[00:00] <Chotaz> ActionParsnip, nvm my problem, seems to have vanished
[00:00] <paulschreiber> escott: it's showing wheezy/sid, which makes no sense
[00:00] <ActionParsnip> Chotaz: sweet, best kind of problem
[00:01] <escott> paulschreiber, well because thats evidently what your system looks like to os-prober (which makes sense as ubuntu is based on sid)
[00:01] <Aethelred> I'm attempting to upgrade from grub to grub2. I'm following the instructions here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Upgrading  ... and what I'm seeing has diverged from what the guide says. I'm not sure what to do next.
[00:01] <escott> paulschreiber, but something has gone wrong because it should be able to detect itself (even in a raid system)
[00:01] <paulschreiber> escott: my botched 12.10 upgrade must have done something bad
[00:02] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, do i point to tmpfs or .cache?
[00:02] <paulschreiber> escott: i had to boot in recovery mode, and can only boot with 3.2 (3.5 won't work in recovery mode)
[00:02] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: sigh
[00:02] <escott> paulschreiber, well 3.5 is a newer kernel so it might not like the hardware
[00:02] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: sudo mkdir /run/chromium; rm -r /home/ace/.cache/chromium
[00:02] <MarcN> hmm, hud-service and unity-panel-service procs seem to spike CPU when moving betweetn photos in f-spot -- does that make sense?!
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: then run:   ln -s /run/chromium /home/ace/.cache/chromium
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: sudo chown ace:ace /run/chromium
[00:04] <WeThePeople> actionparnsip, i have the tmpfs in ram setup do i need to undo this for these scripts to work?
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: in /etc/rc.local add the command to make the folder and chown it to your user above the 'exit 0' line
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: then change the folder and you ar egolden
[00:04] <meant0m> so i screwed up my ubuntu12.10 desktop.  i removed unity and compiz and now i can get unity installed again.  i get the following error message
[00:04] <meant0m> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[00:04] <meant0m> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[00:04] <meant0m> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[00:04] <meant0m> or been moved out of Incoming.
[00:04] <meant0m> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[00:04] <FloodBot1> meant0m: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:05] <NomadJim> I'm coming from debian. Is there much of a difference administrating an ubuntu server versus a debian one?
[00:05] <wyclif> escott: just tried running sudo do-release-upgrade, but it returns "an upgrade from jaunty to lucid is not supported by this tool"
[00:05] <escott> paulschreiber, afraid its a bit hard to guess what might be messed up following the installer crash
[00:05] <qmanjr5> Does anyone know of any online screen sharing software such as Join.me that works on Linux? Or software like ManyCam that works?
[00:06] <paulschreiber> escott: my packages are also messed up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333588/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333587/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333582/
[00:07] <meant0m> sorry, didnt mean to flood... ill use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:07] <escott> NomadJim, not particularly
[00:07] <escott> NomadJim, there are a few additional tools mostly related to non-free stuff (like proprietary drivers)
[00:08] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, is /run in 12.04?
[00:09] <escott> WeThePeople, i thought that was a 12.10 addition
[00:09] <paulschreiber> escott: i seem to have circular unmet dependencies
[00:09] <NomadJim> escott:  cool. The only thing I can think I've seen is that it's different to restart a service on ubuntu
[00:09] <WeThePeople> escott, idk
[00:09] <NomadJim> escott:  wasn't sure if there were a bunch of gotchas like that
[00:09] <escott> paulschreiber, so you either have to chase those down and somehow fix them... or just backup your files and do a clean install which is what i woudl do
[00:09] <blackshirt> paulschreiber, i think you was using ppa repo, was that right ?
[00:10] <meant0m> so i screwed up my ubuntu12.10 desktop.  i removed unity and compiz and now i can get unity installed again.  i get the following error message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333596/
[00:10] <escott> NomadJim, i dont do much with debian and im sure there are differences but most of the stuff on debian-administrators.org is pretty well applicable to ubuntu
[00:10] <paulschreiber> blackshirt: no, no ppa
[00:10] <escott> NomadJim, provided you know about things like upstart
[00:10] <escott> !upstart | NomadJim
[00:11] <blackshirt> paulschreiber, all of components have you activated ?
[00:11] <paulschreiber> blackshirt: pardon?
[00:12] <escott> wyclif, sorry im fresh out of ideas... i would probably just buy new hardware, dont know if thats an option for you
[00:12] <blackshirt> paulschreiber, main restricted multiverse and universe
[00:13] <NomadJim> escott:  thanks
[00:13] <paulschreiber> blackshirt: sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333604/
[00:15] <clutchhack> hey gusy
[00:15] <clutchhack> guys
[00:15] <clutchhack> how is everyone doing
[00:15] <meant0m> good thanks
[00:15] <clutchhack> what is everyone up to
[00:16] <escott> clutchhack, please take the chit chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:16] <qmanjr5> Is there a way to make a 'webcam' from my desktop?
[00:16] <meant0m> can anyone help me with getting unity back installed?
[00:17] <escott> qmanjr5, meaning what
[00:17] <clutchhack> escott, sorry new to this chat
[00:17] <escott> clutchhack, "/join #ubuntu-offtopic" and you can talk in there
[00:17] <meant0m> qmanjr5: have you checked out the application cheese from the software center
[00:18] <BluPhenix316> does ubuntu have a good alternative to Active Directory?
[00:19] <escott> !samba | BluPhenix316
[00:19] <escott> !ldap | BluPhenix316
[00:19] <BluPhenix316> so a combination of Samba and OpenLDAP?
[00:20] <bekks> BluPhenix316: Only OpenLDAP. Samba is the replacement for the file share part of Windows only.
[00:20] <escott> BluPhenix316, depends on what features you need from AD. AD is pretty broad set of features
[00:21] <BluPhenix316> i'm very new to all of this, i'm in school now for network administration, and I was having a dicussion with one of my teachers because they never mention linux and they told me the problem with linux is it doesn't have a good alternative to active directory
[00:21] <escott> BluPhenix316, samba4 (which is currently alpha) is meant to encompass all of AD in a single package
[00:21] <BluPhenix316> i don't know anything about this, so i'm trying to do my research
[00:22] <BluPhenix316> so OpenLDAP covers network log on and permissions?
[00:23] <qmanjr5> meant0m: Before I install this, are you sure this'll work from my desktop, or is it only for webcams?
[00:23] <qmanjr5> escott: A virtual webcam
[00:23] <escott> qmanjr5, a virtual webcam?? so this would be a camera that takes picture of virtual people in a virtual world?
[00:23] <loculinuxf> ello
[00:23] <loculinuxf> friens
[00:24] <escott> BluPhenix316, but openldap is to sync your usernames and passwords across different systems (combine that with nfs to sync the users home files and such)
[00:25] <qmanjr5> *sigh*
[00:25] <qmanjr5> escott: No. :P
[00:26] <meant0m> anyone know how to fix broken packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333634/
[00:27] <qmanjr5> escott: Similar to desktop sharing, but so I'm able to use it on websites such as TinyChat or uStream.
[00:27] <qmanjr5> Similar to ManyCam for Windows.
[00:27] <meant0m> qmanjr5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[00:27] <escott> qmanjr5, none of these programs mean anything to me
[00:28] <trism> meant0m: do you have quantal-proposed enabled?
[00:28] <BluPhenix316> oh wow from the Samba 4 information this looks exactly what I need to bring up, its only in release candidate phase though
[00:28] <OerHeks> !info webcamstudio
[00:29] <qmanjr5> OerHeks: I've tried webcamstudio, but the output doesn't work.
[00:29] <trism> meant0m: or rather, pastebin: apt-cache policy unity libunity-core-6.0-5 unity-services
[00:29] <escott> BluPhenix316, depends on if you need windows integration of a pure UNIX solution
[00:29] <meant0m> qmanjr5: I cant guarantee that it will work with your desktop but give it a try! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[00:29] <escott> BluPhenix316, for a pure UNIX environment ldap+NFS would be your best choice
[00:29] <meant0m> trism: thanks, will do that!
[00:30] <david> oh
[00:30] <david> i come
[00:30] <david> i come
[00:31] <Guest56752> dear
[00:31] <Guest56752> oh,my god
[00:32] <qmanjr5> meant0m: Cheese just gave this error: http://pastebin.com/mXzDtFYb
[00:32] <Guest56752> i am from china
[00:32] <escott> BluPhenix316, samba4 has been in development for a long time you could probably use it in a small environment without too much trouble. i wouldn't recommend it if you can get fired though, but if the biggest risk is your wife making you sleep on the couch...
[00:32] <meant0m> trism: here is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333657/
[00:33] <onazari> how to open .pfx in linux?
[00:33] <trism> meant0m: sudo apt-get install unity-services/quantal;
[00:33] <escott> onazari, what is a pfx
[00:33] <trism> meant0m: you have a leftover package from -proposed it seems
[00:33] <BluPhenix316> escott: nah this is just conversation to have with my teacher, i'm trying to promote more linux/bsd in my school, all our classes are windows and cisco
[00:34] <onazari> certificated file
[00:34] <escott> onazari, from what application?
[00:34] <Mayazcherquoi> Vote for Linux: http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/poll-additional-stretch-goals/
[00:34] <escott> onazari, perhaps gpg if this is a pgp file of some kind
[00:35] <BluPhenix316> my cisco teacher is also currently the program director of the networking technologies degree
[00:35] <onazari> i have a pdf file need key installation to open
[00:36] <[snake]> Can I make a script that opens multiple files in gedit tabs?
[00:36] <meant0m> trism: awesome! so that worked. it downgraded unity-services.  So should I now do: sudo apt-get install unity
[00:36] <[snake]> I should try just making one that opens some... and see, before asking.
[00:36] <trism> meant0m: yeah you should be able to now
[00:37] <onazari> this file is include this key http://www.chap.sch.ir/pdf/KeyInstallationGuide.pdf
[00:37] <BluPhenix316> man either ubuntu needs to rename unity, or unity game engine needs to rename their engine
[00:37] <escott> [snake], gedit file1 & gedit file2 & gedit file3
[00:37] <BluPhenix316> was just discussion game development with the unity engine and i looked here and see people installing unity, i had to think for a minute hehe
[00:37] <OerHeks> onazari, this is an old howto ( 2007) but still valid >> http://rackerhacker.com/2007/03/23/exporting-ssl-certificates-from-windows-to-linux/
[00:38] <Snowie> howdy all. Would like to play around with some game development. preferably simple 3d. syntensity is no longer developed, and octaforge is far to beta. Anyone recommend a well documented sandbox style environment to play around with??? cheers
[00:38] <[snake]> escott, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. for some reason I have a bad habit of coming on here and asking questions that are obvious :P
[00:38] <blackshirt> bluephoenix316, are you sure ?
[00:38] <[snake]> escott, (at least for me- if I thought about it for a second)
[00:39] <[snake]> escott, also shouldn't there be two & symbols or am I wrong?
[00:39] <BluPhenix316> blackshirt: sure about what?
[00:39] <escott> [snake], & and && have different meanings. the first says "run all these in the background" the second says "wait until the first completes and if successful run the next"
[00:39] <Linkandzelda> So I just downloaded all packages named "gtk3-*" was that a good thing to do?
[00:39] <blackshirt> bluephoenix316, game development relies on unity ?
[00:39] <OerHeks> BluPhenix316, Ubuntu is not going to change the name "unity" so what do you do now ?
[00:40] <meant0m> qmanjr5: checkout http://askubuntu.com/questions/110725/why-can-i-not-start-cheese
[00:40] <[snake]> escott, ahh. thanks!! I actually didn't know that :P
[00:40] <almoxarife> Linkandzelda: probably not
[00:40] <BluPhenix316> blackshirt, no there is a game engine, that runs on linux called Unity
[00:40] <escott> [snake], gui applications usually background themselves when they detect that they are running in shell so the behavior is much the same, but the semantics are different
[00:40] <BluPhenix316> its not ubuntu's desktop enviornment called unity
[00:40] <Linkandzelda> almoxarife: really? :/
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> BluPhenix316: unity is a shell
[00:41] <BluPhenix316> right, shell to gnome
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> BluPhenix316: gnome is the desktop for Ubuntu
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[00:41] <BluPhenix316> sorry, i need to be more specific ;-)
[00:41] <almoxarife> Linkandzelda: then again, you won't have to worry about missing anything gtk3 either
[00:41] <BluPhenix316> anyhoo, a lot of kickstarter games that are being made for linux are using the unity game engine
[00:42] <meant0m> trism: unity installed without error.  thank you so much, i researched this for hours.
[00:42] <Linkandzelda> almoxarife: that was my plan lol, lots of themes im trying for gtk3 and they seem to be broken
[00:42] <arty> Did you guy try ubuntu studio yet?
[00:42] <trism> meant0m: excellent
[00:42] <meant0m> trism: how do i set it up so that when i restart, unity loads up
[00:42] <BluPhenix316> speaking of which, unity is really growing on me, i definately like it a whole lot better than gnome-shell
[00:42] <OerHeks> arty, join #ubuntustudio
[00:43] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, see 10.04 in this page>>> http://goo.gl/nXr8h , i am in the process of editing chromium in 10.04 section of that page, what command do i use from http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333562/ , this is what the command is set to right now >>> /usr/bin/chromium-browser %U for the chromium launcher on my panel
[00:44] <trism> meant0m: it should remember your choice (if you have unity-greeter the cog in the corner next to your user name selects the session)
[00:45] <meant0m> trism: cool, im going to give it a shot!  hopefully i'll brb soon :D
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: I gave you the method already
[00:47] <almoxarife> WeThePeople: chromium='chromium-browser' process name/d
[00:49] <BluPhenix316> hey is cairo dock good? i usually use AWN, but apparently it isn't being developed anymore
[00:50] <WeThePeople> bluphenix316, yes
[00:50] <meant0m> trism: you rock. it worked
[00:51] <WeThePeople> almoxarife, is that the command for the launcher
[00:52] <trism> meant0m: happy to hear it
[00:52] <almoxarife> WeThePeople: launcher?
[00:52] <WeThePeople> almoxarife, what were you referring to
[00:53] <BluPhenix316> is the only way to view netflix in ubuntu, through a vm with windows on it?
[00:53] <paulschreiber> escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333684/
[00:54] <escott> BluPhenix316, yes
[00:54] <almoxarife> WeThePeople: chromium process/prog is 'chromium-browser' in ubuntu
[00:54] <BluPhenix316> bummer
[00:54] <escott> paulschreiber, yeah? is this after you removed 30_os-prober
[00:54] <Chotaz> How can I make sure that upon restart, my second HDD(NTFS) is mounted before a daemon (deluged) is ran?
[00:55] <paulschreiber> no. i just rebooted
[00:55] <paulschreiber> via recovery mode
[00:56] <Sean21_> Quick question folks, when it says to boot up with the live cd and then run a live session, does that meaan click "Try Ubuntu"?
[00:56] <escott> Chotaz, you can edit the upstart dependencies for deluged's upstart file
[00:56] <almoxarife> Chotaz: insure the partion is added/shown in the file 'fstab' , /etc/fstab
[00:56] <escott> paulschreiber, ok... not sure what that was meant to accomplish then
[00:56] <IdleOne> Sean21_: yes
[00:56] <Sean21_> Thanks
[00:57] <paulschreiber> escott: trying to see if i can get it to boot via the default choice "ubuntu", but that just hangs and complains that there's no /dev/shm
[00:57] <Chotaz> almoxarife, my problem is when I restart my computer and deluged starts scanning /media/user/MyBook for my torrents it wont find it and I have to manually recheck my torrents when this happens
[00:58] <Chotaz> escott, the upstart file I created was simply following a guide, I have no clue how to accomplish that, can you help me with it?
[00:58] <alecb> I'm trying to compile dmenu with xft support, and my makefile is complaining about: /usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: fatal error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory
[00:58] <alecb> apt-file tells me I have the packages with that file, though
[00:59] <puff> I'm working with a setup with four machines PXE booting ubuntu thin client off a central server (ubuntu 10.3.4 LTS I think).  The users just enter the username (e.g. terminal1, terminal2 etc) and no password. Occasionally somebody fumble-fingers and it brings up a gnome screen-saver, but of course there's no password, so they can't escape it.  Even rebooting the client machine doesn't unlock it.
[00:59] <[snake]> alecb, check if the file is there... if not. remove the include statement for it or anyything referencing it.
[01:00] <almoxarife> Chotaz: is /media/user shown in the file /etc/fstab ?
[01:00] <[snake]> puff, give the users passwords maybe. Though I'm not telling you how to run your servers just a suggestion.
[01:00] <paulschreiber> 12.10: the purple boot screen  "the disk drive for /dev/shm is not ready yet or not present"
[01:00] <paulschreiber> how do i fix that?
[01:00] <puff> How do I either a) figure out the passwords for the terminal, or b) lock out gnome screen saver somehow.?
[01:00] <[snake]> puff you could remove gnome screensaver
[01:00] <puff> [snake]: They're roughly equiv to cybercafe machines..
[01:00] <puff> [snake]: HM, good point.
[01:01] <escott> Chotaz, you'll have to read the upstart documentation, but the "start on BLAH" line in the /etc/init/deluged.conf dictates when deluged starts you need to ensure that that happens AFTER the required filesystem is mounted. perhaps by checking for the existence of a particular file you might put in the folder you will mount?
[01:01] <[snake]> puff, cybercafe machines should have passwords in my opinion as well. don't want stranger installing random warez on your linux.
[01:02] <[snake]> that is if I'm getting the cyber cafe term correct
[01:02] <superlou> Has anyone had luck setting up a video-on-demand streaming server on ubuntu?  I keep trying to get Red5 working, but have connection problems (even from localhost)
[01:02] <almoxarife> superlou: install xbmc , its fool proof
[01:02] <puff> Cool, removing the gnome-screensaver package seems to have removed lock screen from the menu.  Anybody know the keyboard shrotcut for lock screen?
[01:03] <[snake]> puff ctrl alt L
[01:03] <Tohuw> ctrl alt l
[01:03] <alecb> [snake]: oh, the file does exist. I guess the dmenu source is just referencing it wrong or something?
[01:03] <escott> puff, a reboot should clear everything off the system. i don't understand why a pxe boot would not come back clean
[01:03] <meant0m> superlou: xmbc for sure
[01:03] <superlou> almoxarife, that can do rtmp streaming (not sure if that's the right keyword).  Trying to embed it onto a website via JWPlayer or similar
[01:03] <[snake]> alecb, hmm... I'm not sure :(
[01:03] <puff> Cool.
[01:03] <superlou> almoxarife, meant0m, basically need to create my own vimeo (though significanlty simpler)
[01:04] <puff> escott: Yeah, except we dont' want to have to reboot all four machines when everybody's working.
[01:04] <almoxarife> superlou: not sure
[01:04] <puff> escott: Rebooting the thin client machine didn't reset the gnome session, AFAICT.
[01:04] <Chotaz> almoxarife, apparently not, only my system's and it's swap partition are there
[01:04] <escott> puff, im just wondering if something more fundamental is mis-configured. a reboot should be whipping everything off the system
[01:04] <escott> puff, is there some kind of filesystem that is mounted rw that shouldn't be?
[01:04] <almoxarife> Chotaz: is /media/user shown in the file /etc/mtab ? that's mtab
[01:05] <puff> Entirely possible... this thing already has a messed up network config, it doesn't get a connection on reboot, I have to login and do a sudo dhclient and then everything works fine.
[01:05] <puff> escott: Well it's a thin client setup... you undersatnd?
[01:05] <puff> escott: E.g. the client machien is rebooted, but all the client machine is really doing is displaying a user's gnome session that's actually running on the central server.
[01:05] <Chotaz> almoxarife, it is
[01:06] <meant0m> superlou: not sure, ill have to do some looking around.  whats the problem your having with Red5
[01:06] <puff> escott: So it makes a sort of sense that rebooting the client machine doesn't necessarily reboot the user's gnome session.
[01:06] <[snake]> tohtori_, escott I think he means the problem is the server serving broken gnome screensaver
[01:06] <[snake]> sorry tohtori_ Idk why you were there lol
[01:06] <almoxarife> Chotaz: using gedit in gksu mode, edit fstab to include the line you see in mtab showing '/media/user'
[01:06] <escott> puff, ok... but the users aren't real (AKA trusted) users which is why they dont have passwords and meaningful usernames --- right?? so if thats the case then everything they do should be discarded and their session restored from a blank image when they disconnect
[01:07] <meant0m> superlou: have you tried Theorur
[01:07] <Chotaz> almoxarife, do you mind telling me, that besides probably fixing my problem what are we achieving with this?
[01:07] <superlou> meant0m, got it installed via repository, and can see it at localhost:5080, but when I try to "install a ready-made application" (which seems to be an important step), I receive Error NetConnection.Connect.Failed.  Have been trawling the net trying to find a solution but no luck yet
[01:07] <almoxarife> Chotaz: sure, you are making that partion 'live' from boot time
[01:08] <escott> puff, in any case what you need to do is modify the default image to disable the gnome-screensaver by just uninstalling the application
[01:08] <puff> escott: Yeah, that's what it's set up as now, but that's not always the way thin clients are done.
[01:08] <puff>  
[01:08] <superlou> meant0m, hadn't heard about it, but i've got a requiremnet to do H.264 encoding
[01:08] <puff> escott: Cool, thanks, did that and it seems to be working okay.
[01:08] <escott> puff, my point is the config sounds off from a security setup. if i dont trust them to give them passwords i dont want to save anything from one boot to the next. i want them to be reimaged on every pxe boot
[01:08] <superlou> almoxarife, it looks like some folks used xbmc as rtmp source, but it looks more like a hack than a solution :)
[01:08] <[snake]> escott, I agree!
[01:09] <puff> escott: I get that, but I'm pretty sure the actual client machine *is* reimaged, but that doesn't mean the gnome user session is killed.  I'd prefer that happen too.
[01:09] <puff> escott: But this setup is only going to live a few more days, then it's going to be torn down, so I'll leave a note for the teardown admins and they can maybe fix that for the future :-).
[01:09] <puff> [snake], escott: mucho thanks for your help.
[01:09] <almoxarife> superlou: i have xbmc serving up via upnp, i watch it on a rooted kindle tablet, i am not sure how it would serve up with other protocol
[01:10] <[snake]> puff, no problem! :)
[01:10] <escott> puff, the way this probably works is thin client runs X server runs VNC client to connect to VNC server on real system
[01:10] <escott> puff, and the VNC server needs to trigger a gnome-session-logout when it sees the VNC client on the thinclient logout
[01:11] <Chotaz> almoxarife, just restarted the machine in question, everything is working now, thanks!
[01:11] <almoxarife> Chotaz: good :)
[01:11] <Linkandzelda> is there any way I can clone my current Ubuntu install onto another system?
[01:11] <Chotaz> ghost4linux
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: dd or rsync
[01:11] <[deXter]> Linkandzelda, clonezilla
[01:12] <almoxarife> Linkandzelda: you don't want to clone to another system unless they are identical
[01:12] <escott> !clone | Linkandzelda
[01:12] <Chotaz> !automate
[01:13] <meant0m> superlou: have you checked out -- http://flexion.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/my-first-struggle-with-red5-server/
[01:15] <superlou> meant0m, looking now.  All this makes me wary of red5.  I wonder if i'm going about this the wrong way.  Maybe I don't need a streaming server to get JWPlayer to play them.  Will try that really quick.
[01:15] <Chotaz> almoxarife, ActionParsnip and escott, thanks for the help, I've learned now not to mess with the purge command ^^
[01:16] <spaceneedle> Apport-gtk is using a high amount of cpu--according to Top.
[01:16] <Snowie> looks like platinum arts studio is the answer
[01:17] <[snake]> spaceneedle, which cpu do you have?
[01:17] <birdontophat> I'm having difficulty with persuading smplayer to use VDPAU and get the error "Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x31637661" when I run mplayer with -vo vdpau -vc ffmpeg12vdpau
[01:17] <birdontophat> anyone have an idea why that might happen?
[01:18] <Sean21_> Noob question, where is the "System-<Administration
[01:18] <spaceneedle> intel pentium dual core. Ubuntu 12.10--32 bit version.
[01:18] <Sean21_> System->Administration
[01:18] <[snake]> Sean21_, it's in the Applications menu on mine... which desktop are you using.
[01:18] <Sean21_> 12.10
[01:19] <[snake]> !who spaceneedle
[01:19] <[snake]> oops
[01:19] <[snake]> !who
[01:19] <idodeisuke> !who
[01:19] <idodeisuke> !who idodeisuke
[01:19] <Chotaz> !tab lol
[01:19] <idodeisuke> !tab roflmao
[01:20] <Sean21_> !who
[01:20] <Sean21_> !tab
[01:20] <[snake]> Sean21_, I assume that means you're using whatever came with ubuntu 12.10
[01:20] <Sean21_> correct
[01:20] <[snake]> I don't know about it... sorry. :(
[01:21] <[snake]> spaceneedle, It must be because your cpu is old.
[01:21] <[snake]> spaceneedle, but maybe it is unusually high cpu usage?
[01:21] <meant0m> Sean21_, what are you trying to do in system -- administration?
[01:21] <Sean21_> is usb-creator installed with ubuntu?
[01:21] <Snowie> for this error bash: /usr/bin/sandbox: Permission denied am i right that chmod +x should give me permission to run it the same as shell scripts?
[01:22] <spaceneedle> snake:my laptop is 4yrs old.
[01:22] <phillijw> anyone know hwo I can set up a samba share that is actually an external usb drive?
[01:22] <phillijw> I already tried setting up symlinks but it doesnt show the symlinks on the share from remote computers
[01:22] <Sean21_> usb creator, meant0m
[01:22] <superlou> meant0m, well, if i don't care about people snatching my videos and downloading them, i don't even need a bloody streaming server.  nice
[01:22] <[snake]> spaceneedle, it's ok. I'm not sure what apport-gtk is so maybe you can end it if you know what you're doing with killall gtk. but if you don't know about it I wouldn't just kill it like that.
[01:23] <escott> Snowie, anything in /usr/bin should be owned by root. if you manually install something it should NEVER be placed in /usr/bin use /usr/local/bin instead
[01:23] <[snake]> err... killall apport-gtk not gtk spaceneedle
[01:23] <almoxarife> Sean21_: should be, called something like 'startup disk' i believe
[01:23] <[snake]> of course I am the one to tell people to type my name out and it start with brackets haha.
[01:23] <Sean21_> It says to find in System->Administration
[01:23] <Sean21_> That I cant find
[01:23] <spaceneedle> snake:thanks!
[01:23] <DasEi> Sean21_: depends on your setup, but always can install usb-creator-gtk
[01:24] <escott> Snowie, its also possible that error is from inside /usr/bin/sandbox (ie sandbox is running and then tries to do something and gets the permission error)
[01:24] <Snowie> it was the default installer for the app. it said it would install in /usr/share/local/games. but the command $ sandbox gives me that error
[01:24] <[snake]> apparently spaceneedle just wanted to quit the program... he should have said so. :P
[01:24] <almoxarife> Sean21_: hit alt-f2 , type in 'startup'
[01:24] <Snowie> perhaps. tested with sudo and command not found error. not really keen to run it as root, or change my path
[01:24] <abdelazizpc> salam alikom
[01:25] <meant0m> Sean21_, click on the unity icon up at the top left and type in Startup Disk Creator
[01:25] <[snake]> abdelazizpc, arabic?
[01:25] <hetRidler> hi
[01:25] <hetRidler> how do i make my .wav files into an audio cd
[01:25] <Snowie> hmm, any suggestions to hunt down what might be going wrong?
[01:25] <paulschreiber> escott: root@green:~# sudo update-initramfs -k all -u
[01:25] <paulschreiber> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-32-generic
[01:25] <paulschreiber> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-11-generic
[01:25] <paulschreiber> grep: /boot/config-2.6.27-11-generic: No such file or directory
[01:25] <Sean21_> hmmm
[01:25] <drenyx> me
[01:25] <Sean21_> That wont work with a usb drive
[01:26] <meant0m> superlou, lol!
[01:26] <paulschreiber> escott: i certainly don't have 2.6.27 anywhere
[01:26] <[snake]> paulschreiber, Please use pastebin next time if you can. :)
[01:26] <escott> paulschreiber, you could purge it with dpkg
[01:26] <meant0m> Sean21_, what are you trying to do?
[01:26] <paulschreiber> escott: dpkg -l |grep 2.6.27 returns nothing
[01:26] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: do you have synaptic package manager?
[01:26] <caffeinegum> hetRidler, Winff?
[01:27] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: pretty sure no. what's that?
[01:27] <Sean21_> I need to run boot-repair
[01:27] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: gui for deb management
[01:27] <[snake]> caffeinegum, I think winff is just a gui for ffmpeg which converts media.
[01:27] <[snake]> maybe brasero for burining ausio cds
[01:27] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i'm sshd in to a headless box.
[01:27] <[snake]> lol burining :P
[01:27] <escott> paulschreiber, try dpkg -l "*linux*"
[01:28] <Snowie> my bad all. turns out the package i want is in the repo's anyway. will install from there and test
[01:28] <DasEi> Sean21_:grub ?
[01:28] <DasEi> !grub
[01:28] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: which kernel is the one you want to toss?
[01:28] <Sean21_> Yes
[01:28] <paulschreiber> escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333727/
[01:28] <Sean21_> I installed ubuntu after windows
[01:28] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i have 3.2 and 3.5 installed
[01:29] <Sean21_> But for whatever reason when I finished installing ubuntu and restarted the computer, windows 7 booted up and no grub menu was there
[01:29] <DasEi> Sean21_: follow first link, use a live cd or grub-recuecd cd
[01:29] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i am booted in to 3.2
[01:29] <meant0m> Sean21_, have you checked out -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:29] <DasEi> Sean21_: ask if unsure
[01:29] <escott> paulschreiber, if dpkg no longer things they are installed i guess you could just rm them. its not like your system isn't already pretty well borked
[01:29] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i have no idea where it's finding 2.6 anything
[01:29] <paulschreiber> escott: where? they're not in /boot
[01:29] <luffy> ledah?
[01:29] <Sean21_> ok
[01:29] <midnightcoffee> Say i'm inside vim is there a command i can run to maximize my terminal to my entire screen and then maybe reverse it back to how it was...
[01:30] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: run 'update-grub'
[01:30] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333734/
[01:31] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, please be a little more specific. hitting the maximize button will maximize the terminal.
[01:31] <escott> paulschreiber, why not just reinstall
[01:31] <paulschreiber> escott: how? i don't have physical access to the machine
[01:31] <escott> paulschreiber, without knowing where the upgrade went south there is no telling what else you might end up having to fix
[01:31] <midnightcoffee> snake, is there a key i press rather then moving my mouse to hit the button
[01:31] <DasEi> Sean21_: just put the nick you want to talk to, so your message gets highlighte on the other side when replying
[01:31] <DasEi> d*
[01:32] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: so you are good with the 3.5 , booted into it already?
[01:32] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: no, booted into 3.2
[01:32] <Linkandzelda> can somone tell me why all 16gb of my ram gets compeltly cached after 2-3 hours of use?
[01:32] <luffy> oh
[01:33] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: reboot into the 3.5 if that's the one you want to be in, then again via ssh you are at the mercy of things working out
[01:33] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, I just tried all of the alt+fx keys. so I don't think there is one :/
[01:33] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, besides alt f4 thats bad
[01:33] <escott> Linkandzelda, because you paid for it
[01:34] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i'm unable to get 3.5 to boot
[01:34] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, this would be a perfect question for google! since it's not really a problem :P
[01:34] <escott> Linkandzelda, if you spent money to buy the ram, and you spend money to power the ram, wouldnt it make sense for the kernel to use the ram
[01:34] <thomrenault> hey I need help getting permission to read and write on my external hdd
[01:34] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, no offense it's just lazy. unless you're missing a mouse. in that case sorry.
[01:34] <escott> thomrenault, can you paste.ubuntu.com the output of "mount" on the terminal'
[01:34] <Linkandzelda> escott: yea, that makes sense. but crashing and errors of being out of kernel memory dont make sense
[01:35] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: when you boot back with 3.2 , does/did it retain the boot.log from the 3.5?
[01:35] <escott> Linkandzelda, then that would suggest some kind of memory leak
[01:35] <Linkandzelda> escott: I bet its from chromium
[01:35] <ActionParsnip> midnightcoffee: what client are you using?
[01:36] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i haven't booted in to 3.5 afaik. where's the boot log?
[01:36] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: /var/log/boot?????.log ?
[01:36] <escott> Linkandzelda, the kernel should be pretty protective of its own memory, a userspace application should not cause the kernel to run out of memory. i thought you were saying that after a few hours the free memory in "free -m" was zero because it was all in the cached line which is actually a good desirable behavior
[01:37] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333743/
[01:37] <thomrenault> .... /dev/sdb1 on /media/Odysseus type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other ,default_permissions, blksize=4096)
[01:37] <escott> Linkandzelda, if you get a kernel oops b/c the kernel is out of memory (and not an out of memory application kill) after a few hours then its likely a driver issue
[01:37] <midnightcoffee> AcctionParsnip, i'm afraid i don't understand. The window maximize thing is something i need most often when codeing in vim through the terminal.
[01:37] <Linkandzelda> escott: well, I ran htop, and the bar was compeltly full, but 75% of it was yellow to indicate cache
[01:37] <thomrenault> I'm not having issues writing on the ubuntu computer, but when I move the drive (which I just formatted) to OSx
[01:38] <escott> thomrenault, so thats a fuseblk meaning its probably an NTFS folder. the person logged into the system should have read/write access
[01:38] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, which terminal is it? what desktop environment are you in. "be more specific please"
[01:38] <escott> thomrenault, but if two people are logged in then the second might not get access
[01:38] <Linkandzelda> and i only got a kernel out of memory error when compiz crashed and I lost window borders and did alt + super + f1 to open a terminal, thats where it said kernel out of memory
[01:38] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: i can't what kernel that was being used, i would assume the current one that was used to generate the 'cat'
[01:38] <escott> Linkandzelda, all that yellow is good and nothing to worry about. think of yellow as being just as good as free ram
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> midnightcoffee: cccsm can do that stuff as far as I know (assuming you use compiz)
[01:39] <escott> Linkandzelda, is it saying kernel out of memory or is the kernel saying that it is in an out-of-memory condition and triggering the OOM killer (subtle difference)
[01:39] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: i guess what is more important is why do you need kernel 3.5?
[01:40] <Linkandzelda> escott: no idea, i didnt take full note of the messages as i just rebooted
[01:40] <Linkandzelda> note that I did have virtual box running as well, maybe that was a problem
[01:40] <Linkandzelda> it seems to like 160% of my cpu
[01:41] <thomrenault> escott there is only one user logged in on the ubuntu, and one logged in on the mac?  The issue is that I don't have permission to write on the drive when I move it over to the mac.  I just formatted it on Ubuntu, and OSx disk utility isn't letting me 'repair permissions' (according to one log I was reading a moment ago, OSx only repairs permissions for the OS mounted drive)
[01:41] <escott> Linkandzelda, when a userspace application uses up all the ram and the swap (because it is leaking memory) the kernel notices this and runs something called the OOM killer which tries to identify the leaky application and kill it. this should not trigger a need to reboot unless it picks badly (and kills something you need like compiz)
[01:41] <escott> Linkandzelda, if the kernel were to run out of memory that would be a different and bigger problem (its probably the first which means that compiz is leaking memory)
[01:42] <escott> thomrenault, how is the disk formated?
[01:42] <thomrenault> ntfs
[01:42] <thomrenault> escott ntfs
[01:42] <escott> thomrenault, then thats an OSX issue. NTFS doesn't do POSIX permissions
[01:42] <Linkandzelda> escott: I see, well I can either wait for it to happen (or not) again, or try and find out what it is further lol
[01:43] <escott> thomrenault, although formatting on ubuntu and making it an NTFS disk is an odd choice
[01:43] <hetRidler> how do i burn an audio cd with ubuntu
[01:43] <thomrenault> escott I'm trying to get the hdd (my media disk) to work with my logitech revue, which wasn't taking exfat
[01:44] <escott> Linkandzelda, if compiz is leaking ram and gets itself killed you can CTRL-ALT-F1 then login, then "export DISPLAY=:0; compiz --replace &"
[01:44] <almoxarife> i am not normally awed by utils but i am with 'redshift' , who would of thought someone came up with it, its great on a lappy
[01:44] <Linkandzelda> escott: sounds like a plan, and how do I get out of that alt+ctrl+f1 state?
[01:44] <escott> Linkandzelda, ctrl-alt-f7
[01:44] <Sean21_> ok
[01:45] <Linkandzelda> escott: awesome, then i'll wait for it to happen again and do that
[01:45] <Linkandzelda> escott: another thing, do you know much about networks?
[01:45] <escott> Linkandzelda, depends on how much much is
[01:46] <Linkandzelda> escott: this much http://uppix.net/8/f/5/80e7d396f16f297d50a20e0701319.png my network seems to not be able to keep a solid downspeed
[01:46] <thomrenault> escott does ext2 have a file limit size?
[01:46] <escott> Linkandzelda, bufferbloat?
[01:46] <hetRidler> how do i burn an audio cd with ubuntu
[01:47] <hetRidler> how does ubuntu burn audio cds
[01:47] <hetRidler> shouldh i olok it up
[01:47] <meant0m> almoxarife, i agree redshift is awesome
[01:47] <Linkandzelda> escott: no idea lol, i just noticed slow torrent/download speeds and checked the usage and spotted it up and down
[01:47] <escott> thomrenault, yes but exactly what it is depends on how exactly the partition is formatted (it can be optimized for larger files or smaller files which will affect maximum file size) in either case it shouldn't matter unless you are dealing with very large files
[01:48] <escott> Linkandzelda, the answer is an overly large TCP buffer somewhere
[01:48] <Linkandzelda> escott: hmm, and how can I solve such a thing?
[01:48] <thomrenault> escott, I was hitting the upper limit of fat16, with Bluray rips, I'm trying to move three files about 7 gb each onto the drive.
[01:48] <[snake]> hetRidler, use brasero perhaps
[01:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, could be your computer, your router, your cable modem, your ISPs routers, someone even further upstream of you
[01:49] <escott> thomrenault, 7GB should be fine
[01:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, http://www.bufferbloat.net/
[01:49] <Linkandzelda> escott: and what if it only happens while im on ubuntu?
[01:50] <escott> Linkandzelda, there are multiple buffers in the ubuntu network stack. you can disable some of those with ifconfig i think. so check the bufferbloat.net for tutorials on how
[01:50] <Linkandzelda> escott: thanks, i'll look into that then
[01:50] <escott> Linkandzelda, ifconfig wlan0 txqueuelen 0
[01:51] <escott> Linkandzelda, see other stuff in http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Experiment-Fun_with_wireless
[01:52] <Linkandzelda> escott: cool
[02:01] <chroot__> hi, is anyone who can use sox
[02:03] <ActionParsnip> chroot__: put em on your feet ?
[02:03] <chroot__> en
[02:03] <OerHeks> sox = sound exchange, a conderter, ActionParsnip
[02:04] <OerHeks> *converter
[02:04] <Linkandzelda> escott: its already happened, ram is fully cache once more lol. now for the inevitable crash
[02:04] <chroot__> ActionParsnip: i want to use sox, recording when i say the words
[02:04] <escott> Linkandzelda, what does free -m say?
[02:04] <chroot__> ActionParsnip: and if i don't say, it is loops
[02:04] <chroot__> how
[02:05] <escott> Linkandzelda, and how much memory is the most memory intensive application using in "top"
[02:06] <Linkandzelda> escott: this is the output of free -m http://uppix.net/3/c/b/fafe904e323a9af4b344bcd02a839.png
[02:06] <Linkandzelda> escott: and this is top http://uppix.net/1/4/4/3cb96cb98753685da30c59f4dc068.png
[02:07] <escott> Linkandzelda, "M" will sort top by memory usage
[02:07] <Linkandzelda> escott: its still virtual box using the most, followed by dropbox with 0.8
[02:08] <Linkandzelda> then Xorg, rhythombox, chromium
[02:08] <escott> Linkandzelda, sounds fine. the kernel is just caching files that applications previously requested by no longer need
[02:08] <escott> Linkandzelda, so you play an mp3 and it reads it, and keeps the file in memory in case you play it again
[02:09] <Linkandzelda> escott: i see, hopefully it wont crash again
[02:09] <black_son> hi all ya
[02:10] <escott> Linkandzelda, if an application were leaking memory then it would show up as 90% of ram in top and free would have close to zero on the cached line because the kernel thinks the leaky application needs the memory it requested because the app forgot to tell the kernel it no longer needs that memory
[02:11] <Linkandzelda> escott: garbage collecting automatic, or attempted automatic. i can see how it would casue trouble if it picked the wrong app
[02:12] <escott> Linkandzelda, eventually the kernel will give away all the memory on the system so some request will have to fail at which point the kernel triggers the OOM killer to decide which application is the most likely culprit
[02:13] <qmanjr5> Has anyone got Facebook's video chat to work on Ubuntu?
[02:13] <escott> Linkandzelda, so you could think of the OOM killer as the garbage collector for poorly written applications
[02:13] <Cancy> are there some chinese?
[02:13] <Linkandzelda> escott: sweet, then i'll keep that in mind when im coding for linux, if that ever happens lol
[02:13] <escott> Cancy, billions of them :)
[02:13] <escott> !cn | Cancy
[02:14] <escott> Linkandzelda, its rather unpleasant. you can trigger it pretty easily to see how it operates. write a C program that in a continuous look mallocs a small amount of ram
[02:15] <Linkandzelda> escott: I did that on a windows machine before, and it locked up lol
[02:16] <rangergord> Hi. I would like an alternative to the terminal, which lets me search the buffer. I'm SSHing to a system and running a continuous task. I would like to be able to search for certain strings and locate them in the scrollback. I know you can pipe terminal output to files but that's way too much effort for the functionality I want :)
[02:16] <escott> Linkandzelda, #include "stdlib.h" int main(){ while(1){ malloc(sizeof(char)*32); }}   The system will go unresponsive for a few seconds then the OOM kicks in and kills your app
[02:16] <escott> rangergord, maybe screen?
[02:16] <Linkandzelda> escott: hehe, then I'll give it a go when I get an IDE up and running on here
[02:16] <jrib> rangergord: use screen or tmux.  Also, a lot of terminals will let you search
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> rangergord: pipe it to less
[02:16] <confab> does anyone have a foolproof link to getting flash to work on 12.10 with chromium, or firefox for that matter?  I've tried and failed miserably
[02:17] <escott> Linkandzelda, IDE you don't need no stinking ide. put that in a text file and gcc filename.c; ./a.out
[02:17] <Cancy> I want learn English,but the topic you talked is so profession＠_＠
[02:17] <ActionParsnip> confab: what arch are you using?
[02:17] <Steelcased_Judo> Hello folks I messed up my HDD partitions and MBRs completely while installing Ubuntu. I am now trying to install Windows on a hard drive without an OS from a USB stick with Ubuntu Live on it. The issue is that when I try to boot into the windows install the current MBR does not recognize the Windows install as a viable kernel. I've been told that I need to reinstall GRUB from the live...
[02:17] <qmanjr5> Has anyone got Facebook's video chat to work on Ubuntu?
[02:17] <Steelcased_Judo> ...Ubuntu. What does that mean?
[02:17] <Steelcased_Judo> And can anyone help me do it?
[02:17] <rangergord> jrib: can you name one of those "a lot" terminals?
[02:17] <jrib> rangergord: rxvt-unicode is one
[02:17] <confab> ActionParsnip, i386
[02:17] <rangergord> I'd rather a GUI menu based solution, if not I'll fall back to screen as suggested (googlign shows it lets you do it)
[02:17] <confab> or 686
[02:17] <rangergord> thanks
[02:17] <confab> whatever the 32-bit one is
[02:18] <Linkandzelda> escott: I'm an IDE person, used to using things like Xcode, do you agree that IDE's speed up development? is that just me o-o
[02:18] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, when you install windows it should install the windows bootloader. so if windows i booting then you can install ubuntu
[02:18] <Sean21_> "The easiest way to use Boot-Repair is to burn one of the following disks and boot on it. " , when they say that, do they mean insert the cd and restart the computer and boom from it?
[02:18] <ActionParsnip> confab: if you remove all flash packages, enable the partner repo and install adobe-flashplugin it should be ok
[02:18] <escott> Linkandzelda, just saying this is a 2-liner. use what you like
[02:18] <Linkandzelda> escott: fair lol
[02:18] <confab> ActionParsnip, cool, let me try that thanks
[02:18] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - I can't install Windows. That is the thing.
[02:19] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, so what happens when you try to boot the windows install cd?
[02:19] <Linkandzelda> escott: I'll wait for a file process to finish first, just in case
[02:19] <escott> Sean21_, yes
[02:19] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - I get a command line screen that says that the SysLinux Insane MBR Partition does not recognize the kernel.
[02:19] <jrib> rangergord: gnome-terminal seems to let you search too...
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> confab: or if all else fails, grab the archive from adobe.com and put libflashplugin.so in /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> confab: or remove all flash packages and install chrome :)
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> confab: remember to use --purge when you remove
[02:20] <escott> Linkandzelda, its certainly not pleasant there is about 20 seconds of "what just happened" as the system goes unresponsive and everything gets kicked out of swap... and there is the risk that the OOM killer could go stupid and nuke an important process
[02:21] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, is your bios configured to boot the cd first?
[02:21] <Steelcased_Judo> Yes.
