16] <jhansonxi> Who else will admit to blowing way to much $$$ on Linux game projects on Kickstarter?  This is my latest: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1857884659/distance-a-next-generation-arcade-racer
[12:01] <snap-l> I'm not sure I could get excited about a racer game, but more's the merrier. :)
[12:17] <brousch> damn, vagrant is the bizomb
[12:17] <brousch> It would make development on OSX tolerable
[12:22] <rick_h_> just...use...linux...
[12:22] <brousch> I do, but I'm just saying it would make it tolerable
[12:25] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/kennethreitz/status/265330390129074176 *sigh*
[12:25] <rick_h_> must not melt down...damn apple hippies are flodding my twitter with nonsense
[12:32] <snap-l> This goes against the gospel of Jobs 8:1 - And no, I shall not createth thine iPad mini, for it is an abomination for those with large stubby fingers. They shall have to file them down to move mine icons.
[12:33] <rick_h_> I mean, between it being non-retina, and all the hate these people gave android tablets for that, to the size...and boy did they rant on that...ugh
[12:39] <snap-l> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/python/pyjobo/~3/i1pjoEX0wt0/index.html <- Sign me up for this.
[12:43] <rick_h_> I'm confused...must know php...100% python what?
[12:47] <rick_h_> of course now brousch leaves when I've got stuff for him
[12:47] <rick_h_> figured he'd like http://rackerhacker.com/2012/11/04/log-android-events-remotely-to-a-syslog-server/
[13:03] <brousch> rick_h_: Heh
[13:03] <snap-l>  JoDee gave me her head cold
[13:03] <rick_h_> brousch: http://rackerhacker.com/2012/11/04/log-android-events-remotely-to-a-syslog-server/
[13:05] <brousch> cool
[13:59] <snap-l> God, I'm already sick of Guy Fawkes day on G+
[14:03] <jrwren> am i the only one that finds archive.org's tribute to /. creepy?
[14:03] <jrwren> brousch: what do you need vagrant for again?
[14:04] <brousch> Our Code for America project is a Localwiki
[14:04] <brousch> Runs very well on Ubuntu, but 3/4 of the people working on it run OSX
[14:04] <jrwren> python?
[14:05] <brousch> It needs Django, postgresql, postgis, and solr
[14:05] <jrwren> ah.
[14:05] <jrwren> and lucene becuase of solr?
[14:05] <brousch> It has a PPA, so it's really easy to setup on Ubuntu
[14:05] <brousch> django-solr I think
[14:06] <rick_h_> yea, luscene underlies solr
[14:06] <rick_h_> solr is just a restful front end to lucene
[14:06] <brousch> ah
[14:06] <jrwren> brousch: are you using homebrew on OSX?
[14:07] <brousch> Our biggest concern is the guy working on the new theme. He's not a programmer and uses OSX
[14:07] <brousch> No, we're using vagrant to avoid all of that nonsense
[14:07] <rick_h_> yea, setup a vagrant machine once, then you can send the image around and all share the same vbox setup
[14:07] <brousch> Exactly
[14:07] <rick_h_> it's cool for setting up dev baselines like that
[14:08] <brousch> And in the most current version of the project, the designer can work on the templates and static assets on OSX, but runs it on ubuntu in vagrant. The best of both worlds
[14:08] <brousch> And the design is in a github repo, so we can easily deploy it to the production server
[14:09] <brousch> It took me a while to understand how vagrant works, but now I think I've got it (for this project) and it is very cool
[14:10] <rick_h_> yea
[14:10] <rick_h_> there's definitely a 'vagrant' way you have to get through
[14:11] <jrwren> i actually hate dev baselines like that :)
[14:11] <brousch> It maps your project dir to /vagrant on the guest. Then symlink things where they need to be from there in the guest
[14:11] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, but a lot of devs will waste days getting the env 'setup' so I understand
[14:11] <jrwren> rick_h_: yeah, I hate that too.
[14:42] <rick_h_> just made my day https://twitter.com/AlTobey/status/263771862125928448
[14:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: snicker
[14:59]  * snap-l just went on a Twitter-following binge. Followed everyone rick_h_ follows.
[15:01] <snap-l> It's like following a G+ Circle. ;)
[15:06] <rick_h_> hah
[15:06] <rick_h_> I need to cut back
[15:06] <rick_h_> I hate it when I get over 150
[15:06] <snap-l> I'm at 613
[15:06] <snap-l> mostly authors and RPG folks.
