[05:19] hi there peeps. hope you all ready for another weeks saltmining [05:23] hi Kilos [05:23] ah you have some time inna shop [05:24] still running through the upgrade but the doanload is done [05:24] whew [05:26] i left it downloading yesterday, got in this morning and it was waiting for me to answer a question [05:27] lol [05:27] i wouldnt have been able to sleep [05:31] ahh well [05:31] had to go home the fish where here with me yesterday [05:32] go pm [05:33] not enough time in the day most of the time [05:34] yip thats the prob [05:38] magespawn, wbb [05:43] 44% 47 min remaining [05:43] thats not bad [05:44] what client you using [05:44] you on fone or pc? [05:44] quassel on this laptop [05:45] but that is the update for the shop pc [05:45] go pm magespawn [05:45] the one with no harddrive? [05:46] no that was a customers laptop [05:46] the one i am updating is the mani shop pc [05:46] what is pm? [05:46] private message [05:47] ahh right [05:47] sorry [05:47] hehe [06:02] hi Squirm [06:02] dont be late [06:04] i gonna try quassel here on unity and see if i get sound [06:04] wbb [06:08] oh ya only goes pling if i dont have the window open and get a message [06:12] morning Kilos === Kilos is now known as Kilosq [06:16] hi Squirm [06:32] Kilos just restarting on the upgrade [06:38] sounds good [06:38] good luck [06:39] should work [06:54] morning Kilosq, magespawn, Squirm [06:54] magespawn: what happened [06:54] Kilosq: what's with the q? [06:54] quassel [06:54] oh, quassel === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [07:14] updated and seems to be running fine [07:14] morning superfly [07:15] got to go an do some reading on how to set up a mysql database and lemonpos [07:16] good morning everyone and Kilosq [07:17] morning all [07:17] hi inetpro [07:17] * inetpro stretches his self and orders a cup of coffee [07:17] mornming SmilyBorg [07:17] Maaz: coffee on [07:17] * Maaz washes some mugs [07:17] word wakker, inetpro! [07:17] Maaz coffee please [07:17] magespawn: Yessir [07:17] ohi SmilyBorg [07:17] superfly: goeie more oom [07:17] hehe [07:17] inetpro: hoe gaan dit, oupa? [07:17] :-P [07:18] lol [07:18] magespawn: coffee please [07:18] lol [07:18] okay [07:18] julle pas mooi by tannie magtie [07:18] ai [07:21] Coffee's ready for inetpro and magespawn! [07:21] Maaz: dankie [07:21] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [07:22] Maaz botsnack [07:22] Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well [07:23] eish i didnt get coffee [07:23] magespawn: you sneaked in ahead of maaz [07:23] how can that be [07:24] double a is before ag [07:25] did you caps the m? [07:25] kind of geting used to kde [07:27] magespawn: you running KDE now? [07:27] on the shop pc yes Kubuntu 12.04 [07:27] just have to learn how to use mysql [07:30] magespawn: eh? what do you mean by that? [07:31] well i was using kubuntu on one of the internet cafe pc [07:31] did some research on pos software found lemonpos [07:31] ma tab [07:31] this apparently is written to run on kubuntu [07:31] need to maa tab on quassel looks like [07:32] and requires a mysql database [07:33] magespawn: you don't "learn MySQL" [07:33] you learn how to manage database servers, be it MySQL, PostgreSQL, or even SQLite [07:33] magespawn: looks pretty cool though [07:34] yes that [07:38] wife was feeling a bit rushed this morning so my sandwiches require some assemble [07:39] got half an avo, two packets of chilly salt, one packet of vinigar, four sclices of bread and a fork [07:41] vinegar [07:41] can make a nice meal of that mix [07:41] indeed does taste good [07:41] glad to see you dont spoil avo with pepper [07:42] prefer peri peri over chilly [07:48] there that other sauce you get [07:48] tobasco [07:49] i think [07:51] that be kiff [07:51] the jalapino Tabasco is awesome [07:53] bakuman: you also like hot stuff? [07:54] i agree that sauce is good [07:58] and Kerberoas well [07:58] there be hope for the geeky nation yet [07:59] \o/ [08:02] magespawn: I'm pretty sure you don't need to run KDE to run lemonpos. [08:04] * Kilosq greets confluency [08:04] Hello. [08:09] kde is quite lekker confluency [08:09] hi charlvn [08:09] hmm... [08:09] hi Kilosq [08:09] hi inetpro [08:09] did I see that correctly? [08:09] Maaz: coffee on [08:09] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:10] wb charlvn [08:10] only prob was the nm inetpro [08:10] but thats a 12.04 bug [08:11] Kilosq: good to hear that from you [08:11] still not as lekker as gnome2 though [08:12] :-( [08:12] Kilosq: I'm sure it is, but you don't need to change your desktop environment just to run an app. [08:12] lol [08:12] confluency: no it will run on others but does have kds dependancies [08:12] power gone. wbb later [08:12] be good [08:12] Yes, but you just need to have the libraries installed. [08:12] kds=kde [08:13] well