[02:21] <DasEi> Sean21_: I'm mostly using a usb-thumb for it to save a disc
[02:21] <zivester> anyone with (x)ubuntu 12.10 and having intermittent startup issues where X doesnt load?.. sometimes with a plymouth error
[02:21] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, sounds like your windows install cd is no good
[02:21] <Steelcased_Judo> And now Ubuntu Live won't let me connect to the wireless network anymore.
[02:21] <Steelcased_Judo> Arghhhhhh.
[02:22] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, the windows install cd if it is booting first should prevent the on hard disk mbr from running
[02:22] <Linkandzelda> escott: then maybe it's best to save this one for later
[02:22] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - Ah, that makes sense.
[02:22] <qmanjr5> Has anyone gotten Facebook's video chat to work on Ubuntu?
[02:22] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - I did torrent it. It is Windows Starter.
[02:23] <Steelcased_Judo> Thank you.
[02:23] <lxckdxy> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻G̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢Ŏ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕͏҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:24] <confab> ActionParsnip, puttig the libflashplugin.so into /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins didn't work, chrome is installed and it doesnt work for flash
[02:24] <ydhvz> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻G̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢Ŏ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕͏҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:24] <ibfvxwj> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻G̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢iŎ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕͏҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:24] <hoehtuo> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻iG̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢iŎ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕͏҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:25] <ActionParsnip> confab: chrome has it's own flash  so doesn't need any flash packages
[02:26] <confab> ActionParsnip, right, it still doesnt display flash for me
[02:26] <Linkandzelda> just imported the last 3 years worth of photos into Shotwell, very reminiscing to see them all previewed as imported
[02:26] <PRabyte> hello, quick questions/discussions about deb package creation. would someone like to enlightening me a little bit. some good links, maybe get me going in right direction? i have folders with programs from A. tar, or B. rpm source code, already install, no tars or rpms around to reference, they are manufacture/vendor installed, i need to package them up, maybe with dpkg -b, and such, any suggestions would be great. thanks :)
[02:27] <yeats> !packaging | PRabyte
[02:28] <PRabyte> yeats:  thanks
[02:29] <meant0m> qmanjr5, I havent tried it
[02:32] <PRabyte> got a lot of read to do, thanks, l8
[02:35] <confab> ActionParsnip, i dunno, i tried purging, enabling partner, and installing adobe-flashplayer, it's still borked.  I think i'm going to just give up.  Thanks for trying to help though
[02:35] <Linkandzelda> escott: ive always wondered this but, whenever the ram is cached performance is really slow. maybe my hdd is dead
[02:38] <cloudrf> anyone home today
[02:38] <escott> Linkandzelda, not sure what that means "when RAM is cached" you mean when the kernel starts using your swap partition? yes hard disks are slower than RAM so using swap is slower. as memory pressure grows the kernel first discards pages that have been written to disk but are kept in RAM (ie you just wrote this file and it has hit the disk but the kernel keeps a copy in RAM as well), then it starts pushing stuff to disk that isn't backed
[02:38] <escott>  by disk (ie process memory) that hasn't been used in a while. When it does that second step things slow down, especially if you try to alt-tab to the process which just got pushed out to swap
[02:38] <home> cloudrf, me
[02:38] <cloudrf> lol
[02:38] <cloudrf> nice one
[02:38] <home> np
[02:38] <mathfreak> Hello everyone. What is the difference between a Window theme, Icon theme, and GTK+ theme?
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> confab: if you can pastebin the output of: lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[02:39] <mathfreak> The biggest stump to me is the GTK+ theme.
[02:39] <Linkandzelda> escott: yea, hmm, is there a way to stop it caching it all?
[02:39] <cloudrf> anyone willing to join in on a cross rpm/deb project?
[02:39] <escott> Linkandzelda, its called a "swap storm" because every time you alt-tab the kernel has to play catchup putting the program you were just using into swap and taking the one you want to be using and putting it back into RAM, and by the time that is done it is ready to process the next alt-tab (because you pressed alt-tab 15 times in a row because it wasn't working)
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> cloudrf: that would get messy
[02:40] <escott> Linkandzelda, you can disable swap in which case you go directly to OOM you do not pass GO and you do not collect $200
[02:40] <Linkandzelda> escott: haha. indeed
[02:40] <Linkandzelda> escott: i like $200 :/
[02:41] <cloudrf> me likes money
[02:41] <escott> Linkandzelda, i prefer the swap-storm because it gives me a little bit of time to jump over to an ssh terminal and figure out what application is leaking memory and kill it myself, but if you trust the OOM killer then that may just be prefereable to you
[02:42] <cloudrf> anyone willing to help tho
[02:42] <cloudrf> even if it is messy i wanna win the fight with microsoft
[02:43] <Linkandzelda> escott: then can I browse this ram or find out whats actually been cached? i remember it cached full almost instantly, i would of expected it to be a gradual thing
[02:44] <escott> Linkandzelda, no because its not object level. its page level
[02:44] <Linkandzelda> flip
[02:45] <brady> hey guys.  i have a ubuntu system that randomly crashes , and sometimes refuses to reboot when it does.  i check the bios and its like the drive has dissappeared.  after a bunch of resets, complete power downs, it randomly shows back up again.
[02:45] <escott> Linkandzelda, a program can allocate a lot of ram pretty quickly, or it could be miscalculating the unit size and allocating something enormous, or it could be that you dont notice because allocations (and responsiveness) is fast until it is full
[02:45] <confab> ActionParsnip, http://codepad.org/lA3e5VP2
[02:46] <escott> brady, bad drive or bad motherboard
[02:46] <brady> brand new drive, brand new motherboard
[02:46] <escott> brady, well that makes the following more likely "bad drive or bad motherboard"
[02:46] <Linkandzelda> escott: hmm, could of not noticed it, though i kept an eye on the bar to see it grow, and it wasnt caching anything. 10-20 mins after it was full lol
[02:46] <JimmyNeutron> disconnect the HDD and boot off a USB drive and see if it's stable
[02:47] <JimmyNeutron> if it's unstable, try running memtest
[02:47] <Linkandzelda> im still wondering what app did that, probably virtual box
[02:47] <brady> i am on the live cd right now
[02:47] <cloudrf> anybody using rpm on an ubuntu system?
[02:47] <escott> Linkandzelda, so vbox does add another layer of complexity because an app inside vbox could be eating a lot of ram
[02:47] <escott> !rpm | cloudrf
[02:47] <brady> i ran fsck and it says the drive is clean, it did the check very quickly
[02:48] <brady> how can i do a memory test
[02:48] <cloudrf> i understand that
[02:48] <XRS1> reboot from the live disk and select memtest86+
[02:48] <DasEi> brady: can also be a defective/loose cable, look up syslog on the internal system, enable ahci (I assume sata drive)
[02:48] <escott> brady, means it just replayed the journal. check the SMART status in the disk utility. memtest86 is a boot option
[02:48] <Linkandzelda> escott: if its causing the problem then I can close it and it should return to normal
[02:48] <JimmyNeutron> Ubuntu 12.04 comes with memtest86
[02:48] <sid|1> hi
[02:48] <sid|1> im trying to watch a football game from nbc.com
[02:49] <sid|1> using moonlight
[02:49] <JimmyNeutron> or go to memtest site directly and download the iso and burn it to a cd
[02:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, you can also enable process limits and limit a process to a few gigs. you will cause your web browser to crash ever once in a while but most processes shouldnt notice
[02:49] <sid|1> http://snfallaccess.nbcsports.com/*
[02:49] <sid|1> http://snfallaccess.nbcsports.com/     **
[02:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, but the best thing to do is let it OOM, and then look at dmesg to figure out who got killed
[02:49] <XRS1> 404
[02:49] <escott> sid|1, probably not going to work
[02:49] <sid|1> any way to make it work?
[02:50] <Linkandzelda> escott: interestingly enough closing vbox just lowered actual green used ram to almost nothing
[02:50] <brady> how do it get to the disk utility?  i dont see it in the hud
[02:50] <xangua> sid|1: not a chance :)
[02:50] <escott> sid|1, not really. moonlight supports all the encryption and codecs but MSFT doesn't license them to moonlight
[02:50] <sid|1> awh
[02:50] <Linkandzelda> which is normal, but, its now a fully cached ram even after vbox is closed so maybe its something else lol
[02:50] <xyzone> brady, type disk utility
[02:51] <escott> Linkandzelda, again yellow doesn't matter. yellow might as well be green
[02:51] <brady> i typed disk utility in the hud, nothing
[02:51] <escott> Linkandzelda, it probably had to pull some pages off the swap disk for VBox to shut itself down and then once everything was written to disk just keeps copies around in case you need to restart VBox
[02:51] <cloudrf> escott, what are you in relation to the ubuntu project?
[02:51] <escott> cloudrf, a user
[02:52] <XRS1> blah. forgot to install moonlight
[02:52] <cloudrf> wanna join out project?
[02:52] <cloudrf> our
[02:52] <bazhang> cloudrf, did you have actual ubuntu support question?
[02:52] <cloudrf> no i didnt
[02:52] <bazhang> !ot | cloudrf
[02:53] <bazhang> cloudrf, wrong place then
[02:53] <Sean21_> Quick questions guys, I want to download adobe flash, it says which version, YUM,.tar.gz,.rpm or APT for ubuntu 10.04
[02:53] <cloudrf> sorry bout that
[02:53] <XRS1> apt
[02:53] <xangua> Sean21_: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[02:54] <xangua> or, if you preffer the partner repo, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-adobe
[02:54] <Linkandzelda> escott: i'll just let it do its thing then lol
[02:54] <mathfreak> I'll try asking again: What exactly is GTK+?
[02:54] <XRS1> you could also open a console and type sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[02:54] <brady> by disk utility do you mean gparted?  when i type disk utility.. i dont find anything matching that description
[02:55] <escott> brady, no its gnome-disks
[02:55] <cloudrf> sorry guys but ur off topic channel is deader than a doornail
[02:55] <xangua> !gtk | mathfreak
[02:55] <escott> brady, its just called "disks" in 12.10, but gnome-disks is the binary
[02:55] <escott> brady, if you cant find that install smartmontools and use the command line smartctl
[02:56] <Linkandzelda> escott: cario dock just crashed lol
[02:57] <Linkandzelda> escott: and there goes my window borders once more...
[02:57] <tada> hello everyone
[02:57] <steiner> .net
[02:57] <mathfreak> xangua: Thanks!
[02:57] <brandinhess> Ok, I have a question for you all. I am looking for a piece of software that will allow me to speak through a microphone and convert my voice into text. Does anyone know of such a piece of software that is available in Linux?
[02:58] <Sean21_> That didnt work xangua
[02:58] <tada> I have a big issue with my ubuntu server, I am getting these error messages after I restarted it
[02:58] <xyzone> brandinhess, google docs
[02:58] <escott> brandinhess, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_in_Linux
[02:59] <tada> before I paste a wall of text, here a link from a guy which had the similar problem
[02:59] <tada> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1610269
[02:59] <Linkandzelda> escott: now that im here in this situation, with only a couple of pixels to see this irc chat, what should i do to find out what hapepned?
[02:59] <brandinhess> I need something that I can use while I am not online as well. Google docs doesn't cut it.
[02:59] <tada> any ideas what I could do?
[02:59] <escott> Linkandzelda, if cairo-dock crashed i would ctrl-alt-f1 and restart it
[02:59] <Sean21_> Console is what? xangua
[03:00] <Linkandzelda> escott: gnome-panel also went, and so did compiz, and i dont know the commands to start them >_>
[03:00] <rodayo> I made an ext4 partition on my hardrive to back up my home folder before i install QQ, is there a reason i'm unable to copy files to it through the file explorer? the paste option is disabled...
[03:00] <home> nice
[03:00] <escott> Linkandzelda, is the window manager running?
[03:01] <XRS1> sid|1, I'm watching the game on that link right now. just installed moonlight and it worked without issue
[03:01] <sid|1> hrm
[03:01] <sid|1> what browser?
[03:01] <Linkandzelda> escott: i opened it, but it failed to open with an error
[03:01] <Linkandzelda> escott: the window manager is running, without window borders lol
[03:01] <XRS1> firefox
[03:01] <escott> Linkandzelda, so compiz crashed
[03:01] <sid|1> im on chrome that might be the prob
[03:01] <XRS1> oops it crashed
[03:02] <tada> Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init.
[03:02] <tada> No init found. Try passing init=bootarg
[03:02] <escott> Linkandzelda, you need to export DISPLAY=:0; compiz --replace
[03:02] <tada> that's what I get
[03:02] <XRS1> n/m doesnt seem to work
[03:02] <escott> rodayo, you need to sudo chown to give yourself ownership of the mountpoint
[03:02] <root> hi
[03:03] <DasEi> xangua: used to be flashplugin-free in partner's repo; can now neither find that or flashplugin-adobe (currently on another distro then quantal ,  so can't look myself)
[03:03] <DasEi> xangua: used to be flashplugin-nonfree* in partner's repo; can now neither find that or flashplugin-adobe (currently on another distro then quantal ,  so can't look myself)
[03:03] <XRS1> not fully silverlight 4 compatable it seems
[03:03] <Linkandzelda> escott: did that and I got the top gnome panel back, but no window decorations yet
[03:03] <Linkandzelda> escott: aka no window borders
[03:04] <Linkandzelda> escott: and compiz just crashed again... >_>
[03:04] <XRS1> make sure you have all software sources enabled and its adobe-flashplugin
[03:04] <escott> Linkandzelda, interesting. you could try metacity --replace and use the 2D window manager
[03:04] <DasEi> !info adobe-flashplugin
[03:04] <Sean21_> Anyone have problems installing chrome?
[03:05] <Linkandzelda> escott: that gave me window borders again!
[03:05] <brandinhess> escott: I have tried those programs that you sent me the link for, and none of them were helpful. Are there any more?
[03:05] <XRS1> weird. hmm guess its different for Ubuntu Studio 12.10
[03:05] <escott> Linkandzelda, what kind of graphics card do you have
[03:05] <tada> I really need help : (
[03:05] <escott> brandinhess, i didnt even read that page :)
[03:05] <brandinhess> Ah.
[03:06] <Linkandzelda> escott: right now I'm using a ati radeon 6xxx series card, the one with 256mb ram in a mac mini 2011. im not using the preprietory driver
[03:06] <DasEi> XRS1: you're right, adobe-flashplugin in partners..  Sean21_
[03:06] <sid|1> XRS1:  doesnt work for me=/
[03:06] <Sean21_> Anyone have trouble installing chrome?
[03:06] <willdabeast> anyone here very familiar with cairo-dock?
[03:06] <brandinhess> Can anyone else think of any speech recognition software similar to that in Windows?
[03:06] <escott> tada, boot the install cd and choose "try ubuntu"
[03:06] <XRS1> yeah moonlight wont work it doesnt have full silverlight 4 support
[03:06] <DasEi> XRS1: will be because of the partner repo, so ubott.. won't mention it
[03:07] <sid|1> hwod u watch the video?
[03:07] <sid|1> how'd*
[03:07] <rodayo> escott, works! thank you =)
[03:07] <tada> escott: I used knoppix
[03:07] <tada> is this ok too?
[03:07] <DasEi> Sean21_: the browser ?
[03:07] <Sean21_> Yes
[03:07] <XRS1> it played for a bit then i alt-tabbed back and it crashed. tried reloading and it gave me an error telling me moonlight isnt compatable
[03:07] <DasEi> Sean21_: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[03:08] <escott> tada, sure
[03:08] <tada> escott: I am in knoppix and I tried
[03:08] <tada> fsck /dev/sda1
[03:08] <Sean21_> How do you know/get these commands?
[03:08] <escott> tada, is that the / partition?
[03:08] <Linkandzelda> escott: now the cahed ram has halved itsel, leaving a ton free
[03:08] <tada> but I am getting now another error message: /dev/sda1 is in use. e2fck: Fortsetung nicht möglich, breche ab.
[03:08] <tada> I think so
[03:09] <tada> I'm not quite sure
[03:09] <tada> I'm using a software based raid system, which does confuse me a bit
[03:09] <escott> Linkandzelda, then one of those applications was probably leaking some ram. the kernel might have eventually said "no you have had enough" at which point most applications tend to throw a hissy fit and crash
[03:09] <tada> but I think it's sda1
[03:09] <brady> when i hold down shift on start up.. i can't seem to get to grub to do the memory test
[03:09] <escott> tada, what do you mean software raid. is this in the bios?
[03:10] <tada> no, it's an pci card
[03:10] <DasEi> Sean21_: apt-get install is common for installing, also can use a gui like softwarecenter or synaptics, else one only needs the package name , you are running quantal ?
[03:10] <tada> 2 harddisks are connect on a pci card
[03:10] <escott> tada, and how much did this pci card cost?
[03:10] <tada> not much, it was a cheap one
[03:10] <Linkandzelda> escott: getting closer to finding out which one it is, either compiz, cairo, or.. gnome-panel
[03:10] <DasEi> Sean21_: and please put nick when replying
[03:10] <escott> tada, then you are better off disabling the raid
[03:11] <tada> I can't follow, what does this have something to do with my current problem?
[03:11] <Sean21_> Whats the command to nick
[03:11] <MK`> /nick
[03:11] <tada>  /nick
[03:12] <Linkandzelda> escott: I'll log out now and log in again to fix things, then will wait again and see what happens
[03:12] <Sean21_> I mean when you want to talk to someone
[03:12] <escott> tada, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/03/fakeraid-sucks/
[03:12] <DasEi> !info mdadm | tada , but keep up with escot..
[03:12] <escott> tada, almost certainly IS your problem
[03:13] <DasEi> Sean21_  are you running quantal ?
[03:13] <escott> tada, fakeraid is such a waste of time money and common sense its just not worth trying to figure out if it really is the problem or how to fix it. just disable it, use mdadm and go on with life
[03:13] <ActionParsnip> escott: +1
[03:13] <DasEi> :)
[03:13] <tada> my mainboard does not provide sata connections
[03:13] <Sean21_> Im new this, all I know is I am running unbuntu 12.10
[03:14] <tada> escott: I have no other choice than using this fakeraid now
[03:14] <ActionParsnip> Sean21_: run:  lsb_release -a
[03:14] <DasEi> Sean21_: fine, second, link coming
[03:14] <escott> tada, then its going to be a long long night
[03:14] <tada> fuck
[03:14] <escott> tada, if you disable the raid functionality on the PCI card thats your best bet
[03:15] <DasEi> tada: softraid works on other than sata, too
[03:16] <DasEi> tada: mind language ;)
[03:16] <tuxmatt> hey all
[03:16] <escott> tada, in order to get a fake raid system you have to (a) get a bootable grub.... which might require your buying another disk just to boot (b) getting the proper kernel module into the initrd (c) properly configuring dmraid
[03:17] <DasEi> http://tinyurl.com/cdwf45s < is for xubuntu, but will provide all your needs for a bsic setup , Sean21_
[03:17] <DasEi> basic*
[03:17] <escott> tada, it sounds like you got past (a) so you might be over the worst. it might just be that you need to do (b) and (C)
[03:17] <triplyfrypie> Hi, I am trying to set up monad. It works, but the scripts in ~/.config/autostart aren't being run, and also .xinitrc / .xsession are not being run. Where am I supposed to put code that should run on log-in?
[03:17] <triplyfrypie> sorry, xmonad.
[03:19] <tada> oh god
[03:19] <escott> tada, so you run lspci and try to figure out the chipset of the raid controller, then identify what kernel module you need, then add that to /etc/modules, and finally update-initramfs. but if you can disable that fakeraid and use mdadm that would be so much better. you won't lose all your data the day your $5 RAID controller goes kaput
[03:19] <ActionParsnip> triplyfrypie: if you copy one of the .desktop files in ~/.config/autostart then edit the lines to run the command you want it will run when you log in
[03:19] <StormTwo> anyone here?
[03:20] <DasEi> escott: many fakeraids have an own setting to relase the drives
[03:20] <tada> is this really the only solution to my problem right now? To change my raid configurations?
[03:20] <escott> because the point of RAID was to have redundancy completely subverted by the 5cent capacitors on your raid controller
[03:20] <DasEi> StormTwo: pong, a 1586
[03:20] <StormTwo> is 512mb of ram is enough to run 12.10 ubuntu?
[03:20] <escott> tada, its the better functioning solution, the more robust solution, the better supported solution, but not the only solution
[03:20] <DasEi> StormTwo: will work, but bettewr use a lighter derivate like lubuntu, xubuntu
[03:20] <xangua> StormTwo: it's enought for xubuntu or lubuntu
[03:21] <escott> !fakeraid | tada
[03:21] <xangua> !requirements | StormTwo
[03:21] <tada> I just want that my system is running again
[03:21] <triplyfrypie> ActionParsnip: I tried that, I have one that does "echo foo > ~/bar" and it doesn't produce a file ~/bar
[03:21] <escott> triplyfrypie, ~ means $HOME means /home/username/
[03:22] <escott> tada, "again"?
[03:22] <triplyfrypie> escott: yes I know that
[03:22] <Linkandzelda> escott: thanks for your help today, it was very useful, now im gonna head off (and if my hunch is right nothing will have crashed when i woke up!)
[03:22] <DasEi> StormTwo: also depends on how you install / which daemons are running, what about graphics ? the only thing that can be is a rather slow response, if too overloaded
[03:22] <tada> escott: yes, it worked for months perfectly until today
[03:22] <DasEi> (lots of swap usage, then) , StormTwo
[03:22] <tada> maybe almost a year
[03:23] <escott> tada, ok well that changes things. i was under the impression this was a fresh install. have you recently updated the system? can you boot the old kernel?
[03:23] <tada> no I didnt updated it
[03:23] <triplyfrypie> anyway, the point is I'm pretty sure those files aren't being executed
[03:23] <tada> it just happened
[03:23] <DasEi> triplyfrypie: permission problem... either do as root or chown the dir to desied needs
[03:23] <ActionParsnip> triplyfrypie: you won't use echo (well you can to make the duplicated file if you want), then open it in a text editor to run what you want
[03:24] <escott> tada, well that sounds like a hardware failure of some variety. so you are back to booting kubuntu and looking at SMART status
[03:24] <StormTwo> I love you too
[03:24] <tada> DasEi: I had the same issue, that's why I restarted it, then I got this problem
[03:24] <tada> escott: what's a smart status?
[03:24] <DasEi> tada:second , haven't been following you
[03:25] <triplyfrypie> DasEi: what I really want to run are mod map things to get rid of caps lock
[03:25] <escott> tada, Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology --- tells you when hard disks are failing mechanically
[03:26] <tada> the weird thing is
[03:26] <DasEi> tada: could you repeat since when it won't start any more ?
[03:26] <tada> escott: I can mount my harddisk and still access my files
[03:26] <DasEi> !info smartmontools
[03:26] <escott> tada, so check the smart status (not sure what the knoppix tool will be) there will be SMART status for both disks /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. then you run fsck on /dev/dmraid something.
[03:27] <tada> DasEi: since a few ours ago
[03:27] <triplyfrypie> escott, DasEi what I really really want is for .xinitrc to run
[03:27] <DasEi> tada: did you do anything specail ?
[03:27] <tada> no
[03:27] <escott> tada, so you have to modprobe some dmraid module to get the raid array to show up as a raid array, so that you can fsck it properly. what you are seeing is half of your RAID mirror in each disk
[03:27] <wyclif> wondering why fstab is missing from my /etc in Jaunty?
[03:28] <escott> wyclif, thats not good
[03:28] <DasEi> wyclif: strange, yes..
[03:28] <wyclif> escott: yes, I'm beginning to realise that this is not good. But I can't install it: "Couldn't find package fstab"
[03:28] <DasEi> wyclif: cat /etc/fstab    reveals nothing ?
[03:29] <escott> !info /etc/fstab
[03:29] <StormTwo> Kiss my ass guys -_-p
[03:29] <escott> wyclif, its not in any package. its part of the base system
[03:29] <DasEi> it's a file.. (fstab)
[03:29] <DasEi> !fstab
[03:30] <StormTwo> sorry ive been hack with my friends here
[03:30] <StormTwo> c u later
[03:30] <DasEi> StormTwo: fine
[03:30] <wyclif> escott: yes, it lists /media/cdrom0
[03:30] <Sonic132> Can someone help me? I have to somehow install Ubuntu onto a laptop HDD from a desktop, and then transplant it back in the laptop in some sort of working order.
[03:31] <DasEi> escott: you do the fstab ?
[03:31] <Sonic132> Because the BIOS is locked.
[03:31] <escott> Sonic132, open up the case and hit the CMOS jumper
[03:31] <escott> DasEi, ?
[03:32] <Sonic132> escott: I've heard that that doesn't work on this particular Thinkpad.
[03:32] <escott> Sonic132, heard or tried?
[03:32] <DasEi> Sonic132: sure ... do a usb-bootmedium, for safety disconnect desktop's hdd, need an adaptor for 2,5 hdd/lappi, then boot from usb-thumb and install to hdd
[03:33] <wyclif> escott: here's the output from my cat /etc/fstab http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333896/
[03:33] <escott> wyclif, that looks fine. except for the /dev/fd0.... do you really have a floppy disk or is your kernel just confused?
[03:33] <Sonic132> DasEi: I can't change the boot order since the BIOS is locked. Wouldn't that require that?
[03:34] <wyclif> escott: hahaha yes, it's really a floppy that never gets used :)
[03:34] <escott> Sonic132, i would try the CMOS jumper. anything that doesn't respond to the CMOS jumper is probably configured to use something like a trusted-boot in which case you plane isn't going to work anyways
[03:35] <wyclif> escott: now, what I totally don't get is why when I use parted -l it just give me a 15-device entry of the one HDD in the system
[03:35] <DasEi> Sonic132: no, as it'll probably be the only bootable medium then, though I don't know what your bios is set to, mostly one can hard-reset bios by opening the case
[03:35] <escott> wyclif, thats your SATA controller being buggy
[03:35] <Sonic132> The bios is set to the HDD being the only boot device.
[03:36] <DasEi> Sonic132: so can go above described way
[03:36] <escott> Sonic132, before you pull the disk and make the system non-bootable plug in a disk borrowed from another ubuntu laptop and see if you can boot that disk
[03:37] <escott> Sonic132, but you pull the disk and install to it and then put it back you could end up having a brick
[03:37] <wyclif> escott: yet, when I try to mount /dev/scd0 I'm told "mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist" ???
[03:37] <escott> wyclif, usually sdc0 that might just be a typo in your fstab
[03:38] <escott> tada1, were you able to find the SMART data?
[03:38] <DasEi> Sonic132: to lower the risk, just do a basic/minimal install with all generic drivers (alternate or netinstall, expert-mode)
[03:38] <DasEi> Sonic132: and brick .. chances are small it won't work, but you won't break anything
[03:38] <wyclif> escott: hmmm. "mount: can't find /dev/sdc0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[03:39] <Sonic132> I've tried transplanting it at least twice myself and my brother has tried it once. All we get is 'Operating System not found'
[03:39] <tada1> escott: no not really, I dont even know where to start... right now I'm downloading ubuntu cd version again and try the same commands there
[03:39] <escott> wyclif, what you pasted said scd0 so if you typoed there you need to fix it in /etc/fstab
[03:39] <escott> tada1, ok... it being knoppix im not sure what to tell you. but there should be a smart status application... not sure what it would be
[03:39] <DasEi> Sonic132: sound like grub wasn't installed properly, how did you try ?
[03:39] <DasEi> sounds*
[03:40] <wyclif> escott: yes, according to fstab it is scd0
[03:40] <escott> Sonic132, make sure when you install to /dev/sdb that you put the bootloader on /dev/sdb it might try to put it on sda. but if this thing has TXT enabled...
[03:41] <escott> Sonic132, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Execution_Technology
[03:41] <Sonic132> DasEi: Oh wow. I think I just figured out why that didn't work. I installed to an sda partition and that HDD also has windows on it. Would grub refer to Windows and fail because of that?
[03:41] <escott> Sonic132, no
[03:41] <DasEi> Sonic132: no
[03:41] <wyclif> escott: any tips on editing my fstab?
[03:42] <escott> wyclif, change the /dev/scd0 to /dev/sdc0 .... not sure what tips you need?
[03:42] <escott> wyclif, gksudo gedit /etc/fstab ????
[03:42] <DasEi> wyclif: sudo apt-get install hwinfo pastebinit && sudo hwinfo | pastebinit     ,give resulting url here
[03:43] <Sonic132> escott: I'm sorry. But this article is written to grad students. What is it your trying to show me?
[03:43] <phunyguy_t430s> Is there a "recommended" way of installing Oracle Java in Ubuntu? I know there are several ppas for it, is there a "best" one?
[03:44] <Sonic132> There isn't a laptop version of ubuntu floating around somewhere is there?
[03:44] <escott> Sonic132, no
[03:44] <tada1> Sonic132: there was once but they fusioned it with the desktop version
[03:45] <Sonic132> tada1: Yeah. I saw a netbook version a few years back.
[03:46] <Sean21_> :DasEi:
[03:46] <DasEi> Sonic132: os not found is mostly grub not found
[03:47] <wyclif> escott: I'm willing to try it but why would fstab corrup the name of the device? I certainly didn't edit this file
[03:47] <wyclif> escott: *corrupt
[03:47] <Sean21_> DasEi I was looking at the installation tutorial he has on it, so would it basically just overwrite ubuntu 12.10?
[03:47] <DasEi> Sonic132: goole the manual for that exact model and find outm wheter to reset the bios manually/mechanically (removing battery..) is possible
[03:47] <DasEi> Sean21_: nope, that just gives the needed packagenames you asked for
[03:48] <DasEi> Sean21_: you install additional progs/features
[03:48] <escott> wyclif, given that your sata controller is crazy and telling the kernel you have thousands of disks.... i have no idea what might be appearing in the fstab. furthermore it could be something where /dev/sda is good for about 5 seconds until the controller decides it needs to be addressed as /dev/sdb and then changes again. i dont know
[03:48] <Sonic132> DasEi: All the pages I could dig up said no. But I'll try the manual as well.
[03:48] <escott> Sonic132, if this is a corporate laptop you need ot worry about intel TXT
[03:48] <DasEi> Sonic132: I gfu, model/brand ?
[03:49] <Sonic132> escott: I don't believe it is. It's an IBM Thinkpad R52. I don't remember the machine type. It's my brothers laptop.
[03:50] <DasEi> Sonic132: so removing batt shall be possible then :)
[03:50] <wyclif> escott: here's my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333896/
[03:50] <DasEi> wyclif: sudo apt-get install hwinfo pastebinit && sudo hwinfo | pastebinit     ,give resulting url here
[03:50] <Sonic132> DasEi: It's worth a try. What's the worst that could happen *nervous chuckle*?
[03:50] <wyclif> DasEi: that command failed.
[03:51] <escott> wyclif, this line "/dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0" doesn't make sense. it woudl normally be /dev/sdc so check if that file exists in /dev
[03:51] <tada1> escott: thanks a lot for your help by the way, I really appreciate it : ) I think the best would be to safe my files and reinstall ubuntu, and just pretend there is no hardware failure...
[03:51] <tada1> pretend/ignore
[03:51] <DasEi> Sonic132: have a black tea, let it sit for longer than 6 minutes before drinking ;), then use the screwdriver
[03:51] <wyclif> escott: will do
[03:51] <escott> tada1, well thats not going to fix the hardware failure. probably only going to aggravate it
[03:52] <triplyfrypie> escott, DasEi, ActionParsnip, anyone else who's been helping me: I'm a bit confused by how the login process works in Ubuntu. At the login screen, I have options for "XMonad" and "Ubuntu (Default)" (and a few others). Where are these specified? If I have "XMonad" selected, I am pretty sure it's not executing .xsession or anything in ~/.config/autostart/*.desktop. This is really problematic for me because I need to start xscreensave
[03:52] <triplyfrypie> and a few other things like dropbox and flux. Help?
[03:52] <Sonic132> DasEi: Thanks. You and escott both.
[03:52] <DasEi> wyclif: so sud hwinfo and find what your devices are called
[03:52] <wyclif> escott: yep, /dev/sdc exists.
[03:52] <tada1> yes, probably, on the other hand, we are not sure to 100% if this really is a hardware failure
[03:53] <Rallias> A process daemonized on me while I was in a chroot. If I exit the chroot, it'll die properly, right? If not, how do I find the PID to murder it?
[03:54] <escott> triplyfrypie, join the club :). the Xmonad is coming from /etc/x11 but some of the other stuff like .xsession is ignored by some things and not others. you are probably better off modifying gnome-session-properties if you use gnome/ubunit
[03:54] <escott> triplyfrypie, gnome/unity
[03:54] <DasEi> triplyfrypie: you'll use a loginmanager, like gdm or other, that let's you make those choices at login-time
[03:54] <escott> Rallias, no it will keep running. you can kill it in or out of the chroot by its PID
[03:55] <triplyfrypie> escott: should I just switch to awesome/i3/some other tiling wm?
[03:55] <Rallias> How do I find it's PID?
[03:55] <escott> Rallias, ps aux or pstree
[03:55] <escott> Rallias, and look for something whose parent is init
[03:55] <triplyfrypie> DasEi: I believe it uses gdm but I'm not sure. The login manager thing looks the same as the stock ubuntu 12.10 one
[03:55] <DasEi> Rallias: top or htop, or ps
[03:55] <escott> triplyfrypie, then thats lightdm
[03:55] <triplyfrypie> ah ok
[03:56] <triplyfrypie> another question: any idea how to kill evolution-calendar-factory? It has a million processes with the lightdm user and I don't use evolution… I don't understand why some things are starting up and others aren't. Is there a folder of lightdm startup profiles or something?
[03:56] <escott> Rallias, chroot only roots the filesystem. the kernel and all the processes are visible inside or outside the chroot
[03:57] <tada1> escott: it worked again
[03:57] <tada1> after a few times of restarts
[03:57] <tada1> thanks god, I dont have the money for new hardware haha!
[03:57] <wyclif> DasEi: I see everything except my CDROM drive
[03:57] <escott> tada1, so you are booted into your ubuntu system now?
[03:57] <tada1> yes : )
[03:57] <escott> tada1, you can't fsck in that, but you can check the smart status with gnome-disks
[03:58] <researcher123> often a certain website does not open.It just takes infinite time.But a few still open with usual speed.What should I do?
[03:58] <DasEi> wyclif: so cd in the /dev directory and take a look what's listed there
[03:58] <escott> tada1, you might also want to write down the output of "lsmod | grep dm"
[03:58] <tada1> escott: it's the server edition of ubuntu, I fear I dont have any access to gnome related stuff
[03:58] <triplyfrypie> escott: it looks like /usr/share/xsessions/xmonad.desktop is being executed. The "Exec" line in that is "xmonad". Would it be safe to change it to "~/.xsession && xmonad"?
[03:58] <escott> tada1, then use smartctl
[03:59] <researcher123> I am unable to install Mozilla Add-ons
[03:59] <wyclif> DasEi: I did, I have /dev/sdc
[03:59] <DasEi> tada1: nope, all same repos
[03:59] <escott> triplyfrypie, no idea sorry
[03:59] <escott> triplyfrypie, never understood xsessions
[03:59] <OerHeks> researcher123, the solution for me was to disable IPv6
[03:59] <DasEi> wyclif: that's a harddrive
[03:59] <OerHeks> !ipv6
[03:59] <researcher123> OerHeks: Let me try too
[04:00] <wyclif> DasEi: there is no /dev/scd file
[04:00] <escott> wyclif, scd0?
[04:01] <DasEi> wyclif: sr0 ?
[04:01] <DasEi> wyclif: cdrom ?
[04:01] <escott> wyclif, a lot of what im telling you is based on what "looks weird" but we know your hardware is broken so its not surprising that things "look weird"
[04:01] <wyclif> escott: DasEi: no scd0 or sr0
[04:02] <tada1> escott: I installed smartctl, and tried sudo smartctl /dev/sda
[04:02] <wyclif> escott: DasEi: no cdrom in /dev either
[04:03] <tada1> it made something but I dont know what, I think it saved a log somewhere
[04:03] <escott> tada1, smartctl -a /dev/sda
[04:03] <escott> tada1, it should dump out some text which you probably want to paste to us at paste.ubuntu.com. then you have to do the same for sdb
[04:04] <DasEi> wyclif: hwinfo | grep cd*
[04:04] <DasEi> wyclif: hwinfo | grep dvd*
[04:05] <tada1> escott: http://pastebin.com/rrrA6PNg
[04:07] <researcher123> OerHeks: My router does not show IPv6
[04:08] <tada1> it says it passed, man, this is banana
[04:08] <wyclif> DasEi: escott: here's my hwinfo | grep cd* output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333936/
[04:08] <escott> tada1, the UDMA CRC error count is a bit high but it doesn't look like it is mechanically failing. perhaps electrically but not mechanically
[04:09] <tada1> oh, I didnt notice that
[04:09] <escott> tada1, your load cycle count is really high so its clearly an older disk
[04:09] <tada1> what is udma crc?
[04:10] <escott> tada1, data transfer to/from the motherboard failing a checksum. ie some kind of electrical error between the controller and the system
[04:11] <escott> tada1, the dm_raid45 is related to your fakeraid, but it doesn't identify what the actual controller module is
[04:11] <tada1> honestly I'm impressed of your knowledge
[04:11] <pinguy> hello
[04:11] <wyclif> tada1: I second that
[04:12] <tada1> and man, errors in checksum, this sounds really bad. It sounds like it is risky to safe any files on those harddisks
[04:13] <escott> tada1, the UDMA thing could be as simple as a bad cable or as bad as a failing chipset on the motherboard, 400 isn't that high given that there are millions of UDMA transfers (probably billions with a disk this old) but monitor that and see if it is increasing, and check that your cables are well inserted next time you powerdown
[04:13] <XRS1> sometimes that can be caused by software problem / virus. sometimes it can happen when loading data from a bad optical disk or a failing optical disk drive
[04:13] <escott> tada1, well the checksum means it noticed the error.
[04:13] <escott> tada1, so something was transfered and it noticed that the transfer was corrupted and the motherboard told the disk to resend which the disk logged
[04:14] <samueljohn> hey, anyone had the issue with their keyboad dropping keys and getting stuck on repeat sometimes?
[04:14] <escott> tada1, anyways lets look at sdb
[04:14] <XRS1> yeah with a dirty keyboard
[04:14] <deper29> samueljohn: I have that issue on my raspberry pi
[04:14] <escott> tada1, and send the rest of your lsmod so i can figure out what the controller is
[04:14] <samueljohn> XRS1: any fix for it?
[04:14] <tada1> the rest of my lsmod? That's all buddy
[04:14] <XRS1> if its just dirty, clean it
[04:14] <samueljohn> XRS1: I've had it for a few years and haven't been able to find a fix
[04:15] <escott> tada1, i mean take off the | grep bit just run "lsmod"
[04:15] <XRS1> the keys should be removable
[04:15] <samueljohn> what do you mean 'removable'?
[04:16] <deper29> samueljohn: just pry the keys off of the keyboard
[04:16] <brady> for some reason when i hold down shift on startup, i can't get it to go to grub, and therefore cannot accomplish a memory test, any ideas?
[04:16] <XRS1> try cleaning the plug on the cord and the plug on the computer too. or just get a cheap keyboard.  also, you might want to check the keyboard settings in BIOS and in settings manager
[04:16] <escott> brady, usb keyboard?
[04:16] <tada1> escott: http://pastebin.com/yf8veLwg
[04:16] <brady> yes, usb
[04:16] <samueljohn> deper29: why would I want to pry the keys off of the keyboard?
[04:16] <brady> to clean under them samueljohn
[04:16] <samueljohn> it's not a hardware issue.
[04:17] <deper29> samueljohn: ...to clean it
[04:17] <XRS1> if its dirty, you cant really clean it if the keys are in the way
[04:17] <brady> yes, usb, escott
[04:17] <escott> brady, have a ps/2 handy?
[04:17] <jotterbot> Hey guys, what is the easiest way to relay email to gmail? ssmtp?
[04:17] <burtonium> samueljohn: just use youtube, and see how people are cleaning their keyboards ;) it would be much easier to learn ;)
[04:17] <brady> escott: no.
[04:17] <brady> just the one.
[04:17] <DasEi> wyclif: that rather looks like the whole hwinfo out; let me see ...
[04:18] <escott> brady, you probably need a ps/2 can you get into the bios with your usb keyboard?
[04:18] <samueljohn> burtonium: you think it's because my keys are dirty? It's no way possible a software issue?
[04:18] <brady> yes
[04:18] <guang> The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
[04:18] <triplyfrypie> I've seen differing ways to turn CAPS LOCK into Escape. What's the best way using xmodmap?
[04:18] <XRS1> some one might have bubba'd your keystroke settings in BIOS or settings manager, otherwise its a hardware issue
[04:19] <escott> tada1, interesting note on sata_sil https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Sata_sil "Some reports of data corruption when paired with NVIDIA chipsets." and i note you have forcedeth loaded
[04:19] <wyclif> DasEi: sorry; surprised it's that verbose :(
[04:20] <burtonium> samueljohn: I am not saying that, i just noticed someone is trying to explain to you, how to clean keyboard so I suggested to watch the video on YT. It's the fastest way to do it. Well, if your computers load is over 1.0, I bet it can happen your keyboard is lagging. It happened to me few times … but i am not an expert. Maybe someone can confirm this? or not?
[04:20] <guang> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[04:20] <guang> when i run "sudo apt-cache search win",it occurs
[04:20] <XRS1> yeah if the system is overloaded it can cause keystroke delays then you end up messing up what your typing
[04:21] <escott> brady, you might double check if you bios has any usb input options. sometimes bioses need to load the usb hid input stuff prior to handing over to grub
[04:21] <tada1> oh goodie, datacorruption
[04:21] <samueljohn> burtonium: Gotcha. I didn't even consider it to be a hardware issue. That's why I wasn't understanding.
[04:21] <XRS1> i fixed that issue today let me look it up
[04:21] <escott> tada1, but ill guess sata_sil is your sata controller module. in any case what about smartctl -a /dev/sdb
[04:21] <XRS1> guang, try this: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[04:21] <XRS1> then sudo apt-get update
[04:22] <tada1> good question
[04:22] <guang> XRS1:let me try it
[04:22] <escott> tada1, is it just the two disks? a and b?
[04:22] <tada1> yes
[04:23] <tada1> intersting, udma, crc at zero
[04:23] <escott> tada1, thats good suggests a bad cable
[04:23] <escott> tada1, anything else standing out?
[04:23] <escott> tada1, is the load cycle count also around 800j
[04:23] <escott> 800k
[04:24] <DasEi> wyclif: nonetheless I can neither find a cdrom, dvd or optical in there, so it seems your cdrom isn't dtected at all, you might try gnome-devicemanager and look again, if it shows up there, else you have a hardware/-cable/-driver problem, so kernel won't see drive
[04:24] <tada1> escott: http://pastebin.com/aJfG9gmU
[04:24] <escott> DasEi, his sata controller is borked. more than likely the kernel gave up before enumerating the cd drive
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[04:25] <XRS1> if it is IDE, make sure you have the drives jumpered where they should be. I've seen lots of weird stuff happen when using Cable Select
[04:25] <escott> tada1, you have a reallocated sector
[04:25] <XRS1> did you run the command?
[04:25] <XRS1> i just fixed that same problem today with that command
[04:25] <escott> tada1, so thats an indicator of a mechanical failure at some point. it could be recent it could be old
[04:25] <DasEi> escott: ic...
[04:25] <tada1> shitt
[04:26] <DasEi> wyclif: gnome-device-manger is the right one;  pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[04:26] <cHaNge> hi =)
[04:26] <tada1> what does that mean? Reallocated means a sector which were apprently moved but not corrputed I guess
[04:26] <tada1> how could this happen
[04:27] <XRS1> reallocated means it got marked as a bad sector
[04:27] <escott> tada1, but it sounds like you were maybe configured as mirrored. so i would (a) check if the cable on disk a is well inserted/replace it (b) monitor the UDMA and reallocated sectors closely to see if they go up. check into lspci and see if you are using that combination of sata_sil and nforce that was mentioned as a possible problem
[04:27] <DasEi> tada1: there are spare sectors on a hd, that can replace ones which got borked by time
[04:28] <escott> tada1, means it tried to write to a location on the disk... failed in some way (that part was scratched basically) and decided to put the data somewhere else
[04:28] <DasEi> :)
[04:28] <tada1> alright, thanks for the explanation dudes
[04:29] <DasEi> wyclif: url from pastebinit ?
[04:29] <escott> tada1, your boot failures are most likely related to the loose cable though. i dont see any evidence of mechanical failure there
[04:29] <tada1> I accosiated it with something else apparently, so the next step is to said in short terms: Check cable, monitor sometimes
[04:30] <DasEi> escott: tada1: haven't followed your proceeding with smartmontools, but that would show up there (bad sectors)
[04:30] <wyclif> DasEi: it returns "IndexError: list index out of range"
[04:30] <escott> tada1, you do have to be careful with anything like a reallocated sector
[04:31] <escott> it could be that a whole bunch of sectors on the disk are bad but if you dont attempt to write to them or read from them you might never find out. they just sit there like time bombs until the day you try to get your data and *pooof*
[04:31] <tada1> shit shit shit
[04:32] <escott> tada1, so depending on your level of paranoia you may want to make another backup to an external media of some kind
[04:32] <DasEi> wyclif: so too big, try : head /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[04:32] <escott> tada1, but 1 reallocated sector is the least number you can have that is bad :)
[04:32] <tada1> ok, I apparently have to read about reallocated sectors and the possibilites to solve
[04:32] <DasEi> wyclif: tail /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[04:33] <escott> tada1, there is no way to solve it. its just evidence of a failure at some point... it will only go up over time
[04:33] <tada1> heh, yeah... and I use a 3rd disk to backup every day, month and year
[04:33] <DasEi> tada1: use the long smart test, reallocation is done by the hd itself (if so) and shouldn't affect alldays use at all, you won't even see without smart enabled
[04:33] <escott> tada1, it sounds like you are following a good backup procedure don't worry too much. just figure out if there is a loose cable
[04:34] <wyclif> DasEi: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333966/
[04:36] <tada1> heh ok, and again thanks escott, I'm happy for learning new in handy comming stuff
[04:37] <tada1> by the way, I wanna show you very quick how this homeserver looks like
[04:37] <DasEi> wyclif: some wierd messages, what I see is you use a dedicated scsi-card(wide/40) , is the cd also attached to it ?