[15:07] <snap-l> but tried culling the herd a bit so folks who post on G+ or Facebook get axed
[15:07] <snap-l> G+, I can read there
[15:07] <snap-l> and fb.me can fu.k.me
[15:11] <rick_h_> hah
[15:12] <jrwren> number doesn't matter as much as how often THEY tweet.
[15:12] <snap-l> jrwren: Trie dat
[15:12] <jrwren> I'd like to lower my stream rate, but I know and like everyone I follow.
[15:16] <rick_h_> well there went 15 people at least
[15:34]  * snap-l checks if rick_h_ is still following him
[15:37] <rick_h_> :P we'll always have irc
[15:37] <snap-l> hah
[15:37] <snap-l> until I get /ignore
[15:38] <rick_h_> naw, still on the list. Actually I wasn't following you for the longest time. I think it was because I had you on G+/idenitica and never followed on twitter
[15:41] <snap-l> (*sob*)
[15:41] <snap-l> Yeah, identi.ca is my main post point
[15:49] <rick_h_> jcastro_: ping
[15:59] <jcastro_> pong
[16:00] <rick_h_> jcastro_: pm
[16:01] <greg-g> what is this timezone change thing you speak of? Rowan doesn't read clocks, he reads the sun, so I'm still on DST (which I prefer between the two, especially in winter)
[16:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: :)
[16:03] <greg-g> rick_h_: so, guess who's the first on in the office today? :)
[16:04] <rick_h_> greg-g: love that quiet time before everyone else gets in
[16:04] <jrwren> we trained our daughter and prepared her for every time change. first at 6mo old, and every time after that. its called parenting :p
[16:05] <greg-g> jrwren: I reject your definition of parenting and substitute my own :P
[16:05] <rick_h_> heh, must have missed the DST chapter for what to expect :P
[16:06] <greg-g> and honestly, I kind of like this arrangment, especially in the winter (see above ;) )
[16:06] <rick_h_> shoot, I can't adjust myself right away.
[16:06] <brousch> I just go to bed at the new time and wake up fine
[16:09] <greg-g> brousch: my boy and I are too much of sun worshipers, when the sun goes down we get tired :)
[16:09] <brousch> You go outside too much
[16:10] <brousch> Stay indoors, close all the blinds all the time
[16:10] <rick_h_> greg-g: I'm with you man. So happy it's sunny before 9am now
[16:10] <rick_h_> once it's dark read a couple of books and head to bed
[16:11] <brousch> I watch half an hour of TV and I'm out
[16:11] <brousch> mindless drivel puts me right to sleep
[16:12] <rick_h_> that's my wife. She puts on 'background' tv to do her medical notes before bed each night
[16:12] <brousch> See, I put everything else away and just watch
[16:13] <brousch> If I am doing something that requires thought, then I won't fall asleep
[16:21] <greg-g> rick_h_: glad you kept typing there instead of just stopping with "that's my wife" ;)
[16:23] <greg-g> btw, this is an awesome one-liner for recursively copying files from one dir to another and writing over files/symlinks in place (which is normally not allowed with cp): tar cf - * | ( cd /destination/directory; tar xfp -)
[16:25] <jcastro_> fyi if you're voting tomorrow
[16:26] <jcastro_> Conyers Jr. supported SOPA
[16:27] <greg-g> :)
[16:28] <greg-g> Conyers is completely bought by the content industry. Always has been.
[16:28] <greg-g> As are many democrats, unfortunately (more so than republicans, it seems).
[16:31] <snap-l> greg-g: I don't know if rsync would do that as well (overwrite synlinks)
[16:32] <snap-l> Unfortunately I can't vote against Conyers in my precinct
[16:43] <rick_h_> I think jrwren can make a fortunte with the new youtube parenting class https://twitter.com/andrewschoen/status/265494237351641088
[17:17] <jrwren> what is this sun of which you speak :)
[17:18] <jrwren> greg-g: that tar pipe is OLD SCHOOL. you can save yourself the subshell with gtar by using -C
[17:19] <jrwren> and you are missing hidden files in the copy root
[17:19] <jrwren> tar cf - . | tar xfp - -C /dest/dir
[17:20] <jrwren> ...
[17:20] <jrwren> nearly all D and R are bought by someone. #rootstrikers. if you vote for a D or R you are saying that you like the broken system and that $$$ should influence politics.