i was upgrading the machine from win xp so that i would give kubuntu a try [08:13] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [08:14] working like a dream so far [08:15] Maaz: thanks [08:15] charlvn: Okay :-) [08:16] inetpro: btw, did you get that twitter thing sorted? i got some inspiration yesterday evening when i thought of something [08:17] charlvn: no, I never worked on it [08:18] inetpro: ok, i'm going to build something in java as a test (if i can), maybe then we can integrate it into ibid [08:18] i haven't played with ibid yet so i don't know it well [08:19] charlvn: file a bug at http://is.gd/bBbKb and help them sort it [08:35] oh god, heh, so, Im writing this paper to be submitted with the powerpoint presentation Im giving in Tanzania, and I figured, I'd write the content, and then format as per the paper submission rules afterwards [08:35] which was kinda stupid :P [08:36] are universities always so strict about paper submission formats (fonts, font sizes, paragraph breakdowns etc) [08:36] * Symmetria has never written an academic paper in his life [09:03] Symmetria, yes they are [09:08] luckily this is not a problem if you use Latex :D [09:10] good morning [09:10] has anyone here ever worked with image magick? [09:12] when I try and set the position of text, it seems to set the position from the middle of the line. so it's kind of hard to programatically set the text peosition when the length of the line isn't constant [09:20] * Squirm blames gravity [09:26] bakuman: tools like *tex help a lot but then you still need to have the content in the right "format" (not as in layout/formatting but as in the content itself) [09:26] the academics can get anal about small things :) [09:31] that is true [09:31] yeah [09:32] latex templates which are supplied by universities help a lot [09:35] yes, every university has its own format that it standardises on [09:35] there are some formats that are standardised by some large universities like stanford that others also use [09:35] my mom did a phd and i can promise you writing academical papers is not for me [09:52] heh Kerbero lol, all I got was an email with a bunch of crap telling me how this thing had to be formatted [09:53] thank god they didnt put any length limitation on the paper [09:53] because lol, they are going to discover this isn't exactly short [09:53] and your definition of "not short" ? [09:53] bakuman 20 to 30 pages [09:55] that is still short :D [09:56] bakuman lol, well, I dunno how long it will be once I format it in their bizarro formatting :P [09:56] at the moment its 20 pages in font size 10 without contents page, proper headings and everything else :p [09:57] heh the powerpoint was nice and easy to do, 30 slides, 2 hours work to put it together [09:57] the paper is proving to be a whore [10:03] lol [10:04] good way of putting it [10:04] research papers can be hundreds of pages [10:04] so 30 pages is very short :) [10:06] :P this isn't a research paper or a damn thesis, lol, its just a description of how we went about this project [10:06] :P and most research papers take months to write, I have 2 days to do this one haha [11:24] hi guys [11:44] hi Dell2000 === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [12:19] Symmetria: no ok that's somewhat different :) [12:19] strange they have formatting requirements though [12:19] that's not usual [14:45] whew days are long when there isnt any power [14:45] afternoon all [14:59] oh my, all quiet on the western front [14:59] hiya maiatoday [15:00] hi Kilos [15:05] magespawn: everything working there? [15:08] haha now you can also say i dont have those probs, i use kubuntu === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [15:39] hi Kilos, maiatoday [15:39] i have a thing that needs testing [15:39] lemme bring it in here [15:41] now lemme get a random twitter post [15:42] TwitterTest: https://twitter.com/ubuntuza/status/256730039134072833 [15:42] Tweet by ubuntu-za: Dont forget IRC #ubuntu-za monthly meeting all. Agenda to view and add items [15:42] this is what you want right? [15:42] TwitterTest: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/265472622807101440 [15:43] Tweet by Ubuntu: Don't miss tomorrow's webinar on Cloud Archive in #ubuntu1210. Register here: http://t.co/ve1vilDi [15:43] hmm, that was a little slow, but it worked [15:43] TwitterTest: https://twitter.com/planetubuntu/status/264856975316221952 [15:43] Tweet by Planet Ubuntu: Colin King: Counting code size with SLOCCount: David A. Wheeler's SLOCCount is a useful tool for counting lines ... http://t.co/YNTSDuEU [15:44] TwitterTest: https://twitter.com/inetpro/status/265179640400850944 [15:44] Tweet by inetpro: Bandwidth utilisation per application on ubuntu as done on Android would be so nice. http://t.co/OpIDlUoc [15:45] thoughts? [15:48] charlvn: hmm... [15:48] * inetpro