[04:38] <escott> wyclif, that was entertaining to read
[04:38] <siton> hi
[04:38] <wyclif> DasEi: yes, indeed. It's an Adaptec 29160, to be specific, and the CDROM is a Plextor Ultraplex Wide
[04:38] <DasEi> hehe, escott ;)
[04:38] <siton> just a test
[04:38] <tada1> siton: test was successful
[04:38] <wyclif> escott: I know, it made me sick just looking at it. I can't decipher all of it but I know it's not good
[04:38] <siton> thx
[04:39] <DasEi> wyclif: so you have to go in the card's bios and / or check that it's found there, first, jumper settings at cd can be a cause, also cable setting and you got to 'inform the bios of the adaptec of the cdrom
[04:39] <wyclif> DasEi: AFAICT, the CDROM is device #3 on the SCSI bus
[04:39] <DasEi> wyclif: so it shows up there ?
[04:40] <wyclif> DasEi: you mean in the SCSI bios?
[04:40] <DasEi> yess
[04:40] <escott> wyclif, doesn't look the hardware is mishandling things persay, but the driver is sure confused
[04:41] <wyclif> escott: that makes sense, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the hardware, and although this is an older box all the hardware is premium
[04:41] <escott> wyclif, does the card bios offer any kind of sleep state energy efficiency options? perhaps disabling those might help
[04:42] <wyclif> DasEi: yes, when I check the SCSI bios and use the utility it shows all the devices terminated on the bus (the HDD and the CDROM, that's it)
[04:43] <escott> wyclif, its always triggered at " scsi2: Unexpected busfree while idle" so that suggest the card is just saying "you haven't asked me to write anything so im going to sleep" but the kernel is not expecting that and has to tap it on the shoulder to get it back
[04:43] <wyclif> escott: I can't tell you right now. I seem to recall that it does. There are thorough options in the SCSI bios as this is an Adaptec card...pretty well supported
[04:43] <escott> wyclif, as long as your narcoleptic controller only does that when there is no work to do you won't see corruption
[04:43] <DasEi> wyclif: so that was the first thing to check ; I'm overasked whether current kernel supports that  card already, when it came out it was aic7xxx module, that I really can't figure out so easily, maybe you have to look up asu' support concerning linux
[04:44] <escott> wyclif, the enumeration of 15 devices when you only have two is more annoying
[04:44] <wyclif> escott: obviously that is very wrong but I've no idea how to fix it
[04:45] <KrazyKrivda> I was attempting to setup and install bluetooth and I know have about 20 "packages not fully set up or removed"  i get a lsit of dependency problems and I am not sure what to do or where to even start
[04:45] <wyclif> escott: 15 devices is, of course, the maximum you can put on the bus so it's showing the whole chain even though there are only two devices on it
[04:45] <XRS1> sudo apt-get build-dep && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:45] <DasEi> wyclif: you usually can set it in cards' bios-utility, but I never owned that particular modem, so will draw back, maybe ##linux is another good place to ask about that card
[04:47] <wyclif> DasEi: I tried earlier editing the SCSI bios to make the CDROM boot first, but setting it to boot device #3 first didn't work
[04:47] <escott> wyclif, its not even enumerated. its the HDD 15 times
[04:47] <wyclif> DasEi: the default is 0
[04:47] <wyclif> escott: yep, it makes no sense to me
[04:48] <DasEi> wyclif: as said, if you aren't lucky with finding someone knowing that card, first hit would be adaptec support, and then general linux/server-rooms and :
[04:48] <DasEi> !hcl
[04:48] <DasEi> .. there are few ones to look up
[04:49] <wyclif> DasEi: what is !hcl?
[04:49] <escott> wyclif, the driver is probably just wrong for that chip. so it thinks it is asking to enumerate the devices saying what is in channel 0 sees the seagate, updates the wrong register and asks about 1 but the driver answers with what is in 0 again ...
[04:49] <DasEi> wyclif: hardware compatibly list
[04:49] <burtonium> wyclif: hw compatibilty list
[04:49] <wyclif> DasEi: ah thanks
[04:49] <DasEi> or burtonium :), I'm getting tired now, sry
[04:50] <burtonium> sry for interfering
[04:50] <DasEi> nah :)
[04:50] <wyclif> DasEi: do you think it could be a matter of updating the drivers?
[04:51] <DasEi> wyclif: well , on one hand it seems it handles the cd fine, on the other it doesn't seem to find the cd on the same card, so that's my next GUESS, as said, I never owned that model, so can't tell
[04:52] <DasEi> handle the hd fine*
[04:53] <db42d> who have competence with btr5
[04:53] <triplyfrypie> Help! I screwed up an init file and now can't log in. Is there a way to get to a shell from in lightdm?
[04:53] <xangua> !backtrack | db42d
[04:53] <DasEi> !ask | db42d
[04:54] <DasEi> kk, I gtg, tired , later..
[04:54] <db42d> !ask how to join op takedown chan
[04:55] <wyclif> DasEi: Fortunately the Adaptec 29160 SCSI Card manual is available in PDF on the internet :)
[04:55] <wyclif> DasEi: have it open now....
[04:55] <wyclif> ...
[04:55] <quint> when i copy data to my usb flash disk, the transfer is instant but long after the dialog has completed the drive still shows the i/o light blinking. what's the deal with that? how can i get my copy dialigs to be more true to the actual copy process?
[04:56] <ActionParsnip> quint: what app are you using to copy?
[04:56] <quint> thunar
[04:57] <paulschreiber> there are many old files in /boot/grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334007/  can i delete the files from february, which appear to be for grub 1?
[04:57] <escott> quint, thats not something you want to happen in general. there might be a way to tell the kernel to buffer less for a particular block device but its that buffering that makes things seem snappy
[04:58] <quint> i just hate to have to watch the light closely long after it says it's finished. it's a bit of a bother. it only seems to happen with thunar
[04:59] <ActionParsnip> quint: have you tried other file browsers, like pcmanfm ?
[04:59] <quint> i used to use that one
[05:00] <quint> when i ran "lubuntu"
[05:00] <quint> on xubuntu now
[05:00] <quint> can i fully replace thunar with pcmanfm?
[05:00] <escott> quint, you should always eject the device and wait for that to indicate success before removing anyways
[05:01] <ActionParsnip> quint: sure
[05:01] <escott> ActionParsnip, is that going to make any kind of difference?
[05:01] <ActionParsnip> escott: its worth exploring
[05:01] <hdm> is there an easy way to determine what packages depend on another? (say, a command or web interface)
[05:01] <quint> i always wait to eject, i've tried ejecting after it reports finished copy and i get an io error and the file doesn't match the original
[05:02] <ActionParsnip> hdm: you can use apt-rdepends
[05:02] <hdm> aha, thanks!
[05:02] <escott> ActionParsnip, my guess is he would have the same experience with a simple command line "cp" and that the problem is the syscall returns success because the write is queued
[05:02] <quint> with cp it seems to work dandy
[05:02] <quint> exactly as it should
[05:02] <ActionParsnip> escott: try both. It's free :)
[05:02] <coolstar> anyone know the difference between glade and glade-gtk2 in the ubuntu software center?
[05:03] <jotterbot> Hey guys, can anyone help me with this problem? http://serverfault.com/questions/445027/raid-card-event-notifications-email-to-gmail
[05:03] <escott> quint, i guess cp is doing syncronus io then
[05:04] <Ozera> Hello everyone. For ubuntu 12.04 what is "mail:x:8:8:mail:/var/mail:/bin/sh"? What does that mean? That there is a mail service on here?
[05:04] <Ozera> in /etc/passws
[05:04] <hdm> Ozera: its just a placeholder account
[05:04] <hdm> you have system mail even if you dont run a real mailserver
[05:04] <Ozera> hdm: For...mail??
[05:04] <hdm> schedule jobs will mail reports to 'root' when they fail, etc
[05:05] <Ozera> ah
[05:05] <coolstar> Ozera: it's for the UNIX sendmail
[05:05] <Ozera> what is "uucp:x:10:10:uucp:/var/spool/uucp:/bin/sh "
[05:05] <Ozera> idk what uucp is
[05:05] <Phibs> having issues with 12.10 & samba: http://pastie.org/5187437
[05:05] <Phibs> any help appreciated
[05:05] <hdm> Ozera: thats really just a placeholder, msot folks dont use it, but its traditional :)
[05:05] <Ozera> hdm: isn't that...a security problem then?
[05:05] <hdm> Ozera: no, those stub accounts dont matter so long as there isnt a password (or empty) present in shadow
[05:06] <Ozera> If I don't use it shouldn't I get rid of it
[05:06] <hdm> deleting them may break system functionality
[05:06] <Ozera> why?
[05:06] <hdm> uucp might be repurposed by some other scheduled task
[05:06] <Ozera> Sorry I am just curious :P
[05:06] <Ozera> kk well i'll be back with more questions!
[05:07] <trism> coolstar: glade is gtk3 glade-gtk2 is gtk2
[05:08] <coolstar> trism: thanks :)
[05:10] <Erin> ttrying to mount my 2TB NTFS drive on an ubuntu live-usb but it acts like it is GPT and says the partition is not NTFS....
[05:10] <Erin> it detects my 120gb SSD's as ntfs though....
[05:11] <escott> Erin, at 2TB it very well may be (and probably is) GPT but that doesn't have anything to do with NTFS so how does it act like it is GPT
[05:12] <Erin> under system in fdisk it says GPT instead of NTFS like the other drive
[05:12] <rinzler> is there anyway to get xrandr to make the right monitor as the first desktop and the left monitor as the second? I'm using arandr and there doesn't seem to be an option for that.
[05:12] <coolstar> Erin: GPT is a partition table. NTFS is a filesystem
[05:12] <Erin> isnt gpt linux based though?
[05:12] <coolstar> Erin: you can have an NTFS formatted partition with a GPT table
[05:13] <Phibs> having issues with 12.10 & samba: http://pastie.org/5187437
[05:13] <Erin> this is on my strictly windows machine
[05:13] <coolstar> Erin: from wikipedia: As of 2010, most current operating systems support GPT, although some (including Mac OS X and Windows) only support booting to GPT partitions on systems with EFI firmware.
[05:13] <Erin> efi firmware, as in my mobo is UEFI ?
[05:13] <escott> Erin, UEFI requires GPT but GPT has nothing to do with EFI
[05:14] <Erin> basically I booted an ubuntu live-usb with hopes of backing up my 120gb SSD's with DD onto the 2TB drive
[05:14] <Erin> when I try to mount the 2tb drive it says it isnt ntfs
[05:14] <escott> Erin, why dont you run "sudo parted -l" and send us that
[05:15] <escott> !paste | Erin
[05:15]  * coolstar prefers pastie.org :P
[05:16] <rinzler> any ideas on how to switch the primary moniter in xrandr?
[05:17] <El_Macho_Del_Oes> Buenas ncohes, madrugadas segun el caso ¿Se habla español aquí?
[05:17] <MK``> Is there a way for me to disable my speakers entirely? I'm using 11.10.
[05:17] <Erin> pastebin.com/Bkx0ETMM
[05:17] <rinzler> !es | El_Macho_Del_Oes
[05:17] <El_Macho_Del_Oes> Gracias, estoy usando por primera vez este soft de Xchat
[05:18] <Ozera> wtf, Is there no /etc/inted.conf file on ubuntu 12.04 ?
[05:18] <escott> Erin you want /dev/sdc2 you were probably trying to access sdc1 which is an EFI system partition
[05:18] <Ozera> I can't find it
[05:18] <escott> Erin, except that MSFT didnt set it up like that for some weird reason... but clearly that is what it is meant for
[05:18] <rinzler> MK``: you should be able to do so in Mixer
[05:19] <Erin> DOH
[05:19] <Erin> ty escott its mounted now, I just didn't figure it out cause /dev/sdc2 doesnt even show up in sudo fdisk -l
[05:19] <Erin> ...
[05:19] <MK``> rinzler: how do I access that?
[05:19] <escott> Erin, stop using fdisk. forget it ever existed
[05:20] <Erin> escott, haha but I had just learned how to use it to partition discs from the command line earlier this year :-)
[05:20] <escott> Erin, fdisk cannot see gpt so it saw the GPT protective partition which is written to the msdos partition table to make sure stupid tools like fdisk don't make people think the disk is empty
[05:20] <coolstar> do you guys think it's worth supporting ubuntu 10.10 and below?
[05:20] <blackshirt> escott: so, what the best tool to access gpt partition
[05:20] <blackshirt> ?
[05:20] <coolstar> cuz 11.04 and higher are gtk3, but 10.10 are gtk2
[05:21] <Erin> escott, ahh well thanks a ton I clearly see the partition in parted, ill have to learn how to use that now :-D
[05:21] <Erin> mount
[05:21] <escott> Erin, blackshirt, sudo parted -l to list partitions and for most functions. gdisk if you have issues where a tool messed things up by say installing an msdos partition on a disk that had GPT but failing to remove the GPT structures when it did so
[05:21] <Erin> oops wrong keyboard ;-P
[05:21] <Ozera> escott: Do you know if there is /etc/inted.conf on ubuntu 12.04 ?
[05:22] <blackshirt> escott, parted look more advanced compared to fdisk, was that right ?
[05:22] <Erin> blackshirt, yea thats what he just explained :-)
[05:22] <escott> blackshirt, parted uses libparted which is the same as gparted so yes
[05:24] <blackshirt> escott: what about cfdisk, is this tool uses libparted too ?
[05:24] <rinzler> MK``: should be accessible through the sound settings button under the volume drop down
[05:24] <escott> blackshirt, never used cfdisk myself. only fdisk, gdisk and parted. i like gdisk best but its also the most advanced.... you really need to read the book to understand everything it presents to you. so i only break it out when windows screws things up
[05:25] <blackshirt> escott: thanks you ..
[05:25] <blackshirt> escott: i have familiar with parted
[05:25] <Ozera> Does anyone know the answer to my question :( ?
[05:25] <escott> blackshirt, if you really want to understand the gpt transition though go read rodsbooks.com
[05:26] <escott> Ozera, locate inetd.conf returns nothing on my 12.10
[05:26] <Ozera> escott: wtfff
[05:26] <blackshirt> escott: thanks anyway
[05:27] <Ozera> escott: What file are TCP and UDP connecetions established from?
[05:27] <escott> Ozera, file? the question doesnt make sense?
[05:27] <Ozera> escott: "The first thing to take a look at is the /etc/inetd.conf file. Most TCP and UDP services are initialized from this file." is why I ask
[05:28] <escott> Ozera, if you use inetd
[05:28] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: i guess you used inetd heavily in the past? unless you use the inetd service to launch those services it wont be running them on ubuntu
[05:29] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: no, but I am trying to learn more about security. I guess I am using a tutorial not meant for ubuntu
[05:29] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: you can run inetd on ubuntu afaik, if your looking for security, look into xinetd =)
[05:30] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: if you want to know what started TCP/UDP connections in general you can use netstat (-pone or something should work)
[05:30] <escott> Ozera, inetd isn't that popular these days because most servers are on 24/7 and you want all services running from boot. so you dont do the whole inetd thing with servers. systemd used by fedora brings the concept back but for a different purpose (reducing power usage)
[05:30] <Ozera> kk
[05:31] <Ozera> thanks ^_^
[05:31] <Erin> cool now I got my win7 backing up on my gaming machine so I can try win8 and see how I like it, god I wish I could use linux for my main gaming OS :-(
[05:32] <escott> Ozera, if you want you can install inetd but most security is handled through iptables so look at
[05:32] <escott> !firewall | Ozera
[05:32] <Ozera> thanks
[05:32] <Erin> escott, why does parted claim my disks are SCSI ?
[05:32] <escott> Ozera, and make sure you arent looking at BSD docs because inetd is still used in BSD land
[05:32] <Erin> scsi was out of use like before I was born ;-p
[05:33] <SolarisBoy> no its not
[05:33] <escott> Erin, because they are :) SATA is basically SCSI with ATA something
[05:33] <Erin> escott, oh yea?
[05:34] <Erin> cd /hd2
[05:34] <Erin> ls/FUCK
[05:34] <Erin> im not doing good with the 2 keyboard setup ;-\
[05:37] <rinzler> Erin: I never do well with two keyboards at the same time :P
[05:37] <coolstar> anyone else notice errors on virtualbox.org?
[05:37] <escott> Erin, im rather fuzzy on all this but there is a difference between the scsi connector (Which is the physical connector and electrical connectivity standards) and the scsi protocol which is how to talk to the disk over that electrical connection. SATA uses a SATA connector and a SCSI type command protocol so the kernel uses the SCSI drivers
[05:38] <nhanth91> how to bring messaging indicator back to Xubuntu 12.10?
[05:38] <Flynsarmy> Erin, rinzler What you need is one keyboard with two people NCIS style
[05:39] <escott> Flynsarmy, then she can ENHANCE
[05:40] <idefix> there's a weird error in my Evolution Mail, it says: <bold>Inbox(57)</bold> but when I click on it it displays no messages, what could be the problem?
[05:41] <Erin> rinzler, yea I usually use SSH w/ x forwarding on my gaming machine to control my linux box and avoid the 2 KB situation
[05:41] <rinzler> Erin: that sounds like it'd work...
[05:41] <Erin> rinzler, it works well :-)
[05:42] <zerowaitstate> coolstar: yeah, 12.10 uses the new xorg which is not supported in VB yet
[05:43] <zerowaitstate> coolstar:  they say it is, but video acceleration does not work
[05:43] <coolstar> zerowaitstate: I'm talkin about their website :P
[05:43] <zerowaitstate> oh, lol
[05:43] <escott> Erin, how SCSI is SATA or the reverse or something ...http://virtualvenesect.com/2011/08/12/converting-a-servers-scsi-backplane-to-use-sata-drives/
[05:44] <zerowaitstate> coolstar: is it a picture of Larry Ellison eating a hotdog and suing Linux companies?
[05:45] <coolstar> zerowaitstate: it's a bunch of python errors
[05:46] <SwedeMike> escott: SAS controllers/backplanes can use SATA drives.  Also, in linux, quite a lot of IDE/SATA drivers are in the SCSI subsystem nowadays.
[05:46] <andreb> morning all
[05:46] <andreb> how can i upgrade ubuntu 10.04 lts to 12.04 lts via the command line ?
[05:47] <gms> moo
[05:47] <SwedeMike> andreb: sudo do-release-upgrade.
[05:47] <escott> SwedeMike, yeah Erin had asked about it earlier... i just get fuzzy with what subset of the SCSI command system is incorporated in the SATA standard
[05:48] <SwedeMike> escott: well, I guess one could say NCQ is inherited from SCSI... but yeah, I don't know the details either.
[05:48] <andreb> swedemike can you post a link where i can read up on it..
[05:49] <escott> SwedeMike, well evidently the guy in the linked article managed to convert the electrical connectors of a SCSI controller to SATA pins and it was somehow usable..
[05:49] <escott> SwedeMike, so it has to be real close
[05:49] <Erin> escott, man that dude is pretty smart, id never have pulled that off and my soldering skill is novice at best.
[05:49] <SwedeMike> andreb: ok, what I'll do is google for "sudo do-release-upgrade" (including quotes) where the third hit for me is "http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-04-from-ubuntu-10-04-via-the-terminal/"
[05:49] <escott> !upgrade | andre
[05:49] <escott> !upgrade | andreb
[05:50] <SwedeMike> escott: SAS and SATA are closely related, yes. SAS controllers implement full support for SATA. SAS drives do not implement support for SATA however, so you can't use SAS drives with a SATA controller.
[05:52] <Erin> is SAS faster than SATA ?
[05:52] <Erin> ive seen the drives on newegg etc and they are wicked expensive.
[05:52] <Flynsarmy> SAS just lets you run a bunch of SATA drives with the one cable. is that the main benefit/difference?
[05:55] <SwedeMike> Flynsarmy: no. advantage of SAS is it gives you a very flexible way of attaching storage (tape drives, hdd:s) with redundancy, you can build rings for redundancy etc.
[05:55] <Erin> what is a tape drive anyway lol ?
[05:55] <SwedeMike> SAS is built for enterprise demands for high availability, high IOPS etc, whereas SATA is built fo be cheap.
[05:55] <escott> Erin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_attached_SCSI goes over some of the differences
[05:56] <zerowaitstate> also, SAS drives tend to implement more complete command sets, such as secure erase, etc
[05:56] <ActionParsnip> Erin: we use tapes where I work, lamefest
[05:56] <Erin>  tape just sounds slow to me
[05:56] <zerowaitstate> don't knock tape
[05:56] <escott> Erin, there are also things like an enterprise disk when it encounters and error has firmware that fails the read immediately counting on the RAID controller to fix things up
[05:56] <escott> Erin, consumer SATA will sit there and reread until the cows come home if it thinks it can get a good read of the data
[05:57] <SwedeMike> tape is good for long term offsite storage etc, also an enterprise requirement.
[05:57] <Erin> escott, yea ive seen it do that on failing drives, pretty stupid
[05:57] <ActionParsnip> Erin: we have tape drives that do about 4Mb/s. Works well.
[05:57] <luffy> I  just check the connect
[05:57] <Erin> ActionParsnip, 4Mb/s is very slow though?
[05:57] <escott> Erin, that rereading is a good thing if thats the only copy of your wedding video though... so different users different needs
[05:57] <Erin> im backing up a drive using DD @ 95 MB/S right now.
[05:58] <luffy> 4Mb is OK
[05:58] <Erin> its slow ;-P
[05:58] <Ozera> Is  /etc/lilo.conf not on ubuntu either?
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> Erin: runs overnight so we have time :), tape change at about 4pm then let it run again
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> Ozera: you can use lilo if you desire
[05:58] <zerowaitstate> at work we back up to LTO-5 tape at around 1 GB/min
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> zerowaitstate: same :)
[05:58] <Erin> but why bother with tape, wont a standard HD last almost forever if its not in use ?
[05:59] <Ozera> Nah it's just it's part of this article I am reading
[05:59] <bkc_> Erin: most likely company regulations
[05:59] <MK``> Does anyone know the name of the sticky notes application from 10.04? I just upgraded from that and it's gone, can't remember the name.
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> Erin: stuff like off site backups and such you can ship tapes off
[05:59] <Andrea_Avea> Hello guys newbie here
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> atleast easier than a bunch of hard drives =)
[05:59] <Erin> But you can ship an HD ...
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> Andrea_Avea: welcome to Ubuntu
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> Erin: ^^
[05:59] <Ozera> "The logs on your system are your way of knowing what is, and has been going on. Logs are located in /var/log. " What logs would I be monitoring?
[05:59] <Erin> oh, are these tapes small ?
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> Erin: yes
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> Erin: 750Mb
[05:59] <bkc_> Erin: they're small and not as heavy as hdds
[06:00] <Erin> I meant small in size, but they are small in capacity also ?
[06:00] <ActionParsnip> Erin: sorry, Gb
[06:00] <Erin> ahh.
[06:00] <zerowaitstate> our tapes are 1.5 terabytes
[06:00] <rinzler> anyone know how to make xrandr make the right monitor the primary monitor?
[06:00] <zerowaitstate> compressed; 750 GB actual
[06:00] <SwedeMike> tape backups are good for multi-generation incremental backups, you move them offsite for long term storage, some are designed for tens of years of shelf life.
[06:00] <Erin> and do tapes get formatted just like HDs ?
[06:00] <zerowaitstate> erin, no tape formating is different
[06:00] <bkc_> Erin: no
[06:00] <SolarisBoy> Erin: they are sequentially read and written
[06:00] <bkc_> it's basically a tar-file...
[06:01] <SolarisBoy> yep
[06:01] <Erin> I know what sequentially means
[06:01] <Erin> OH
[06:01] <Erin> so its like an archive...
[06:01] <zerowaitstate> yup
[06:01] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: Would you know the answer to my question?
[06:01] <ActionParsnip> Erin: they can be, most days you'll just scratch it and the tape will be marked overwritable so will start at the beginning
[06:01] <bkc_> tar.gz + tape == awesome :3
[06:01] <SwedeMike> Erin: http://gsysd.com/articles/a-comparison-of-disk-v-tape-in-a-backup-system.html seems to dweel quite deeply into the subject.
[06:01] <ActionParsnip> Erin: tar = (t)ape (ar)chive
[06:01] <MK``> Ah nevermind, I found the file it uses.
[06:02] <Erin> I love this channel lol, came to figure out why I couldnt mount a drive got an education in scsi and tapes ;-p
[06:02] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: what question?
[06:02] <StormTwo> blablablabla
[06:02] <StormTwo> LOOOL
[06:02] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: "The logs on your system are your way of knowing what is, and has been going on. Logs are located in /var/log. " What logs would I be monitoring?
[06:02] <StormTwo> Glans
[06:02] <Ozera> since there are A LOT
[06:02] <SolarisBoy> although a lot of people do backup to disk then tape in a lot of cases
[06:03] <Erin> Ozera, there are all kinds of logs lol do ls -l /var/log
[06:03] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: it depends on what your looking for
[06:03] <rsv> I want to keep my home directory in a seperate partition, how do i do it?
[06:03] <rsv> how much space i need to reserve for default ubuntu
[06:03] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: Merh, I don't know what I am looking for. What is important to look for?
[06:03] <Erin> rsv, when you format the disk you just make / on one partition /home on another
[06:03] <Erin> rsv, id say 10-15gb to be safe...
[06:03] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: /var/log is the common location of system logs and other application logs as well - e.g. a base install basically logs most things there, and when you install new apps, they generally log their stuff there as well
[06:03] <Ozera> Erin: I know. There are many many
[06:04] <rsv> Erin: for default ubuntu?
[06:04] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: ok.
[06:04] <Erin> rsv, yea im on 12.10 and my / uses under 4 gB with xfce gui lol
[06:04] <rsv> Erin: will it ask me if i re-install ubuntu
[06:04] <StormTwo> my glans said ok
[06:04] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: again it depends on what your looking for. eg you may be interested in syslog, messages, kern.log for stuff concerning the system
[06:04] <rsv> Erin: i also have windows in my disk
[06:04] <Erin> rsv, yes it will, tell it to setup partitions on your disk. and make / and /home on seperate partitions
[06:04] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: can you explain kern.log?
[06:04] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: or you may reference auth.log for things concerning authentication etc - so as stated it really depends
[06:04] <Erin> rsv, manually that is.
[06:04] <blackshirt> rsv: for default desktop or server system ?
[06:05] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: that sounds important.
[06:05] <rsv> Erin: when u say manually what is it
[06:05] <rsv> blackshirt: my desktop system
[06:05] <Phibs> having issues with 12.10 & samba: http://pastie.org/5187437
[06:05] <Erin> rsv, its an option in the setup, when you get to the partitioning section you tell it that you are gonna do it manually
[06:05] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: simply put there are different "parts" of the system that log in linux or atleast with syslog/rsyslog, they are broken into groups
[06:05] <rsv> okay thanks
[06:05] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: ok
[06:05] <Erin> rsv, then you tell it to make one for / about 10gb to be safe id say and one for /home and /swap thats all you need
[06:05] <blackshirt> rsv, more big compared to default server install, its about 10GB or more was safe enought
[06:06] <rsv> how much for swap?
[06:06] <SolarisBoy> Erin: kern.log is messages coming from kern.* (i forget if its all levels of kernel messages or what) but anyway its kernel messages or message that log into the kernel facility
[06:06] <Erin> rsv, how much ram you got ?
[06:06] <Erin> SolarisBoy, yea thats kernel messages..
[06:06] <Erin> SolarisBoy, also check out /var/log/syslog
[06:06] <blackshirt> rsv, commonly twices of ram you have
[06:06] <rsv> cat /proc/meminfo shows: 16451508 kB
[06:06] <StormTwo> kiss my glans
[06:06] <SolarisBoy> Erin: thanks, i was aware =)
[06:07] <Erin> StormTwo, get a girlfriend
[06:07] <SolarisBoy> lol
[06:07] <Erin> and grow up also.
[06:08] <rsv> Erin: is there an app to check how much is my ram
[06:08] <SolarisBoy> free @ rsv
[06:08] <rsv> i dont belive i got 16gb
[06:08] <rsv> SolarisBoy: what are you saying?
[06:09] <SolarisBoy> rsv: it also shows in top and in the meminfo file (its just in kb)
[06:09] <SolarisBoy> rsv: the command is "free" or "top"
[06:09] <SolarisBoy> rsv: or you can look in meminfo file 'cat /proc/meminfo'
[06:09] <blackshirt> rsv: free -m
[06:09] <Erin>  rsv you forget how much ram u bouught lol ?
[06:10] <rsv> Erin: this one was loaned to me by my boss
[06:10] <rsv> SolarisBoy: 16451508
[06:10] <rsv> SolarisBoy: isnt that 16gb?
[06:10] <SolarisBoy> i guess i didn't do the math =)
[06:10] <SolarisBoy> looks like it
[06:10] <SolarisBoy> or about that..
[06:11] <rsv> Erin: accordingly you want me to have a 32gb swap?
[06:11] <jackson_> wassup?
[06:11] <SolarisBoy> you really dont need to rsv
[06:11] <Erin> nah
[06:11] <Erin> id say 8gb is plenty
[06:11] <SolarisBoy> unless you run a huge db or app that has that type of requirement
[06:11] <rsv> Erin: 8gb of swap
[06:11] <SolarisBoy> rsv: how much swap is shown as used now in the "top" command?
[06:11] <Erin> rsv, 8gb should be plenty swap is hardly ever used anyway its when ram gets full I believe
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <FloodBot1> StormTwo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:12] <rsv> swap: 4193276k
[06:12] <SolarisBoy> rsv: is that the used or available?
[06:12] <rsv> total
[06:12] <SolarisBoy> look at whats used out of that rsv
[06:13] <SolarisBoy> eg look at the usage on a normal basis - its probably not a lot unless you have some production apps running or something lol
[06:13] <SolarisBoy> 8gb is fine - its probably still alot
[06:13] <Erin> SolarisBoy, isnt swap only used when ram is full anyway ?
[06:13] <SolarisBoy> Erin: no
[06:14] <SolarisBoy> the system uses swap in other situations as well
[06:14] <rsv> SolarisBoy: Erin: my usage: http://pastebin.ca/2248429
[06:14] <StormTwo> my ubuntu computer sucks -_-
[06:15] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: bet mine's worse :)
[06:15] <SolarisBoy> rsv: its not really using a lot at all
[06:15] <rsv> okay guys, let me give it 4gb
[06:15] <rsv> and let me try
[06:15] <rsv> thanks
[06:15] <StormTwo> ActionParsnip: how bad is yours?
[06:15] <ActionParsnip> Erin: swap use is dictated a lot by vm.swappines :)
[06:15] <SolarisBoy> yeps
[06:16] <SolarisBoy> mines is at 10 =)
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: single core semp 3000+ with 2Gb DDR2 and onboard nvidia 6150 256Mb
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: 1.6Ghz
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: thats my best system I own
[06:16] <andreb> trying to upgrade and this is the erorr i get
[06:16] <StormTwo> ActionParsnip: well that's better than mine -_-
[06:16] <andreb> raceback (most recent call last):
[06:16] <andreb>   File "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade", line 10, in <module>
[06:16] <andreb>     from UpdateManager.Core.DistUpgradeFetcherCore import DistUpgradeFetcherCore
[06:16] <andreb>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/UpdateManager/Core/DistUpgradeFetcherCore.py", line 34, in <module>
[06:16] <andreb>     import GnuPGInterface
[06:16] <FloodBot1> andreb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:16] <Erin> ActionParsnip, yea id throw that machine out if I had it lol!!!
[06:16] <andreb> ImportError: No module named GnuPGInterface
[06:16] <SolarisBoy> uh oh
[06:17] <Erin> ActionParsnip, infact I did throw a similar one out recently haha.
[06:18] <ActionParsnip> Erin: what you got?
[06:18] <Erin> my 'buntu machine is an i3 550. my gaming machine is an i5 3750k
[06:18] <Erin> both heavily oc'd w/ 8gb of ram
[06:18] <BoomerBile> Erin, why aren't they the same box?
[06:19] <rinzler> how do I get to the aditional drivers settings?
[06:19] <rinzler> I used to be able to get right to them, but I can't find them in the menus anymore
[06:19] <Erin> BoomerBile, ?
[06:19] <idefix> where is the Evolution folder?
[06:19] <BoomerBile> Erin, my gaming machine and my ... well i don't run ubuntu unless it's on a laptop... are the same machine
[06:19] <d1rkp1tt> Hi All, I cant get vnc4server working on ubuntu 12.10 and am ready to throw away that desktop now.. sad cause I have grown  to like unity... Anyone know a decent replacement desktop and the commands to install it?
[06:19] <Erin> BoomerBile, one is a gaming machine, i5 3570k w/ nvidia gtx 670
[06:19] <SolarisBoy> rinzler: im on 12.04 i opened the lens search thing and typed additional hardware and the icon shows
[06:19] <coolstar> How do I turn on the VNC server in ubuntu 12.10?
[06:19] <Erin> because I must run windows for most games I play.....
[06:20] <ActionParsnip> Erin: I don't think I have 8Gb RAM in all my systems combined :)
[06:20] <andreb> sorry for the flood
[06:20] <rinzler> SolarisBoy: yeah, but I'm on an entirely different desktop than that. Not gonna work for me
[06:20] <BoomerBile> Erin, mine is a gentoo box core 2 quad q6600 with all nvidia chipset and nvidia geforce 250 gts... but my point is my gaming box is linux.
[06:20] <Erin> ActionParsnip, you could get a decent upgrade from that "system" for very cheap ;-P
[06:20] <Erin> BoomerBile, well no offense but you call that a gaming box ? :-)
[06:21] <ActionParsnip> Erin: true but its working, I'll upgrade when it dies
[06:21] <SolarisBoy> rinzler: ah ic
[06:21] <BoomerBile> Erin why wouldn't I? what can't i play on it?
[06:21] <d1rkp1tt> The thing with the default vnc, is I cant set it to a resolution on the fly, AND I havent been able to get it to login outside of my network...
[06:21] <Erin> BoomerBile, anything recent on maxed out settings w/ AA or even on high settings ;-P
[06:21] <BoomerBile> Erin, want screen shots of xfce4 running skyrim and steam?
[06:21] <d1rkp1tt> vnc4server works a treat in 12.4 , but no longer since unity-2d is removed
[06:21] <d1rkp1tt> so... time for a new desktop
[06:21] <BoomerBile> crysis 2?
[06:21] <BoomerBile> maxed out?
[06:21] <Erin> BoomerBile, ahh skyrim sucks fallout 3 /NV for the win.
[06:21] <BoomerBile> how about halo?
[06:22] <Erin> maxed out on a gtx 250 ?
[06:22] <SolarisBoy> BoomerBile: id like to see =) that stuff is cool
[06:22] <BoomerBile> wine is awesome and it's not hard to use
[06:22] <Erin> yea but ur not running skyrim maxed out with a 250 lol
[06:22] <Erin> who you trying to fool ?
[06:22] <d1rkp1tt> Thought this was am ubuntu support channel
[06:22] <BoomerBile> yeah i am
[06:22] <d1rkp1tt> this is everything BUT
[06:22] <BoomerBile> here let me get you the screenies
[06:22] <BoomerBile> taken with ksnapshot
[06:22] <Erin> at what
[06:22] <Erin> 10 fps ?
[06:22] <mangoz> Erin gets quick help , but when i need it no one wana help me  :(
[06:22] <BoomerBile> 90
[06:23] <coolstar> !offtopic | Erin, BoomerBile
[06:23] <Erin> no way bro.
[06:23] <Erin> stop trolling.
[06:23] <StormTwo> If slenderman is real he will smash my head on this keyboardsaudfysgfuygeasiry27893t5rse89dfsw[p[df
[06:23] <ActionParsnip> Erin: plays flash fullscreen at regular def and plays Urban terror just dandy
[06:23] <Erin> mangoz, what is your issue ?
[06:23] <coolstar> !ot | StormTwo
[06:24] <rinzler> what's the command to get to the aditional drivers settings?
[06:24] <rinzler> SolarisBoy: thanks anyways :)
[06:24] <Erin> rinzler, you can use jockey-gtk
[06:24] <StormTwo> coolstar: what do you mean? i dun understand what you're talking about
[06:24] <coolstar> anyone know how to turn on screen sharing on ubuntu 12.10?
[06:24] <SolarisBoy> rinzler: yw ;>
[06:24] <ActionParsnip> rinzler: what GPU are you using?
[06:25] <mangoz> Erin: nevermind
[06:25] <coolstar> !vnc
[06:25] <ActionParsnip> rinzler: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers   if you want it over WAN then use the link ubottu gave. There may be a sleeker solution to what you are trying to achieve
[06:26] <rinzler> ActionParsnip: ? not looking for vnc info...?
[06:26] <wavm> hello all, can we install freeradius on 12.04 desktop? will it work?
[06:27] <ActionParsnip> coolstar: ^
[06:27] <ActionParsnip> rinzler: sorry, wrong target
[06:27] <ActionParsnip> rinzler: what GPU are you using?
[06:27] <JeffTheKiller> Go To Sleep.
[06:28] <coolstar> ActionParsnip: I just want over local network
[06:29] <rinzler> ActionParsnip: ah. it's cool. All i remember is nvidia. I remember getting the drivers through the additional drivers program (whatever you call it...). My endgame is getting the nvidia xserver settings
[06:29] <ActionParsnip> coolstar: then SSH isn't needed, what are you wanting to do on the remote system once you get connected?
[06:30] <ActionParsnip> rinzler: then just install nvidia-current   no need for an extra app etc :)
[06:30] <rinzler> ActionParsnip: awesome! Thanks!
[06:30] <DeathStar>  Does anyone know if there is a way of listing older versions with apt-get ? kind of like ArchLinux pacman -Ss?
[06:30] <coolstar> ActionParsnip: open windows, etc
[06:30] <coolstar> ActionParsnip: basically normal VNC
[06:31] <coolstar> it used to be under System Preferences > Remote Desktop back on 10.10
[06:31] <bluntman> my sound stopped - the only thing i did was run tiger, that wouldn't change permissions, would it?
[06:32] <DeathStar> im trying to install an old version of VLC and it seems to be a bitch as if you cant use the package manager you have to compile ffmpeg and all kind of other horrible stuff
[06:32] <DeathStar> anyone know a faster way of doing that?
[06:33] <coolstar> !language | DeathStar
[06:33] <Erin> DeathStar, why do you need an old version of vlc ?
[06:33] <ActionParsnip> coolstar: but to achieve what? If you want remote file access you can use samba or SSHFS and get file access, no need for full desktop access for that
[06:33] <coolstar> ActionParsnip: I need to open some apps that I cant otherwise use on my tablet
[06:33] <DeathStar> Erin: the newer versions of one of the flash codecs doesn't work with a particular type of flash encoding
[06:34] <ActionParsnip> coolstar: ahh tablets, good fun. Makes sense
[06:34] <Erin> DeathStar, flash needs to DIE
[06:34] <Erin> DeathStar, flash needs to DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!
[06:34] <StormThree> CATS
[06:35] <DeathStar> Erin: it has something to do with the On2 VP6 variant of the codec
[06:36] <DeathStar> Erin: all my RHCE material is in that format and i'm having to watch it on my mac ;D
[06:36] <Erin> rhce ?
[06:36] <SolarisBoy> red hat cert
[06:36] <DeathStar> redhat certified engineer
[06:36] <DeathStar> but yeah redhat cert
[06:36] <SolarisBoy> DeathStar: you can compile the version you want
[06:37] <DeathStar> SolarisBoy: I looked into that, and VLC has a wild amount of dependancies that have to be re-compiled as well
[06:37] <SolarisBoy> DeathStar: you can do a cheat that sometimes works for me
[06:37] <FlAPjack> Hi.
[06:37] <DeathStar> do share plz
[06:37] <FlAPjack> I'm new to Ubuntu
[06:37] <ActionParsnip> DeathStar: does it not fly with gnome-mplayer?
[06:37] <ActionParsnip> FlAPjack: welcome to ubuntu
[06:37] <andreb> guys can anyone help me with this error
[06:37] <andreb> http://pastebin.ca/2248430
[06:37] <SolarisBoy> DeathStar: apt-get build-dep first then do the compile
[06:37] <DeathStar> it used to
[06:37] <andreb> >?
[06:38] <FlAPjack> Can you introduce me to Ubuntu please?
[06:38] <ActionParsnip> andreb: try:   sudo apt-get --reinstall install python2.6
[06:38] <ActionParsnip> !manual | FlAPjack
[06:39] <FlAPjack> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[06:39] <Stryker> andreb: try to find GnuPGInterface in synaptic, maybe
[06:39] <FlAPjack> le
[06:40] <ActionParsnip> FloodBot1: I advise you just use the OS and get a feel for it
[06:40] <DeathStar> anyone else here find that getting drunk helps your command line skills go up?
[06:40] <SolarisBoy> DeathStar: it degrades mine =)
[06:41] <ActionParsnip> DeathStar: oh god no. I end up hammering TAB shouting "It's a thing! do what I say"
[06:41] <andreb> did a bare isntall so i dont have synaptic install.. and python is already upto date
[06:41] <ActionParsnip> andreb: reinstalling the package may help
[06:41] <DeathStar> SolarisBoy: I just kind of accept the commands instead of questioning why have a -E instead of a -e when all the other commands for that package are lower case and thats the only uppercase
[06:41] <andreb> i did
[06:41] <Erin> ActionParsnip, I might have a machine I can mail you lol
[06:41] <andreb> reisntall it
[06:41] <andreb> let me tyr to upgrade again
[06:41] <SolarisBoy> DeathStar: haha - the man page generally helps for that
[06:41] <DeathStar> SolarisBoy: as long as you can find your anykey your good
[06:42] <andreb> still the same error
[06:42] <SolarisBoy> most times cause they have some many dang args they already used the -e
[06:42] <DeathStar> yeah
[06:42] <andreb> is tehre a way to see if gnupgiinterface is install via command line ?
[06:42] <DeathStar> I need to get my bash scripting up a little, i'm pretty good with perl but not so much with bash
[06:42] <SolarisBoy> it sounds like its a python module andreb
[06:42] <andreb> hrm
[06:42] <ActionParsnip> andreb: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1767358.html
[06:43] <ActionParsnip> DeathStar: the guys in #bash may know a few useful links
[06:43] <SolarisBoy> and it sounds like it would come in the default python base but im not sure - thats probably why ActionParsnip said reinstall python2.6 =)
[06:43] <Erin> ActionParsnip, what did you say ur using, single core sempron ?
[06:43] <SolarisBoy> DeathStar: good with perl but not with bash? you will probably do good by just trying then
[06:43] <ActionParsnip> Erin: gonna get me a fitpc when it croaks, or some other tiny PC box thing
[06:43] <ActionParsnip> Erin: yeah AM2 cocket 1.6Ghz
[06:44] <Erin> ActionParsnip, I think I got an Athlon 6400 or something in the basement collecting dust
[06:44] <Erin> and spiders ;-P
[06:45] <andreb> i tried to install the package and got this http://pastebin.ca/2248431
[06:45] <SolarisBoy> spiders like computers for some reason
[06:46] <andreb> should i force isntall the package ?
[06:47] <alocer> andreb: fix the broken packages first
[06:47] <alocer> andreb: then install the dependencies
[06:47] <andreb> k..
[06:48] <andreb> dumb question ..how can i fix those borken packages ?
[06:49] <SolarisBoy> andreb: you can try apt-get install -f
[06:49] <alocer> andreb: run apt-get with "-f"
[06:49] <alocer> andreb: try apt-get --help
[06:50] <dsprc> how do i give unprivileged users acess to the mouse from the virtual console?
[06:50] <ActionParsnip> andreb: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:50] <dsprc> gpm works fine for the fbcon but SDL programs that need a pointing device do not
[06:50] <ActionParsnip> andreb: (I like to give the full command)
[06:51] <SolarisBoy> oops put the -f backwards
[06:51] <SolarisBoy> ;>
[06:51] <almoxarife> andreb: are you trying to update from ppa sourced packages?
[06:51] <andreb> i am trying to upgrade from 10.04 lts to 12.04 lts
[06:51] <andreb> action :)
[06:53] <andreb> guys teh sudo apt-get install -f doesnt seem to fix teh broken packages
[06:54] <dina_> hello
[06:55] <dina_> i am new to ubuntu and I am a normal user
[06:55] <dina_> not a programmer i just prefer it on windows
[06:55] <almoxarife> andreb: http://pastebin.ca/2248433 <-- look at the bottom of the paste, did you follow something along those lines?