[17:21] <greg-g> jrwren: well then... ;)
[17:22] <greg-g> jrwren: and re D and R bought by the system: totally right. I didn't want to get too political that early in the morniung
[17:22] <greg-g> brb call
[17:22] <jrwren> you and jcastro_ put it out there. I was just making conversation.
[17:22] <jrwren> Jill Stein got arrested again recently. that is my kind of president :)
[17:32] <CrusaderAD> Hey everyone, anyone have any experience with bios / uefi?
[17:36] <greg-g> jrwren: whoa again? I heard about the one from a week or so ago. (and yeah, that was my vote, since my CA vote doesn't matter)
[17:37] <greg-g> (doesn't matter for president, that is, might as well vote my conscience)
[17:40] <jrwren> same here.
[17:40] <jrwren> might have been teh one from a week ago or so.
[17:53] <snap-l> Isn't Jill Stein the green party?
[17:55] <jrwren> yes
[17:55] <jrwren> surely greg-g being green does not surprise you.
[18:01] <greg-g> :)
[18:11] <snap-l> Not terribly,
[18:25] <brousch> I thought they were too conservative for him
[18:34] <greg-g> brousch: you'll be happy to know I did do a search for "SF Socialist Party" when trying to find voting guides for our propositions ;) (they didn't exist, or come up quickly in search results, at least)
[18:35] <greg-g> or, "SF Socialist" is just a redundant search term :P
[18:35] <snap-l> Um yay?
[18:37] <rick_h_> excuse me while I go get my bottle of rum from the guest room https://twitter.com/kzhu91/status/265326865512820737
[18:38] <greg-g> snap-l: yay? I thought it was funny ;)
[18:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's been passing around for a while now
[18:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: I don't even make a pass at the Computer books in B&N anymore
[18:38] <rick_h_> snap-l: just ran across it on twitter
[18:38] <snap-l> they're a shell of their former selves.
[18:38] <rick_h_> but yea, the trend has been out there for a while
[18:38] <rick_h_> just wish they'd s/science//
[18:39]  * greg-g nods
[18:39] <snap-l> I think it's because more computer folks are either buying ebooks, or foregoing books altogehter
[18:39] <greg-g> it's not like they have "Culinary Arts" they have "cooking"
[18:39] <greg-g> (I think)
[18:39] <snap-l> greg-g: I think you're correct
[18:39] <snap-l> My favorite is the huge digital photography section
[18:40] <rick_h_> s/business/get rick quick schemes
[18:40] <rick_h_> get rich...doh
[18:40] <snap-l> it's like we went from computers to how to take good pics and share them online
[18:40] <rick_h_> damn mondays
[18:40]  * snap-l wants to get rick quick
[19:18] <jrwren> rick_h_: got any python and gdb tips other than the gdbinit on python wiki?
[19:19] <rick_h_> not really, I just have vim shortcuts for pdb and ipdb
[19:19] <rick_h_> and dump them where I need to stop
[19:19] <rick_h_> import pdb;pdb.set_trace()
[19:19] <rick_h_> or s/pdb/ipdb/g
[21:13]  * snap-l has changed his answering machine to answer in Spanish
[21:13] <snap-l> so if you call me, that's why
[21:14] <snap-l> seems to confuse the hell out of people
[21:29] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[21:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm more confused that you have an answering machine
[21:30] <brousch> It's hooked up to his 8-track player and sitting on his PDP-11
[21:30] <jrwren> is it a phonemate?
[21:31] <jrwren> does it store the messages on magnetic tape?
[21:31] <brousch> punch cards
[21:34] <jrwren> i've never seen a punch card answering machine. I'm not sure how one would work.
[21:36] <snap-l> Jesus, mention you have an answering machine, and the world thinks you have bell bottoms
[21:39] <brousch> snap-l: We know you wear breeches
[21:40] <snap-l> assless chaps
[21:40] <brousch> pics
[21:41] <snap-l> No.
[21:41] <Blazeix> i hear snap-l also uses altavista
[21:41] <snap-l> Blazeix: Dogpile, actually
[21:41] <Blazeix> ooh, nice
[21:45] <brousch> Did one of you east-siders just try to call me?
[21:45] <snap-l> No
[21:45] <snap-l> not I, actually
[21:45] <snap-l> brousch: PM the number
[21:52] <jrwren> answermate?
[21:56] <greg-g> webcrawler!