will have to check later [15:48] inetpro: note, this is a piece of java code, i haven't integrated it into ibid yet [15:49] charlvn: sounds interesting [15:49] inetpro: it's just a proof of concept but it's a starting point :) [15:49] i'll post the code in a second [15:50] it uses the embed.ly api: http://embed.ly/docs/endpoints/1/oembed [15:51] hree's it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1335013/ [15:51] *here [15:52] it does some other stuff too, it's based on earlier code of mine [15:52] eeew you corrupting ibid [15:52] Kilos: how so? [15:52] with java [15:52] hehe [15:52] hi charlvn [15:53] lol [15:53] i would have to write it over in python if it would get used [15:53] the python peeps will set the snake on you [15:53] lol [15:53] good one [15:54] it is technically possible to load java classes directly into python if you use jython (a java python implementation) [15:54] what does it do? [15:54] but it's extremely slow [15:54] Kilos: all it does is it performs an api call to embed.ly and then gets the tweet content back from the embed.ly webservice wrapped in json [15:55] then i just pick the author name and the tweet content (in the description field) and respond back on irc using it [15:55] it's pretty simple but it works [15:55] and i avoid using the twitter api directly so i avoid having to deal with oauth [15:55] much better if i can keep it this way :) [15:55] but working through yet another third party api is not always a good idea either [15:55] so it's a bit of trade-off [15:57] is it a thing to see last tweet by so and so thingie [15:57] im slow today [15:57] slower than normal [15:58] got a head for sale if you interested [15:58] Kilos: oh no i haven't actually done the last tweet one yet [15:58] no thanks i'll pass :) [15:58] ok lemme do the last tweet one now [15:58] ibid actually has them functions in [15:59] just the owner kinda busy to fix it methinks [15:59] i thought it was broken though? [15:59] yeah [15:59] but "just for fun" projects like ibid do tend to suffer from that problem eventually [15:59] needs a twitter link changed or something [16:00] afaik it's because twitter requires oauth now for the particular api call [16:00] Maaz: is old [16:00] Kilos: Sorry... [16:00] i looked into it a long time ago [16:00] ya ya [16:00] a few weeks ago i mean [16:00] problem is, it's a very hard thing to fix [16:00] oh did you get ibid [16:00] not yet [16:00] need to make some time for it [16:00] whew it installs chop chop [16:01] i don't really know how launchpad works [16:01] and sets up easy [16:01] then the fun starts [16:01] can you "fork" a project, commit a patch to it, and then do a pull requst like on github? [16:01] sometimes it tells you im not your bitch [16:01] lol [16:02] with ibid? [16:02] yeah on launchpad [16:02] i see the ibid project is hosted there [16:02] you need to ask tumbles or the crash kid bout that kinda stuff [16:02] yeah i don't see a "fork" function here [16:03] ok [16:03] Maaz: help [16:03] Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. [16:03] Ask me "help me with ..." for more details. [16:04] Maaz: help me with software developement [16:04] Kilos: I use the following features for software development: base64, retest and rfc [16:04] Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. [16:05] there lots more. you need to actually play with one to see everything [16:28] TwitterTest: https://twitter.com/inetpro [16:28] inetpro: Have you ordered your Raspberry Pi yet? http://goo.gl/xMcEu [16:28] there we go [16:29] first post :) [16:29] one other thing [16:29] TwitterTest: https://twitter.com/inetpro/status/265487482571862016 [16:29] inetpro: Have you ordered your Raspberry Pi yet? http://t.co/zf5FypmF [16:29] that's neater (removed the "tweet by" [16:30] TwitterTest: https://twitter.com/linuxfoundation/status/265474827060670465 [16:30] The Linux Foundation: Interested in what Mark Shuttleworth had to say this morning at opening keynote? Designing for the future: http://t.co/cAYGhZBo #linuxcon [16:30] ok making progress [16:30] new code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1335114/ === SmilyBorg_h is now known as SmilyBorg [16:34] slightly cleaner version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1335121/ [16:34] i really need to comment this code :S [16:40] sjoe this quassel that doesnt bloep me [16:41] ah [16:42] you quite clever when you wanna be hey charlvn === SmilyBorg_h is now known as SmilyBorg [16:57] Kilos: i try not to be too clever but you know, sometimes it happens :P [16:57] lol [17:49] Kilos: wb [17:49] charlvn: where's the authentication? [17:53] ty inetpro [17:55] Kilos: hoekom het jy so baie krag onderbrekings? [17:56] hulle is besig om extra huise op plotte te bou en krag voorsiening is vir hulle te moeielik om te doen sonder om die hele gebied