[06:56] <dina_> i am looking for a software that works as real player
[06:56] <ActionParsnip> dina_: look for helix player
[06:56] <dina_> i want to be able to save videos from youtube and convert the video to mp3
[06:56] <CosmicStorm> andreb try with: sudo dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq
[06:57] <dsprc> dina_: vlc also plays realmedia files. youtube-dl is a cli program that will pull the videos from yt and then you can covert them to audio via ffmpeg
[06:57] <SolarisBoy> dina_: there is also a program called youtube-dl that works on the command line with one argument, the link to the youtube video, extra arguments will extract the audio or video stream only to a file of your choice
[06:57] <WeThePeople> dina_, what browser you using
[06:57] <andreb> yes i did alm
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> dina_: why bother there is a site taht does that for you
[06:58] <dina_> firefox
[06:58] <dina_> which site?
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> dina_: www.video2mp3.net/
[06:58] <almoxarife> andreb: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <CosmicStorm> dina try also with downverter
[06:59] <dina_> thank you
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> dina_: http://www.youtube-mp3.org
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> dina_: no need for extra software and messing around when the functionality already exists
[06:59] <BadThing> hi. is it possible to keep the ubuntu version but upgrade just the kernel?
[06:59] <rinzler> does anyone know how to use the Griffin Power Mate with 12.10?
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> dina_: OS independant too
[07:00] <dina_> thank you very much i will go try it
[07:00] <CosmicStorm> sure BadThing
[07:00] <brandon420> is there anyway to make my screen saver not turn on when i am watching a fullscreen movie?
[07:00] <ActionParsnip> BadThing: using a kernel from another release isn't advised or supported, but you are free to do as you please
[07:00] <dsprc> BadThing: sure. just install your kernel.
[07:00] <SolarisBoy> brandon420: what movie player are you using?
[07:00] <BadThing> CosmicStorm: i want to keep my ubuntu 8.04 but upgrade just the kernel (to the latest supported) because I dont have much HD space
[07:00] <CosmicStorm> brandon420 try caffeine
[07:00] <BadThing> ok thanks
[07:01] <andreb> k almox
[07:02] <almoxarife> BadThing: you are wanting the most current kernel on an old machine?
[07:03] <BadThing> almoxarife: its not that old
[07:03] <andreb> almoxarife : http://pastebin.com/uEtg8iba
[07:03] <BadThing> but yeah
[07:04] <BadThing> i dont like the newer ubuntus... especially the DE
[07:04] <CosmicStorm> what version are you running BadThing?
[07:04] <BadThing> 8.04
[07:04] <almoxarife> BadThing: xorg-edgers ppa, install it, what ever the kernel is that shows up is the one that your version will be able to use
[07:04] <CosmicStorm> kernel version i mean
[07:04] <BadThing> oh, im not sure, im on another machine
[07:04] <CosmicStorm> k
[07:04] <george_kamp> Just installed 12.04 LTS.  Screen said it needed to reboot.  Pulled CD, rebooted into Windows 7.  Rebooted and selected F12, which showed me options to boot from my HD or DVD.  Choosing HD took me straight to Windows 7 again.  Please help.
[07:05] <Jordan_U> BadThing: Have you tried Xubuntu 12.04 or 12.10?
[07:05] <alocer> xfce \m/
[07:05] <BadThing> no i dont like xfce
[07:06] <andreb> almoxarife ??
[07:06] <BadThing> i want to keep my old nome
[07:06] <CosmicStorm> i guess you're using Gnome 2?
[07:06] <BadThing> yea
[07:06] <alocer> he can install it on 12.04 right ?
[07:06] <almoxarife> andreb: what?
[07:06] <CosmicStorm> george_kamp did you see grub menu?
[07:06] <andreb> i paste what my soruce.list file has
[07:07] <N03L> Hey guys
[07:07] <george_kamp> CosmicStorm: no grub menu at all
[07:07] <BadThing> alocer: what is the 12.X versions foot print after a fresh install?
[07:07] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | george_kamp
[07:07] <CosmicStorm> just Windows MRB, right?
[07:08] <alocer> BadThing: sry ! footprint ?
[07:08] <almoxarife> andreb: i did not see any ppa shown, so that is not effecting the upgrade, something else is wrong, not sure what
[07:08] <brandon420> SolarisBoy, VLC
[07:08] <brandon420> CosmicStorm, sarcasm?
[07:09] <andreb> cant seem to get around this problem
[07:09] <BadThing> alocer: how much space does it take up on the hardrive? ubuntu8.04 was around ~4GB
[07:09] <CosmicStorm> just want to be sure how he boot into windows again
[07:09] <george_kamp> ubottu: that is a bash script.  I can't get to Ubuntu.
[07:09] <CosmicStorm> i guess that he need to repair grub
[07:10] <alocer> BadThing: i read somewhere that 4GB is too much for 12.x le me look
[07:10] <almoxarife> andreb: there are two apps shown, install them first
[07:10] <Jordan_U> george_kamp: Can you boot from a LiveCD/USB?
[07:10] <alocer> BadThing: 3.7GB
[07:10] <almoxarife> andreb: in your first paste, gvfs and plymouth
[07:11] <BadThing> oh thats not bad
[07:11] <SolarisBoy> brandon420: its in the vlc settings
[07:11] <CosmicStorm> si alguien necesita ayuda en español puede preguntarme
[07:11] <SolarisBoy> brandon420: choose the advanced settings view, and then go to the video section you will see "disable screensaver" ticket it and click "save"
[07:11] <george_kamp> Jordan_U: I can boot from a kubuntu 12.10 DVD
[07:11] <ActionParsnip> BadThing: my 12.04 is about 3Gb big
[07:11] <alocer> BadThing: Not at all ;)
[07:12] <Jordan_U> george_kamp: That will work.
[07:12] <brandon420> SolarisBoy, Thank you sir
[07:12] <SolarisBoy> brandon420: your welcome ;>
[07:13] <george_kamp> Jordan_U: thanks.  will give that a try
[07:13] <BadThing> thanks alocer, i think will just get ubuntu12.10 with gnome3 :)
[07:14] <BadThing> i cant stand unity
[07:14] <N03L> I'm sort of new to the whole ubuntu/linux thing, and was just wondering, what could u do witht the terminal?
[07:14] <BadThing> and its web app crap
[07:14] <alocer> u can get the old gnome too
[07:14] <alocer> dont worry
[07:14] <Jordan_U> georgehank: You're welcome.
[07:14] <BadThing> alocer: i love gnome and the newer ones, i just hate unity thats all
[07:14] <BadThing> and all those web apps... i think they are completely unnecesarry
[07:14] <SolarisBoy> N03L: most of the things you can do in a terminal - command line is a strong point in linux based distros
[07:14] <alocer> BadThing: lol
[07:15] <alocer> BadThing: +1
[07:15] <BadThing> ^-^
[07:15] <MK``> This is not a channel to remind us how bad unity is, BadThing. Keep it to support :P
[07:15] <SolarisBoy> N03L: meant to say most things you can do in a gui you can do in a terminal
[07:15] <CosmicStorm> :true story: Badthing
[07:15] <Jordan_U> BadThing: If you like GNOME Shell that's easy to install.
[07:16] <dsprc> N03L, SolarisBoy: and a lot of things possible from the terminal are not as easily done from the gui
[07:16] <N03L> So far I've only learned how to use IRC, and move a few files here and there. I've tried learning how to setup/view email/gmail via terminal, but didn't work out too well.
[07:16] <SolarisBoy> exactly
[07:16] <SolarisBoy> like automation and such
[07:16] <N03L> What do you guys suggest I learn as a beginner?
[07:17] <SolarisBoy> N03L: it depends on you - learning the command line is a good idea for a linux based os user
[07:17] <CosmicStorm> wow, Richard Stallman is following me on identi.ca
[07:17] <BadThing> xD
[07:17] <CosmicStorm> :')
[07:17] <SolarisBoy> N03L: look into alpine if you want a terminal based email client that you can setup gmail with
[07:17] <dsprc> N03L: for email you can try alpine, it is pretty straight forward
[07:17] <ActionParsnip> N03L: or mutt
[07:18] <dsprc> CosmicStorm: now dent something about "open source" and "linux"
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> you can use twitter with twidge if you want :)
[07:19] <ActionParsnip> more CLI love
[07:19] <SolarisBoy> and there is also google-cl that you can access google apps with =)
[07:19] <SolarisBoy> extra love !
[07:20] <N03L> Thanks fellas, very helpful. Should keep me busy for my holidays.
[07:20] <SolarisBoy> N03L: it also makes you look cooler around company
[07:21] <woot-0854> YBook: ur dns is cool
[07:21] <dsprc> N03L: if you really wanna burn time in a shell you can mess around with emacs
[07:22] <SolarisBoy> looks like ipv6
[07:22]  * SolarisBoy stays out of emacs topics
[07:23] <N03L> dsprc: I'll be sure to look into it.
[07:23] <N03L> I'm just trying to be a little more technologically savvy.
[07:23] <N03L> Sort of regret dropping out of multimedia at uni, I was learning quite a bit there.
[07:24] <CosmicStorm> cool, im tryin out Alpine
[07:24] <nyRednek> CosmicStorm: it's nice
[07:24] <CosmicStorm> look at me, im using MOC and Alpine
[07:24] <CosmicStorm> lol
[07:25] <nyRednek> CosmicStorm: just switched from irssi, pine, calcurse to thunderbird, xchat
[07:25] <nyRednek> CosmicStorm: still using bitlbee
[07:25] <CosmicStorm> i like irssi too
[07:26] <CosmicStorm> love to change my ctcp version on irssi
[07:27] <brady> ok.. so ive had a bunch of random crashes, and i came in here and basically described it, random crash, reboot, startup fails , for some reason sometimes i cant see my drive in bios, but after alot of persistance, i can manage to boot, but.. its an unstable thing and i can crash at any moment again. i did a memory test as people suggested, and it failed durring the "random number sequence".  I then tried all four memory cards individually on th
[07:28] <SwedeMike> brady: your line was truncated.
[07:28] <Eagleman> I am trying to change the submission port in postfix from 587 to 25, but i think port 25 is blocked, how can i be sure that it is blocked or not blocked?
[07:28] <almoxarife> brady: your hard drive is toast?
[07:28] <brady> crap.. where was it trunciated at?
[07:28] <SwedeMike> Eagleman: open a shell, do "telnet mailserver 25" and see if you get "connection established". Or just use wireshark to see the packets on the wire.
[07:28] <SolarisBoy> four memory cards individually on th* brady
[07:28] <SwedeMike> brady: "individually on th    "
[07:29] <Eagleman> SwedeMike to which server?
[07:29] <SwedeMike> Eagleman: to whatever you want to connect to.
[07:29] <brady>  I then tried all four memory cards individually on their own in a memory test, and discovered all four produce errors eventually.  What also makes me wonder, is although i bought all of them together about a month ago, i dimly recall that .. I believe but am not sure, i thought the memory actually came in two separate packs of 2.
[07:29] <dsprc> how do i gibe unprivileged users access to the mouse from the virtual console? gpm works fine for the raw fbcon but SDL programs that need a pointing device do not. running them as root works, but probably not a good idea to play games as root...
[07:29] <Eagleman> Like i said, i want to run my own mail server on submission port 25
[07:29] <almoxarife> brady: your hard drive is toast?
[07:29] <dsprc> s/gibe/give
[07:29] <brady>  This makes me wonder how two seperate packages of ram could have manufactures defects that had gone undetected.  is it possible that for some reason there are some bios settings at fault?
[07:30] <Eagleman> Actually its more a relay agent since its pushing all mail to the mail server from my ISP
[07:30] <BadThing> how can you remove all unity tools once gnome3-shell has been installed?
[07:30] <BadThing> sudo apt-get remove unity unity-2d?
[07:30] <brady> why would my hard drive being toast, cause errors in a memory test
[07:30] <SwedeMike> Eagleman: well then, then you need to try to connect to port 25 from the outside, ask a friend or use a shell account elsewhere.
[07:30] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman: is it relaying for clients on your LAN?
[07:30] <SwedeMike> brady: bios memory timings might be the cause as well.
[07:31] <Eagleman> SolarisBoy Also WAN, i want to be able to use mail from anywhere
[07:31] <brady> interesting swedemike
[07:31] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman: do you have a NAT router in front of the mail server?
[07:31] <Eagleman> No
[07:31] <SwedeMike> Eagleman: what's wrong with using 587? we have millions of customers who use 587 to submit email. Port 25 is for MTA to MTA communication, not for MUAs to submit email.
[07:32] <CosmicStorm> is GMX mail working on Alpine?
[07:32] <brady> im unfamiliar with bios memory timings, although im aware that there is a memory section in the bios
[07:32] <Eagleman> The server has a wan address attached on eth1.10
[07:32] <almoxarife> brady: i was under the impression you had passed the memory test, my bad, your memory is toast, your bad
[07:32] <brady> is that typically something where i would enter in the frequency of the memory?
[07:32] <Eagleman> SwedeMike thats what i want, i'm currently using the opposite
[07:32] <osse> Hi, I've made a change to sshd_config and want to restart. How do I do that properly? I was hoping for something like '/etc/init.d/sshd restart' but I can't find anything sshd-related there
[07:32] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman: what type of ISP is it a residential plan or a business/enterprise?
[07:33] <brady> how could all four memory cards fail similtanously?
[07:33] <SolarisBoy> just because it could be them filtering port 25, but like SwedeMike you can trace from outside and see
[07:33] <Eagleman> residential plan, and i think i am already on one of the blacklists and ze spamhaus
[07:33] <brady> doesn't that seem unlikely?
[07:33] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman: do a tcptraceroute <your public ip> 25 from outside your house one day
[07:33] <almoxarife> osse: tried 'sudo service ssh restart' ?
[07:33] <SolarisBoy> or connect to your 3/4g and try
[07:34] <Eagleman> http://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/84.107.203.59
[07:34] <Eagleman> SolarisBoy i am already remote
[07:34] <Eagleman> But i only have windows
[07:34] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman: you have checked that the port is open and etc there on the host right?
[07:34] <osse> almoxarife: I haven't but I think I found the answer: /etc/init./ssh actually controls sshd, not ssh
[07:35] <Eagleman> I will log in on one of the virtual machines and try the tcptraceroute
[07:35] <almoxarife> osse: alrighty then
[07:35] <SolarisBoy> ok
[07:36] <brady> if anyone has any other ideas, speak now or forever hold your peace, as i will restart and start poking around in my bios memory settings to see if anything can be done.  I still find it weird that two sets of memory in individual packaging would all fail at once, and i appreciated the suggestion that it may hae to to with memory timing.
[07:37] <Eagleman7> [08:36] <Eagleman> Looks like i can connect
[07:37] <Eagleman7> [08:36] <Eagleman> I end up at the ip address
[07:38] <Eagleman7>  tcptraceroute 84.107.2**.** 25
[07:38] <SolarisBoy> okay so if the last hop is suffixed by something like [ack] the port is open externally
[07:38] <Eagleman7>  9  *********.cm-12-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl (84.107.2**.**)  11.389 ms  15.560 ms  16.158 ms
[07:39] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman: what are you trying to do? whats the error your facing?
[07:40] <Eagleman7> SolarisBoy trying to change the postfix transmission port from 587 to 25
[07:40] <Eagleman7> But i am not sure if port 25 is blocked becuase i am on the blacklist
[07:40] <Eagleman7> http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL1526778
[07:40] <SolarisBoy> telnet to the mail port from outside and try and do a full mail convo
[07:41] <SolarisBoy> the error code returned should indicate why its not working
[07:41] <Eagleman7> Last time i solved it by using a relayagent
[07:41] <SolarisBoy> hmm...
[07:41] <SolarisBoy> sounds weird.. was the "relay agent" a different ip address?
[07:42] <SolarisBoy> anyway - if your being blocked for spamming chaning the port wont work
[07:43] <mar77i> hm... on many other util-linuces I can cal -m << display calendar horizontally starting on monday. on ubuntu 12.04 it seems to be different. any hints on this anywhere?
[07:45] <Eagleman7> Connected to eagleman.net.
[07:45] <Eagleman7> 220 eagleman.net ESMTP Postfix
[07:45] <pyrokinetic> anyone know somewhere I can find some new linux software in source form? interested in seeing some newish lesser known products to test out, specifically ones I have to compile myself first.
[07:45] <almoxarife> Eagleman7: you are not just running one mail server but two, imap also, take the issue to #linux
[07:45] <dsprc> does this look kosher? ideal/safe solution?  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=848185#p848185
[07:47] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman7: thats just the mail header from an initial connection the actual error would come later like after the HELO/EHLO
[07:47] <jalexandru> Hi, I'm trying to make mod_jk to work with apache and tomcat, but I get an error message when trying to start apache: mod_jk.so No such file, I checked in the apache directory and the file is not there, why is the file not there? from where can I get it?
[07:47] <deper29> dsprc, yeah, I don't see a problem with it
[07:47] <Eagleman7> SolarisBoy i was blocked becuase its a resedential ip address, and the relayagent is from my ISP
[07:47] <SolarisBoy> it depends though i've seen people get blocked and just get connection resets also but w/e i guess its off topic
[07:47] <Eagleman7> So i am just forwarding the mail
[07:48] <SolarisBoy> jalexandru: afaik you need to make/install it unless there is a seperate package for it in the ubuntu repo's or a ppa
[07:49] <SolarisBoy> jalexandru: grr config/make you really dont need to install it much more than copy it in place
[07:49] <Eagleman7> SO what command should i issue on the telnet connection?
[07:49] <mar77i> cal isn't available as additional package. hmm, seems the installed version is from bsdmainutils
[07:50] <jalexandru> SolarisBoy: thanks for the answer, from where can I copy it? I  searched the tomcat-connector folder and haven't find it...? any other place?
[07:50] <almoxarife> Eagleman7: explain to us nice folk one more time why you need FOUR mail servers?
[07:50] <SolarisBoy> jalexandru: have you already built the tomcat-connector ? if so there is a .so file under there (relative to where you typed make) thats the one you need to copy
[07:51] <d1rkp1tt> Has ANYONE, managed to get vnc working on 12.10? not just the default shyte VNC that comes installed
[07:51] <SolarisBoy> jalexandru: if you haven't yet installed mod_jk you need to grab it from the interwebz run configure and make or maybe just make i forget but it does come with a read me
[07:52] <jalexandru> SolarisBoy, thanks for the info
[07:52] <SolarisBoy> jalexandru: i am not sure what your doing but i hear mod_loadbalancer is nice also (if your proxying to tomcat or some other java container)
[07:52] <SolarisBoy> grr mod_proxy =)
[07:52] <Eagleman7> almoxarife I am only running Dovecot and Postfix, and forwading ( relay agent ) the mail to my ISP's mail server, why? becuase i want to use my FQDN's to send and recieve mail
[07:52] <SolarisBoy> that may also be easier to acquire in more stnadard methods
[07:53] <almoxarife> Eagleman7: what ever, its off topic!
[07:53] <SolarisBoy> Eagleman7: try taking a look here http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/smtp.html
[07:53] <SolarisBoy> if you can't complete the convo it will likely give you the reason why in format of the final error code before disconnecting you or you disconnect
[07:54] <dsprc> !tell morphis about away
[07:55] <jalexandru> SolarisBoy, I've missed the "make" step ... I'm back on track now ... thanks again
[07:55] <SolarisBoy> sure
[07:56] <morphis> dsprc: it's my bounce which does this, I am using it not for so long but I will try to change this
[07:57] <d1rkp1tt> Really no one is talking about this? Ive posted on the forums and there is no response... absolutely no reponse here... VNC just flat out does not work with the new Unity! what is everyone else using? anyone upgraded and not finding this an abortion?... (Really like everything else about it btw)
[07:59] <morphis> dsprc: should be better now
[07:59] <almoxarife> d1rkp1tt: may i suggest an alternative? KDE!
[08:00] <SolarisBoy> d1rkp1tt: found this online not sure if it helps or not seems like other people have had the issue: http://kb.realvnc.com/questions/196/VNC+Server+in+Virtual+Mode+does+not+start+correctly+on+Ubuntu+12.04
[08:00] <lhavelund> d1rkp1tt: If it doesn't work, consider filing a ticket upstream.
[08:00] <d1rkp1tt> Thaks both.... I am going to try cinamon
[08:00] <d1rkp1tt> ihavelund... will do.. thanks
[08:01] <SolarisBoy> i see someone got nxviewer working with unity in 2D mode too =)
[08:01] <d1rkp1tt> 12.04 and 12.10 are different..... they removed unity-2d
[08:02] <SolarisBoy> ohh wompwomp =( srry
[08:02] <d1rkp1tt> I dont think NX runs on 12.10
[08:02] <SolarisBoy> sad day
[08:02] <d1rkp1tt> Its super gay
[08:02] <vooze> Anyone have a guide to install full unity, if you installed "gnome-remix" and wanted to try unity again?
[08:02] <d1rkp1tt> awesome desktop that you cant remote
[08:03] <SolarisBoy> =(
[08:03] <d1rkp1tt> actually, default vnc works BUT.... cant set resolution and I have never been able to get it running externally
[08:03] <xangua> vooze: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:04] <vooze> xangua: ah okay, thanks
[08:07] <d1rkp1tt> wholy crap, I cant get rid of desktop haha
[08:07] <d1rkp1tt> how do you remove this thing?
[08:07] <d1rkp1tt> I did
[08:08] <d1rkp1tt> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[08:08] <d1rkp1tt> and apt-get remove unity
[08:08] <d1rkp1tt> still takes me to a login screen
[08:08] <d1rkp1tt> and into desktop
[08:08] <d1rkp1tt> but its blown away menu system
[08:17] <Iceman_B> where is the server channel?
[08:18] <aeon-ltd> Iceman_B: #ubuntu-server
[08:18] <aeon-ltd> who knew huh
[08:18] <MK``> Every time I change the output from speakers to headphones, it reverts back whenever I unplug or even fiddle with my headphones. How can I make it permanently disable the speakers?
[08:19] <skunk> I have ubuntu 12.04, would switching to gnome classic be earier on my netbook graphics wise if Im connected to an external monitor??
[08:19] <skunk> easier**
[08:20] <andreb> alm my upgrade has started
[08:20] <dsprc> ok. that did not work and the pointing device is still only accessible by root... :-/
[08:20] <skunk> i am hoping for a quick answer eh?
[08:21] <Eagleman7> How do i delete my command history?
[08:21] <auronandace> skunk: easier than what?
[08:22] <aeon-ltd> skunk: does gnome classic use compiz? if not then yeah it's slightly lighter than unity
[08:22] <somsip> Eagleman7: rm ~/.bash_history
[08:22] <dsprc> Eagleman7: rm .bash_history && history -c
[08:22] <aeon-ltd> skunk: though frankly gnome and unity are heavy as hell
[08:22] <CrazyHorse18> hey is there anyway of locking down a server so that is next-to impossible to read any of the data off it if you have physical access to the machine and still run a webserver on it
[08:23] <Eagleman7> Which one of the two suggested :P?
[08:23] <CrazyHorse18> i.e. fully encrypt the drive etc
[08:23] <skunk> darnit man.. i dunno if this is an ubuntu problem.. or me hooking up a netbook in general to a high res monitor
[08:23] <Eagleman7> i guess:  rm ~/.bash_history && history -c
[08:23] <skunk> u think windows 8 would cope well with this set up??
[08:24] <aeon-ltd> CrazyHorse18: webserver as in serving webpages? if so then no
[08:24] <CrazyHorse18> yep
[08:24] <aeon-ltd> CrazyHorse18: one directory will have to be readable for that
[08:24] <CrazyHorse18> ok, we're installing an ubuntu server at many schools
[08:24] <CrazyHorse18> we need to lock down the hardware as much as possible
[08:25] <CrazyHorse18> what can we do
[08:25] <CrazyHorse18> assume one of the IT staff at one of the schools has a vested interest in getting at the data on the servers
[08:25] <aeon-ltd> describe what you want to limit on hardware
[08:25] <CrazyHorse18> it runs the web-app that's it
[08:26] <CrazyHorse18> SSH and 443
[08:26] <CrazyHorse18> they can't have terminal, they can't loging
[08:26] <CrazyHorse18> they don't know the password
[08:26] <CrazyHorse18> if the machine reboots, it needs to come back up though (i.e. powerloss)
[08:26] <CrazyHorse18> we can lock down the web-app as much as possible.. + do remote updates to ensure patches etc
[08:27] <aeon-ltd> you can run apache as a different user (this is standard) without actively login in (again this is normal)
[08:27] <CrazyHorse18> but i meant as far as securing things like.. them taking the hard drive out and mounting it in a different machine
[08:27] <CrazyHorse18> aeon-ltd: yeah we run nginx as a different user
[08:27] <aeon-ltd> CrazyHorse18: if they took the hdd out then unless it's encrypted it' always readable
[08:28] <CrazyHorse18> can you have it encrypted but without having to input a password to boot the machine up
[08:28] <dsprc> CrazyHorse18: so you need to also setup some sort of alarm if the chasis is opened. get one that can be locked. epoxy the uneeded ports closed
[08:28] <CrazyHorse18> ohhhh
[08:28] <webgen> hello everyone
[08:28] <CrazyHorse18> dsprc: yes great idea
[08:29] <CrazyHorse18> epoxy everything.. because we wouldn't need anything but network and power
[08:29] <sweb> i put some script on /etc/profile.d/mys.sh ... but it's not run as root user ... i need place to define some variables for whole users on machine
[08:29] <Eagleman7> If you rm a file, will it still exists on the harddrive or is there a parameter to overwrite that sector for so many times?
[08:30] <CrazyHorse18> ok so the only thing they would be able to do
[08:30] <CrazyHorse18> is they would have to cut open the case to get around the case alarm
[08:30] <CrazyHorse18> and then get some ram reading machine to get the encyrption key out the ram
[08:30] <dsprc> Eagleman7: you can use 'srm' it defaults to 35 gutman passes on files
[08:30] <aeon-ltd> CrazyHorse18: what school is this that it is assumed students will break hw?
[08:30] <CrazyHorse18> call - that's hardcore enough
[08:31] <CrazyHorse18> aeon-ltd: the servers are going to be used for distributing exams
[08:31] <aeon-ltd> CrazyHorse18: i doubt they could get the key out after powering down
[08:31] <aeon-ltd> ok
[08:31] <CrazyHorse18> so i assume what will happen is that somewhere, one of the IT staff will be getting bribed
[08:31] <CrazyHorse18> then selling the exam lots of times
[08:31] <CrazyHorse18> it's happened before
[08:32] <aeon-ltd> i would tackle that problem first
[08:32] <CrazyHorse18> in china btw
[08:32] <Eagleman7> dsprc will it differ on a ssd? becuase of trim?
[08:32] <dsprc> Eagleman7: not sure. there is really no "secure" overwrite for SS media
[08:33] <Eagleman7> Why not?
[08:33] <BotaniCar> dobar dan, junaci !
[08:34] <dsprc> Eagleman7: you can do a simple 'wipe' and maybe 2 passes. should be enough to thwart casual recovery
[08:34] <jalexandru> I'm trying to install/config mercurial I downloaded the latest version, decompressed it, I run make local but when I run ./hg debug install I get an error: No username supplied! where can I supplie the username?
[08:34] <dsprc> Eagleman7: it has something to do with how they allocate and write the data. it all really depends on your threat model
[08:35] <dsprc> 2 passes should be fine
[08:35] <Eagleman7> dsprc Its a machine used to sign certificates, like for openvpn
[08:36] <Eagleman7> I dont want someone to recover my signing key ( ca.key )
[08:39] <somsip> jalexandru: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FAQ 4.22
[08:40] <sweb> http://serverfault.com/questions/445454/run-script-for-all-users
[08:43] <Eagleman7> What sort of encryption is used when you encrypt your homefolder? and how do i know if it works?
[08:43] <abhinavmehta> I want to read in-detail about iptables for linux/debian boxes…can anyone point me good head-start. I've good understanding about networking stuff, but absolute new to iptables.
[08:44] <aeon-ltd> abhinavmehta: i learnt a lot here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_stateful_firewall
[08:44] <keanehsiao> hihi
[08:44] <keanehsiao> ev8d
[08:44] <keanehsiao> I'm facing a wired problem
[08:44] <abhinavmehta> thank you aeon-ltd :)
[08:46] <keanehsiao> when I run the http request via browser with https://graph.facebook.com/me  , it works.  but if I use whenever ruby net/http or curl ,  it tell me ConnectionRefused..  How come?
[08:46] <keanehsiao> thanks
[08:46] <dsprc> Eagleman7: i think it defaults to AES128 or 256 (but dont quote me on that). you are able to specify the cipher you wish to use but i dont recall exactly how atm.
[08:46] <dsprc> Eagleman7: not sure how many rounds it uses either by default
[08:47] <yo_> hello everibody
[08:47] <meant0m> yo
[08:47] <Eagleman7> dsprc When is the "specific home folder decrypted" ?
[08:48] <yo_> i need help
[08:48] <yo_> open vpn  source 127.0.0.1 destination 127.0.0.1
[08:48] <yo_> cannot connect
[08:48] <Rootbrian> yo_: what kind of help? Please, describe the problem.
[08:49] <Rootbrian> yo_ you've got to use different ip addresses. The address you're using is a loopback and won't work.
[08:49] <keanehsiao> Hi. everybody.. I'm facing a wired problem..  when I run the http request via browser with https://graph.facebook.com/me  , it works.  but if I use whenever ruby net/http or curl ,  it tell me ConnectionRefused..  How come?
[08:50] <aeon-ltd> keanehsiao: i'd guess because you are not authenticating as a user
[08:50] <dsprc> Eagleman7: assume when it is mounted and after you feed it the key. is the whole disk encrypted or just the home folder?
[08:50] <somsip> Jeruvy: likely you have a cookie already in your browser. Maybe not so in curl
[08:50] <Rootbrian> keanehsaio: be patient. Not all of us are even at the computer or are available. Is it wired, or weird?
[08:50] <aeon-ltd> keanehsiao: here http://pastebin.com/sMy72Vjk
[08:50] <somsip> keanehsiao:  likely you have a cookie already in your browser. Maybe not so in curl
[08:51] <yo_> i want to connect with open vpn but the destination is 127.0.0.1 (open vpn failed because the connection timed out)
[08:51] <aeon-ltd> yo_: that ip is localhost
[08:51] <iceroot> yo_: that makes no sense when the destination is 127.0.0.1
[08:51] <aeon-ltd> yo_: i.e. you
[08:51] <keanehsiao> @aeon-ltd:  I do provide the params with ?access_token=my_access_token , so it does retrieve back the data with browser..  but not curl
[08:52] <Rootbrian> yo_: If you have a VPN server to connect to, 172.0.0.1 won't work. It's a loopback. Said that already.
[08:52] <meant0m> yo_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost
[08:52] <Rootbrian> !loopback yo_:
[08:53] <keanehsiao> @somsip: ya, but if you provide a access_token in params, than it does not need cookie, and you can get data….
[08:53] <meant0m> !localhost yo_ :
[08:53] <keanehsiao> ok… here it is : https://graph.facebook.com/me?access_token=AAADYbUhQ5SABAI2jz6EObXOoO17LlQCNee3Yfb4SzX29aoBtYXUe1eL6j6SK3VJDGf1DdlhV5iB9aRTS2GxQeZCOn1pvj7TNt4p0TQwZDZD  works with browser but failed with curl..
[08:53] <somsip> keanehsiao: additional information always helps. Pastebin helps most, but then you have to reveal your access token...
[08:54] <yo_> thanks everibody
[08:55] <keanehsiao> it also failed with ruby open, or php, or curl…
[08:55] <Rootbrian> yo_ your welcome
[08:55] <somsip> keanehsiao: works fine here. Did you enclose the url in quotes with curl?
[08:55] <meant0m> np, yo_
[08:55] <keanehsiao> @somsip: yes.. but it just shows ConnectionRefused under ubuntu...
[08:56] <somsip> keanehsiao: as I said, working fine here with curl
[08:56] <gordonjcp> keanehsiao: "failed", eh
[08:56] <gordonjcp> keanehsiao: that's a shame
[08:57] <gordonjcp> keanehsiao: what a pity none of us have a way to guess what the error might be
[08:57] <meant0m> keanehsiao, it works for me
[08:57] <somsip> keanehsiao: BTW, what would you like your new status to read? ;-)
[08:57] <keanehsiao> ya, works fine on my mac & other computers too…  but whatever I reinstall the ubuntu 12.04 or 10.04..  and use curl with that, just failed…  but if I use browser to open that url on that ubuntu, it success....
[08:58] <gordonjcp> keanehsiao: quick, get the fire extinguisher!
[08:58] <keanehsiao> XD
[08:58] <gordonjcp> keanehsiao: it failed! your computer is going to explode!
[08:58] <dsprc> !tell mrenouf|away about away
[08:59] <gordonjcp> keanehsiao: or alternatively you could tell us what it actually *does* when you try it
[08:59] <meant0m> keanehsiao, post it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[09:00] <Eagleman7> When is an encrypted homefolder decrypted ( in which circumstances )? and how do i know if it works?
[09:01] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: it works because you can see your files
[09:01] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: afaik it's decrypted at login
[09:02] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: if you are using an encrypted home directory, make a full backup of your homedir every day
[09:02] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: or at least everything you care about keeping
[09:02] <Rootbrian> Eagleman7: Don't forget hidden folders and files in the backup.
[09:03] <Rootbrian> gordenjcp: exactly
[09:03] <keanehsiao> Hi.
[09:03] <keanehsiao> here is the info http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334303/
[09:04] <dsprc> Eagleman7: consider full disk crypto so everything else is slightly more protected as well
[09:04] <n1> how to install downloaded thunderbird addon manually
[09:04] <n1> ?
[09:04] <keanehsiao> we just tried curl with google as the content, and it just failed
[09:04] <Rootbrian> n1: I don't think that's possible.
[09:05] <xorred> what is the easiest way tomigrate from one server to another preserving all data and settings?
[09:05] <n1> Rootbrain http://bluezync.kaarposoft.dk/manual.html
[09:05] <Eagleman7> gordonjcp when i log in on the user dave and cd to mathew's folder can i see whats inside?
[09:05] <dsprc> n1: think you can drag and drop it to the addons window. or move it to the plugins folder
[09:05] <n1> though don't get the symbolic link part
[09:06] <n1> dsprc tried, doesn't work
[09:06] <Eagleman7> Is only daves folder decrypted? becuase when i switch to the user root i can look inside dave's folder
[09:06] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: if you have permissions to
[09:06] <Rootbrian> n1: apologies, I haven't used thunderbird in years.
[09:07] <webgen> guys I got a quick detail question: how do I setup xfce to start a menu when pushing windows key? like start menu thing gnome 2 has basically
[09:07] <Eagleman7> So daves folder is decrypted when i log in with the user mathew?
[09:07] <keanehsiao> here is the info http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334303/  , and it success if I change the url to yahoo.com   but failed if I use google.com
[09:07] <Rootbrian> webgen: Linux Mint 13 featuring xfce has that, I believe, or xubuntu.
[09:08] <webgen> Rootbrian: I am running on xubuntu right now do you know how would I setup a shortcut of that window key ?
[09:08] <webgen> Rootbrian: it doesnt do anything on windows key
[09:09] <Rootbrian> webgen: hold on a second.
[09:09] <webgen> Rootbrian: thanks dude
[09:09] <Rootbrian> webgen: I believe it's ctrl-f1
[09:09] <Rootbrian> webgen: linux is far different than windows. :)
[09:10] <webgen> Rootbrian I just checked its alt+f1 :P thanks for tip ;)
[09:10] <webgen> Rootbrian: I mean, I press windows key in gnome/unity they open a startup thing
[09:10] <mirasravi> Hi, in nautilus I can't see my other partitions! What do I do?
[09:10] <dsprc> Eagleman7: daves are decrypted when dave logs in. the keys are stored in ram which presumably root has access to
[09:11] <meant0m> webgen, yeah, it launches the dash home
[09:11] <Rootbrian> webgen: alt-f2 is run. Ctrl-f1 is different for each distro I believe. Doesn't work in xubuntu
[09:11] <webgen> mirasravi: sudo fdisk -l to see if they are available at all through terminal
[09:12] <webgen> meant0m, do you have any idea how to make dash home kind of thing in xubuntu ?
[09:12] <mirasravi> webgen: yes, they're available in terminal
[09:12] <mirasravi> mount command doesn't work
[09:12] <Rootbrian> webgen: click the xfce start button (mouse), Settings > settings manager. Launch Keyboard, then hit up the Application Shortcuts tab.
[09:13] <webgen> mirasravi: I am not pro but try from gparted or disk utility or something
[09:13] <mirasravi> disk utility doesn't start at all :(
[09:13] <mirasravi> gparted shows it alright
[09:14] <webgen> Rootbrian: awsome dude !!! saved me a lot of time :)
[09:14] <Jordan_U> mirasravi: What mount command are you running and what error message do you get?
[09:14] <Rootbrian> webgen: thanks
[09:14] <Rootbrian> webgen: *your welcome
[09:14] <webgen> Rootbrian, I didnt even think about it would have shortcut configuration xD
[09:15] <webgen> mirasravi: try from Gparted lemme know if it works I am also curious :P
[09:16] <mirasravi> err msg --> "mount: can't find /dev/sda3 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[09:16] <linux> hello
[09:16] <mirasravi> I checked fstab file, it contains only one entry, for the current linux fs
[09:16] <linux> -d
[09:17] <linux> fs
[09:17] <linux> hello
[09:17] <linux> chaina
[09:17] <linux> china
[09:17] <somsip> !zh | linux
[09:17] <webgen> we hear you linu x)
[09:17] <linux> OK
[09:18] <mirasravi> gparted can't mount them too :\
[09:18] <keanehsiao> hihi. can anybody help me?? T.T   here is the info http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334303/  , and it success if I change the url to yahoo.com  but failed if I use google.com…
[09:18] <webgen> mirasravi: my knowledge's last assumption is that your system file manager is out of sync ?
[09:18] <keanehsiao> if I need to trace, can help me on how to trace up ?  thanks....
[09:19] <lukasz_> p
[09:19] <webgen> mirasravi && hardware problem || permission problem
[09:20] <mirasravi> ok i gotta go
[09:20] <mirasravi> will come later
[09:21] <mah454> Hello
[09:22] <avdg> hi
[09:24] <Jordan_U> mirasravi: You didn't say what mount command you were running.
[09:25] <TFC> Hey hey hey, could I get some help with WUBI please?
[09:26] <auronandace> TFC: any reason you need wubi?
[09:26] <TFC> auronandace: Yeah, I'm out right now, but Windows is killing me.
[09:26] <gordonjcp> TFC: help with wubi you say?
[09:26] <TFC> Not got a USB/CD with me
[09:26] <gordonjcp> TFC: don't use it
[09:27] <TFC> How come?
[09:27] <auronandace> TFC: a vm is better
[09:27] <dsprc> ive created these udev rules and am still not able to access the mouse from the console unless i am root. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334335/
[09:27] <gordonjcp> TFC: it's *awful*
[09:27] <gordonjcp> TFC: it doesn't work
[09:27] <TFC> Oh :c
[09:27] <TFC> How so?
[09:27] <gordonjcp> wubi is a terrible idea, and it causes way more problems than it solves
[09:28] <TFC> Well that sucks :c
[09:28] <TFC> Is there any effective way of installing Ubuntu without a USB/CD on me then?
[09:28] <auronandace> TFC: wubi is meant to be like a tester before you install for real
[09:28] <gordonjcp> there used to be a thing called umsdos back in the early days of Linux that tried to do much the same thing
[09:28] <gordonjcp> that sucked, too
[09:28] <gordonjcp> you've just got to go through so many layers of indirection, it's painfully slow and not very reliable
[09:28] <Jordan_U> TFC: Yes, but none that's particularly easy.
[09:29] <TFC> Ah. Thanks for your help ^
[09:29] <gordonjcp> TFC: the easiest thing is to pop into Tesco and buy a 2GB USB stick for a fiver
[09:29] <gordonjcp> or if they're doing the packs of three for 9 quid, get that instead
[09:29] <TFC> I have one, it's just not with me and Windows makes me want to crack a baby panda's ribcage.
[09:30] <auronandace> TFC: why didn't you take a linux install with you?
[09:30] <TFC> I didn't think to at the time D:
[09:31] <auronandace> TFC: i guess you just have to grit your teeth and bare it
[09:31] <TFC> Yup :c
[09:31] <TFC> Thanks for your help, guys
[09:35] <alocer> anybody using any kind of antivirus here ?
[09:35] <theadmin> alocer: Unnecessary.
[09:36] <OpenSorce> alocer, why would they?
[09:36] <alocer> i need to check my window$ viruses :P
[09:36] <theadmin> alocer: Try clamav (is in the repos)
[09:36] <OpenSorce> alocer, clamav or f-prot
[09:36] <alocer> can i trust it ?
[09:36] <alocer> clamav
[09:37] <OpenSorce> actually stick with clamav
[09:37] <llutz> alocer: you never can trust any antivir-sofrtware (snakeoil)
[09:37] <alocer> cool tnx
[09:37] <alocer> tnx llutz
[09:37] <OpenSorce> alocer, yeah anti-virus makes more money if you get infected
[09:38] <SixtyFold> go with clamav
[09:38] <GabrieleV> Hello, I've dist-upgraded to quantal, and now I cannot suspend to ram. My power button does nothing and I have no suspend option in the menu. Suggestions ? Thank you :)
[09:38] <alocer>  i m scanning my external storage and 30% has gone till now . threats found : 45 :P
[09:38] <OpenSorce> GabrieleV, I'm thinking something in your power management setting maybe?
[09:39] <cullingworth> hi
[09:39] <tokeiito> hello. is there away to map private ssh key to the system user?
[09:39] <OpenSorce> alocer, you use IE on that windows box?
[09:39] <tokeiito> in particual case i need that for jenkins user so that i could setup authentication to bitbucket.
[09:39] <alocer> yes :-s
[09:39] <GabrieleV> OpenSorce, , the only thing I can find is the option "when lid is closed", but there suspend is greyed out :-(
[09:40] <dsprc> alocer: once scanned a drive that had 1500 different pieces of malware on it. consider yourself lucky on that one :P
[09:40] <cullingworth> I want to disable reverse DNS in apache2.
[09:40] <OpenSorce> alocer, the single most dangerous thing you can ever do on a computer is connect to the internet with any program made by Microsoft.
[09:40] <alocer> dsprc: lol
[09:40] <alocer> OpenSorce: :clap:
[09:40] <OpenSorce> alocer, or any other closed source program
[09:44] <OpenSorce> GabrieleV, that seems to be a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1067380
[09:44] <keanehsiao> haha..
[09:44] <keanehsiao> found the answer.. it's the bug of curl while ipv4 & ipv6 conflict… :)
[09:45] <keanehsiao> thanks all
[09:45] <GabrieleV> OpenSorce, ok, let me see ...
[09:45] <OpenSorce> Thanks ubottu for stating the obvious
[09:46] <GabrieleV> OpenSorce, this is not my case: "sudo pm-suspend" works for me, but I can't suspend from the gui ...
[09:46] <theadmin> GabrieleV: Are D-Bus and ConsoleKit installed and working properly? Try: sudo dpkg-configure -a
[09:47] <OpenSorce> GabrieleV, hmmm.... so it works it's just not showing up on the gui and it's greyed out in power management
[09:47] <GabrieleV> theadmin, you mean "dpkg-reconfigure -a" ?
[09:48] <GabrieleV> OpenSorce, yes
[09:48] <theadmin> GabrieleV: Heck no, that'll take ages
[09:48] <theadmin> GabrieleV: lol, "configure", in case some packages are unconfigured it'll fix that
[09:48] <theadmin> GabrieleV: Cause I had a person here that has somehow been left with a de-configured dbus after the upgrade
[09:49] <GabrieleV> theadmin, sudo dpkg-configure -a replies with dpkg-configure: command not found
[09:49] <theadmin> Err... not "dpkg-configure", my bad... sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:49] <GabrieleV> theadmin, let's try ...
[09:49] <theadmin> GabrieleV: ^
[09:50] <GabrieleV> theadmin, no complains from sudo dpkg --configure -a. Everything ok
[09:51] <OpenSorce> Now what did I come in here for? Oh right! Is Plymouth with proprietary video drivers just a hit and miss kinda thing?
[09:54] <theadmin> GabrieleV: Hm... Any output at all?
[09:54] <GabrieleV> theadmin, nothing at all ...
[09:55] <theadmin> GabrieleV: Damn, then it's not the same problem :( Sorry, can't help
[09:55] <GabrieleV> theadmin, thank you :)
[09:55] <AlanBell> GabrieleV: if it is any consolation I think I have the same issue
[09:56] <GabrieleV> Where is the option to choose the power button action (poweroff, suspend, hibernate ...) ?
[09:56] <GabrieleV> AlanBell, whe have to find a solution :)
[09:56] <AlanBell> oh, similar issue. my power button asks me what to do, but the suspend option does nothing. System menu suspend works fine though.
[09:57] <theadmin> Now I know why I decided to stick to LTS...
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[09:57] <GabrieleV> AlanBell, that's a step beyond mine. Where do you choose the power button behaviour ?
[09:58] <Guest41711> I want to disable reverse DNS in apache2.
[09:58] <brady> ok so ive got failing memtests, however, each individual memory card fails on its own, in diffrent slots.. is it normal to have 4 memory card fail memory tests?
[09:58] <theadmin> brady: More like your memtest image has failed to burn
[09:59] <newgen> hi there. i have the problem when executing "system(NULL)" or any other command, my thread hangs but does not execute the command. (ubuntu 12.04). any suggestions why?
[09:59] <brady> what do you mean by that?
[09:59] <Guest41711> I am not able to disable reverse dns in apache any idea?
[09:59] <theadmin> brady: I mean that your memtest86+ image is damaged somehow, so it gives wrong results. Happens sometimes.
[09:59] <theadmin> Guest41711: Try #httpd, they'll be of more help
[10:00] <AlanBell> GabrieleV: in dconf-editor in org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power there are some things to tweak (carefully)
[10:00] <brady> it runs for 10 minutes before failure.. could that be caused by a bad hard drive?
[10:00] <meant0m> GabrieleV,  what version of ubuntu are you using?
[10:00] <alocer> AlanBell: GabrieleV: will this one help ? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#ACPI_power_management
[10:00] <chull> how can i locate the brother printer driverr, it did't tell me where it was installing it?
[10:00] <theadmin> brady: Hmmm... Not too into hardware, but I doubt that
[10:00] <newgen> brady: ich code c++. i use the command "system(NULL)" which should just execute nothing
[10:01] <brady> newgen:  huh?
[10:01] <GabrieleV> meant0m, Quantal 12.10
[10:01] <newgen> brady: but since it does not seem to be a c++ problem, I have to assume that its OS related...
[10:01] <theadmin> chull: Why do you need to "locate" it? Modules get installed into /lib/modules/<kernel version>
[10:01] <GabrieleV> alocer, AlanBell in dconf button-power=suspend
[10:01] <Guest41711>  == Cannot send to channel: #httpd
[10:02] <theadmin> !register > Guest41711
[10:02] <newgen> brady, ops, i think you talked to someone else
[10:02] <meant0m> GabrieleV, are you using unity destop, if so just click on dash home at the top left of the screen and type in power
[10:03] <GabrieleV> meant0m, this is the setings/power menu. I have no option to choose the power button action here :-(
[10:03] <alocer> meant0m: nope its not working
[10:03] <alocer> GabrieleV: dconf working
[10:03] <AlanBell> GabrieleV: yeah, mine was set to interactive
[10:04] <AlanBell> GabrieleV: after selecting suspend it was warning me about a chromium download in progress, I choose suspend anyway, and it doesn't
[10:04] <mar77i> newgen: http://linux.die.net/man/3/system using suid? could be there's something funny going on in /bin/bash too...
[10:05] <GabrieleV> AlanBell, this may be correct. Even if i have vlc playing, it forbid suspend
[10:05] <chull> theadmin, it said to http://pastebin.com/TEuBG5nY
[10:05] <mar77i> eh, /bin/dash
[10:06] <newgen> mar77i, interesting. i thought about that. but would execl solve this problem?
[10:06] <simplew> mplayer gui isnt able to go forward when playing a movie
[10:06] <simplew> mplayer gui isnt able to go forward when playing a movie, almost apepars like freezing, can anyone reproduce?
[10:06] <theadmin> chull: You're doing it wrong. The drivers are in the repositories.
[10:07] <Guest41711> [15:36] <cullingworth> hi [15:36] == Cannot send to channel: #httpd
[10:07] <newgen> simplew, i have the same problem. but when i go backward, it starts running again
[10:07] <mar77i> newgen: maybe. just wrote a minimal test, and no, it's not hanging here.
[10:08] <simplew> newgen: so this is in fact a problem in mplayer, needs to be reported
[10:08] <Guest41711> i am getting error Cannot send to channel: #httpd
[10:08] <meant0m> GabrieleV, try sudo apt-get install dconf-tools
[10:08] <theadmin> Guest41711: I told you to register.
[10:08] <XRS1> you are not registered and identified as required by #httpd
[10:08] <DJones> !register | Guest41711 Some channels require you to have a registered nick on the irc network,
[10:08] <Touhou11> Guest41711: I suggest you register
[10:09] <newgen> mar77i, i have the main program running and a thread, which starts something like system("nmap..."). but since nmap requires root, i need suid
[10:09] <mar77i> newgen: this works here. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334405
[10:09] <GabrieleV> meant0m, dconf-tools is already the newest version.
[10:09] <mar77i> newgen: you said you were using system(NULL) << with NULL as argument.
[10:09] <newgen> mar77i, i can confirm: your sample runs on my system
[10:10] <newgen> mar77i, even with sudo
[10:10] <meant0m> GabrieleV, so what happens what you type dconf-editor in the terminal, under settigns-daemon->plugins->power
[10:10] <Guest41711> I have registered
[10:10] <mar77i> newgen: also, the manpage states "Do not use system() from a program with [suid]..." not "...to call a..."
[10:10] <XRS1>  /msg nickserve myname mypassword
[10:11] <XRS1> oops
[10:11] <XRS1>  /msg nickserv myname mypassword
[10:11] <XRS1> bah screw it
[10:11] <newgen> mar77i, I have read this. but up to 1 month ago, it worked without a fuzz. so I did not worry about it
[10:11] <XRS1> really you should /msg nickserv help
[10:12] <AlanBell> Guest41711: no, you haven't because you are a guest still. when you are registered you will have a real name and /whois yourname will show you an account name
[10:12] <Guest41711> [15:37] <cullingworth> I want to disable reverse DNS in apache2.
[10:13] <meant0m> GabrieleV, http://i.stack.imgur.com/OMZL1.png
[10:13] <theadmin> Ok, so, the bzr-explorer plugin provides a "bzr new" command which allows to easily set up a feature branch style repository. I was wondering how to do it without the plugin around (since bzr-explorer also pulls in the, well, explorer app which is a GUI thing)
[10:14] <chull> theadmin, i'im sorry, ive had this printer for months and can't get it to work with the printer, until now i asked brother help forhelp. if it's in the repositories can you show us where?
[10:15] <theadmin> chull: Run "apt-cache search brother driver", see whether the one for your model is in that list and then sudo apt-get install it
[10:15] <newgen> mar77i, ok weird: when i run (without suid) a command like system("nmap -sV -O -A 192.168.0.11 -p- -oX ../nmap_scans/192.168.0.11_1352110312_nmap.xml"), it should return directly because of missing priviledges. but instead, it hangs for about 1 minute in some kind of loop and uses 100% cpu load
[10:16] <Haunt_House> what's a good way to install a package on 12.04 if the software center is broken (greyed out button) and you don't have an internet connection, just the deb file on the desktop?
[10:16] <theadmin> chull: You could also use the Additional Drivers tool that comes with Ubuntu (after plugging the device in)
[10:17] <theadmin> Haunt_House: sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/myhamsters.deb
[10:17] <theadmin> Haunt_House: Note that if the dependencies aren't satisfied the command will fail.
[10:18] <chull> theadmin, i don'tknow about the additional drivers tool?
[10:18] <theadmin> chull: Ok, what Ubuntu version are you on?
[10:18] <chull> theadmin, 10.10
[10:18] <GabrieleV> meant0m, the settings in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power are correct. But everything about suspend and hibernate is greyed out in the gui
[10:18] <Haunt_House> theadmin: stopping the network manager did the trick
[10:19] <Haunt_House> thank you very much for your help
[10:19] <theadmin> chull: Hm, bad luck -- it's no longer supported. You should upgrade, because... well. Nobody will help you if you're running an unsupported version
[10:19] <GabrieleV> meant0m, maybe something dealing with polkit ?
[10:19] <N03L> Hey fellas, this gonna sound stupid.
[10:20] <Haunt_House> theadmin: turned out, your advice is better
[10:20] <Limit_> hi! some help needed! unable to setup bridge connection in my Ubuntu 12.04
[10:20] <theadmin> N03L: Just ask the questions
[10:20] <N03L> But something happened to my settings, when I try to highlight conversational text in here, I toggle through tabs on terminal instead.
[10:20] <N03L> How can I change it to highlight text?
[10:20] <theadmin> ...wat
[10:21] <GabrieleV> meant0m, changing org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power to interactive, asks me to *only* shutdown. So I think the problem is a sort of "my user cannot access suspend" problem
[10:21] <fluidicgeek> is anyone using gpuocelot? i couldn't get it to work with ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[10:21] <meant0m> GabrieleV, if your root id imagine that you wouldnt have polkit issues
[10:22] <GabrieleV> meant0m, I didn't understand
[10:23] <Limit_> can anyone help me setup my bridge connection. I tried the configuration shared from the results of google search but it is always failing
[10:23] <Limit_> The configuration says failed to bring up br0
[10:23] <Limit_> I also tried the one on Ubuntu UEC
[10:24] <mar77i> newgen: interesting. try gdb
[10:24] <theadmin> !patience | Limit_
[10:24] <zenx> hi this morning my ethernet connection is ultra slow, i cant connect directly to the router because the eth0 interface is intermittently going down, if i connect to a router it stays up but performing a speed test i notice that there;s a huge latency and upload speed is very slow
[10:24] <newgen> mar77i, ok, switched to execl. this now generates the error "Zeitnehmer zur Laufzeitbestimmung ist abgelaufen", what ever this means...
[10:24] <zenx> also in the console i notice the following message: type=1701 audit(1352110846.627:46): auid=4294967295 uid=1000 gid=1000 ses=4294967295 pid=5217 comm="chrome" reason="seccomp" sig=0 syscall=257 compat=0 ip=0x7f1358f9c710 code=0x50002
[10:24] <zenx> from dmesg
[10:25] <zenx> wireless is ok
[10:25] <mar77i> newgen: prefix the command with LANG=C
[10:25] <newgen> mar77i, i am not familiar with gdb, but i have a printf before and after the system call and it hangs definitely on the system call...
[10:25] <newgen> mar77i, thanks
[10:25] <mar77i> newgen: I'm interested, too, now. I want to know the error message in english, see my last post
[10:26] <newgen> mar77i, it's ignored.  "LANG=C ./test" -> same error. "export LANG=C; ./test" -> same error
[10:27] <mar77i> ...
[10:27] <jotterbot> can someone help me please?? http://serverfault.com/questions/445027/raid-card-event-notifications-email-to-gmail
[10:27] <meant0m> GabrieleV, http://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/05/09/disable-suspend-and-hibernate-ubuntu/
[10:27] <mar77i> newgen: you know what I think.
[10:27] <meant0m> GabrieleV, gksudo gedit  /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy
[10:28] <GabrieleV> meant0m, let me see .. :)
[10:28] <newgen> mar77i, hm.. no not really :) environment messed up?
[10:28] <mar77i> ubuntu. :)
[10:28] <newgen> hehe
[10:28] <meant0m> GabrieleV, looks promising
[10:29] <catphish> does ubuntu support secure boot with a signed kernel yet?
[10:29] <mar77i> newgen: are you prefixing "time" or something?
[10:29] <newgen> mar77i, no, nothing. just "./test"
[10:29] <mar77i> maybe "system()" does something with time()
[10:30] <mar77i> eh time(1)
[10:30] <mar77i> the command
[10:31] <mar77i> also, tried strace?
[10:32] <newgen> mar77i, I create the filename with a timestamp. but thats much sooner. and execl ist just called with a string...
[10:32] <Noriandir> hi. I need a help with cron. I have a bash script that cron refuses to execute. the scripts works well in gnome terminal...
[10:32] <mar77i> Noriandir: prefix bash in crontab.
[10:33] <mar77i> Noriandir: cron executes things with sh
[10:33] <mar77i> iirc
[10:33] <newgen> Noriandir, or use the full path to your command
[10:33] <mar77i> both, just to be sure :)
[10:33] <Noriandir> I'm currently using the full path. doenst work tho
[10:33] <Noriandir> i'll try executing it with bash
[10:35] <newgen> mar77i, translated error to "Profiling timer expired" -> It means that your thread received signal 27 (SIGPROF).  Before signals are delivered to the debuggee, they are sent by the kernel to the debugger.
[10:36] <jrib> newgen: you need to say what the script is exactly...
[10:36] <jrib> Noriandir: you need to say what the script is exactly...
[10:36] <jrib> newgen: ignore me :)
[10:37] <newgen> Noriandir, it the script executable? (chmod +x) ? Cron has other priviledges than you in the shell... maybe ownership problem
[10:37] <theadmin> Repeat: Ok, so, the bzr-explorer plugin provides a "bzr new" command which allows to easily set up a feature branch style repository. I was wondering how to do it without the plugin around (since bzr-explorer also pulls in the, well, explorer app which is a GUI thing)
[10:38] <savio> hello folks how ubuntu uses link local address on my windows box when i connect to isp it gives me two address one is public and other is link local. but on ubuntu link local address not get assign my isp uses ppp
[10:38] <savio> how can configure link local address to my ubuntu
[10:38] <Noriandir> newgen, script is executable, ownership is not the problem
[10:39] <newgen> Noriandir, does cron write any message to /var/log/syslog ?
[10:40] <Noriandir> newgen, no idea. how do I know that? try to read the file?
[10:40] <Noriandir> jrib, i don't think its relevent to the case, but here it is: http://pastie.org/5188622
[10:40] <newgen> yes. use "cat" or "tail /var/log/syslog"
[10:40] <tarzeau> is anyone able to install google earth 7.x on precise 1204 64bit?
[10:41] <rexwin__> anybody know room for cloud-computing
[10:42] <Noriandir> newgen, here is the relevent text: Nov  5 10:35:01 yard CRON[20329]: (ciccio) CMD (bash /home/ciccio/Scripts/Simulazione/Simulate_NEW)
[10:42] <llutz> Noriandir: avoid things like "if [ -s "$HOME ..." in cronjobs. either use full absolute pathes or set explicitly the vars needed inside the script
[10:43] <Noriandir> newgen, it does seam to be executing it...
[10:43] <GabrieleV> meant0m, Solved usding your link ! Many thanks !
[10:43] <chull> theadmin, are you still here?
[10:43] <GabrieleV> meant0m, Now I have issues with resuming locks up my gui ;)
[10:44] <Linkandzelda> I cant decide whether to use fglrx proprietory driver or stick with the open source, can anyone advice what would be the best choice for my ATI Radeon 6xxx?
[10:44] <newgen> Noriandir, yes. so it might hang inside the script, as llutz suggested
[10:44] <chull> Linkandzelda, try open source if it's availalble , if it doesn't make you happy  then try the other
[10:44] <theadmin> chull: Yes?
[10:45] <chull> theadmin, 12.04
[10:45] <meant0m> GabrieleV, glad to help!
[10:45] <newgen> ok, sorry, i have to catch my food and swim to work. cu
[10:45] <theadmin> chull: Oh, uh. Okay, hit the "Dash home" button at the top left-ish, then type "Drivers" in, you should be able to find the tool
[10:45] <theadmin> chull: Plug the device in first, though
[10:46] <jrib> Noriandir: are you sure this isn't a PATH issue?  PATH is not the same when cron runs scripts.  For example are you sure it can find this DrawYard command?  Start putting some debugging statements in your script if you are sure it is being executed
[10:46] <chull> theadmin, i'll try that, thank you
[10:48] <Noriandir> jrib, no, $PATH isn't a issue here. i've put a $PATH variable in my crontab that is equal to the $PATH that bash uses
[10:49] <savio> anyone
[10:50] <gordonjcp> !anyone | savio
[10:50] <savio> hello folks how ubuntu uses link local address on my windows box when i connect to isp it gives me two address one is public and other is link local. but on ubuntu link local address not get assign my isp uses ppp
[10:50] <savio> how can configure link local address to my ubuntu
[10:51] <savio> !ubottu
[10:52] <sosoman> hi
[10:52] <jrib> Noriandir: so start placing debugging statements in the script itself (output to some file)
[10:52] <sosoman> https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/ef649a0655eb206a668e1c0404a015250697163b
[10:52] <sosoman> https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/ef649a0655eb206a668e1c0404a015250697163b
[10:53] <sosoman> https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/ef649a0655eb206a668e1c0404a015250697163b
[10:53] <FloodBot1> sosoman: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:53] <sosoman> https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/ef649a0655eb206a668e1c0404a015250697163b
[10:53] <DJones> sosoman: Stop spamming the channel
[10:53] <theadmin> !ops | sosoman
[10:53] <spexi> Hi! If I have made my network settings by using network management GUI, and I just want to use the same settings with a new server with no GUI. Is there a file, where is the network settings even if the settings have been made with network management gui? /etc/network/interfaces is empty.
[10:54] <Pricey> theadmin: I think he's stopped )
[10:54] <theadmin> spexi: /etc/NetworkManager/ (note the caps)
[10:55] <spexi> ach okay
[10:55] <spexi> thanks
[10:55] <theadmin> spexi: Might be somewhere in user directories too, not sure
[10:55] <spexi> Just wondering, why the same file can't have those details, if the changes are made with gui or cli
[10:56] <spexi> while every guide on internet says /etc/network/interfaces when doing it with cli
[11:01] <sosoman> who's want hangouts with me
[11:01] <Mongolski> no one
[11:01] <sosoman> pleeeeeeeeeeease
[11:02] <DJones> sosoman: This is an ubuntu support channel only
[11:02] <sosoman> oh sorry
[11:02] <sosoman> but where is chating channel?
[11:03] <theadmin> sosoman: #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:03] <dr_willis> #ubuntu-offtopic or perhaps #foreveralone sosoman
[11:03] <theadmin> dr_willis: bwahaha
[11:03] <dr_willis> ;
[11:03] <dr_willis> ;)
[11:05] <ahmed_> how to prevent suphp local users from connecting to LDAP?
[11:07] <simplew> dr_willis: i dont know to who report that mplayer isnt playing movies
[11:07] <theadmin> simplew: Did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[11:08] <simplew> theadmin: that package isnt installed
[11:08] <Linkandzelda> can somone help me to troubleshoot system crashes and lockups which result in compiz/cairo dock and gnome-panel crashing? I also get no window borders after the crash and a lot of kernel memory errors. logs are tellin me that apps were killed due to not enough memory, but the system is caching like 14gb of my ram so i'm a bit stuck on what/how to stop it. thanks
[11:08] <dr_willis> simplew   tried different videos? look for error messages in the terminal to see whats going on?
[11:08] <simplew> dr_willis: yes
[11:08] <theadmin> simplew: You should install it then, it contains some of the restricted codecs
[11:08] <simplew> dr_willis: theres no error messages, are you riunning quantak? can you tey reproduce?
[11:09] <simplew> theadmin: i should not, because other players play movies fine, except mplayer
[11:09] <dr_willis> simplew:  im on my phone right now. i tend to use vlc these days
[11:09] <theadmin> simplew: Oh, hmmm
[11:09] <Haunt_House> if I want to do proper screencasts with recordmydesktop, is it important to assign the apps to different cores?
[11:09] <theadmin> simplew: What video output are you using with mplayer?
[11:11] <simplew> dr_willis: im just trying to report that maplyer fails, who can check the package?
[11:11] <ak5> hi, I want to run some windows xp vms on a headless server, how do I do this?
[11:11] <theadmin> ak5: Well, VirtualBox has a headless interface, probably the simpliest solution...
[11:12] <ak5> theadmin: I was thinking of using qemu --enable kvm
[11:12] <theadmin> ak5: That might work too. I'm not too familiar with virtualization
[11:12] <dr_willis> simplew: well i wont be home for like 10 hrs. so i can check tonight.
[11:13] <ak5> theadmin: great, so I can just RDP into those VMs?
[11:13] <theadmin> simplew: Well you can file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug mplayer"
[11:13] <theadmin> ak5: Suppose so
[11:13] <ak5> theadmin: is there a good linux rdp client
[11:14] <ak5> you would recommend?
[11:14] <theadmin> ak5: I use Remmina myself
[11:14] <dr_willis> ssh and x forwarding may be simpiler ak5. but it depends on your needs
[11:16] <ak5> dr_willis: I want to install vnc on a vm of windows running on a headless ubuntu-server
[11:20] <simplew> dr_willis: already rebuild mplayer, made no difference
[11:21] <XRS1> sounds like fun i want to watch
[11:22] <simplew> dr_willis: see this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334501
[11:22] <XRS1> umm... install a text browser in windows through ssh, download what you need
[11:23] <XRS1> ftp the file over or use a shared folder or something
[11:24] <ak5> XRS1: you talking to me?
[11:24] <XRS1> yup
[11:24] <Linkandzelda> If anyone is able to, here is a question I just posted with my problem detailed: http://askubuntu.com/questions/212138/system-crashes-lockups-compiz-cairo-gnome-panel-crashing-due-to-cached-ram-pl
[11:25] <ak5> XRS1: ok, I can't view windows so installing anything on it is out of the question, otherwise I would just install vnc directly and be done with the whole thing
[11:26] <XRS1> what version of windows? cuz its a command based OS just like linux
[11:27] <XRS1> hmm no u would prolly not be able to install and manually installing isnt worth it. might as well plug a screen in
[11:28] <ak5> XRS1: I don't have X installed
[11:28] <ak5> on the virtualization server
[11:28] <theadmin> XRS1: Please be helpful. If you can't help, just don't talk.
[11:28] <XRS1> well does windows already have remote assistance enabled?
[11:28] <ak5> XRS1: yes, RDP
[11:28] <Wizard> Hi. What's the deal?
[11:28] <ak5> but I don't know if it's enabled
[11:28] <theadmin> ak5: Well Windows RDP is enabled by default iirc
[11:29] <theadmin> ak5: You've gotta make sure the user has a password though, can't RDP in without a password
[11:29] <ak5> theadmin: are you sure? don't you have to enable through the "remote assistance" wizard or whatever?
[11:29] <theadmin> ak5: Pretty sure
[11:29] <XRS1> you can accept through ssh right?
[11:29] <Wizard> Ah, MS Windows? Isn't it offtopic here?
[11:29] <theadmin> ak5: Might ask in ##windows
[11:29] <Issac> hi guys
[11:30] <ak5> theadmin: I guess th ebest way would be to setup virtualization on my lappy, configure qemu/kvm the same way, install everything I need on the vm then move the qcow2 image to the headless server
[11:30] <XRS1> yeah stryker knows his stuff, just come back here for the buntu portions
[11:30] <theadmin> ak5: That'd be a good idea
[11:30] <ak5> Wizard: not if you are virtualizing through ubuntu I hope
[11:30] <ak5> :P
[11:31] <ak5> theadmin: yeah I am just going to do it that way, thanks for your input
[11:31] <XRS1> theadmin, y'know im only trying to help. isnt that what all the 'buntu installers ask us to do?
[11:32] <theadmin> XRS1: Well, fair's fair, but please try to understand the problem :) Otherwise it just looks like you're trolling. No offense meant.
[11:32] <Issac>  do u guys knows, what happen if place a cd inside to cd rom isn't functioning?
[11:33] <ak5> Issac: old cd players might kill your cd
[11:33] <Wizard> Really?
[11:33] <ak5> (we are talking 90s)
[11:33] <Wizard> o_O
[11:33] <ak5> Wizard: yeah, I have had it happen :D
[11:33] <Issac> no is a new cd
[11:33] <ak5> Issac: player or CD
[11:33] <Duke_> greetings. does anyone work with Python? thnx
[11:33] <ak5> which is new?
[11:33] <Issac> erm video cd
[11:33] <Wizard> Duke_: #python ;)
[11:33] <theadmin> Duke_: Everyone in #python does. Also a lot of Ubuntu apps are Python-based.
[11:34] <ak5> Duke_: I do, but you might want to try #python
[11:34] <theadmin> Duke_: If you're developing for Ubuntu, #ubuntu-devel is a good place
[11:34] <Wizard> I think you may ask here too.
[11:34] <simplew> dr_willis: the ptoblem is that mplyer gui is using VDPAU as default videoengine, and isnt able to locate it
[11:34] <ak5> simplew: what's the issue?
[11:34] <Duke_> thnak you all :)
[11:34] <dr_willis> simplew:  you seem to have a vapdu error - which is a hardware acelleration feature for some chipsets. could be your drivers dont support it. or some other bug. perhaps disable vapdu
[11:34] <Issac> ak, Windows cannot load the device driver for this hardware. The driver may be corrupted or missing. (Code 3
[11:35] <n1> is there someone using thunderzilla?
[11:35] <ak5> Issac: you should ask in #windows?
[11:35] <dr_willis> i dont know a lot about vpadu really.
[11:35] <Issac> Windows cannot load the device driver for this hardware. The driver may be corrupted or missing. (Code 39)
[11:35] <Issac> THERE IS NO windos channel here
[11:35] <theadmin> Issac: There is ##windows
[11:35] <XRS1> type /join ##windows
[11:35] <Issac> oh right
[11:35] <Issac> thank you
[11:35] <dr_willis> bbl.
[11:36] <simplew> dr_willis: like i said, mplayer uses vdpau as default, thats the issue, if i change it to xv for example it plays fine
[11:36] <ak5> simplew: echo "vo=xv" >> ~/.mplayerrc
[11:37] <simplew> ak5: already set it,
[11:37] <ak5> simplew: sorry, its .mplayer/config
[11:37] <ak5> simplew: so whats the issue?
[11:37] <n1> pardon, anyone using Thunderbird and is an experienced ubuntu user? need to install an addon, just don't know if it works on this version
[11:37] <simplew> ak5: its already done, please go back and read
[11:37] <ak5> oh sorry
[11:38] <theadmin> n1: Thunderbird won't let you install it if it doesn't work on your version
[11:38] <theadmin> n1: So just go and try
[11:39] <Evdb> Can someone tell me what cut-cdf means?
[11:39] <n1> theadmin but one needs to install this one manually tried already, though am not so good in using terminal
[11:40] <Evdb> *what it does actualy
[11:40] <theadmin> n1: Huh? If it's an xpi file just open it with Thunderbird
[11:40] <Touhou11> n1: I'd be careful installing xpi files manually, could be malicious
[11:43] <Evdb> Anyone here good with commands?
[11:43] <blazemore> Evdb: lol
[11:43] <tarzeau> sudo make sandwich
[11:43] <Evdb> haha ok very dumb question
[11:43] <Evdb> But I actually just need to know what cut - cdc does
[11:43] <Evdb> $What the options do
[11:43] <tarzeau> Evdb: tried man cut ?
[11:44] <blazemore> Evdb: man cut
[11:44] <CrazyGangster> Hello ppl, there is any program/script that beeps at first strongest wireless signal?
[11:44] <Evdb> $I've read about it but don't really understand what is said
[11:44] <mah454> Hello
[11:44] <mah454> I need libpst-python package
[11:44] <mah454> this package released for CentOS : http://www.five-ten-sg.com/libpst/packages/centos6/
[11:45] <n1> theadmin and Touhou11 when I try to download this package http://bluezync.kaarposoft.dk/0.1.6/download.html (the bottom link for thunderbird), firefox tries to install it as it's own addon and the message Is "not compatible with this version". also tried to install it with t.bitd's "thunderbrowse" addon, yet seems nothing happens
[11:45] <XRS1> !alien
[11:46] <n1> ...also tried to install it with thunderbird's addon...
[11:46] <XRS1> mah454,  sudo apt-get install alien
[11:46] <mah454> XRS1: ok
[11:52] <Linkandzelda> how come its taking like 30 seconds just to open apps, and its causing the system to lock up? i have nothing else going on >_>
[11:52] <XRS1> swap in use? back disk?
[11:52] <XRS1> bad*
[11:53] <Linkandzelda> XRS1: Ive always wondered if its a bad disc, but i dont know. I have like 7 gb free ram and 66mb of swap used
[11:53] <`bat> Salut
[11:54] <`bat> http://202.44.15.103/index.html
[11:54] <dhruvasagar> should 120GB partition be enough for WIN7 ?
[11:54] <`bat> http://202.44.15.103/index.html
[11:54] <XRS1> if you suspect a bad disk use the manufacturer boot disk diagnostic thingy (like Seatools for DOS)
[11:54] <n1> theadmin and Touhou11 can you just try to see if it works?
[11:54] <`bat> n1
[11:55] <Touhou11> Not on Ubuntu at the moment
[11:55] <`bat> can you help me with i want 1 account rdp ?
[11:55] <`bat> http://202.44.15.103/index.html
[11:55] <`bat> http://202.44.15.103/index.html
[11:55] <Linkandzelda> XRS1: http://pastebin.com/cdxxDktG this is the kind of errors ive been getting
[11:56] <meant0m> CrazyGangster, try using wavemon --  sudo apt-get install wavemon
[11:57] <XRS1> could be a bad cable
[11:58] <meant0m> CrazyGangster, wavemon is a ncurses-based monitor for wireless devices. It allows you to watch the signal and noise levels, packet statistics, device configuration, and network parameters of your wireless network hardware.
[11:59] <XRS1> actually no either aq memory leak or id try memtest86+
[12:00] <CuteAlien> Hello. I want screen-blanking completely off always. "xset s off" would work, but not sure into which config-file to put that in ubuntu as I no longer seem to have an xorg.conf. Forum post I found so far recommended using /etc/rc.local and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc but none of those worked so far (still have to set it manually each time). Can someone recommend which config-file to put that in?
[12:02] <CrazyGangster> @ meant0m: i will try, thaks :)
[12:03] <CrazyGangster> *thanks
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:07] <dr_willis> CuteAlien:  theres a system wide xdg/autostart directioy you can put scripts in also.
[12:08] <CuteAlien> dr_willis, thanks, I'll try that
[12:08] <dr_willis> or   .config/autostart for a single user
[12:10] <CuteAlien> dr_willis, the /etc/xdg/autostart only seems to contain .desktop files. If I just put in a script with just that command (xset s off) - will that be enough?
[12:10] <dr_willis> scripts can work
[12:10] <BlackBishop> what is the difference between shutdown now and shutdown -h now ( besides the "HALT" part at the end ) ?
[12:11] <dr_willis> be sure its executable
[12:11] <food> hi
[12:11] <BlackBishop> I got a machine that shutdown -h now ok .. but not at shutdown now .. :/
[12:11] <food> _cronus_, hi
[12:11] <BlackBishop> any way to see what actually fails ?
[12:12] <_cronus_> food, hello
[12:12] <canaima_> hi
[12:13] <canaima_> hello
[12:13] <CrazyGangster> meant0m: wavemon dind't work in monitor interface more ,right?
[12:13] <CrazyGangster> *mode
[12:14] <CrazyGangster> sorry meant0m: wavemon doesn't work in monitor interface more ,right?
[12:22] <meant0m> CrazyGangster, I am not sure, you'll have to do some reading
[12:22] <meant0m> CrazyGangster, sorry
[12:23] <Haunt_House> is it possible to create a link to an application with  commandline parameters? I want to tell blender to open in a certain way
[12:24] <dr_willis> Haunt_House: use a shell script is one way
[12:25] <dr_willis> or a custom    .desktop file
[12:27] <z1gg3h> Afternoon all.
[12:28] <dr_willis> moo!
[12:28] <xorred> can someone point me to a good article for server migration from one box to another
[12:29] <dr_willis> xorred:  you mean you want to clone server a to server b?
[12:29] <xorred> yes
[12:29] <xorred> server a is going to the graveyeard
[12:30] <xorred> LAMP server
[12:30] <xorred> with a lot of mods, which can't just be recreated
[12:30] <dr_willis> clonezilla may be worth looking into if you want an exact image
[12:30] <xorred> well it's openvz vps so I can't really boot off a cd
[12:30] <lhavelund> Assuming you have both boxes running, I've had good experiences using CloneZilla in a small business environment.
[12:31] <dr_willis> people always bring up these details aftetwardfs... ;)
[12:31] <xorred> yep
[12:31] <lhavelund> I haven't fiddled with the configuration, but it was setup by a couple of diehard Windows users (with no Linux experience) on an Ubuntu box, so I think you're in the clear, xorred :)
[12:32] <CuteAlien> dr_willis, putting into /etc/xdg/autostart also didn't do the trick. After reboot and 10 minutes waiting the blank screen is back. So xset s off wasn't called (or not called at the right moment)
[12:32] <xorred> lhavelund: it's openvz vps, I can't boot off a cd
[12:32] <lhavelund> xorred: I use network connectivity.
[12:32] <lhavelund> xorred: i.e. direct patch cable between the two machines. Theoretically, you could do the same over the internets methinks.
[12:32] <CuteAlien> also using xset -dpms by the way, but the other one is sufficient when I manually type it into console
[12:32] <xorred> lhavelund: you know what openvz is, no?
[12:33] <lhavelund> xorred: Virtualization software.
[12:33] <xorred> lhavelund: you also know that a vps is usually used when the admin is on the other part of the world, otherwise I would not be using a vps at all?
[12:34] <CuteAlien> Hm, maybe there is some script in ubuntu which counters it? Some xset s on somewhere which is called later?
[12:36] <Thor> How can I get bash_completion to work with ssh? It used to work, but now ubuntu uses hashed known_hosts file, so as far as I can see, bash_completion haven't been updated to work  with the new known_hosts format
[12:36] <KrazyKrivda1> I'm connected to my wireless router but I am unable to access the internet.  It shows connected(other laptops are connected as well and do have internet access) any ideas?
[12:37] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: whats the output of ifconfig?
[12:38] <z1gg3h> So. Anyone mind giving me some insight about Ubuntus nVidia drivers?
[12:38] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: just for wlan0 right?
[12:38] <cuddylier> How do I edit a file via sudo? I tried sudo vi /etc/vsftpd.conf but I don't know how to edit the text
[12:39] <ArchOpenBox> ikonia: Good Morning
[12:39] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: should be enough
[12:39] <z1gg3h> cuddylier, use either nanoe or if you're running a gui, gedit.
[12:39] <marcus> yoyo, i accidently made chmod 777 * -R in var folder.... what should i do?
[12:39] <cuddylier> Ah..nano
[12:39] <cuddylier> k
[12:39] <nao> hola?
[12:39] <cuddylier> How do I exit sudo?
[12:40] <z1gg3h> just type exit or quit
[12:40] <cuddylier> I mean vi
[12:40] <z1gg3h> No idea. Just use the ctrl + x kill option
[12:40] <CuteAlien> cuddylier, ESC, then shift
[12:40] <CuteAlien> cuddylier, ESC, then shift*ZZ
[12:40] <cuddylier> Thanks
[12:41] <EuroNerd> Does Ubuntu Netbook Edition still function these days?
[12:41] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: link encap:ethernet  hwaddr:0c:60:76:4c:0e:3f  inet addr:192.168.2.3   bcast:192.168.2.255  mask:255.255.255.0  inet6 addr: fe80::e60:76ff:fe4c:e3f/64 scope:link  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1
[12:41] <CuteAlien> cuddylier, sorry - ESC key, then press hold shift and press 2 times Z
[12:41] <z1gg3h> CuteAlien, That's a horrible complex way of killing a word processor XD
[12:41] <CuteAlien> cuddylier, alternatively ESC and then type :q!
[12:41] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: does ping 8.8.8.8 work?
[12:42] <KrazyKrivda1> thor: it seems to be working.. pinging 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8 repeatedly
[12:43] <EuroNerd> Is there still a Netbook Edition of Ubuntu?  Because the latest I can see for my Eee PC model is 10.10.
[12:43] <CuteAlien> z1gg3h, ESC is just to be sure to be in the "command" mode. The power of VI comes from knowing all the commands - then the cursors starts to follow your thinking :-)
[12:44] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: ok, that means it got a link, does eg. host google.com return a few IPs?
[12:44] <KrazyKrivda1> thor: type host google.com in shell?
[12:45] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: yes
[12:45] <KrazyKrivda1> connection timed out
[12:45] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: no servers could be reached
[12:45] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: does it use DHCP or static ip?
[12:45] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: dhcp
[12:45] <Haunt_House> dr_willis: the idea about .desktop is cool
[12:47] <cuddylier> How do I save a nano file once I'm finished editing?
[12:47] <tsimpson> cuddylier: Ctrl-O
[12:47] <cuddylier> Thank you tsimpson :)
[12:48] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:48] <KrazyKrivda1> input/ouptut error?
[12:49] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: ^^
[12:49] <Thor> what?
[12:49] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: that file is empty?
[12:49] <Haunt_House> dr_willis: worked very well. Now I'm all set to do screencasts. thank you very much
[12:49] <z1gg3h> CuteAlien, Ah, fair enough. Quick question, do you know much about nVidia drivers and Ubuntu?
[12:50] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: sudo dhclient -r
[12:50] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: then sudo dhclient
[12:50] <KrazyKrivda1> rtnetlink answers: file exists
[12:51] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: did you do -r first?
[12:51] <KrazyKrivda1> yes
[12:51] <Thor> try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:51] <SubaruSVX> O/
[12:51] <SubaruSVX> Howdy Thor
[12:52] <lucido> can you share your lan internet as a wifi acess point on a  laptop?
[12:52] <Thor> howdy SubaruSVX
[12:52] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: ok.. network interfaces reconfigured
[12:52] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: check if DNS works now
[12:52] <CuteAlien> z1gg3h, no - I clicked something to allow using proprietary stuff in the software update tool. And then I think typed nvidia in the finder and found it somehow like that (did that over a year ago... so no longer sure)
[12:52] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: eg. with host google.com
[12:53] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: still no luck.. why is resolv.conf empty.  what should be in there?
[12:53] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: resolv.conf is autogenerated with the DNS server and search domain based on the DHCP response
[12:54] <Thor> I don't know why it's empty
[12:54] <z1gg3h> CuteAlien, Ah, pretty straight forward then. I'm wrestling with demons in comparison. Every time I run an application in full screen (Wesnoth for example) the resolution goes haywire and completely berked. Gotta shift into tty1 and force a reboot.
[12:54] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: have you tried rebooting the machine?
[12:54] <arand> lucido: Yes, it should be a matter of simply creating a new wireless network, and enabling the "share with other ..." option for it, it should share the LAN automatically.
[12:54] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: yes.. multiple times
[12:54] <CuteAlien> z1gg3h, hm, fullscreen - didn't test much. Can do that later on (I'm testing some 3D stuff right now anyway)
[12:55] <CuteAlien> but doesn't exactly sound like a driver problem to me
[12:55] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: in a shell, type: nameserver 8.8.8.8
[12:55] <Linkandzelda> what could be wrong with my external USB hdd to cause it to stop my computer loading grub when its plugged in?
[12:55] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: then try host google.com again
[12:56] <cuddylier> What's the command to install java 7, which would be for a minecraft server?
[12:56] <jake__> How do I logoff from Lubuntu via terminal?
[12:57] <z1gg3h> CuteAlien, Sounds good.
[12:57] <lucido> arand, doesnt seem to be working that way
[12:58] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: still nothing..
[12:58] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: does it work with a cable?
[12:59] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: unfourtunatley i do not believe i am able to test that
[12:59] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: additionally, does it work on other wireless connections? is it a new installation?
[12:59] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: and what version of Ubuntu?
[13:00] <loadid> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19304992/printererror.png.  I installed 12.10 fresh and now I can't find any printers.  Any ideas on the error shown in the pic?
[13:01] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: it works on no wireless connections.. and its a live versioon of ubuntu.  It was running last night and I ran some updates and now it is broken.. a fresh version of this live did work
[13:02] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: live as on a cd or on a usb stick?
[13:02] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: i have a persistent and non persisten live.. the non persistent is still working.. wihle the updates on the persisten is borking something
[13:02] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: yes.. usb
[13:02] <trece8> can someone remind me of how to set up display resolutions by hand?
[13:02] <cuddylier> How do I install java 7, what's the command?
[13:03] <philinux> loadid: is the printer connected direct via usb
[13:04] <loadid> philinux: it's networked... i didn't realize cups wasn't installed
[13:04] <gnnr> cuddylier, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[13:04] <loadid> I installed cups and it activated philinux
[13:04] <philinux> nice one
[13:05] <mikael_> hi
[13:05] <philinux> loadid: I thought cups was always installed by default
[13:05] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: any other ideas :-\
[13:05] <loadid> I would have assumed that.. I guess not in this case philinux
[13:05] <mikael_> i'm having a spot of trouble with settings being lost after reboot. keyboard layout and password are those i've discovered so far
[13:05] <cuddylier> Is java 6 or 7 more efficient?
[13:05] <philinux> loadid: it is here odd
[13:06] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: what kind of a wireless card is on the machine you are using? Did you run it on the same computer as it worked on yesterday?
[13:06] <loadid> it was a freash download of 12.10 64 philinux
[13:06] <loadid> Kubuntu 12.10 philinux
[13:06] <BluesKaj> cuddylier, open your package manger and type java 7 , or  openjdk7. Install from there
[13:06] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: i'm not sure hwo to check the card... but yes.. all same computer.. and it does work still if i run a fresh version of the live on this same PC
[13:06] <philinux> loadid: same here but not kubuntu. maybe kubuntu does not install it by default then eh?
[13:06] <rhineheart_m> hello... may I know what version of ubuntu desktop that can run in pentium 4, 256 mb ram?
[13:07] <cuddylier> BluesKaj I'm using ssh
[13:07] <screwsss> rhineheart_m sounds like u were trying to do what i was trying to do all this last week
[13:07] <lucido> my android device doesnt see my ubuntu wifi ap but other devices do
[13:07] <philinux> rhineheart_m: lxde or xfce maybe
[13:07] <screwsss> rhineheart_m: and i got the screenshots to prove it
[13:08] <loadid> i'm sure it wasn't intended philinux, maybe something that went wrong on my install
[13:08] <screwsss> rhineheart_m: I tried to put ubuntu on http://imgur.com/OCs5x,I2O8x this
[13:08] <Thor> KrazyKrivda1: I would try set it up again and see if it happens again if you do the update
[13:08] <screwsss> rhineheart_m: look at the second pic its 512 ram right
[13:08] <screwsss> rhineheart_m: i can tell you it was so slow i went back to xp
[13:08] <BluesKaj> cuddylier, then use your client pc package manager to find the proper name
[13:08] <cuddylier> Okay
[13:09] <KrazyKrivda1> Thor: this has been a repeating problem.. and not jsut from updates.. its seems this flakes out often.. i have re-setup this several times.. but it had been running well for the last week.. I had done many tweaks and woudl love to find what is going wrong instead of spending hours re-diong the setup
[13:10] <mikael_> i seem to get the keyboard layout reset to en_US after reboot, anybody got an idea why that'd be? ubuntu server 12.04
[13:11] <philinux> rhineheart_m: lubuntu might run or check out peppermint OS
[13:11] <savio> i just now setup apache2 the root directory permission is all for root:root how i can set this to my user so i can edit the html files
[13:11] <loadid> cuddylier: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-in-ubuntu-12-04.html
[13:12] <KrazyKrivda1> does anyone know how to fix my /etc/resolv.conf file? it is empty
[13:13] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, are you using network manager
[13:13] <gnnr> nameserver [addresshere]
[13:13] <KrazyKrivda1> BluesKaj: i believe so
[13:13] <KrazyKrivda1> gnnr: it wont let me make changes to the file.. it says input/output errors
[13:14] <loadid> KrazyKrivda1: nameserver 127.0.1.1 is all it needs
[13:14] <loadid> if it even needs that
[13:15] <CuteAlien> KrazyKrivda1, type: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[13:15] <CuteAlien> does it have any w in the first lines?
[13:16] <dr_willis> i/o errors? may be time to fsck the filesystem
[13:16] <CuteAlien> like: -rw-r---r---
[13:16] <gnnr> KrazyKrivda1, you can create a file  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail and add entries there I believe.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, /etc/resolv.conf is written to by  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head , that's where to place any nameservers and dns nameservers if you use them
[13:17] <gnnr> BluesKaj's example works too, hope that helps
[13:17] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, and just ignore the silly warning
[13:17] <loadid> i've had some problems using partclone dr_willis... after using partclone to restore my / partition i started getting lots of {drrty} errors, I/O errors and the fs would remount as ro causing lots of errros as programs opened and executed
[13:17] <Thor> How can I get bash_completion to work with ssh? It used to work, but now ubuntu uses hashed known_hosts file, so as far as I can see, bash_completion haven't been updated to work with the new known_hosts format
[13:18] <savio> how to set permission so that i can access html files and edit them in /var/www
[13:18] <loadid> just some info for you to know dr_willis
[13:18] <BluesKaj> gnnr, in  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head , yes it will , /etc/resolv.conf gets over written by the herad file
[13:18] <baggers> Hi folks, I'm using the ubuntu build for the nexus7 and I havent been able to network over usb. Is the usbnet module not part of the current 'ubuntu for nexus7' kernel?
[13:19] <cuddylier> I just installed phpmyadmin, although how do I make it so I can access it remotely? I currently get this page, http://198.15.69.170/phpmyadmin
[13:19] <ikonia> baggers: what ubuntu build for nexus 7 ?
[13:19] <ikonia> baggers: where did you get that ?
[13:19] <theadmin> Thor: Works in zsh for me, I dunno anything about bash though
[13:19] <baggers> ikonia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7
[13:19] <gnnr> savio, sudo usermod -G www-data username then sudo chown www-data:www-data /var/www
[13:19] <KrazyKrivda1> BluesKaj: that file does not exist
[13:20] <Thor> theadmin: doesn't zsh have it's own completion thing similar to fish?
[13:20] <ikonia> baggers: just having a little read as I'm not aware of this
[13:20] <theadmin> gnnr: Bad idea, use usermod -aG
[13:20] <theadmin> Thor: Nah, it depends on your configuration. I'm using oh-my-zsh, personally
[13:20] <rhineheart_m> screwsss: were you able to try peppermint OS as suggested? and lubuntu>
[13:20] <mandi_root> hi all
[13:20] <gnnr> thx theadmin
[13:20] <jrib> savio: do not do that usermod command
[13:21] <philinux> ikonia: MS had it running at UDS
[13:21] <savio> jrib, then ?