se krag af te sit [17:57] hulle kan ook baat met my epos addy [17:57] baad/baat?? [17:57] ai [17:57] Kilos: jy moet leer tweet [17:58] haha en dan? [17:59] Kilos: of stuur epos aan customercare@thswane.gov.za [17:59] Kilos: praat met hulle by https://twitter.com/CityTshwane [18:00] of miskien net n moevise battery kry vir die ups [18:00] moeviese=baie groot [18:01] Kilos: ek sien hulle het die volgende getweet vroeger vandag [18:01] #powerinterruption affected areas: Waltloo, Mamelodi, Pumulani and Pyramid. City technicians working to have the power restored asap. [18:01] https://twitter.com/CityTshwane/status/265422898574024705 [18:02] ons het trokke gesien werk aan die pale seker 3 k's hier vanaf [18:02] en "Pls take note of major #powerinterruption from Njala to Rooiwal due 2 fault @ Rooiwal switchyard. Affected areas incl Mooikloof,Wapadrand..." [18:02] het saam met sus gaam pos kry en paar kosse koop [18:03] gaam/gaan [18:04] hopelik kon hulle iets regmaak wat die krag meer stabiel gaan maak in jou area [18:04] ja hopelik [18:04] het jy gif gekry [18:04] het vandag loop en kyk hier. dubbeltjies bai [18:05] en alle ander onkruid ook [18:06] en die goeie goed soos marog het verminder [18:06] 12.04 is nog nie naby so goed soos 10.10 nie [18:08] klein dinge soos pidgin makk die twee vensters oop bo op mekaar elke keer [18:08] maak [18:09] dit wil die buddy list op die regte kant he maar ek nie [18:09] moet miskien canonical laat weet my epos addy is te koop [18:11] evening all of you that arent van der surname [18:11] soos van der swanepoel [18:11] kom van der ander swanepoel [18:12] * Kilos ducks from Squirm [18:32] Kilos-: nou wat nou? === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [18:33] xchat [18:33] quassel roep nie hard genoeg nie [18:35] ai [18:36] hehe [18:37] stefaans se hy net baie besig maar sal kom kuier wanneerr hy kan [18:51] Kilos: en as jy so stil is vanaand? [18:52] niemand gesels saam nie [18:52] naand tannie magtie [18:52] Ludo, never has anything to say [18:52] Kilos: jy moet net gesels dan sal die ander ook inspring [18:53] o [18:53] magespawn, you here or just the core thingie [18:54] yay! [18:54] I'm an uncle [18:54] yay [18:54] oh wait..... [18:54] now i feel old [18:54] then you feeling the wrong person [18:54] it is a matter of choice what age you feel [18:56] many old men feel really young but you need money for that [18:57] Kilos: I don't need money to feel young [18:57] oh you married young? [18:57] hehe [18:57] dirty old man [18:57] lol [18:59] i saw a blogging tool in kde yesterday but didnt get it working , will look at it again [18:59] sometime [19:08] inetpro: there is no authentication - i'm using embed.ly's api which doesn't seem to require it for low-volume requests [19:08] sorry for slow reply, i left work and biked home in the meantime :) [19:08] charlvn: nice [19:09] np [19:09] and went to the supermarket and cooked dinner and ate it :) [19:09] penny farthing [19:09] Kilos: no i drive a gazelle [19:09] lol [19:09] not the kind you have in africa, it's a make of bike [19:09] http://www.gazelle.nl/ [19:09] with engine [19:09] nope with pedals :) [19:09] * inetpro hopes that tumbleweed will see the POC [19:10] i wanted to get an electrical one but i probably need the exercise [19:10] eish you think we invented engines for fun [19:10] exercise is good! [19:10] or cocooncrash [19:10] otherwise you became a lazy fat person :) [19:10] lol [19:11] only over eating makes you fat [19:11] in NL the country is as flat as a pancake so biking around is easy [19:11] charlvn: that looks real nice and relatively easy to achieve [19:11] there were no fat peeps in concetration camps [19:11] but if you live in switzerland that's a whole different story ;) [19:11] Kilos: good point! [19:11] Kilos: although they don't look too healthy either... [19:11] hehe [19:11] inetpro: yeah well it's one option [19:11] there might be better ones even, i haven't looked at [19:12] so is this java thing an attachment for ibids [19:12] i assume it would have to be rewritten in python [19:12] but i haven't checked out the ibid code in depth though [19:12] (yet) [19:13] charlvn: I don't want to underestimate the effort you put in though [19:13] inetpro: it was no problem really, i did it in between other things :) [19:13] and i already had most of the code [19:13] charlvn: ibid has the logic already [19:14] charlvn, why not go offer the concept to the ibid guys [19:14] Maaz, ibid channel [19:14] irc://autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org [19:14] inetpro: yeah it should be simple enough to integrate [19:14] Maaz: i'll check out the code first and see if i can figure out how to get it in [19:14] charlvn: Got it [19:14] bah [19:15] i intended that for Kilos :) [19:15] or negotiate or whatever is the correct word nowadays [19:15] lol [19:15]