[13:21] <ikonia> baggers: the page suggests #ubuntu-arm is the right channel
[13:21] <ikonia> baggers: it looks like a pretty early development build,
[13:21] <baggers> ikonia: Its very early days, but I'm playing around with embedded lisp so its a nice platform for me
[13:21] <baggers> ikonia: yup, certainly is
[13:21] <ikonia> philinux: yeah, that doesn't mean much to me considering how much it's about publity over stability
[13:21] <philinux> indeed
[13:21] <savio> jrib, gnnr i previously set username:username to www i.e on my previous ubuntu installation
[13:22] <philinux> ikonia: very early days and just a demo
[13:22] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, alt+f2 , gksudo gedit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[13:22] <jrib> savio: sorry, I don't have time right now.  I just caught that in the corner of my screen.  Others can help you
[13:22] <savio> jrib, no problem
[13:23] <BluesKaj> jr
[13:23] <baggers> ikonia: its definitely just for dev at the moment, but I'm still having plenty of fun with it. Just wondered if anyone knew much about netusb as I havent really messed with it before
[13:23] <baggers> ikonia: I'm getting the feeling i may have to do a kernel recompile to enable it though
[13:23] <KrazyKrivda1> BluesKaj: i can edit the file.. but really im creating a new 1?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, no you're just editing ,save it after adding the nameserver(s)
[13:24] <KrazyKrivda1> BluesKaj: there is no file at that location now
[13:25] <Sefid_par> How can I get ubuntu 12.04 live recognize parallel port?
[13:25] <gnnr> savio, i'll let someone else help you
[13:25] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, what version of ubuntu?
[13:25] <Sefid_par> I wanna program my microcontroller using parallel port and it does not recognize parallel port!
[13:25] <savio> gnnr, thanks
[13:25] <trece8> how do I add a resolution to X that isn't there?
[13:26] <KrazyKrivda1> BluesKaj: I'm running a live version of ubuntu.. it's 11.10 i believe but not the full distr
[13:26] <loadid> KrazyKrivda1: make sure any proprietary drivers are enabled in "additional drivers"?
[13:26] <gnnr> i mean to say chown www-data:users
[13:26] <Aca_floss__> Hello everyone.
[13:27] <Aca_floss__> I have problem with Firefox 16.0.2
[13:27] <Aca_floss__> I use Kubuntu 12.10
[13:27] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, ok I should have asked , my mistake ...live versions are difficult to setup if the networking doesn't work out of the box
[13:27] <loadid> KrazyKrivda1: add the ppdev module to the end of /etc/modules and reboot?
[13:27] <loadid> maybe can test with modprobe ppdev KrazyKrivda1?
[13:27] <jsmith085> finally I made it
[13:28] <Aca_floss__> and I can't set serbian locales in fiorefox.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, why 11.10 anyway , why not 12.10?
[13:28] <demit> irc.indonesianbacktrack.or.id
[13:28] <KrazyKrivda1> because the live isn't setup to run on the new 12.10
[13:29] <mikael_> does anybody have an idea why my password is reset after reboot? i've tried changing it using sudo passwd.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> burn one , KrazyKrivda1
[13:30] <Isfirs_92> hey. i installed mysql sevrer and client via apt-get and now i wanna start the server. how can i look up all my isntalled commands? :)
[13:30] <Aca_floss__> Some outputs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334687/    http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334702/  and nebojsa@nebojsa-Presario-CQ56-Notebook-PC:~$ LC_ALL=sr firefox -no-remote                                                                                                                                                                          (firefox:3908): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[13:31] <gnnr> Isfirs_92, installed commands for mysql?
[13:31] <Isfirs_92> first yes, and then then general :/
[13:31] <Isfirs_92> -then
[13:31] <savio> !www-data
[13:32] <Isfirs_92> im not a total newby to ubuntu, but still need to learn some stuff
[13:32] <dickmc> any ideas on a DVD player?  tried xine, vlp and movie player  using 12.10 on 7 year old HP laptop.  xine says i need decription
[13:33] <Led_Zeppelin> for sound should I use alsa or OSS
[13:33] <ThinkT510> dickmc: vlc or gnome-mplayer
[13:33] <Isfirs_92> pls help :(
[13:33] <loadid> Led_Zeppelin: pulse autio
[13:33] <loadid> audio
[13:33] <Led_Zeppelin> i see
[13:33] <gnnr> well Isfirs_92 you can try: man mysql
[13:33] <Isfirs_92> yay!
[13:33] <Isfirs_92> what is "man" doing?
[13:34] <dickmc> i'll try gnome  vlp would bring up the menu but not play the videos on my Tai Chi disc
[13:34] <gnnr> man displays all possible arguments, a description and other information about a given command
[13:34] <loadid> libdvdcss?
[13:34] <kreature> I'm having troubles with the ubuntu installer. It's telling me: "The network configuration was successful. However, no default route was set: the system does not know how to communicate with hosts on the Internet"
[13:34] <kreature> something is wrong with the dhcp process
[13:34] <kreature> can anyone help me with this?
[13:34] <Isfirs_92> gnnr thanks :)
[13:34] <tsimpson> mikael_: "sudo passwd" sets the password for the root user, not your user, just run "passwd" to change your password
[13:35] <dickmc> loadid  where do i find libdvdcss?
[13:35] <kreature> the dhclient is actually getting a proper lease with all the options
[13:35] <kreature> it just doesn't set the default gateway I think
[13:35] <gnnr> Isfirs_92, you can also tab complete in bash, so if you type my and hit tab twice it will give you possible commands
[13:35] <kreature> how can I check the network configuration during install in the shell?
[13:35] <mikael_> tsimpson: ... *sigh* thanks :)
[13:35] <Isfirs_92> ah, that works too? nice
[13:35] <cho> 123
[13:35] <compdoc> kreature, how many network cards in the system? is the patch cord(s) plugged in?
[13:35] <loadid> Isfirs_92: man = manual, it's the documentation for the programs you have installed... try "man (program name)"
[13:36] <kreature> compdoc: 1 network card, virtual machine, it's plugged in :)
[13:36] <mikael_> tsimpson, you wouldn't happen to know why my keyboard layout is reset as well?
[13:36] <loadid> dickmc: google medibuntu
[13:36] <mikael_> from sv_SE to en_US
[13:36] <compdoc>  kreature, this is a virtual machine your having problems with?
[13:36] <Linkandzelda> can anyone tell me how to keep the changes I make to inotify watch count? it resets itself each bootup
[13:36] <kreature> yes
[13:36] <dickmc> loadid  thx
[13:37] <kreature> I'm in the isntall process
[13:37] <kreature> just after network configuration
[13:37] <tsimpson> mikael_: I wouldn't, no. I've never had that issue
[13:37] <kreature> I've dropped to the shell to check some things
[13:37] <compdoc> kreature, unless youve set up a bridge, then youre using the default virtual network?
[13:37] <compdoc> which VM package do you use?
[13:37] <kreature> yes, I've attached the default network. The dhcp server is in the same network
[13:37] <Led_Zeppelin> how does one setup pulseaudio if he is using fluxbox instead of gnome. Is there a command to start it up?
[13:38] <kreature> compdoc: vCenter / VMware
[13:38] <compdoc> oh
[13:38] <Isfirs_92> meh, i still cant conenct to server :( how can i see processes to look for mysql?
[13:38] <compdoc> dont know vmware
[13:38] <savio> !pluseaudio
[13:38] <kreature> I can't imagine it's the vm settings
[13:38] <BluesKaj> KrazyKrivda1, ok as gnnr suggested , nameserver goes in /etc/resolv.conf in 11.10 ...it changes in 12.04 so be aware
[13:38] <kreature> I think it's a problem with dhcp config
[13:38] <kreature> somehow
[13:39] <compdoc> does sound like the guest does not see the dhcp service
[13:39] <kreature> my client is receiving a proper lease with all the correct settings
[13:39] <kreature> it just doesn't seem to apply them somehow
[13:40] <compdoc> which version of ubuntu is the guest?
[13:40] <gnnr> BluesKaj, how does it change in 12.04?
[13:40] <kreature> 10.04, lucid
[13:40] <compdoc> phffft. old stuff
[13:40] <kreature> I know, but it should work :-)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> gnnr, it goes to the  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head file which writes the /etc/resolv.conf ...convoluted I know but that's what the devs decided
[13:42] <gnnr> Isfirs_92, ps ax | grep processnamehere
[13:43] <xrfang_> hi, I am building deb packages, is there a way I can specify minimum *distribution* requirement, i.e. the package require 12.04 or higher ?
[13:44] <cuddylier> How do I give the user 'minecraft' permission to do this? http://survival.spartanmc.net/multicraft/install.php
[13:45] <gustav__> xrfang_: Implicit, by requiring packages only available on those distributions, maybe?
[13:45] <cuddylier> It needs permission to write to /var/www/multicraft/protected/runtime but how do I give it?
[13:46] <xrfang_> gustav__, ok, thanks, then I need to find what packages are guaranteed to exists on which distribution
[13:46] <gustav__> xrfang_: Yep. That might be hard. Right?
[13:47] <gustav__> xrfang_: Can't some install script use lsb_release and look for the correct distribution?
[13:47] <xrfang_> probably not too difficult, but I think it might not be reliable.
[13:47] <xrfang_> hm...
[13:47] <gustav__> I'm not sure what actually denotes a specific distribution.
[13:47] <xrfang_> that's easier, thanks
[13:47] <gustav__> lsb_release is the formal method, I think.
[13:48] <xrfang_> indeed.
[13:48] <Chotaz> Installed jr6 and and jr7 and icedtea plugin from the software center, yet I can't launch java applets(http://filebot.sourceforge.net/) from google chrome, why?
[13:49] <gnnr> cuddylier, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[13:49] <dickmc> exit
[13:51] <Isfirs_92> i did isntalled to wrong package xD
[13:56] <Led_Zeppelin> how does one setup pulseaudio if he is using fluxbox instead of gnome. Is there a command to start it up?
[13:57] <Led_Zeppelin> or what is the command to setup pulseaudio?
[13:58] <Pitel_IPEX> how can I disable Alt key for the unity "command line"?
[13:58] <gnnr> Led_Zeppelin, man pulseaudio
[13:59] <Hukka> What parameters do I need for the init/kernel in grub to select integrated graphics instead of discrete?
[13:59] <Led_Zeppelin> gnnr, thanks
[13:59] <dr_willis> Pitel_IPEX:  i think the proper term is the unity 'hud' i recall seeing some tweak tools that could disable the hud. i think one was mentioned on omgubuntu or webupd8 blog sitr last week
[13:59] <Hukka> My computer is Llano+nvidia, where the nvidia is for computation
[14:00] <Hukka> EFI and grub shows correctly on integrated, but nothing after that does
[14:00] <cuddylier> How do I make /var/www/multicraft/protected/runtime writeable by the user 'minecraft'? I have looked through those permissions and just got more confused..
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Led_Zeppelin, also pavucontrol can help with setting your audio card input and output options
[14:02] <blazemore> cuddylier: You make sure the "minecraft" user owns it with "chown minecraft: /var/www/multicraft/protected/runtime"
[14:02] <blazemore> cuddylier: Then make sure "owner" has write permission bits set using chmod
[14:02] <AaronMT> !hardy
[14:02] <cuddylier> I don't have the user owner though blazemore
[14:02] <blazemore> cuddylier: So chmod 644 would be owner read/write, world-read
[14:02] <sls> in #als
[14:03] <Chotaz> Installed jr6 and and jr7 and icedtea plugin from the software center, yet I can't launch java applets(http://filebot.sourceforge.net/) from google chrome, why?
[14:03] <blazemore> cuddylier: if you don't own it, you can't change permissions on it. Obviously.
[14:03] <cuddylier> I did chown minecraft: /var/www/multicraft/protected/runtime but same error
[14:03] <sls> hello
[14:03] <cuddylier> blazemore http://198.15.69.170/multicraft/install.php
[14:03] <dr_willis> Chotaz:  does java work on other sites?
[14:03] <blazemore> cuddylier: Otherwise the whole concept of security would be pointless. cuddylier root can do it
[14:03] <Led_Zeppelin> BluesKaj, thats exactly what I was looking for! thanks
[14:03] <blazemore> cuddylier: try "sudo chown..."
[14:03] <cuddylier> Yeah, I made this use seperate users though which seems wrong..
[14:03] <cuddylier> good idea
[14:04] <compdoc> kreature, which model of nic are you assigning to the guest? try e1000 or the realtek
[14:04] <kreature> compdoc: it's an e1000
[14:04] <Pitel_IPEX> dr_willis: thanks, I disabled the HUD in ubuntu tweak.
[14:04]  * dr_willis likes the hud
[14:04] <Chotaz> dr_willis, seems so, I can launch facebook games
[14:04] <kreature> it must be something in the dhcp settings, during install the dhclient-script might crash or something like that
[14:05] <cuddylier> blazemore I think the command worked as I'm using the root account currently but still same error :S
[14:05] <kreature> I'm reviewing the dhcpd configuration
[14:05] <dr_willis> Chotaz:  facebook uses java? thought it was flash
[14:05] <cuddylier> When I changed the file permission numbers it worked but I want to do that without changing those permissions
[14:05] <Chotaz> dr
[14:05] <Chotaz> dr_willis, my bad then
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Led_Zeppelin,np, hope it works for you
[14:05] <Chotaz> dr_willis, http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp this does not work
[14:06] <Led_Zeppelin> BluesKaj, it does. thanks a lot.
[14:06] <dr_willis> Chotaz:  could be its wants the oracle java 7.
[14:06] <dr_willis> !java
[14:06] <dr_willis> bbl
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Led_Zeppelin, good
[14:06] <Led_Zeppelin> BluesKaj, i use fluxbox so I needed some help :p
[14:07] <compdoc> kreature, seems there are issues with lucid and the e1000. they created an update for it
[14:07] <BluesKaj> leds  I tried fluxbox on my old pc waaay back ..it was a nice desktop
[14:07] <compdoc> try another
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Led_Zeppelin,^
[14:07] <kreature> ok
[14:08] <Led_Zeppelin> its actually awesome
[14:08] <Led_Zeppelin> low CPU and RAM
[14:08] <kreature> compdoc: i'll try a more recent version
[14:08] <Led_Zeppelin> just curious, when I open up gnome-terminal does it load all gnome ? or just the ternimal?
[14:08] <Touhou11> Wouldn't recommend fluxbox, lacks a lot of basic features
[14:08] <compdoc> kreature, no, I mean try another model of nic
[14:09] <Led_Zeppelin> Touhou11, like what? i like the basic features
[14:09] <Mrokii> Hello. I need help with remapping keys via xmodmap. Currently I can use only the right Alt-key to reach the 3rd symbol (like "{[]}]". I know that in theory it should be possible to set certain keys via xmodmap but it just doe
[14:09] <Mrokii> Hello. I need help with remapping keys via xmodmap. Currently I can use only the right Alt-key to reach the 3rd symbol (like "{[]}]". I know that in theory it should be possible to set certain keys via xmodmap but it just doesn't work.
[14:10] <blazemore> cuddylier: What is the actual error?
[14:10] <Touhou11> Led_Zeppelin: Compositing, user-friendly configuration
[14:10] <Mrokii> I also tried the options in the keyboard-preferences (there is one that changes the key for the 3rd symbol). But this does not do anything at all.
[14:10] <cuddylier> blazemore 'Application runtime path "/var/www/multicraft/protected/runtime" is not valid. Please make sure it is a directory writable by the Web server process.'
[14:10] <Led_Zeppelin> not sure what compositing means but sure.
[14:16] <blazemore> cuddylier: What user is running the "web server process"?
[14:25] <Guest20379> hello
[14:26] <Guest20379> is there anyone?
[14:26] <Guest20379> i am a newby
[14:26] <BrianBlaze> what up?
[14:26] <Guest20379> how to change my nickname?
[14:26] <MoTec> type /nick Whatever
[14:26] <Guest20379> i am in thunderbird at ubuntu 12.10
[14:27] <Touhou11> MoTec: Whatever is taken
[14:27] <Michalegaozixu> hah
[14:27] <MoTec> Heh, but of course
[14:27] <Michalegaozixu> i made it,thaks MoTec
[14:27] <Michalegaozixu> i'm a chinese~~
[14:28] <Michalegaozixu> so,how to install a new theme for unity with 12.10?
[14:29] <Michalegaozixu> where can i find some
[14:29] <kreature> compdoc: where did you find info about this issue?
[14:30] <compdoc> google
[14:30] <kreature> e1000 and 10.04?
[14:30] <net_runner007> hello all
[14:30] <Bombo> i'm using ubuntu 12.10, how do i tell the gnome networkmanager (0.9) NOT to shut down the network devices, when the system goes into sleep mode? wake-on-lan won't work then...
[14:31] <Michalegaozixu> omgubuntu？
[14:32] <Michalegaozixu> nobody knows？
[14:32] <net_runner007> so I have a quick question... everytime I startup the os (ubuntu 12.1) the screen brightness is reset to the brightest level. is there anyway to permanently lock it to the brightness of my choice?
[14:33] <Michalegaozixu> i didnt meet this issue
[14:33] <Michalegaozixu> so i cannot help u
[14:34] <chipotle> hi, can i install ubuntu via the windows installer and still keep my windows partition?
[14:35] <Michalegaozixu> use wubi or burn a cd
[14:35] <chipotle> Michalegaozixu what is wubi?
[14:35] <net_runner007> wubi is the windows ubuntu installer
[14:37] <Michalegaozixu> bye guys,go to sleep~
[14:37] <chipotle> net_runner007 i have wubi up but it doesn't say anything about partitions
[14:37] <chipotle> just says installation drive 429GB free
[14:38] <Hotdog> why does when i'm trying to run a .net application, it does not show up even I have already installed mono runtime
[14:38] <Hotdog> btw im using 12.10
[14:38] <chipotle> net_runner007 this is the 12.04 installer...
[14:38] <moondoggy> net_runner007, what is your hardware?  Is it your monitor resetting?
[14:39] <Hotdog> anyone? :)
[14:40] <net_runner007> moondoggy, I'm running it on a fujitsu laptop. i don't think it's the monitor tho becuz the 'screen and lock' under 'system settings' is what is allways reset to the brightest level
[14:40] <moondoggy> Oh.  Are you always checking with the same power setup (always plugged in, or always not)?
[14:40] <Michalegaozixu> driver problem
[14:41] <Michalegaozixu> or power setup
[14:41] <net_runner007> chipotle, i don't know what to tell you. except that i highly recomend backing up all your important files like on an external harddrive before attempting any kind of harddrive partitioning
[14:41] <net_runner007> yes. usually allways plugged in
[14:41] <chipotle> net_runner007 i'm asking if i can partition because i don't see any option to do that...
[14:42] <moondoggy> Usually always" is almost as good as "always."  :)
[14:42] <net_runner007> chipotle, generally you have to partition your harddrive first then when you run wubi it will give you the option where to install
[14:42] <Thor> How can I get bash_completion to work with ssh? It used to work, but now ubuntu uses hashed known_hosts file, so as far as I can see, bash_completion haven't been updated to work with the new known_hosts format
[14:42] <moondoggy> net_runner007, is this when you wake up the monitor, or do a reboot?
[14:42] <net_runner007> reboot only
[14:45] <moondoggy> net_runner007, Hmmm... I don't know where those settings are, then.  When you log in, does it go to your chosen brightness?
[14:46] <net_runner007> no never. when i log in it allways resets to maximum brightness which is irritating at best
[14:46] <Chotaz> Installed open JDK7 and icetea-7 plugin from the software center, however, I'm not being able to launch java applets from google chrome
[14:46] <Chotaz> what should I  d
[14:46] <Chotaz> o?
[14:47] <moondoggy> Oh, that is irritating.  I'm surprised that your other settings are not affected.
[14:47] <net_runner007> y use google chrome firefox is better
[14:48] <Chotaz> net_runner007, that's a matter of opinion, I don't like firefox hogging on my memory
[14:48] <cuddylier> blazemore The root user is
[14:48] <net_runner007> yeah it did the same thing with previous versions of ubuntu
[14:53] <toastcfh> anyone used btrfs ?
[14:54] <compdoc> not me. not yet
[14:55] <blazemore> Yes but not any of the cool features
[14:55] <cuddylier> How do I delete a directory by ssh?
[14:56] <toastcfh> rm -rf /path/to/it
[14:56] <Chotaz> -rf is Recursive and forced deletion, be ware on using it
[14:57] <toastcfh> ^
[14:58] <toastcfh> it will be gone FOREVaH
[14:59] <Chotaz> toastcfh, just preventing because I had to recover a complete system after a really bad case of using "apt-get purge"
[14:59] <toastcfh> ;x
[14:59] <Chotaz> so I'm being extra cautious on anything that involves deletion
[14:59] <toastcfh> +1
[15:00] <Chotaz> Got home higher than usual on weed, decided to play a game, had to remove the current version of wine that I'm using and wrote purge instead of removed
[15:00] <Chotaz> I only noticed i'd done crap when I say the console output "Removing ubuntu-desktop"
[15:00] <Chotaz> saw*
[15:00] <carbon60> Anyone have a suggestion for a tool to maintain 4-5 admin accounts across 20 systems? Looking for something that will create accounts, add to groups, copy ssh key. Don't want a central auth system, rather something lightweight.
[15:01] <iceroot> Chotaz: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop   its just a metapackage, nothing destroyed
[15:01] <Chotaz> iceroot, I know I've been through all of it done, if ubuntu-desktop was the only packged that got removed...
[15:01] <Linkandzelda>  can somone tell me how to free up cached ram?
[15:02] <iceroot> Linkandzelda: why?
[15:03] <iceroot> Linkandzelda: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[15:03] <iceroot> Linkandzelda: you dont want to free cached/buffered ram by yourself
[15:03] <Linkandzelda> iceroot: becuase my system caches 14gb of my ram, then performance becomes slow as it begins to use space
[15:03] <Linkandzelda> iceroot: thanks, i'll check that out
[15:04] <iceroot> Linkandzelda: yes read that link, its not bad that the system is caching 14gb ram
[15:04] <iceroot> Linkandzelda: maybe not usuall but its not a problem
[15:04] <Linkandzelda> iceroot: if you're sure, I know caching is a good thing but, I like to have fast performance lol
[15:10] <cuddylier> Where would mv protected ~/var  have moved the file? I've looked in the var folder and it's not there
[15:10] <Chotaz> I know this is very model/brand specific but can anyone help me get a Brother MFCJ415W multifunction work on Ubuntu 12.10?
[15:10] <Chotaz> cuddylier, is "protected" hidden?
[15:10] <cuddylier> It wasn't before I moved it
[15:11] <Fuzzles> does anyone know how to get blacklight retribution running in ubuntu?
[15:12] <cuddylier> Chotaz I still don't see it in the var directory, it was never hidden before :(
[15:13] <philinux> Chotaz: 32 or 64 bit install
[15:13] <gandhijee_> hey, where can i get the source packge for the ubuntu libc with the configure flags it was built with?
[15:14] <IdleOne> gandhijee_: apt-get source packagename
[15:14] <Linkandzelda> iceroot: 41 seconds to open software center lol
[15:15] <gandhijee_> thank youu
[15:17] <solofight> people, when i boot into my ubuntu instance the screen goes blank and login never shows up. When i select recovery mode this happens http://www.freeimagehosting.net/cqd27
[15:17] <solofight> is my hdd dying ?
[15:20] <tacirus> Hello, what is the name for keyboard preferances manager in GNOME?
[15:22] <Carol28> so... XboxBurner... on ubuntu... anyone uses it?
[15:22] <tacirus> not me
[15:22] <SwedeMike> !anyone | carol28
[15:23] <IdleOne> Carol28: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xboxburner/support
[15:24] <Linkandzelda> iceroot: ok disk cache is awesome, but how can I speed up uncached application loading? I tried the example with ubuntu software center and I first cleared the cache and loaded it, 30 seconds to open. then i closed and reopened it and it was almost instant. That tells me I need to improve disk loading speeds, right?
[15:24] <Chotaz> philinux, sorry, was out for a smoke, that'd be 64 bit
[15:26] <L3top> !bcm > L3top
[15:30] <spaceneedle> Ubuntu 12.10 boots up to a black screen on my dell latitude d610. Anyone else have this problem?
[15:30] <food> Most dell is having problems.... !!!
[15:31] <food> Most of dell laptop are having problems with Linux.... !!!
[15:32] <spaceneedle> food: I hope they fix it.
[15:32] <compdoc> spaceneedle, is there an EFI/UEFI setting in the bios for the display?
[15:33] <spaceneedle> compdoc: no--I didn't see anything pertaining to uefi.
[15:33] <L3top> I wouldnt think so on a d610.
[15:34] <L3top> !nomodeset | spaceneedle
[15:34] <food> spaceneedle, Yeah, I heard they will work with Linux too.. The Nvidia also should be fixed (I loved the Linus video about nvidia)
[15:35] <spaceneedle> The dell d610  is old--but it is a common business laptop and is very tough.
[15:36] <spaceneedle> nomodeset didn't work for me.
[15:36] <_val_> He guys. When are you going to release a spice-xpi package? Compiling this the source of spice-xpi gives me head ache. Someone?
[15:36] <AdvoWork> Hi there, am i correct in thinking the root user should not be allowed to login(if it does, it needs disabling (just the login bit) ?
[15:37] <compdoc> spaceneedle, edit /etc/default/grub, and enable:    GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768
[15:37] <food> AdvoWork, Use sudo , Disable network loging for root
[15:38] <AdvoWork> food, is that just done in /etc/ssh/sshd_config or similar?
[15:38] <spaceneedle> compdoc: I'l give it a try. Signing out.
[15:39] <chipotle> how do i get around windows 8/lenovo's secure boot so i can install ubuntu?
[15:39] <AdvoWork> food, i still want to be able to use root, but just stop it logging in as root
[15:40] <food> AdvoWork, i think root is not allowed ssh login in default installation
[15:40] <AdvoWork> food, i've probably enabled it to be fair
[15:40] <food> AdvoWork, how you enabled it?
[15:41] <gustav__> Hey, do you people know of anything like MIT OCW or Yale OYC?
[15:41] <_val_> I think it just needs  passwd -d
[15:41] <_val_> as root
[15:41] <AdvoWork> god knows, was ages ago, but i can do ssh root@192..... and it lets me in with password
[15:41] <food> AdvoWork, rmuser root ssh
[15:41] <_val_> AdvoWork: also check in /etc/ssh/sshd_config if PermitRootLogin is enabled
[15:42] <AdvoWork> _val_, thats enabled, so disable, do i need to restart anything?
[15:42] <_val_> AdvoWork: yes
[15:42] <_val_> service ssh restart
[15:42] <_val_> anyways, this is ironic, somone seeking for help is providing help ^
[15:42] <chipotle> gustav__ i went to mit, what's your question?
[15:42] <_val_> He guys. When are you going to release a spice-xpi package? Compiling this the source of spice-xpi gives me head ache. Someone?
[15:42] <chipotle> both are excellent
[15:42] <chipotle> harvard/mit also just started edX
[15:43] <AdvoWork> service ssh restart instead of /etc/init.d/ssh restart or same thing?
[15:43] <solofight> people, when i boot into my ubuntu instance the screen goes blank and login never shows up. When i select recovery mode this happens http://www.freeimagehosting.net/cqd27
[15:43] <solofight> is my hdd dying ?
[15:43] <_val_> AdvoWork: use serviceway
[15:43] <_val_> *service way*
[15:44] <AdvoWork> why? out of interest
[15:45] <compdoc> solofight, use the disk util to read the drive's SMART info. it will tell you if the drive is healthy
[15:45] <_val_> AdvoWork: man service
[15:47] <gustav__> chipotle: I'll check out edX, well, I'm looking for material. I can't go to any of those schools, so. I like the Yale stuff because the tech stuff can get really boring. I like English/literary theory.
[15:48] <wyclif> chipotle: the edX programming course is really good (MITx)
[15:48] <gustav__> chipotle: A lot of the courses seem like only introductory. I want more advanced stuff.
[15:48] <gustav__> I found a course in optimization, though, it was nice.
[15:49] <gustav__> Damn lecturers seem so damn smug all the time tough, not so much with Yale.
[15:49] <gandhijee_> what are the -uc and -us options for debuild mean? i am looking at debuilds man page but it doesn't seem to have that info...
[15:50] <wyclif> anyone here use irssi for IRC? I'm wondering why, when I come back from /away I don't see messages I missed. Shouldn't it display those?
[15:50] <gustav__> One professor kept repeating "these people are really immature" like a thousand times. That stuff just pisses me off.
[15:50] <gustav__> wyclif: Check (status.)
[15:51] <Chotaz> I know this is very brand/model specific but can anyone help me get a Brother MFCJ415W multifunction to work in Ubuntu 12.10?
[15:51] <solofight> compdoc: well the os is not booting up. guess i need to use the live disk or boot into windows in the same disk
[15:51] <tsimpson> gandhijee_: those are passed to dpkg-buildpackage, -us is "Do not sign the source package." -uc is "Do not sign the .changes file."
[15:51] <menace> gandhijee_: look in dpkg-buildpackage manpage
[15:51] <wyclif> gustav__: you mean /check is the actual irssi option?
[15:51] <wyclif> gustav__: the irssi homepage documentation isn't very good
[15:52] <compdoc> solofight, in windows, you can install speedfan or hd tune to read the SMART info
[15:52] <gustav__> wyclif: When go back from away, irssi lists all messages you got in the status window. That's ESC + 0.
[15:53] <wyclif> gustav__: ok, thanks. I was toggling /away to leave and come back, but not seeing messages
[15:53] <fego> wyclif: /SET awaylog_level MSGS HILIGHT     - Specifies what messages to log
[15:53] <gustav__> wyclif: Can you see them now?
[15:54] <fego> wyclif: also /SET awaylog_file ~/.irssi/away.log - Specifies the file to use
[15:54] <wyclif> gustav__: nope
[15:54] <magma> anybody is having problems with dropbox in this new version of ubuntu?
[15:55] <wyclif> fego: thanks.
[15:55] <fego> wyclif: np
[15:56] <gustav__> edX looks like yesterday's school...eh. Hm.
[15:57] <gustav__> I like the complete packages at OCW. "OCW Scholar" or what it's called.
[15:57] <gustav__> The more videos the better. :)
[15:57] <chipotle> gustav__ if you find a course at harvard or mit that you want the syllabi and psets to, let me know and i'll get it
[15:57] <AdvoWork> on my system as root i used to do: su postgres  which works fine, now ive disabled root login and logged in as my user, i can still do it but have todo sudo su postgres  which works. Ive just made a new user, and try it with them and it says they arent a member of the sudoers file. Ive just looked in /etc/sudoers  and my user isnt in there either, so how come my user works but the new one ive made doesnt?
[15:57] <chipotle> i still have an HUID, which gives me access to all of that
[15:57] <flexm> Hi everyone
[15:57] <chipotle> gustav__see here: http://www.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/courses-exams/courses-instruction
[15:58] <gustav__> chipotle: omgggg so much content...
[15:58] <flexm> Does anyone know how to clean wipe a disk
[15:58] <gustav__> chipotle: You won't get into trouble? :)
[15:58] <chipotle> nah
[15:58] <IdleOne> AdvoWork: only the first user is added to the admin group on creation. You need to add the new user to the admin group.
[15:59] <chipotle> i have my PhD so i dont really care
[15:59] <Guest18279> ciao a tutti
[15:59] <gustav__> chipotle: xD
[15:59] <Guest18279> !list
[15:59] <Guest18279> !List
[16:00] <flexm> ubottu: /msg ubottu !bot\
[16:00] <chipotle> Guest10599 maybe you should read before you assume
[16:00] <flexm> ubottu: /msg ubottu !alis
[16:00] <newmoon> ciao tutti
[16:00] <chipotle> there's nothing illegal about giving some a syllabi
[16:01] <newmoon> !lista
[16:01] <macabre> how would i go about setting up a auto responser for a no-reply email account? i'm using postfix/dovecot..
[16:01] <flexm> !list
[16:01] <newmoon> !LIST
[16:01] <gandhijee_> thanks tsimpson and menace
[16:01] <Miscni> !list
[16:01] <gustav__> chipotle: Nice. What's a pset?
[16:01] <IdleOne> enough
[16:01] <chipotle> wth
[16:01] <newmoon> ciao a tutti
[16:01] <wiehan> Ubuntu 12.10. Nvidia GTX 570 card. Now running Nouveou. Tried everything installing the latest drivers: Stable, beta, from the additional software dialogue (WITH NO SUCCESS) and from x-swat. Every time, and I mean every time - It installs and then reboots and the driver is not active, I have awefully low resolution running nvidia-xconfig doesn't help. Sometimes I even don't have window borders... I am pulling out my hair!
[16:01] <IdleOne> The message doesn't change
[16:01] <newmoon> !list
[16:01] <chipotle> gustav__ problem set
[16:02] <flexm> Does anyone know how to clean wipe a disk?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> !t | newmoon
[16:02] <fego> flexm: please stop playing with the bot
[16:02] <gustav__> flexm: shred /dev/sdX
[16:02] <rumpe1> flexm, use dd
[16:02] <flexm> thanx
[16:02] <b2b> flexm: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/your_device
[16:03] <flexm> b2b: thanx
[16:03] <rumpe1> b2b, /dev/urandom and bs=4M (or something) would be much faster
[16:03] <b2b> no prob
[16:03] <flexm> rumpe1: I know that rumpe1
[16:03] <b2b> flexm: rumpel is right
[16:04] <gustav__> chipotle: What about philosophy 141 or 147?
[16:04] <gustav__> Not sure what to do with a syllabus but it might be interesting.
[16:04] <chipotle> 141 hasn't been taught yet
[16:04] <gustav__> I see.
[16:05] <IdleOne> !ot | chipotle gustav__
[16:05] <fego> b2b: are you advising flexm to fill his hard disk with random data?
[16:05] <chipotle> nothing has been posted yet, you should stick to fall classes
[16:06] <chipotle> pm me with others
[16:06] <flexm> fego: I've done this before. It cleaned the disk
[16:07] <goonie45> help..
[16:07] <researcher123> when I restart Ubuntu 12.10 it shows a message on next boot up "No input signal" then again goes to boot menu repeatedly many times.
[16:08] <b2b> fego: what gave you THAT idea?
[16:11] <researcher123> sometimes my ADSL Router just gets disconnected.But when I start the PC after 5 minutes then router starts too
[16:12] <fego> b2b: /dev/random is a special file that serves as a random number generator, did you advice to fill his storage with junk random data?
[16:12] <fego> 20:02 < b2b> flexm: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/your_device
[16:13] <b2b> fego: ah i see, you missed the question
[16:13] <threefour> I've installed Ubuntu on an older machine and read to check for restricted drivers. All the instructions I am finding say  "System Settings->Additional Drivers" but this option is not in my system settings. Where is it?
 Does anyone know how to clean wipe a disk?
[16:13] <fego> b2b: does your command clean a hard disk ?
[16:13] <theadmin> threefour: It's an app, search for it using the Dash
[16:14] <b2b> fego: yes
[16:14] <dr_willis> random is a little overkill for most cases
[16:14] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys
[16:14] <newmoon> ciao
[16:14] <threefour> Thanks theadmin i'll try that.
[16:14] <newmoon> !list
[16:14] <fego> should it be /dev/zero
[16:14] <Wiz_KeeD> if i have two monitors connected and i wish to make a print-screen for the left monitor
[16:14] <Wiz_KeeD> only
[16:14] <dr_willis> fego: it totally erases everything on the hd.
[16:14] <fego> or /dev/null
[16:14] <Wiz_KeeD> how do i do that? because regular print-screen catches my right monitor as well
[16:14] <Wiz_KeeD> ubuntu 12.04 lts
[16:14] <dr_willis> zero would be faster
[16:15] <threefour> theadmin it is not showing in the dash.
[16:15] <b2b> dr willis: yes but not as as physically good
[16:15] <threefour> I don't understand why I can go through several websites of instructions that say "Additional Drivers" should be in "System Settings" when it is clearly not on any of my Ubuntu installs.
[16:16] <theadmin> threefour: Used to be. The app name is "jockey-gtk", you can start that from the terminal if you don't find it in the dash
[16:16] <dr_willis> threefour: 12.10 is a little different
[16:16] <Wiz_KeeD> anyone?
[16:16] <Xeek> different than 12.04 in the system settings?
[16:16] <b2b> some studies (please dont ask me for source, frankly cant remember) have shown that data overwritten simply with /dev/zero can leave magnetic residues which enable forensic recovery of original data - or something
[16:16] <Xeek> why take stuff away jeez
[16:16] <dr_willis> dash search for 'addational' may show it.
[16:17] <b2b> the recommendation back then was to use a/the random number generator
[16:17] <dr_willis> it showed it here i recall.
[16:17] <nelson777br> hello, in ubuntu 12.04 session-fallback mode (Gnome Classic WITH effects), a systray icon from my application isn't being shown. How can I show it ?
[16:18] <theadmin> nelson777br: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['all']"
[16:19] <nelson777br> theadmin: done that, didn't work
[16:19] <theadmin> hm, probably because you're using another desktop
[16:19] <nelson777br> alt-win-rightclick won't work also,
[16:19] <dr_willis> you did log out and back in?
[16:19] <nelson777br> dr_willis: restarted
[16:20] <DemeGeek> Hey, does anyone here have experience with remotely installing ubuntu on a server that is running freeNas?
[16:20] <dr_willis> nelson777br: what app is not showing?
[16:20] <DemeGeek> A long shot I know but that is what I have to work with.
[16:20] <nelson777br> theadmin: didn't understand. another desktop ? I'm in Gnome Classic
[16:20] <heaven_> just got this for my desktop http://smartlink.co.in/pDetails.aspx?PID=1&ID=6&PRODID=38 can i use it with ubuntu?? there is only support for windows
[16:20] <theadmin> nelson777br: Yes, that's not the official desktop, if you look at the command you'll see it mentions Unity
[16:20] <nelson777br> theadmin: an application I developed. works in 10.04, unity, but now in Gnome Classic mode
[16:21] <dr_willis> heaven_: boot a live cd and see if it works
[16:21] <Wiz_KeeD> help?
[16:21] <credenza> .
[16:21] <heaven_> dr_willis: i cant return it if opened
[16:21] <heaven_> :|
[16:22] <nelson777br> dr_willis: I'm testing this in a clean 12.04 instalation in a virtual machine, do you really think this live cd test is necessary ?
[16:22] <deper29> heaven_, I wouldn't chance it then
[16:22] <deper29> just purchase one that does work with windows
[16:22] <nelson777br> theadmin: yes I know, but I need it to work in both modes
[16:22] <deper29> *linux
[16:22] <dr_willis> nelson777br: that was for heaven_  ;-)
[16:22] <nelson777br> dr_willis: ah ok... sorry
[16:23] <heaven_> deper29: ok thanks
[16:23] <credenza> thanks
[16:23] <heaven_> I thought maybe there are some fancy commands for this too :P
[16:23] <dr_willis> ive raely seen a pc that wouldent work with ubuntu. ;-)  some may just need more conviencing
[16:24] <heaven_> ubuntu works on everything :D
[16:24] <dr_willis> it mainly boils down to what bugs you may encounter
[16:25] <heaven_> damn i really needed wifi today :|
[16:25] <dr_willis> those dual video optimus seem to be the big issue these days
[16:25] <deanfx> Can anyone recommend a good webvnc package?
[16:25] <dr_willis> heaven_: whats the chipset in it?
[16:26] <dr_willis> deanfx: tightvnc is popular these days
[16:26] <deper29> are there any tricks to installing ubuntu on a SSD? I see with arch they say you should do a partition alignment and osme other stuff. is that really necessary?
[16:26] <heaven_> dr_willis: the CPU??
[16:26] <dr_willis> deper29: ubuntu did that for me.
[16:27] <Baribal> Hi. Is there an easy way to set background images for terminals depending on what computer I'm logged in with in an ssh session in that tab?
[16:27] <deper29> dr_willis, oh, ubuntu takes care of it for me? So I can just boot a livecd and install?
[16:27] <dr_willis> heaven_: the wifi and video are the 2 imporntant chipsets to worry about
[16:27] <dr_willis> deper29: thats all i did at install.
[16:27] <dr_willis> deper29: then i tweaked the fstab later
[16:28] <deper29> dr_willis, okay, thanks. I'm probably going to give that a shot then since arch looks much more complex for this
[16:28] <Chotaz> I know this is very brand/model specific but can anyone help me get a Brother MFCJ415W multifunction to work in Ubuntu 12.10?
[16:29] <heaven_> dr_willis: its a micro usb adapter
[16:29] <dr_willis> sdds are smarter these days and handle more of the details you had to worry about
[16:30] <mr_david> Chotaz: did you check the Brother website? They provide Linux drivers
[16:30] <dr_willis> heaven_: thars not a  "video chipset" or "wireless chip" name... so im not sure what you mean.
[16:30] <mayhem93> hi guys...i'm running Ubuntu from a live usb, and I want to mount read/write a NTFS formatted external disk
[16:30] <Chucrute301> hi
[16:31] <Chucrute301> hi guys :D
[16:31] <mayhem93> i have fuse, ntfs-3g, i use mount -t ntfs-3g -w /dev/sdd1 /mount/path
[16:31] <deper29> mayhem93, is it a USB external disk?
[16:31] <mayhem93> and it doesn't work. i still can't write
[16:31] <mayhem93> it's a HDD
[16:31] <jrib> !ntfs | mayhem93
[16:31] <deper29> mayhem93, so it's an eSATA drive?
[16:31] <jrib> mayhem93: it's probably a permission issue
[16:31] <burtonium> where can I find grub menu.lst in ubuntu 12.04
[16:32] <dr_willis> burtonium: grub2 is different
[16:32] <mayhem93> no it's not eSATA
[16:32] <deper29> burtonium, they don't have that in grub2
[16:32] <mayhem93>  its through usb
[16:32] <dr_willis> !grub2
[16:32] <deper29> mayhem93, and it doesn't auto mount for you?
[16:32] <burtonium> ty, didn't know that
[16:33] <b2b> baribal: you can change the background _color_  of an xterm like so: [ xterm --bgcolor gold ] i dont think images are supported.
[16:33] <Chotaz> mr_david, thanks for the tip, I just dont know what I should install http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#MFC-J415W
[16:33] <heaven_> dr_willis: its a wireless micro USB adapter on which i cant find any details
[16:34] <Baribal> b2b, I could try and use aterm for that (or one of probably a few others), but I could really use help with "How do I detect what server this tab is logged in?"
[16:34] <Chucrute301> hi guys
[16:34] <Chucrute301> Why Unity is slow????????
[16:34] <heaven_> dr_willis: this is the link http://smartlink.co.in/data/products/DIGISOL/MUSTANG%20Series/downloads/DG-WN3150N%20Datasheet.pdf
[16:35] <Chucrute301> ?
[16:35] <dr_willis> i cant really read pdfs well on my phone.
[16:35] <heaven_> damn
[16:35] <Chucrute301> why unity is slow?????????
[16:35] <heaven_> but how does it work?? can i get some knowledge??
[16:35] <mayhem93> deper29 it does when i plugged it in initially... didn't want to write
[16:36] <mayhem93> destination is ready only
[16:36] <dr_willis> Chucrute301: you have used up your quota of ?  marks for the day.
[16:36] <mayhem93> it auto mounts when plugging it initially
[16:36] <b2b> Baribal: ah i see. how good are shell skills
[16:36] <mr_david> Chotaz: there are installation instructions on their site. it tells you exactly what to download and what commands to run to install
[16:36] <dr_willis> Chucrute301: check your video drivers
[16:37] <Baribal> b2b, for d in * ; do ls -R $d | wc -l ; done > sizes.txt
[16:37] <mayhem93> i hate this ntfs-3g pile of garbage... always had problems with it
[16:37] <Baribal> So, they do exist, but I'm no wizard.
[16:37] <b2b> Baribal: the information can be found in the shell environment variable SSH_CLIENT
[16:38] <b2b> so if aterm (i never used aterm, sorry) supports setting background color based on environment variable, then this might be a solution
[16:38] <heaven_> dr_willis: can i know how this compatibility works??
[16:39] <dr_willis> you could use ansi color codes in the prompts also as a way to tell them apart Baribal
[16:39] <mayhem93> if no1 can help me....i might have to format it to ext3 :/
[16:40] <mayhem93> which is not desireable for me :(
[16:40] <bobobobobobo> what is the best desktop for ubuntu: kde, gnome, XCFE
[16:40] <Baribal> dr_willis, good idea, one of these "Huh, how did this tree get into this forest?" ones. :)
[16:40] <dr_willis> heaven_: search for reviews of the thing and search fir linux compatibilty is all i can suggest
[16:40] <Chucrute301> dr wills i messenged you
[16:41] <Baribal> bobobobobobo, Depends on the user. If you ask such questions, you've just shown that only you can answer it. IMO. :)
[16:41] <dr_willis> Chucrute301: and there was no need to...
[16:41] <dr_willis> !pm
[16:41] <Wizard> ?
[16:41] <Wizard> Baribal: ?
[16:42] <bobobobobobo> why would I pick KDE over gnome?
[16:42] <deper29> bobobobobobo, because you don't like gnome
[16:42] <Baribal> Wizard, "?"? A little more context, please.
[16:42] <heaven_> dr_willis: ok thanks
[16:42] <dr_willis> b
[16:42] <heaven_> :)
[16:42] <Wizard> You hilighted me.
[16:42] <b2b> dr_willis - good one, even better than messing with env vars :)
[16:42] <Wizard> Ah, by acident, sorry, Baribal :)
[16:43] <Chotaz> mr_david, im trying to follow the websites instructions
[16:43] <Baribal> Ah, "wizard" in connection to my shell skills. :D
[16:43] <Chotaz> mr_david, but it asks me to run aa-complain which i dont have
[16:43] <dony> ciao
[16:44] <dony> !list
[16:44] <dr_willis> please no! lust
[16:44] <mayhem93> deper29, i solved it...nautilus was being a retarded kid
[16:44] <dr_willis> err list.. lol
[16:44] <deper29> mayhem93, oh?
[16:44] <deper29> what was it?
[16:44] <mayhem93> b'cuz i mounted it as root ...even though i ran nautilus as root before and tried copying it
[16:44] <dr_willis> dony: do you list every channel?
[16:44] <deper29> did you have write access in a terminal?
[16:44] <Chotaz> i guess he does
[16:44] <Chotaz> xD
[16:44] <mayhem93> it's ok now
[16:44] <mayhem93> i can write to it
[16:45] <mr_david> Chotaz: which page are you looking at? I don't see that
[16:45] <mayhem93> i tried copying it in a bash terminal and it was ok
[16:45] <dr_willis> im going to start sending ubuntu torrent files to them. ;-)
[16:45] <Chotaz> mr_david, http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/before.html pre-procedure(2)
[16:45] <heaven_> !list
[16:46] <dr_willis>  bbl
[16:46] <akshay> bell
[16:46] <mr_david> Chotaz: install apparmor-utils: /usr/sbin/aa-complain
[16:46] <akshay> sjxnks
[16:47] <mr_david> Chotaz: aptitude search aa-complain did not return any results so I ran apt-file search aa-complain and it returned the above line
[16:51] <Blacklite_> whoid _GoRDoN__
[16:51] <Blacklite_> whois _GoRDoN__
[16:52] <Blacklite_> hey guys, i haven't used ubuntu for a while (OpenSUSE) and i need to know what is going on with rhythmbox.
[16:52] <burtonium> is there a simple way for instance to install older kernel on 12.04 then one that is already shipped with it. My friend needs older kernel for some drivers to work corectly?
[16:54] <Blacklite_> burtonium: there's a somewhat easy way... your friend needs to install ubuntu 10.04 and then upgrade it to be suitable. that is my advice
[16:54] <burtonium> ok, i was thinking this way too, but had to ask if there is some another way, that i don't know about ;) thanks Blacklite_
[16:54] <Blacklite_> you're welcome
[16:55] <Chotaz> mr_david, they say I should go with the CUPS driver if it enabled for my system, is that the case for Ubuntu 12.10?
[16:56] <mr_david> Chotaz: is cupsd running on your system?
[16:57] <Chotaz> mr_david, ps ax | grep "cups"
[16:57] <mr_david> Chotaz: ps auxww | grep cupsd
[16:57] <Chotaz> seems so
[16:57] <Chotaz> ok, then cups driver it is
[16:58] <Blacklite_> where the heck are the admins??? this place is flooded
[16:58] <MonkeyDu1t> Blacklite_  you can ignore the quits and joins, depending on your client
[16:59] <Blacklite_> i'm using qwebirc
[16:59] <Chotaz> huh, they tell me to go with the cups driver then whe I get to it's instalation guide they tell me to instal the LPR driver as well --0
[16:59] <Blacklite_> on firefox
[16:59] <rocky> there no longer appears to be an option in ubuntu 12.10's gnome-terminal to deactivate "Alt-f" from calling down the menu... anyone know how to turn that off? (it interferes with common bash keystrokes)
[16:59] <mr_david> MonkeyDu1t: do you know how to ignore quits and joins in irsii?
[16:59] <MonkeyDu1t> mr_david  /ignore +joins +parts +quits +modes +nicks
[17:00] <MonkeyDu1t> mr_david  /ignore #ubuntu  +joins +parts +quits +modes +nicks
[17:00] <mr_david> MonkeyDu1t: thanks
[17:00] <Chotaz> MonkeyDu1t,  thanks that served me aswell
[17:00] <Blacklite_> switching over to empathy
[17:02] <zykotick9> !quietirssi | mr_david MonkeyDust
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> i was more elaborate! :)
[17:03] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: i agree, the modes it a good entry ;)
[17:03] <Chotaz> mr_david, http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/before.html#003 I've followed this step blindly it is not needed for my model, how can I undo it?
[17:03] <Blacklite_> what IRC Client do you recommend
[17:03] <Blacklite_> ?
[17:04] <wyclif> Blacklite: irssi ftw
[17:04] <zykotick9> Blacklite_: xchat is a popular gui client, irssi or weechat for cli.
[17:04] <Blacklite_> isn't irssi for command line?
[17:04] <wyclif> Blacklite_: yes. So?
[17:04] <Blacklite_> i want one that integrates well with unity
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> Blacklite_  yes, in combination with screen, you can logout and leuve irc running
[17:04] <deper29> Blacklite_, yeah, I use irssi on my laptop and xchat on my desktop
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> leave*
[17:05] <wyclif> Blacklite_: then it sounds like xchat is for you
[17:05] <Blacklite_> should i use Quassel?
[17:05] <kostkon> Blacklite_, install xchat along with xchat-indicator.
[17:05] <Blacklite_> xchat it is
[17:05] <kostkon> Blacklite_, xchat-indicator adds messaging menu, laucher, etc. support to xchat. Both are in USC.
[17:05] <mr_david> ubottu: got it, so much better now
[17:06] <Chotaz> How do I  undo a sym link?
[17:06] <wyclif> Blacklite_: personally, I prefer irssi + screen. Provides the most flexibility
[17:06] <SolarisBoy> Chotaz: rm -f on the symlink*
[17:06] <Blacklite_> Chotaz: Just Delete it
[17:07] <Blacklite_> how do i connect to freenode with xchat?
[17:08] <OerHeks> Blacklite_, select Freenode in the serverlist
[17:08] <Blacklite_> oh i didn't see it there
[17:08] <kostkon> Blacklite_, it should have an entry already, either for freenode or "ubuntu server" in the network list.
[17:08] <Blacklite_> *derp!
[17:08] <Blacklite_> no its alright
[17:09] <fire_> how can i download all the packages ?? so that i can use it for offline installation and browsing.
[17:13] <MonkeyDust> !offline
[17:14] <fire_> MonkeyDust: i am undertaking a project in which we are installing ubuntu in remote locations
[17:14] <fire_> where there is no internet available
[17:15] <shomon> hi, I just upgraded from 10.04 directly to the newest
[17:15] <shomon> and lost internet
[17:15] <shomon> so when I turn on the computer I have to go  sudo service network-manager start
[17:15] <fire_> to encourage computer education in rural and remote locations
[17:15] <shomon> how do I get internet on by default?
[17:15] <Blacklite_> shomon: ?
[17:15] <shomon> fire_, sounds interesting.. how does that work?
[17:15] <fire_> shomon: what's  the type of your net connection ?
[17:16] <shomon> Blacklite_, eth0... what is your question
[17:16] <fire_> shomon: how does that work ?? means ?
[17:16] <Blacklite_> that was the question
[17:16] <shomon> how do you encourage computer education in rural and remote locations?
[17:16] <Blacklite_> it should do it automatically
[17:16] <OnOfff> Hi everyone, just joined in on freenode ! Good luck to me :D
[17:16] <OnOfff> woot
[17:17] <shomon> so do you want to come here and tell it that? ;)
[17:17] <shomon> hey enjoy yourself.. Onixs
[17:17] <Blacklite_> where are you?
[17:17] <Blacklite_> maybe i can.
[17:17] <shomon> OnOfff, I mean
[17:17] <OnOfff> thx you too
[17:17] <shomon> lol, no I have to go out now ;)
[17:17] <OnOfff> so how does this work can I have this on some client?
[17:17] <shomon> but how do I automate having internet on.. or what bit of ubuntu does that?
[17:17] <Blacklite_> try rebooting, then your kernel should recognize it
[17:18] <Chotaz> mr_david, thanks!
[17:18] <shomon>  all the other times I've turned it on it didn't though
[17:18] <shomon> since I upgraded
[17:18] <Chotaz> mr_david, it works now =)
[17:18] <shomon> it's been like 2 weeks, but I'm tired of it and I have to do it for each user
[17:19] <Blacklite_> screw this crap!!!! I'm Using Konversation!!
[17:20] <fire_> any one who can guide me ?
[17:20] <wyclif> Blacklite_: just use irssi dude
[17:20] <Blacklite_> good idea
[17:20] <nwillems> ~/quit
[17:23] <Blacklite_> dammit
[17:23] <Blacklite_> i want to connect to here
[17:24] <Blacklite_> i want to connect to this channel on freenode with irssi
[17:24] <wyclif> Blacklite_ /connect freenode.net
[17:24] <wyclif> Blacklite_: /join #ubuntu
[17:25] <Blacklite_> 2:24 -!- Irssi: Looking up freenode.net 12:24 -!- Irssi: Connecting to freenode.net [5.9.244.117] port 6667 12:24 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server freenode.net port 6667 [Connection            refused]2:24 -!- Irssi: Looking up freenode.net 12:24 -!- Irssi: Connecting to freenode.net [5.9.244.117] port 6667 12:24 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server freenode.net port 6667 [Connection            refused]
[17:25] <Blacklite_> thats the readout
[17:25] <deper29> if I purchase a solid state, is there a way to move my existing ubuntu install to the other drive without doing a re-install?
[17:25] <wyclif> Blacklite_: oops, I meant /connect irc.freenode.net
[17:26] <wyclif> Blacklite_: then /join #ubuntu
[17:26] <gandhijee_> is there a flag or something to pass to debuild to make it only build for certain archs?
[17:28] <CrusaderAD> Hello everyone, I'm having a serious problem with an Acer Aspire S7. I installed a fresh copy of Ubuntu on a Acer Aspire S7 Ultrabook and deleted everything else. The machine is using UEFI but is capable of using Legacy BIOS too. Now when I boot it says "No bootable device found". The install went fine no errors. Any ideas as to why it won't boot up?
[17:29] <mr_david> Chotaz: awesome, glad to hear it
[17:31] <deper29> CrusaderAD, I think you need to boot your livecd again and run boot repair
[17:31] <fire_> CrusaderAD: just try building up grub  using a live cd
[17:32] <CrusaderAD> how do I do that? from the terminal once I'm in the live cd?
[17:33] <ton1c> update-grub in terminal, I think
[17:34] <deper29> CrusaderAD, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[17:35] <SolarisBoy> .
[17:36] <deper29> ton1c, update-grub only updates config files
[17:41] <CrusaderAD> thanks deper29 that link has some good info in it, I'll give it a shot
[18:00] <TPB_is_my_librar> hi how can i configure baobab to use pcmanfm as file browser?
[18:02] <Xix19> can I tunnel SSH through SSH?
[18:03] <olauret974> hello, can someone help me with an upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 which was successful but it fails to starts now
[18:03] <Xix19> I have a putty ssh connection to a server which is good and stable, and a FileZilla SSH connection to the same server that keeps dropping after 10 seconds of inactivity
[18:04] <olauret974> When starting using recovery mode I get a : timeout: killing '/sbin/modprobe/
[18:04] <olauret974> and it just hangs
[18:05] <Xix19> filezilla doesn't send Keep Alive commands and so the connection dies. how can I set the timeout to be higher ?
[18:05] <jrib> TPB_is_my_librar: it just uses your default application for directories afaict
[18:06] <TPB_is_my_librar> jrib: i've just installed pcmanfm and it doesnt work, do i have to restart X ?
[18:07] <TPB_is_my_librar> jrib: "There is no installed viewer capable of displaying the folder."
[18:07] <jrib> TPB_is_my_librar: right click on a directory and set the default app for it (maybe; I haven't actually ever tried this).  All I know is that baobab calls "g_app_info_get_default_for_type" to open a folder
[18:08] <TPB_is_my_librar> jrib: the right-click thing isnt possible. How can i set the right g_app_info_get_default_for_type var ? is there a config file to do that ?
[18:10] <dmallery> can't mount any jump drive on new 12-10... "adding read ACL...
[18:11] <TPB_is_my_librar> jrib: i've tried right click on a dir on pcmanfm but there's nothing that let me associate it to a program (pcmanfm),  then i 've tried right click on the directory on baobab but the only thing i have is "Open Folder"
[18:13] <panzon> hi, I was upgrading my ubuntu, and  it didn't finished well
[18:13] <panzon> now when I try to reboot
[18:13] <jrib> TPB_is_my_librar: there is a file you can modify, but I forget it's location.  It's probably ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list or the other .list file that I don't have on this computer and can't remember the name of
[18:13] <panzon> the graphic interface doesn't work really well
[18:13] <panzon> I can not see anything
[18:14] <panzon> I already tried to login in other terminat using ctrl + alt + F1
[18:15] <panzon> but it has some problems, I have not internet... also if I'm using the cable
[18:15] <TPB_is_my_librar> jrib: i've found it
[18:15] <panzon> do you know how can I do to update the system or revert to the previous one?
[18:16] <TPB_is_my_librar> jrib: it contains only: [Default Applications]\nx-scheme-handler/magnet=userapp-transmission-gtk-2ZN4LW.desktop\n\n
[18:16] <TPB_is_my_librar> [Added Associations]\nx-scheme-handler/magnet=userapp-transmission-gtk-2ZN4LW.desktop;
[18:16] <dmallery> panzon: there are some graphic cards like 550 that don't work.
[18:17] <panzon> dmarllery: do you know what can I do?
[18:17] <jrib> TPB_is_my_librar: you would need to add one :)
[18:17] <panzon> I would like to revert or do something in order to letme connect to internet and search some other solutions
[18:18] <jrib> TPB_is_my_librar: here's a line I have: inode/directory=file-roller.desktop;nautilus-folder-handler.desktop;userapp-feh-CNPJDU.desktop;
[18:18] <TPB_is_my_librar> jrib: ok, i reinstalled pcmanfm and i noticed "open with" and used it to set the default file manager (pcmanfm) . it works . thanks
[18:19] <jrib> TPB_is_my_librar: ok :)
[18:19] <dmallery> panzon: it's in the release notes.. no work-around yet.
[18:21] <smooth-texan> Hello all. I'm having some issues with suspend.  After suspend doesn't work apport gives me some info, but I'm not sure where to take it from there...
[18:23] <UICTamale> sorry to be one of what I assume to be many people posting the same thing, but I just upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and I have two major problems.. first of all, the install broke my existing grub boot loader completely.   I can't seem to boot directly from bios regardless of which drive I set as top priority.. but luckily, I get a working grub menu if I manually choose my secondary hard drive with the 'pop up one time' boot 
[18:23] <UICTamale> The second major problem is that once I finally boot into ubuntu, it's excruciatingly slow to do anything with the UI
[18:24] <UICTamale> Dragging a window across the screen takes several seconds..
[18:27] <kriskrop3> UICTamale: I'm not sure about the boot problem. For the lag, can you open a process monitor and see what is makign everything slow?
[18:28] <kriskrop3> UICTamale: you can open a terminal and run top or htop for example, or a graphical one if you know you have one
[18:28] <UICTamale> sure
[18:28] <UICTamale> lightdm, X, and compiz are near the very top
[18:29] <UICTamale> I have an AMD firepro M8900 if that's any help
[18:29] <kriskrop3> does it say cpu percentage? I doubt your gpu is lagging, but I'm betting your missing a driver or something that didn't rollover with your upgrade
[18:29] <UICTamale> I must say though, I had exceptional performance from the open-source ATI drivers in 12.04
[18:34] <kriskrop3> UICTamale: I found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/204027/overheating-laptop-even-on-low-cpu-usage which may offer support with instlaling the fglrx drivers for amd
[18:34] <UICTamale> thank you
[18:34] <UICTamale> Any idea on the grub issue? Should I just try boot repair?
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> Is there some way to know for sure whether or not my hardware speakers on my laptop are dying, and some new change in Ubuntu hasn't just fucked up pulse, or whatever?
[18:35] <kriskrop3> UICTamale: I'm not sure. You could try reinstlaling grub or something. It sounds like the MBR might be damaged somehow.
[18:36] <UICTamale> I'm always curious why this happens on upgrades
[18:37] <UICTamale> I don't understand why an upgrade has to change grub install settings
[18:37] <kriskrop3> UICTamale: luck of the draw, I suppose. Some people just get really lucky with linux, others the complete opposite or in-between :/
[18:38] <kriskrop3> UICTamale: I'm not sure if you can do this with the root partition mounted, but this page explains how to reinstall grub 2 with your live cd http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repairrestorereinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd/
[18:38] <gits1225> I am in my own home folder, editing my own text file and for that I need super user privileges? Where is the justice?
[18:39] <GabrialDestruir> It's the idea that when you're upgrading, you'll want to upgrade the settings too, that way you know that your config is valid for the update version of grub I'd suppose.
[18:39] <kriskrop3> gits1225: your home directory could have had its permissions changed
[18:39] <UICTamale> kriskrop3: I thought I might end up having to do that.. I'm downloading a live image now.  The ironic thing is I didn't download the 12.10 image initially because I wanted to do the 'live upgrade' :)
[18:39] <gits1225> kriskrop3: But that doesn't change the fact that the defaults are retarded
[18:40] <_max> hello
[18:40] <loveguru> Hi
[18:41] <kriskrop3> UICTamale: well, thats why i said im not sure if you can do that with root partition mounted. You MIGHT (strongly emphasized) be able to just do it from a terminal within your Ubuntu install...
[18:41] <gits1225> net split?
[18:41] <Quasic> more like flood bots
[18:42] <kriskrop3> gits1225: it should not be set like that by default, i have read,write and execute permissions on my home dir for my user (ls -al /home)
[18:42] <kriskrop3> gits1225: and that should be default
[18:42] <gits1225> well not here
[18:43] <GabrialDestruir> Something may have changed the permissions, or he may have accidentally changed it himself.
[18:44] <kriskrop3> gits1225: well its not hard to fix it, just do 'sudo chmod u+rwx /home/username'
[18:44] <kriskrop3> thatll give you back your rights to your home dir
[18:44] <gits1225> I'll have to wait for my sysadmin to come back
[18:44] <gits1225> and hence the reason I am jollying on irc
[18:45] <kriskrop3> gits1225: ah... you might also want to ask him why he did it in the first place then :3
[18:45] <gits1225> nah, I asked him the last time when the exact same thing happened
[18:45] <gits1225> He said, he didn't touch any file persmissions
[18:45] <GabrialDestruir> Shouldn't he be able to see how it did? Logs and such?
[18:46]  * gits1225 In the mean time, grokking my head around tabs and spaces on emacs
[18:46] <GabrialDestruir> did get changed*
[18:46] <wyclif> back
[18:48] <kriskrop3> gits1225: well, someone with a mind and soul is likely liable for changing home dir permissions. Tell him to check 'cat /var/log/messages | grep COMMAND=/bin/chmod '
[18:48] <gits1225> will do
[18:49] <kriskrop3> gits1225: I'm sorry, not /var/log/message, try /var/log/auth.log
[18:49] <snoozie> hello community
[18:49] <snoozie> im attempting to install proprietary graphic drivers
[18:49] <snoozie> on the hp website i have 2 options when asked to select my model
[18:50] <snoozie> hp compaq nw8440 base model mobile workstaion and hp compaq nw8440 mobile workstaion
[18:51] <snoozie> i cant figure out which one to choose
[18:51] <n1ntu> whats the command in terminal to install a package already placed in a directory?
[18:51] <snoozie> dpkg -i
[18:51] <snoozie> i think
[18:51] <hhhzzzarn> !dpkg | n1ntu
[18:52] <kriskrop3> n1ntu: snoozie is right, if it's a .deb package
[18:52] <jilebedev> Hi hi - anyone willing to recommend a tool to grab a movie file's metadata in terminal? Things like duration and frame size?
[18:53] <GabrialDestruir> I guess it's time to wipe to windows and see if my sound issues persist -sighs-
[18:53] <snoozie> well it doesnt matter which model i choose, hp does not have proprietary drivers for linux
[18:53] <kriskrop3> jilebedev: avconv? not too knowledgable on this subject
[18:53] <snoozie> what do i do now?
[18:53] <n1ntu> actually is the "zipped" one (gz), and unpacked it, so there's the folder containing subfolders, so don't know whitch to use. is not .deb. should i rather unpack it and install via termianl?
[18:54] <n1ntu> ...which
[18:54] <snoozie> ati has a linux installer but my graphics chipset has been modified by hp
[18:55] <snoozie> nintu, does it have files named MAKE or INSTALL?
[18:56] <kriskrop3> jilebedev: with ffmpeg or avconv you could run 'avconv -i filename' and it would give you codec info
[18:56] <sillyme> is there anyway at all to move the toolbar from the left hand side
[18:57] <n1ntu> is an older version of one program, so there's none in software centre
[18:58] <snoozie> sillyme, are you talking about the unity launcher? if so, i suggest installing MyUnity, it has lots of options for configuring the launcher
[18:58] <kriskrop3> n1ntu: Is it an archived file with the source code, maybe? where did you get the package? is it online so we can look at it?
[18:58] <Gangnam_sty1e> darmok and jalad at tanagra
[18:58] <sillyme> gotchan
[19:00] <n1ntu> kriskrop3 ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/2.0.0.0/linux-i686/en-US/
[19:00] <sillyme> where can i get myunuty
[19:00] <snoozie> Software Center
[19:01] <purvesh> can some one help me out installing ubuntu 12.10 with 2nd hard disk, should i turn off UEFI or not
[19:01] <snoozie> sillyme, its the shopping bag icon
[19:01] <trism> sillyme: for 12.10 you can't, it wasn't ported to gsettings
[19:02] <sillyme> i checked there and all i saw were stuff with other languages, kind of looks like mags
[19:02] <snoozie> sillyme, did you type myunity into the search field? while being on the main page?
[19:03] <riqdiiz> hi know where i can get are there updates for hitman2
[19:03] <savio> i had setup encrypted private directory but i was not able to copy anything to ~/Private folder because of permission is set to readonly
[19:04] <savio> but that's not case when i setep encrypted private directory some time ago
[19:04] <snoozie> sillyme, you can also open the dash, top icon on the launcher or press super key, and type myunity there
[19:04] <savio> is this normal
[19:04] <trism> snoozie: myunity is not in 12.10 and wouldn't be able to move the launcher anyway
[19:04] <snoozie> trism, ah i c, i havent tried 12.10.
[19:05] <snoozie> sillyme, sorry to hve misled you
[19:05] <kriskrop3> n1ntu: i've got class in a few minutes, but that looks like the source code for thunderbird 2.0. Untar the archive and there should be a README with instructions inside for compiling it.
[19:05] <n1ntu> thx kriskrop3
[19:06] <sillyme> i tried both and it just shows stuf that looks like magazines and most want you to pay for them
[19:06] <sillyme> sorry im so dumb
[19:09] <snoozie> sillyme, sorry i dont think its possible to move the launcher
[19:09] <snoozie> sillyme, the app i told you about is not available in 12.10
[19:11] <n1ntu> if i have the installation files in one folder, is there some gui to install it, or what's the command in terminal (there's txt file inside)
[19:11] <n1ntu> ?
[19:15] <snoozie> n1ntu, there is definately not a gui for that, im not experienced with installing source packages, sorry
[19:15] <martial> xdcc send #93 370x [260M] [OJS] 571 HQ.mp4
[19:17] <savio> if ~/Private directory is created with permission 500 then how can i write into that the wiki page is wrong https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Setup_Your_Encrypted_Private_Directory
[19:17] <riqdiiz> does Ubuntu 12 have phone firmware flashing utility?
[19:17] <smooth-texan> n1ntu: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[19:18] <manolos> Hi
[19:18] <Guest50359> hi
[19:18] <manolos> i got a problem with slim
[19:18] <manolos> on fresh install ubuntu minimal
[19:18] <tommy484> hello, i've installed windows after ubuntu, and instead of having a boot OS selection, my computer automatically logs into windows, how can i make the grub screen show up?
[19:18] <xangua> !grub2 | tommy484
[19:18] <smooth-texan> n1ntu: it it's the source you're talking about
[19:18] <smooth-texan> if*
[19:19] <manolos> it doesnt start after install and nothing with dpkg-reconfigure slim
[19:19] <rexwin_> hi all
[19:19] <SpaceAviator> I was hoping someone can provide some insight. I installed the fglrx drivers from software sources after installing ubuntu. After the reboot, lightdm shows up but unity doesn't load! However xubuntu works great after installing fglrx. I am assuming this a unity problem and not a driver + xorg version conflict?
[19:19] <LarsN> is there an Ubuntu on Nexus7 specific room?
[19:19] <n1ntu> snoozie and smooth-texan thx
[19:20] <DJones> !nexus | LarsN
[19:20] <LarsN> I retract that question:)  #ubuntu-nexus7
[19:20] <DJones> Wrong factoid anyway
[19:20] <DJones> !nexus7 | LarsN Have you looked at this as well?
[19:21] <LarsN> DJones: yeah, it's installed and running already.  just thought it might be nice to stay on top of how others are using it :)
[19:21] <dr_willis> too bad i got a toshiba thrive and not a nexus. :O
[19:21] <DJones> LarsN: I think somebody has also mentioned #ubuntu-arm as possible channel
[19:21] <savio> if ~/Private directory is created with permission 500 then how can i write into that the wiki page is wrong https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Setup_Your_Encrypted_Private_Directory
[19:22] <LarsN> DJones: yeah, the Ubuntu-Nexus7 is a symlink it appears.
[19:22] <LarsN> to #ubuntu-arm
[19:23] <LarsN> dr_willis: The Nexus isn't so expensive as to be completely wasteful to have two tablets :)
[19:23] <manolos> ubuntu minimal: slim doesnt start after install (on next boot) and with dpkg-reconfigure slim i got nothing.. anything i can do?
[19:23] <snoozie> could someone help me get graphic drivers for hp compaq nw8440 mobile workstation
[19:23] <dr_willis> LarsN: but i have like 4 allready. ;-)
[19:23] <LarsN> dr_willis: heh.
[19:23] <savio> if ~/Private directory is created with permission 500 then how can i write into that the wiki page is wrong https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Setup_Your_Encrypted_Private_Directory
[19:24] <DSrv> I'm hitting trouble installing Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS x86_64 on a machine.  It was previously installed, but the hard drive had to be replaced as it was failing.  I run through the installer, it copies files, but doesn't seem to let me progress past the "Where are you?" timezone screen.  Any ideas?
[19:24] <inTheRain> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an asus zenbook ux31a using wubi, but the boot fails. Apparently the mbr is mucked up
[19:24] <inTheRain> known issue?
[19:24] <VlanX> i'm having a bug with firefox 16.0.2 on ubuntu; expecially with some youtube videos. The screen will stay black w/o any loading animation
[19:24] <LarsN> dr_willis: I think I'll be buying the nexus 4 when it comes out (a week after my birthday) to replace my Mytouch 4g.  I gave my daughter my HP Touchpad running CM9
[19:24] <LarsN> would love to see Ubuntu on that.
[19:24] <DSrv> VlanX : Are you running flashblock or noscript?
[19:25] <VlanX> DSrv: are these plugins? i don't think i'm running anything
[19:25] <VlanX> just fresh install
[19:25] <savio> if ~/Private directory is created with permission 500 then how can i write into that the wiki page is wrong https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Setup_Your_Encrypted_Private_Directory
[19:26] <dr_willis> just some youtube videos have issues?
[19:26] <jpds> !repeat | savio
[19:26] <dr_willis> was that a question?
[19:27] <[4-tea-2]> Hi. Since upgrading to 12.10, a couple of weeks ago, I get spurious "keyrelease events" for modifiers, ie. my shift and ctrl keys don't work reliably if I keep holding them. For the longest time, I thought it was a hardware problem, but it happens with a couple of keyboards, including a Model M. Anyone got an idea what could be happening?
[19:27] <[snake]> does anyone know gtk+ C here?
[19:27] <Dragnadh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGIsj46BnQU
[19:27] <DSrv> Vlanx : Do you have flash installed?
[19:28] <manolos> hi can someone help me with slim login manager?
[19:29] <[snake]> the topic for #gtk is "Im so [censored] rich ill go buy a new sailboat. Ill be back later some day. lovely." and there's like two people in there
[19:29] <Pici> [snake]: have you tried ##c ?
[19:29] <[snake]> Pici, I'm pretty sure they hate me there :P but I'll try.
[19:29] <mib_mib> hi guys, is the tmp directory in ram by default?
[19:29] <[snake]> yup im banned from ##c Pici
[19:30] <Pici> [snake]: Then maybe #freenode can suggest a better channel,  its not really related to #ubuntu.
[19:30] <jrib> [snake]: you should go to #gtk on GIMPnet
[19:31] <[snake]> jrib, I'm to lazy to switch servers.
[19:31] <jrib> [snake]: that's fine.  Either way, this isn't the right channel
[19:31] <snoozie> im googling my problem at ubuntuforums.org, wondering if i can add multiple sites to site:
[19:33] <qmanjr5> Can I create a live DVD with Brasero? If so, how?
[19:33] <manolos> Hi all. Can some tell me if i can configure my slim login manager to start after boot. Cause it doesnt start by default.. Ubuntu minimal without other login manager
[19:33] <DSrv> Vlanx : You need at least one of these two packages installed ubuntu-restricted-extras or flashplugin-installer
[19:33] <savio> if ~/Private directory is created with permission 500 then how can i write into that the wiki page is wrong https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Setup_Your_Encrypted_Private_Directory
[19:34] <DSrv> Vlanx : The easy way is to open a terminal and run this: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras flashplugin-installer
[19:35] <jrib> manolos: well the package include a /etc/init.d/slim package so I imagine so and I'd be surprised if it doesn't act that way by default.  Are you sure it's not some setting you have?
[19:35] <DSrv> Vlanx : restart your browser after it finishes & it should work.
[19:35] <inTheRain> how big must my usb stick be to make a live usb of 12.10? 2GB didn't seem to be enough; unetbootin claimed it ran out of space
[19:35] <jrib> manolos: pastebin /etc/init.d/slim perhaps.  Also, what's in your /etc/X11/default-display-manager?  And do you boot with the "text" option?
[19:36] <manolos> no other setting. just fresh install and slim
[19:36] <DSrv> inTheRain : If you're using the DVD image, at least 4GB.
[19:36] <inTheRain> DSrv: is there another image I can use+
[19:36] <inTheRain> ?
[19:37] <manolos> when it boots i got only terminal and non graphical login. i have fluxbox installed
[19:37] <ms_choudhary_200> I have ubuntu 12.04 lts installed on my sony vaio vpceh25 on a dual boot with windows 7. Sometimes it gets stuck at the loading screen(one which is before login screen). I cannot do anything but restart. After, restart it boots successfully in basic graphics. Could this be a graphics card problem?
[19:38] <DSrv> inTheRain: absolutely! What architecture, and are you shooting for server or desktop?
[19:38] <inTheRain> DSrv: 64 bit, desktop :)
[19:40] <ms_choudhary_200> Is this a bug in ubuntu?
[19:41] <Silver26> when i try and run sudo apt-get update, it gets to reading package lists and then seems to crash with error E: Read error - read (5: Input/output error). ubuntu server 12.04
[19:43] <mr_david> Silver26: your hd might be taking a crap. Is it mounted RO?
[19:44] <Silver26> I dont think so no.
[19:44] <mr_david> can you write to /var?
[19:44] <Silver26> System seems solid otherwise.
[19:44] <TrentonAdams> I'm trying to get a luks home to mount on boot, but it doesn't work properly.  It says it's waiting for file systems to mount with the S and M options.  I press M, and only then does it prompt me for a luks password.
[19:45] <Silver26> mr_david ya it appears i can
[19:45] <qmanjr5> Can I create a live DVD with Brasero? If so, how?
[19:46] <mr_david> Silver26: not sure then. you can try stracing the apt-get process for clues
[19:46] <DSrv> inTheRain: 12.04 or 12.10?
[19:46] <Silver26> could it be a source list issue? It seems to get thru the list just when its reading it craps out at the end of an update
[19:47] <htrejhh> hi, i search an easy way to sync two folders (for backup) from windows to linux, without needing a server, can someone suggest me an app?
[19:47] <manolos> hi. im back. well i saw logs and it says that cannot start x server. is it driver isue? i have nvidia
[19:47] <inTheRain> DSrv: 12.10, preferably
[19:48] <DJones> htrejhh: A simple way would be to use a dropbox folder
[19:49] <DSrv> inTheRain: I only see one on the website. Did you check your hash after downloading?
[19:49] <mr_david> Silver26: do you get the error when using aptitude instead of apt-get?
[19:49] <htrejhh> DJones: yes true, but both pc's are on the same network and it's 300GB
[19:49] <htrejhh> DJones: in fact i want to backup from windows to linux over network, without having to setup a server
[19:50] <DJones> htrejhh: dropbox isn't really practical then
[19:50] <inTheRain> DSrv: no, sadly not in the habit of doing that :P would the network installer option take up less space?
[19:50] <[4-tea-2]> I would much appreciate it if someone with 64bit 12.10 would try to reproduce this: start "xev" from a shell, press a modifier key (e.g. Ctrl) and keep it pressed for ~20-30secs. Do you get a "KeyRelease event" matching the number shown in the "KeyPress event" you got when pressing the key? Do you get it when you release the key – or at some point *before* you release it?
[19:50] <snoozie> im googling my problem at ubuntuforums.org, wondering if i can add multiple sites to site:
[19:50] <snoozie> could someone help me get graphic drivers for hp compaq nw8440 mobile workstation
[19:51] <JimmyJohnny> I am trying to download software for linux and it offers the .exe for Windows but only source code for linux, what is that all about? I have no idea about how to compile software on linux.
[19:51] <snoozie> ive downloaded the ati installer, but have not used it yet as i doubt it will work, it didnt in windows because i have a version thats been modified by hp
[19:51] <SoulShadow> oh god my head hurts after those two posts.
[19:52] <JimmyJohnny> are you a Windows 8 user? LOL
[19:52] <JimmyJohnny> It would be nice to use an os where you don't have to think too much
[19:53] <snoozie> JimmyJohnny, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[19:53] <DSrv> inTheRain: did you erase/format the USB stick first?
[19:53] <SoulShadow> i am indeed a windows 8 user
[19:53] <JimmyJohnny> i thought so, the comment gave it away. :)
[19:53] <SoulShadow> i like it better than 7
[19:53] <JimmyJohnny> less thinking right?
[19:53] <SoulShadow> JimmyJohnny: except that my head hurt because of the stupid
[19:53] <SoulShadow> #justsayin
[19:54] <JimmyJohnny> windows 8 is a good fit for people who don't like to think too much. easy on the brain
[19:54] <SoulShadow> you have no idea how to compile software on linux and are trying to downtalk a windows user!
[19:54] <SoulShadow> and claiming they're stupid
[19:54] <SoulShadow> wow
[19:54] <SoulShadow> i have no words to describe the idiocy of that
[19:54] <JimmyJohnny> well try, am i supposed to be a linux genius after first live boot?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> htrejhh,  are you on the target linux pc ?
[19:54] <htrejhh> BluesKaj: yes
[19:54] <SoulShadow> well, it requires more thinking
[19:55] <SoulShadow> you should be able to handle it.
[19:55] <SoulShadow> since it's oh so hard for me
[19:55] <inTheRain> DSrv: no, not this time. I seem to have ruined all the usb sticks I've reformatted. It's FAT32 and was empty, though
[19:55] <DSrv> inTheRain: But yes, it should be much smaller. I've never tried network installations so I can't be of much help with it.
[19:55] <JimmyJohnny> i know, thats why i got it, versus windows 8, not even installing that on my computer. if i wanted to snap and swipe all day I would just buy an ipad
[19:55] <SoulShadow> except i use it with a mouse and keyboard ;)
[19:55] <JimmyJohnny> linux definitely makes you think, probably more so than windows 7
[19:55] <burtonium> what a debate? So better OS is the one, where you have to think more? What a stupid theory :D
[19:56] <SoulShadow> and um
[19:56] <SoulShadow> gnome has snapping
[19:56] <SoulShadow> and has for a while
[19:56] <SoulShadow> aero snap is probably the most wonderful feature ever invented
[19:56] <JimmyJohnny> burtonium, i never said windows 7 or windows 8 was "better", i said windows 8 is for people who don't like to think too much
[19:56]  * dr_willis goes back to cp/m
[19:56] <SoulShadow> or you know
[19:56] <SoulShadow> they use real programs
[19:56] <SoulShadow> for...real work
[19:56] <SoulShadow> but, i digress
[19:57] <burtonium> Jimmy: not really, it's the system where you have to think much more actually, if you want to keep it safe ;)
[19:57] <JimmyJohnny> geez,  i love how everybody re-interprets what I actually say. :)
[19:57] <SoulShadow> then maybe it's how you say it?
[19:57] <julian__> hi. can i make synaptic automatically "completely remove" all packages? when dependencies are automatically removed, i don't want to keep their config stuff.
[19:57] <JimmyJohnny> burtonium yeah, ummm okay. :)
[19:57] <burtonium> jimmy: uhmm, oh, you sound like biggest noob here ;)
[19:58] <NotreDev> i'm trying to resize sda1 using gparted, but it's after my sd2 (extended) and sda5 (swap). how should i do this? http://i.imgur.com/1a1Wq.png
[19:58] <BluesKaj> htrejhh, then set up the folder in windows to share and you should be able to use the networking with ssh (sftp) in nautilus to access the windows folder and place in places in nautilus..not sure about rsync with windows
[19:58] <JimmyJohnny> burtonium i am, you are quick, i wont try to fool you again. :) first day I installed KUbuntu, couldnt get that past you huh?
[19:58] <dr_willis> NotreDev:  so your partitions are 'out of order' ?
[19:58] <SoulShadow> linux noob moonlighting as a linux snob
[19:58] <SoulShadow> rather amusing
[19:58] <NotreDev> dr_willis: yep. i'm using the livedcd
[19:59] <NotreDev> s/livedcd/livecd/
[19:59] <htrejhh> BluesKaj: yes, it's already a share, but i want something i would run once in a while to sync the new files to my backup
[19:59] <purvesh> can some one help me out installing ubuntu 12.10 with 2nd hard disk on my Ultrabook, should i turn off UEFI or not?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> htrejhh, maybe rsync will work
[19:59] <NotreDev> all the online articles assume i have competency using gparted; that i don't have :(
[19:59] <JimmyJohnny> SoulShadow a linux snob...does anybody else follow this guys logic? i just stated to everyone I just installed it today...how am I pretending be a linux snob?
[19:59] <burtonium> Jimmy: you are using kubuntu one day and you already say to other people, that win 8 is for those, who are not willing to think ;) geez
[19:59] <htrejhh> BluesKaj: ok thanks, i'll have a look
[20:00] <SoulShadow> burtonium: he sounds like a fake linux snob, no?
[20:00] <dr_willis> NotreDev:  you will have to shrink the extended, to get the free space out of it into 'unalocated' space, then perhaps move it to get the unlalocated space next to sda1, then expand sda1
[20:00] <burtonium> I don't really care if he is snob or not, I am just saying that his statment is stupid, that's all. I am not even saying he is stupid ;) just his statement ;)
[20:00] <JimmyJohnny> burtonium windows 8 is moms and pops, teenage girls who wants to browse facebook, and youtube addicts basically. sorry you got so offended at my opinion. you wanna eat my heart for lunch. geez. :)
[20:00] <DSrv> inTheRain: If you're running Ubuntu of some form on another machine, try running the Disk Utility, palimpsest is the command name.  See if there's other partitions on it. If so, create a new MSDOS partition.  If you're on Windows, run 'diskmgr.msc' and see if there's multiple partitions on it (for example, S3's iso9960 [CDFS] partition).
[20:01] <ubuntu> sciema
[20:01] <SoulShadow> JimmyJohnny: and gamers, and people who use adobe products or work in the graphic design industry
[20:01] <SoulShadow> or make real money.
[20:01] <SoulShadow> but, yeah.
[20:01] <JimmyJohnny> you would think I stumbled into a windows 8 channel, day-um
[20:01] <Guest67326> siema
[20:01] <SoulShadow> btw, flash works in linux just fine
[20:01] <burtonium> jimmy: you are totally wrong. Ubuntu is for moms and dads and girls :) My GF is using it, simply because she used to pick up to many malware or viruses on win7 ;) Simple as that. Now she have no problems surfing the internet ;)
[20:02] <SoulShadow> how the hell do you get malware on windows
[20:02] <Pici> !offtopic
[20:02] <SoulShadow> you have to really try
[20:02] <DSrv> NotreDev: You have to first move sda2 over to make room.
[20:02] <Pici> Can we please get back to Ubuntu support?
[20:02] <JimmyJohnny> burtonium you seriously want to convince everybody here that linux is easier to use than Windows 8. thats hilarious. LOL.
[20:02] <mN-> is there a RtlSetProcessIsCritical equilevant to linux/ubuntu ?*
[20:02] <cuddylier> What is this process? What is vi? http://puu.sh/1mOsO
[20:03] <burtonium> jimmy: I don't want to convince anyone anything. It is easier for everyday use, yes.
[20:03] <NotreDev> DSrv: i understand i need the logical blocks to precede/follow to resize, but i'm not sure how to "move" sda5 over
[20:03] <burtonium> jimmy: but it depends what you use your computer for?
[20:03] <Pici> cuddylier: vi/vim is a command line text editor.
[20:03] <JimmyJohnny> burtonium right, my point exactly, for everyday users, glad you finally understand me now
[20:03] <cuddylier> Pici How is it using 1 core?
[20:03] <cuddylier> Pici Is it safe to kill it?
[20:04] <Pici> burtonium, JimmyJohnny: can we please get back to Ubuntu support?  Feel free to continue your discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:04] <Pici> cuddylier: If you don't know why root has a vi session open, I'd say it is safe to kill it.
[20:04] <cuddylier> I was using vi earlier but not now, k
[20:04] <burtonium> I use linuxes only for servers, don't even want to try desktop, because …. I just dont :D
[20:04] <burtonium> but after I installed ubuntu to my gf's laptop
[20:04] <burtonium> she don't want to use windows anymore
[20:05] <NotreDev> got it! (i think)
[20:05] <JimmyJohnny> burtonium probably more having to do with resistance to change than being easier than windows 8, has she tried windows 8, it was built for teenage girls to browse facebook
[20:06] <Pici> JimmyJohnny, burtonium: Can we please move this discussion out of #ubuntu?
[20:06] <burtonium> ofc
[20:06] <NotreDev> but sda2 now has 482mb and sda5 has 481. why the wasted MB?
[20:06] <Pici> #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to continue.
[20:06] <JimmyJohnny> ok thanks
[20:07] <purvesh> can some one help me out installing ubuntu 12.10 with 2nd hard disk on my Ultrabook, should i turn off UEFI or not?
[20:09] <NotreDev> this is where i'm now sitting… 1 wasted MB remaining "unallocated", 1 extra mb on sda2 not used on sda5… why is this happening?
[20:09] <snoozie> purvesh, after googling i find that to be a personal preference option
[20:09] <NotreDev> this is where i'm now sitting… 1 wasted MB remaining "unallocated", 1 extra mb on sda2 not used on sda5… why is this happening?
[20:09] <NotreDev> oops
[20:09] <NotreDev> http://i.imgur.com/2fH7F.png
[20:10] <JimmyJohnny> snoozie thanks for the compile link, just don't understand why they want us to compile versus downloading the .exe
[20:10] <purvesh> snoozie, so i could install with bios mod even ?
[20:10] <DSrv> NotreDev: Right-click on sda2 and select Resize/Move. Simply drag the visual representation of sda2 to the right.  After that, you can issue a resize/move to sda1 and grab the right edge of it & make it as big as you like.  Since sda5 is inside sda2 it will take a long time.  If you have the RAM, open a terminal and run 'sudo swapoff' then delete sda5 & sda2, resize sda1 as desired & create a new sda2 by clicking Partition ==> New in the menu. Make it a Primary 
[20:11] <snoozie> JimmyJohnny, the exe would be for windows or wine right?
[20:11] <purvesh> sonnyjz, If i have 8gb ram then i have to set swap minimum 8gb right ?
[20:12] <NotreDev> DSrv: i think i've gotten that taken care of now - if you look at the new screenshot i inserted (http://i.imgur.com/2fH7F.png) i'm now baffled by wasted space having done this (but not applying changes)
[20:13] <snoozie> purvesh, that is generally recommended, but then some people choose not to use a swap when they have that much ram
[20:13] <purvesh> sonnzie, If i have 8gb ram then i have to set swap minimum 8gb right ?
[20:13] <NotreDev> perhaps this has to do with "block sizes"?
[20:13] <JimmyJohnny> snoozie, no, I am running KUBuntu so I need to download the .exe for linux but it only offers source, I don't understand the reason for that
[20:13] <purvesh> snoozie, ohk...
[20:13] <DSrv> NotreDev: That can happen due to disk geometry mismatches. If you're that desperate for the extra 1MB, you might want to go get a bigger drive instead.
[20:13] <NotreDev> DSrv: more worried about doing something wrong, not a wasted MB ;)
[20:14] <snoozie> NotreDev, the 1MB is perfectly safe
[20:14] <NotreDev> i applied the changes (relatively quick b/c i'm on livecd)
[20:14] <mN-> JimmyJohnny: how do you plan to instal .exe on kubuntu?
[20:14] <purvesh> snoozie, so if i would not create swap if i have 8gb ram on my laptop why should waste 8gb on swap, it is not going to use even?
[20:15] <NotreDev> all the fault of mongo 2.2 requiring 3.3gb of db space (didn't see this control option in /etc/mongodb.conf
[20:15] <DSrv> NotreDev: Possibly.
[20:15] <zykotick9> purvesh: running without swap, makes your system slower... just sayin'
[20:15] <snoozie> purvesh, exactly my point, you would only need to have the swap if you plan to over tax your system resources
[20:15] <ms_choudhary_200> I have 2gb ram, and have set swap size to be 2gb. Is it ok?
[20:16] <DSrv> NotreDev: That's why backups before you make changes are recommended. I've not had it fail though. Just hit the green checkmark to start the work.
[20:16] <NotreDev> ms_choudhary_200: yep ;). swap is part of your virtual memory
[20:16] <purvesh> snoozie, so if i have 8gb ram how much should i allot swat size ?
[20:16] <NotreDev> DSrv: yep, rebooting now
[20:16] <snoozie> zykotick9, how so? i dont see that slowing him down
[20:16] <darksquirrel> lo
[20:16] <dr_willis> zykotick9:  ;) no swap here.. but thats because i repartioned a hdd when i added a sdd. and havent put it back yet
[20:17] <zykotick9> dr_willis: i'm gonna assume s/sdd/ssd/ ;)
[20:17] <ms_choudhary_200> ya, but is it ok to set swap size same as ram?
[20:17] <NotreDev> ms_choudhary_200: perfectly fine. wikipedia swap space
[20:18] <DSrv> I'm hitting trouble installing Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS x86_64 on a machine.  It was previously installed, but the hard drive had to be replaced as it was failing.  I run through the installer, it copies files, but doesn't seem to let me progress past the "Where are you?" timezone screen.  I've tried with & without network access, with & without downloads enabled, with & without 3rd-party. Any ideas or brain farts?
[20:18] <darksquirrel> snoozie: swap is extended memory on your harddrive afaik
[20:19] <zykotick9> darksquirrel: the "virtual memory" is only part of what swap is for ;)  i consider it's main point, offloading non-used stuff out of physical ram...  the "virtual memory" part, is very slow.
[20:19] <DSrv> ms_choudhary if swap is the same size as RAM, it makes hibernation possible. Larger means you can use swap as well as hibernate.
[20:19] <snoozie> darksquirrel, i know what swap is for, i dont see how it could slow a system down to not have a swap, as long as the amount of memory used doesnt go past what you have
[20:20] <dr_willis> DSrv:  i think the installer has a log file, or you can run it from a terminal to look for errors. i would also watch the dmesg and system logs as it installs
[20:20] <NotreDev> yay - /dev/sda1              15G  7.6G  6.1G  56% /
[20:20] <ms_choudhary_200> DSrv,  will it affect in anyways in performance?
[20:20] <snoozie> being able to hibernate is very handy, so having swap the same as ram would be necessary for me
[20:21] <NotreDev> swap space is only used when you're requiring more memory than is in available to RAM
[20:21] <dr_willis> if you start using swap.. you will have a performance hit...
[20:21] <dr_willis> of course if you need swap  (use all your ram) and have no swap... welll thats not good
[20:21] <zykotick9> !swap
[20:22] <NotreDev> you only get a performance hit if the files you're using don't reside in RAM. when this happens, the OS "page out" to the swap space and "page in" the required data to RAM
[20:22] <DSrv> ms_choudhary_200: I recommend to use at least 2X swap as RAM if you have the space. I use 4X max RAM (but them again I deal with VMs of actual physical machines).
[20:22] <DSrv> dr_willis: Thanks, I'll check.
[20:22] <dr_willis> for mormal daily use here. with 8gb of ram. i dont recall ever needing swap
[20:22] <snoozie> like dr_willis  says it would be bad to run out of ram and have no swap, but if your not going to use more than 5gigs of ram and have 8 i dont see a problem
[20:23] <ResQue> what does rc stand for in the .xinitrc file
[20:23] <bekks> DSrv: Thats wasting space, since that rule is about 15 years old. Nowadays, 1.1x for swap vs. RAM is more than sufficient.
[20:23] <zykotick9> ResQue: Resource Configuration i believe
[20:23] <dr_willis> ResQue:  where exactly? in its name?
[20:23] <ResQue> zykotick9: thanks a lot, i hate not knowing simple things like that, also helps me remember file names
[20:24] <ResQue> dr_willis: i dont understand the question
[20:24] <PGP_Protector> Question: Our company is running Ubuntu 11.04 server to host a SOAP/WSLD interface to our Database.  (Running via PHP & Apache) we'd like to enable live push updates though.  In my reading Comet doesn't work too well with Apache, is this correct ?
[20:24] <darksquirrel> snoozie: can you even install without assign swap space ? ...but you can try to swapoff and give it a try ;)
[20:24] <dr_willis> ResQue:  the way you asked i thought you ment a 'rc' command IN the file.. not the name
[20:24] <snoozie> darksquirrel, yes you can install without a swap
[20:25] <ResQue> dr_willis: oh no, perhaps i should have worded the question a little better
[20:25] <dr_willis> actually hasent .xinitrc been replaced by .xsession ?
[20:25] <darksquirrel> snoozie: not in debain installer
[20:26] <darksquirrel> snoozie: *debian
[20:26] <snoozie> darksquirrel, ive done it in 9.04
[20:27] <darksquirrel> snoozie: ok, left ubunty since gutsy lo
[20:29] <darksquirrel> snoozie: ...hm when you can install without assigned swap space wherse the proplem ?
[20:29] <elijah> Does anyone here use OpenConnect for VPN access? I am trying to get it running on 12.04 and when setting up a Cisco AnyConnect VPN there is no option to use SecurID as suggested by older online manuals. I am not getting a password prompt when connecting like I expect but I am getting "the vpn connection failed because there were no valid vpn secrets", I have been going through this for over an hour now searching various resources. Thanks f
[20:29] <purvesh> zykotick9, DSrv, dr_willis, snoozie, so what is final conclusion in my case, If i have laptop with 8gb ddr3 1600MHZ ram & i am going to install ubuntu 12.10 as a dual boot, should i need to create swat if yes then how much space i should assign 8gb swap or more ?
[20:30] <PeterME> When i suspend Ubuntu and then turn on the panel oven (both on the same electrical circuit) my computer turns back on again. Same goes for a lamp I've got connected right next to the computer (although not every time in this case).
[20:30] <irwanhidayatulla> wkkw
[20:30] <bekks> purvesh: In case you want to use hibernation or suspend, you need 1.1x RAM for swap.
[20:30] <snoozie> purvesh, use an 8GB swap if you want to be able to hibernate
[20:30] <dr_willis> purvesh:  if you want to use hibernate 8gb of swap. if not you can get by with less
[20:30] <zykotick9> purvesh: if you want to use hibernate it must be 8GB (and a little bit) BUT hibernate is disabled in ubuntu.. due to high failure rates.
[20:30] <purvesh> bekks, yeah i am going to use hibernation
[20:30] <dr_willis> i never use hibernate.. so id do 4gb of swap
[20:31] <bekks> purvesh: Then you need swap. :)
[20:31] <dr_willis> purvesh:  assuming hibernate works...
[20:31] <snoozie> dr_willis, would he need it for suspend as well
[20:31] <snoozie> ?
[20:31] <elijah> It looks like openconnect is a year old in ubuntus repos, maybe updating to latest version will fix
[20:31]  * zykotick9 likes the uptime "cheat" of pm-hibernate
[20:32] <darksquirrel> snoozie: got 4GB(part onboard graphic card) and nearly mad 4GB swpspce
[20:33] <purvesh> bekks, so i would need 9011mb of swap if i count like 1.1x*8192
[20:33] <nawri_corp> whooo
[20:33] <darksquirrel> snoozie: according to top/htop it uses it from time to time
[20:33] <snoozie> darksquirrel, swappiness setting determines that
[20:33] <nawri_corp> top and htop or using ps
[20:33] <lukasik> hi I need little advice regarding ubuntu version for install
[20:33] <darksquirrel> snoozie: tryed to opem mplayer 50 times and voilla
[20:33] <darksquirrel> snoozie: open*
[20:34] <snoozie> darksquirrel, try setting swappiness to 0, it'll only use swap if its necessary
[20:34] <DSrv> dr_willis: I got a line in /var/log/syslog that says "ubiquity: grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb2. Check your device map." Is this causing it? Or is it the next line: "ubiquity[2991]: debconffilter_done: ubiquity.components.install (current: ubi-timezone)"
[20:34] <purvesh> snoozie, is this method is perfect for UEFI ? http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/10/10/dual-boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-04-on-a-pc-with-uefi-board-ssd-and-hdd/
[20:34] <lukasik> single machine - but many virtuals on it - Xserver is required - should I use server or desktop version ? (64-bit)
[20:35] <adoniscik> has anyone successfully installed Windows 8 AFTER Ubuntu? I have a triple boot system using GRUB with an empty partition for Windows 8. Now that I've acquired windows I was wondering if there are any precautions I should take before proceeding.
[20:35] <mirak> hi
[20:35] <ThinkT510> lukasik: desktop
[20:35] <Guest14722> siemka
[20:35] <darksquirrel> snoozie: depands what programs you use and how ram hungry they are. but y i will try some time
[20:35] <mirak> does the MTP of the Nexus 7 works on Ubuntu 12.10 ???
[20:35] <OY1R> q: how/what settings should i use in transmission to speed up transmission ?
[20:36] <mirak> my galaxy s2 is reconized with MTP but not the Nexus 7
[20:36] <lukasik> Thanks
[20:36] <JimmyJohnny> is it wrong to run executables on linux...i need someone to explain why people offer only source downloads for linux but .exe's for windows of the same software?
[20:36] <jrib> JimmyJohnny: you should be using repositories to install software on Linux.  What are you trying to install?
[20:36] <ThinkT510> JimmyJohnny: entirely different ecosystem, an exe is for windows
[20:37] <snoozie> purvesh, im no expert on the topic (never had uefi system) i got those answers from googling
[20:37] <mirak> so no one have NExus 7 ??
[20:37] <JimmyJohnny> ThinkT510 okay but what does the source code compile into? is it not an .exe?
[20:37] <purvesh> snoozie, ok not an issue, thanks for helping !
[20:37] <ThinkT510> JimmyJohnny: a binary, exe is just specific to windows
[20:37] <purvesh> snoozie, :)
[20:38] <JimmyJohnny> ThinkT510 why do people want me to compile source code on linux to run their software? its difficult if you have never done it before. i just tried KUbuntu today for the first time
[20:38] <purvesh> snoozie, so now i have to do experiment with my new ultrabok ;)
[20:38] <ThinkT510> !software | JimmyJohnny
[20:38] <snoozie> purvesh, thats part of the fun of linux
[20:38] <ThinkT510> JimmyJohnny: compiling is usually the last resort
[20:38] <purvesh> snoozie, yeah !
[20:41] <snoozie> could someone help me get graphic drivers for hp compaq nw8440 mobile workstation
[20:42] <dr_willis> snoozie: and the video chipset us?
[20:42] <dr_willis> is?
[20:42] <snoozie> i installed them on windows and found that i had to use the ones from hp and not ati,
[20:42] <snoozie> its a an ati firegl 5200
[20:42] <snoozie> but seems that hp has modified it, and dont provide a linux version on their site
[20:43] <john_doe_jr> how do you view all users in ubuntu?
[20:43] <dr_willis> snoozie: ran the   'additional-drivers' tool yet?
[20:43] <snoozie> dr_willis, yes and none are found
[20:44] <dr_willis> id say check askubuntu.com snoozie   they may know more on it. :-/﻿
[20:44] <bekks> purvesh: Roundabout 9GB should be ok :)
[20:45] <purvesh> bekks, ok thanks
[20:45] <snoozie> dr_willis, ive been googling ubuntuforums for an hour, about to try ask now
[20:49] <dr_willis> askubuntu.com is getting a good answer base built up.. getting to be a lot of cruft also however. ;(
[20:49] <dr_willis> i find that sorting question/answers by 'votes' seems to work best
[20:51] <snoozie> so i tried pm hibernate, and the system seemed to shutdown improperly but has booted back up just fine
[20:51] <peterrus> john_doe_jr: with ´who´
[20:51] <peterrus> all logged in users that is
[20:52] <peterrus> you can find all users in /etc/passwd
[20:52] <snoozie> purvesh, this may be of interest to you, http://pauljoyceuk.com/codex/2012/howto-make-ubuntu-12-04-hibernate-successfully/
[20:52] <purvesh> snoozie, thanks let me see...
[20:53] <john_doe_jr> peterrus: I figured it out …vim /etc/passwd
[20:54] <peterrus> john_doe_jr: it might be wise to learn basic linux with a book or something
[20:54] <peterrus> as these are not ubuntu specific questions
[20:54] <peterrus> it will make your life a lot easier ;)
[20:54] <peterrus> we´ve all been there
[20:55] <andreabrax> ciao
[20:55] <andreabrax> !list
[20:57] <gustav__> Anything fun happening in Ubuntu?
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> gustav__: always
[20:57] <gustav__> No... how?
[20:57] <gustav__> Where + what
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> gustav__: omgubuntu keep up with that sort of thing, shove it in your RSS reader
[20:58] <oxense> Hi  I'm a total noob at linux, and why I would chose ubuntu over kubuntu or vice versa.
[20:58] <gustav__> Don't have an RSS reader.
[20:58] <Tim``> i have just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10. in a unity2d session, i can't f igure out how to change any settings at all
[20:58] <gustav__> oxense: Kubuntu is more of the same.
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> oxense: depends which desktop you like
[20:58] <LadyNikon> hello.
[20:58] <ThinkT510> oxense: try both, see which you prefer
[20:58] <Tim``> i wasa in a unity3d session, and i could then search for e.g. "display in the dash, but nothing appears when i search for that in unity2d
[20:58] <Tim``> am i being stupid?
[20:58] <oxense> Just the appearance or the feel?
[20:58] <GunArm> oxense: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde, if you dont know the difference it wont make a difference for you.  I suggest you do the regular ubuntu so you start out more in the norm
[20:59] <LadyNikon> anyone know what plugins I need to get Rhythmbox to play soma.fm streams?
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> gustav__: you can install them, i believe thunderbird has one (if you use thunderbird)
[20:59] <Tim``> oh, i have to search in applications
[20:59] <Tim``> why do i hav eto do that
[20:59] <gustav__> ActionParsnip: Not a great RSS interface i TB.
[20:59] <Tim``> this is much harder to use than 11.04 was
[20:59] <oxense> also is the a "onenote" alternative for ubuntu?
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> gustav__: I use feedindicator, sits in the indicator and make a noise when new feeds arrive
[20:59] <oxense> *threre
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> tim`: you can drag commonly used apps to the unity bar or lock them once you run stuff
[21:00] <gustav__> ActionParsnip: What indication? I'm on WindowMaker. I'm looking for a dock app. But my dock is full, so...
[21:00] <LadyNikon> oxense: if you google onenote alternatives for linux you  might find something
[21:00] <dr_willis> windowmaker? how old school. ;)
[21:00] <gustav__> Yeah, I like it, except when I have a lot of windows. Doesn't handle that very well.
[21:01] <gustav__> Just shading windows is a lot of work.
[21:01] <oxense> LadyNikon: But the problem is that I want to use my old onenote documents and implement them, do you know any alternative that would make that possible?
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> oxense: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1386750.html
[21:01] <gustav__> I seem to have found a couple-a lot of bugs too.
[21:01] <LadyNikon> oxense: what about running onenote in wine?
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> gustav__: or you can just check the site every few days, lots of news
[21:02] <oxense> Isn't wine buggy? Or does it run standard  applications well?
[21:02] <gustav__> I'll put in a bookmark.
[21:02] <LadyNikon> oxense: dunno I have crossover
[21:02] <dr_willis> oxense:  depends on the windows app
[21:02] <ThinkT510> !appdb | oxense
[21:02] <oxense> okok
[21:02] <LadyNikon> you could try that as well.
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> oxense: all software is buggy
[21:03] <LadyNikon> lol @ triggers
[21:03] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: while i agree "all software has bugs" i wouldn't say "all software is buggy" ;)
[21:04] <dr_willis> bugs are often the best feayures
[21:04] <LadyNikon> ^ why i stopped doing software testing lol
[21:05] <dr_willis> ive been playing skyrim too much.. the bugs make it fun at times
[21:05] <DSrv> dr_willis: I got to get to the "Any questions?" screen.  The progress bar at the bottom has reached the end of the "Copying installation logs..." step and it seems stuck there. Drive activity has stopped. The syslog ends with "finish-install: Disabling CD in sources.list" and then has 4 entries where the following 3 lines repeat: "acpid: client 2655[0:0] has disconnected" "acpid: client connected from 2655[0:0]" "acpid: 1 client rule loaded" "kernel: [timecode] 
[21:05] <gustav__> USDK. That's nice.
[21:06] <dr_willis> DSrv:  how about dmesg output at the end?
[21:06] <gustav__> If I start making money on programming I could actually buy an application some time.
[21:06] <gustav__> Bastion looks super nice.
[21:07] <dr_willis> gustav__:  ;) its neat but a pain on some levels. ;)
[21:07] <gustav__> dr_willis: How much is it?
[21:07] <roychri> Is it possible to install ubuntu on a USB flash drive and use that on a computer that has no HDD ?  I installed ubuntu using unetbootin (chosen ubuntu netinstall) but now I am at the point it is asking me which partition to choose. I am lost at that point
[21:07] <dr_willis> gustav__:  no idea. got it on steam ages ago.
[21:08] <gustav__> Ah.
[21:08] <dr_willis> roychri:  yes. its possible to do a full install to usb
[21:08] <adaminsull> Hello I am having a few errors with unrealircd and it says to check the ircd.log but how?
[21:09] <dr_willis> i  have done a full install to a usb, from a second 'live' usb made with unetbootin
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> roychri: yes
[21:09] <AlanBell> roychri: if when you set it up you allowed it to create a persistence area then you should click the try ubuntu now button rather than the install ubuntu now button
[21:09] <roychri> dr_willis, If I booted using unetbootin netinstall, can I simply ask it to reformat the USB flash drive to install ubuntu on it?  Won't that prevent the install to work since that is the booting device?
[21:09] <AlanBell> then you can use it and your home directory will be persistent
[21:09] <dr_willis> adaminsull:  its a text file you can open/view/tail
[21:09] <adaminsull> How
[21:09] <adaminsull> I'm new to ubuntu
[21:09] <prawnsalad> .
[21:09] <roychri> AlanBell: then I should choose the Live instead of NetInstall version
[21:10] <sbte> hi, I'm in Precise and my gnome-session-manager started using 100% CPU. I then killed it and after that my windows all looked messed up. To fix that I tried compiz --replace, but now the title bars of all my windows look really weird and have the close buttons etc of the right instead of the left
[21:10] <dr_willis> roychri:  note i said i used 2 flash drives. ;)
[21:10] <sbte> anyone who knows how to fix that?
[21:10] <sbte> a reboot doesn't help
[21:10] <roychri> dr_willis: right! Because using only one would not work for sure or because you did nopt want to risk it? :)
[21:10] <AlanBell> roychri: oh, right yes. Or do a netinstall to a separate USB, I doubt installing to the one you booted from would be a good plan!
[21:10] <dr_willis> roychri:  there is a 'toram' option..  but i have dozens of flash dreives
[21:10] <adaminsull> dr_willis: How?
[21:11] <gustav__> Is there any good, complete, tutorial for creating an Ubuntu package?
[21:11] <DSrv> dr_willis: The last 12 entries in dmesg are "[drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id" before the first of those is "EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: errors=remount-ro" & "EXT4-fs (sda3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)" What are your thoughts?
[21:11] <roychri> dr_willis: I will check the toram,  That looks promissing.
[21:11] <dr_willis> adaminsull:  a text editor or 'tail -f /path/to/file' is one way
[21:11] <adaminsull> ok
[21:12] <dr_willis> DSrv:  nothing seems very weird in those.. there may be an installer log file alaso in the useres home
[21:12] <roychri> I only have 768MB of RAM though.  Maybe toram requires more RAM than that
[21:12] <adaminsull> tail: cannot open `/root/Unreal3.2/ircd.log' for reading: No such file or directory
[21:12] <Bsims> gustav__: debian new package maintainers guide... or cheat and use checkinstall
[21:12] <dr_willis> roychri:  quite a bit more i would bet
[21:13]  * roychri starts looking for a usb drive to use!
[21:13] <gustav__> Bsims: Kinda have to use something that would be accepted to main.
[21:13] <Bsims> gustav__: then follow the list here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[21:14] <Bsims> gustav__: its not very difficult if its a single binary
[21:14] <dr_willis> adaminsull:  sounds like you got the wrong path. or spelt it wrong
[21:14] <adaminsull> No I don't have the file
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> adaminsull: running an irc server as root isn't a great idea
[21:14] <gustav__> Bsims: Can't get the sh-t to compile so never mind. -.-"
[21:15] <dr_willis> adaminsull:  why would it be in /root/ ?
[21:15] <Bsims> gustav__: yeah I've ran into that myself on some programs
[21:15] <_Ika_Musume_> hello
[21:15] <Bsims> gustav__: what program are you trying to build?
[21:15] <gustav__> Bsims: qvwm.
[21:15] <_Ika_Musume_> im new to linux ubuntu
[21:15] <DSrv> dr_willis: nope, not in root's either. Same is true of the installer file system.
[21:15] <Bsims> gustav__: ah ok maybe check to see if there is a ppa with it already?
[21:15] <gustav__> Bsims: True.
[21:16] <_Ika_Musume_> got some questions, where do i get some drivers for logitecg g15/mx400 and synaptics
[21:16] <adaminsull> ActionParsnip: It's not
[21:17] <Bsims> gustav__: but in general its "dh_make --native" followed by "sudo dpkg-buildpackage"
[21:17] <dr_willis> adaminsull:  so why would the log  be in /root/ ?
[21:17] <J4M> _Ika_Musume_: did you try installing gpointing-device-settings
[21:17] <adaminsull> I dunno
[21:17] <adaminsull> I did it under ircd user
[21:17] <_Ika_Musume_> no clue lol im new to this, i wanna get rid of windows
[21:17] <J4M> sudo apt-get install gpointing-device-settings
[21:18] <dr_willis> adaminsull:  then it may be in that useres home, or in /var/log/
[21:18] <adaminsull> ok
[21:18] <lizardbrain> i added /usr/bin/teamviewer7 to startup but it does not startup
[21:19] <lizardbrain> i am guessing because from command line i have to sudo it
[21:19] <lizardbrain> how do you run things as root in startup
[21:19] <_Ika_Musume_> do i need to reboot in order to get them loaded like in windows ?
[21:19] <dr_willis> adaminsull:  you may want to readup/learn some more linux basics skills befor jumping into running an irc server ;)
[21:19] <adaminsull> dr_willis: I'm ok running it once up
[21:20] <dr_willis> lizardbrain:  use the command 'gksudo commandname'
[21:20] <dr_willis> teamviewer running as root seems... scary
[21:20] <gustav__> "*** No rule to make target `def16.ani'," <- What should compile .ani?
[21:20] <J4M> _Ika_Musume_: Alt+SysRq+k will reboot the x server
[21:20] <sbte> I'm in Precise and my gnome-session-manager started using 100% CPU. I then killed it and after that my windows all looked messed up. To fix that I tried compiz --replace, but now the title bars of all my windows look really weird and have the close buttons etc of the right instead of the left. Rebooting doesn't help. Does anyone know what to do?
[21:20] <Bsims> _Ika_Musume_: in general if its supported its automatic, you may need to manualy load the drivers aka kernel modules
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> adaminsull: seems weird to be using /root for log files.
[21:21] <J4M> Bsims: It's an X driver
[21:21] <adaminsull> I know
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> sbte: if you make a fresh user, is it the same?
[21:21] <dr_willis> sbte:  see if a newly made user has the same issues
[21:21] <dr_willis> ;)
[21:21] <Bsims> J4M: Ah
[21:21] <J4M> but
[21:22] <J4M> gpointing-device-settings is just a gui tool that might do what he wants
[21:22] <lizardbrain> im just going to add it to /etc/rc.local
[21:22] <DSrv> _Ika_Musume_: For the touchpad: 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' For the keyboard, it should work fine, I don't know about the gee-wizzardry buttons, however you can map them to trigger events in the window manager.
[21:22] <dr_willis> lizardbrain:  that wont work for x gui apps...
[21:22] <J4M> He'll need to install xf86-input-synaptics and load it with X
[21:22] <solution> (facepalm)
[21:22] <J4M> DSrv: would that automatically load the driver when X restarts? or does xorg still need to be edited
[21:23] <lizardbrain> hmm
[21:23] <DSrv> dr_willis: nope, not in root's either. Same is true of the installer file system.
[21:23] <sbte> ActionParsnip, dr_willis, no, it's fixed in a clean account
[21:23] <dr_willis> lizardbrain:  .config/autostart is normal place for such things
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> sbte: then you know its your settings, not the app itself
[21:24] <dr_willis> DSrv:  im out of ideas.
[21:24] <Bsims> J4M:  I beleve it will autoload it
[21:24] <J4M> cool
[21:24] <DSrv> J4M: I've never had any problem getting it to work for me.  A reboot maybe...
[21:24] <sbte> ActionParsnip, well, yes, because it's all windows, and I didn't change anything to unity or compiz itself
[21:24] <sbte> question is what setting
[21:24] <sbte> unity --reset doesn't help either
[21:24] <dr_willis> sbte:  i often just reset them all ;)
[21:24] <Bsims> One thing I always have to change back is reenable the xserver restart key
[21:25] <lizardbrain> i just make a file in that folder dr_willis?
[21:25] <dr_willis> lizardbrain:  a .desktop launcher. or link, or shell script
[21:25] <lizardbrain> echo /usr/bin/teamviewer7 > .config/autostart/tv
[21:25] <sbte> dr_willis, how?
[21:25] <dr_willis> sbte:  make a Backupconfigs dir.. move all your .* dirs to it. is the extreme reset
[21:26] <dr_willis> but most likely only a few need to be moved
[21:26] <sbte> dr_willis, well, yes, that's the ultimate solution, but I thought that maybe there was some nice way to reset all window manager related configs
[21:27] <dr_willis> sbte:  ubuntu-tweak used to have a tool for it
[21:27] <dr_willis> sbte:  webupd8 blog site had a guide on resetting also
[21:28] <Tim``> i'm really not enjoying 11.10 :(
[21:28] <Tim``> (inb4 "upgrade then")
[21:29] <deedee> how can I keep ubuntu live CD 12.10 from switching to the secondary VGA port which has no Display resulting in a black screen ?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> deedee: is this a laptop?
[21:29] <deedee> yes its an acer laptop
[21:30] <lizardbrain> dr_willis: echo "#!/bin/sh\n/usr/bin/teamviewer7" > .config/autostart/tv; does not work
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> deedee: is there a shortcut to switch output between screen and vga?
[21:30] <deedee> yes , but it doesnot work
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: you need a full .desktop file if you are using ~/.config/autostart
[21:30] <steiner> Aren't Acer products known for being finicky?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> deedee: tried disconnecting the screen during the install?
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: the files in ~/.config/autostart are not bash scripts
[21:31] <gunjubas> re all
[21:31] <deedee> its a laptop i cannot disconnect the screen
[21:31] <DSrv> dr_willis: nope, not in root's either. Same is true of the installer file system.  I'm just going to cross my fingers & reboot.
[21:31] <jrib> lizardbrain: just use the startup manager gui app
[21:32] <gunjubas> i try to build from sources last gcc (4.2) on my ubuntu 4.10 (2.6.8 kernel) - this is good idea or not?
[21:32] <jrib> gunjubas: ubuntu 4.10.........
[21:32] <gunjubas> ) but work more faster that other on my machine
[21:32] <lizardbrain> jrib does the gui app allow me to run it as root?
[21:32] <jrib> lizardbrain: no
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> !4.10
[21:33] <lizardbrain> then it is of no use
[21:33] <gunjubas> i want to compile last version of kernel...just for fun
[21:33] <ikonia> gunjubas: not going to happen
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> gunjubas: that is 6 years dead, no more support for Warty
[21:33] <jrib> lizardbrain: it's just a way to interact with ~/.config/autostart/ . What are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> !kernel | gunjubas
[21:33] <gunjubas> :)
[21:33] <lizardbrain> i need to run teamviewer7 on startup
[21:33] <lizardbrain> as root
[21:34] <DSrv> dr_willis: JACKPOT!! Thanks! :-D
[21:34] <gunjubas> lizardbrain - create startup string in rc.local
[21:34] <marcus_> anyone know how to (by ubuntu terminal) see the text, or maybe find the text on a website?
[21:34] <lizardbrain> gunjubas can't run gui apps from rc.local tried that
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: if you add a small sleep (gives the X server time to start) in the script  and add to to /etc/rc.local but backgrounded, it should work
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: why does it need to run as root?
[21:34] <ikonia> marcus_: you need a web brower like links or elinks or lynx
[21:34] <nwillems> Hello there. I'm seeing some weird behaviour from my ubuntu machine. I'm running a nodejs script, and at somepoint it just decides that it cant access the folder from where it was started. My shell can list files in there and the like, but the nodejs script gets the path "(unreachable)", can anyone explain this to me?
[21:35] <marcus_> web browser inside terminal ?
[21:35] <lizardbrain> ActionParsnip not sure i never wrote the app but i tried as normal user doesnt work
[21:35] <lizardbrain> marcus_ lynx
[21:35] <gunjubas> marcus_ - yes. apt-get install lynx
[21:35] <ikonia> nwillems: how are you running node.js ?
[21:35] <marcus_> okk thx
[21:35] <deedee> its a laptop i cannot disconnect the screen
[21:36] <zykotick9> marcus_: personally, i'd suggest links2 or elinks, over lynx myself
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: try the adding the sleep in the script then background the script in /etc/rc.local by adding an ampersand. The boot will continue but the script's sleep command will keep running then when X loads, the command can run
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: what are you using teamviewer to achieve?
[21:37] <lizardbrain> ActionParsnip remote desktop
[21:37] <gunjubas> lizardbrain - maby x11 - better?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: what will you be doing on the remote system though
[21:38] <deedee> how can I keep ubuntu live CD 12.10 from switching to the secondary VGA port which has no Display resulting in a black screen ?
[21:38] <gunjubas> lizardbrain (i mean x11vnc)
[21:38] <nwillems> I have SSH access to the machine and then in byoubo, so from the terminal. With the following command "node scripts/soeren.js ..."
[21:38] <lizardbrain> my boss will be using the browser etc
[21:38] <lizardbrain> hes too noob for ssh
[21:38] <ikonia> nwillems: what's byoubo ?
[21:38] <lizardbrain> likes his teamviewer
[21:38] <gunjubas> lizardbrain - use tightvnc over java
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: that doesn't really answer the question
[21:38] <ikonia> lizardbrain: please don't mock people for using a browser, it's not "noob" there is nothing wrong with using a gui
[21:38] <zykotick9> ikonia: newschool version of screen
[21:38] <ikonia> zykotick9: ahh, thank you
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> !byobu
[21:39] <ikonia> nwillems: how are you running java script from the command line
[21:39] <lizardbrain> ikonia the task he will be performing are noob
[21:39] <lizardbrain> hes making me write a webgui for a system i made
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: so your boss wants to use the web browser on a remote sysyem, is that it?
[21:39] <gunjubas> )
[21:39] <nwillems> ikonia: Its screen with a fancy line at the bottom, showing CPU and RAM usage and the time. I run javascript with nodejs
[21:39] <lizardbrain> yes ActionParsnip
[21:39] <ikonia> lizardbrain: stop it, using a browser is not "noob"
[21:40] <gunjubas> lizardbrain - i suggest use vnc vith java-addon from browser
[21:40] <ikonia> nwillems: apologies, I'm not getting how you are running the java script from within a shell
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: make him a shortcut to run: ssh -X username@server firefox
[21:41] <lizardbrain> ActionParsnip good idea thanks
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: when he runs the shortcut, you will be asked for password then the browser wil be launched
[21:41] <gunjubas> ActionParsnip - she must have X-server on both side...
[21:41] <lizardbrain> gunjubas, does :)
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> lizardbrain: if you use ssh keys, you won't even need to enter password and can make a GUI icon to double click
[21:41] <jrib> ikonia: node.js is basically a way to use javascript as a cgi script (not exactly, but essentially server-side javascript) afaik
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> gunjubas: as long as the app is installed on the server side, it has the required stuff :)
[21:42] <nwillems> ikonia: I might have something confused here. But byobu is basically a wrapper around tmux, as far as I know. Thanks jrib.
[21:42] <marcus_> how to autoprint with lynx, to a textfile?:[
[21:42] <gunjubas> lizardbrain - good:)
[21:42] <gunjubas> marcus_  - u can use wget if you want to download page..
[21:43] <marcus_> its a ?php page.. i wanted to save log over a game character :D
[21:43] <marcus_> very cool program though
[21:44] <gunjubas> my gcc-building fail...))
[21:44] <sbte> dr_willis, the fix was to delete all metacity settings
[21:44] <nwillems> ikonia: I just discovered vim "kinda" hit the same thing. I had opened a file in the directory and closed it cleanly with vim, but the .swp file remained. So I'm guessing its some filesystem thing.
[21:44] <nwillems> It resolved itself after cd'ing to / and back to /home/peter/.../
[21:45] <jrib> nwillems: hmm, I thought byobu was a screen thing, not tmux :/
[21:46] <jrib> nwillems: actually it seems to work with both :P
[21:46] <nwillems> I would just like to know how it happened and how I can fix it. It jams the whole script.
[21:46] <nwillems> jrib: I was just about to write that it can run with both.
[21:47] <nwillems> wikipedia says so :p
[21:48] <cowsquad> does anyone know how to create to copy .usb file to a flash drive in Ubuntu
[21:48] <_Ika_Musume_> guys, any idea how to change synaptic tab buttons ?
[21:49] <jrib> nwillems: you probably need to provide more details; I'm not even sure what exactly the issue is
[21:49] <meant0m> cowsquad, startup disk creator
[21:50] <mr_david> nwillems: what's the soeren.js script do?
[21:50] <Tim``> how is the amazon deal justified?
[21:50] <cowsquad> it doesnt work meant
[21:50] <Jordan_U> !ot | Tim``
[21:50] <Tim``> okay sorry
[21:50] <Tim``> well
[21:50] <Tim``> hm.
[21:51] <Jordan_U> cowsquad: '.usb' is not a common extention, what file are you trying to work with and where did you get it?
[21:52] <nwillems> jrib: the issue is, that at somepoint I'm not allowed in my own home directory anymore, then I can cd out to / and then back, and then suddenly I can do things again. My script uses a module which mimicks the `mkdir -p` and that fails, it also shows when Im editing the script and cleanly exits vim then the .swp file is not deleted. I have no idea why or how it happened, no one else is using this machine right
[21:52] <nwillems> now, or when the error was thrown, and no permissions was changed.
[21:52] <cowsquad> is a solarios OS file. i got it from oracle
[21:52] <jrib> nwillems: does this happen several times?  About how often?
[21:53] <nwillems> mr_david: The soeren script creates a directory for its logging, other than that it has two child_procceses which does some work.
[21:53] <Jordan_U> cowsquad: Can you link to the site where you found this file?
[21:53] <jrib> Kvaks: make up your mind.
[21:54] <nwillems> jrib: I started the script about at 14:00 and it crashed at 18:00, it has happened before, but in general it runs for quite a while and then fails.
[21:54] <mr_david> nwillems: I'm a big screen/byobu user. I was curious what cool stuff you can do with node.js within screen
[21:54] <nwillems> Could it have something to do with my encrypted home drive?
[21:55] <jrib> nwillems: I was going to pursue that, yes.
[21:55] <nwillems> mr_david: Ahh, the soeren script doesn't do any fancy. Sorry. ikonia just asked how I was running JS :-)
[21:56] <jrib> nwillems: but if you're leaving screen running under your user, I don't see why the directory would get unmounted
[21:56] <jrib> nwillems: is it happening now so we can investigate?
[21:57] <nwillems> jrib: Unfortunately I already cd'ed out and back in.
[21:57] <cowsquad> jordan i got it from oracle.com
[21:57] <gustav__> If anyone wants qvwm_1.1.12 for amd64 I've got it.
[21:57] <jordan> cowsquad: hurm?
[21:57] <mr_david> nwillems: are there any interesting uses for node.js within screen?
[21:58] <jordan> Jordan_U: cowsquad got it from oracle.com :)
[21:58] <bekks> cowsquad: Could you give the complete URL please?
[21:58] <nwillems> mr_david: not that I know of. Except for in general node.js is quite interesting :-)
[21:59] <Jordan_U> cowsquad: I'm not going to search through the entirity of Oracle's website for the page that you got the file from. If you can't give a better link than that then I can't help you.
[21:59] <jrib> nwillems: what ubuntu version by the way?
[22:00] <nwillems> jrib: Next time it happens(assuming it does), do you have any ides as to how to diagnose it? I'm running 12.04.1
[22:01] <nwillems> jrib: could it be as simple as checking whether the volume is mounted?
[22:01] <jrib> nwillems: honestly, I'd just check for interesting output from dmesg, mount, and ls.  I would also consider seeing if it happens on a part of your filesystem that isn't encrypted.  It seems very strange that "cd" just seems to fix things tbh
[22:03] <Jordan_U> nwillems: Next time it happens save a log of all the commands you ran and their exact output.
[22:04] <hylian> my laptop only boots some of the time with ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10, anyone know what the cause is? it stays in blackness unless i force power down and then restart...
[22:04] <nwillems> Jordan_U: Will do. jrib if the volume would be unmounted, how would I be able to edit the file?
[22:04] <jrib> nwillems: exactly
[22:05] <cowsquad> here www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html
[22:05] <gustav__> Hey what do you guys get when you run glxspheres?
[22:06] <bekks> cowsquad: "USB images require the utility 'usbcopy' to copy the bootable ISO image to a USB flash drive. The required version of this utility is available on Oracle Solaris 11 by installing pkg:/install/distribution-constructor using the pkg(1) command-line or Package Manager utility." - thats rightj under the heading of the USB downloads.
[22:06] <gustav__> cowsquad: Try Open Indiana.
[22:07] <cowsquad> bekks but that utility is available only in solaris. i am on ubuntu
[22:08] <bekks> cowsquad: Well, Oracle did not design the USB images to be used with something else rather than Solaris.
[22:09] <meant0m> cowsquad, UNetbootin  -- sudo apt-get install UNetbootin
[22:09] <bekks> meant0m: You can use Solaris USB images with unetbootin?
[22:10] <meant0m> bekks, I am not sure but its worth a try
[22:10] <zteam> Hi guys!
[22:10] <gustav__> No, you need another image. The USB image doesn't contain a boot loader.
[22:10] <timoK> I have screen tearing with intel hd 3000 graphics (sandy bridge). in this bugreport https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37686#c92 there is the suggestion to set 'Option "TearFree" "true"'. where do I set it? xorg.conf? I don't seem to have a xorg.conf. what now?
[22:11] <zteam> Anybody know how to solve sound issues with VLC?
[22:11] <zteam> For some odd reason VLC, forgets to play the sound in my movies I puase them
[22:11] <almoxarife> zteam: as in using vlc as a kde sound backend?
[22:12] <zteam> is there any fix for that?
[22:12] <zteam> almoxarife, nope
[22:12] <almoxarife> zteam: 'forgets' /???? explain that
[22:12] <zteam> almoxarife, just pure VLC on Unity / gnome
[22:13] <zteam> almoxarife, it does play the sound perfectly, as long as I not pause the video
[22:13] <almoxarife> zteam: pausing a stream from where?
[22:14] <zteam> almoxarife, not a stream just a regular video file on my harddrive
[22:15] <nwillems> jrib: Well I'm starting it here over night and then I'll look at it in the morning, hopefully it will run without errors :-)
[22:15] <nwillems> sleep thight when you get there. And thanks for the help
[22:15] <almoxarife> zteam: does the issue also exist when you 'totem' player?
[22:15] <zteam> almoxarife, seems to be a confirmed bug in VLC too
[22:16] <zteam> almoxarife, nope, it works just fine in totem
[22:16] <almoxarife> zteam: oh, try another player, assuming the point is to see the vid
[22:17] <GunArm> is there any reason why I can't use ddrescue to copy my whole OS / partition onto a flash drive, to make my current OS into a kindof live drive?
[22:17] <zteam> almoxarife, well, the thing is that Totem is a kind of broken player itself
[22:17] <almoxarife> zteam: alrighty then
[22:18] <ThinkT510> zteam: gnome-mplayer is good
[22:18] <zteam> (it can't handle DVD menus for example
[22:19] <zteam> ThinkT510, did try that one before, but it struggles with HD-movies instead
[22:20] <zteam> almoxarife, I don't wanna sound ungreatfull but I really like VLC otherwise
[22:20] <almoxarife> GunArm: the copy would be pointing to the original drive in many instances,
[22:20] <almoxarife> zteam: that's nice
[22:21] <GunArm> almoxarife: what do you mean?
[22:21] <zteam> almoxarife, :-)
[22:21] <GunArm> like in config files?
[22:21] <timoK> zteam: new bug? i downgraded vlc to an older version because of a different sound bug.
[22:21] <almoxarife> GunArm: yeap,
[22:21] <balleyne> I have my Gwibber preferences set to "Do not display notifications," yet I'm still getting notifications for *all* messages every 20 minutes. Help?
[22:22] <GunArm> almoxarife: what config files?  you mean like having the wrong UUID in fstab?
[22:22] <zteam> timoK, yes, I consider that too
[22:22] <zteam> which version are u using?
[22:24] <almoxarife> GunArm: i have not or have reason to give it a lot of thought, but if you really want to do it then do it, hell of a lesson to learn as you go, go for it
[22:24] <timoK> zteam: 2.0.3-0ubuntu0. that is the second to last one from 12.04, iirc. works fine on 12.10 for me.
[22:24] <Jordan_U> GunArm: Indeed. You should change the UUID of the filesystem after copying, and make sure to update the fstab and grub.cfg. You also might need to update the initramfs to include USB drivers.
[22:25] <Jordan_U> GunArm: Having two filesystems with the same UUID is asking for trouble.
[22:25] <GunArm> almoxarife: sure, Ill be working on it when I get home in an hour, just wondering what i might run into
[22:25] <GunArm> Jordan_U: I figured even after I did the clone I would have to purge/reinstall grub
[22:25] <GunArm> but other than that the UUID in fstab is the main issue you forsee?
[22:25] <gustav__> So I have a stupid question for you. How do I know I am using a lowlatency kernel? What's the difference?
[22:26] <almoxarife> GunArm: i guess my first thought would be 'how do i insure that i have ??????? mounting at boot
[22:26] <Jordan_U> GunArm: Yes.
[22:27] <balleyne> gustav__, not sure if this answers your question, but my familiarity with that is through Ubuntu Studio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[22:27] <OerHeks> gustav__, you don't have it, only if you didn't install it by hand. the differencis, it is optimized for audio/video.
[22:28] <almoxarife> gustav__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/126664/why-to-choose-low-latency-kernel-over-generic-or-realtime-ones
[22:28] <OerHeks> c/didn/did
[22:28] <gustav__> OerHeks: I want my GUI to be more responsive. How/can I do that?
[22:28] <OerHeks> gustav__, that has nothing to do with a RT kernel, disable some effects will help
[22:28] <GunArm> well my SSD on my server is crashing, so I have to try to ddrescue it onto a new SSD i bought, I also bought a hella fast usb 3.0 flash drive, and I'm gonna see if I can get it where I can alternatly boot from either
[22:29] <gustav__> OerHeks: I want applications to launch instantly. Always.
[22:29] <gustav__> OerHeks: Our definition of GUI might differ...
[22:29] <OerHeks> gustav__, or buy a SSD, that gives any OS a boost
[22:29] <gustav__> I have an SSD.
[22:29] <gustav__> 330 Intel.
[22:30] <OerHeks> well, then you are at your max i guess
[22:30] <gustav__> I almost have as much RAM as SSD. So apps should be launching in nano seconds.
[22:30] <gustav__> No, sir, I am not.
[22:30] <gustav__> 640k is not enough for everyone.
[22:31] <balleyne> gustav__, RT kernel is related to latency in audio/video production, not general responsiveness of all applications
[22:31] <OerHeks> afaik there is no OS that starts apps in nanoseconds.
[22:31] <gustav__> balleyne: Do audio/video apps have special code for those kernels?
[22:31] <GunArm> real time kernels are often slower than other kernels btw
[22:31] <GunArm> real time doesnt mean fast, it means predictable speed
[22:32] <gustav__> Depends on what you mean by slower. Non real time kernels doesn't speak of time at all. So how can they be fast or slow?
[22:32] <OerHeks> GunArm +1
[22:32] <cowsquad21> So, I cannot create a .USB within Ubuntu then
[22:32] <balleyne> gustav__, from the Ubuntu Studio wiki page: the RT kernel is "an attempt to have deterministic operational deadlines from an event to system response, i.e. the time it takes the computer to respond to an event is known and predictable"
[22:32] <gustav__> cowsquad21: With OpenIndiana you can.
[22:32] <bekks> cowsquad21: You cant create the Oracle Solaris USB thing with Ubuntu since Oracle designed it to be created with Solaris.
[22:33] <rowadd> hi. need help with dual boot, please
[22:33]  * GunArm has a computer engineering degree with a specialty in real time systems
[22:33] <GunArm> ;p
[22:33] <gustav__> balleyne: That's nice.
[22:33] <bekks> cowsquad21: or OpenIndiana.
[22:33] <gustav__> GunArm: You probably cheated.
[22:33] <GunArm> no i just retook things until the gave me a degree ;)
[22:33] <gustav__> Well, if that wiki is correct, all apps will get a "speed up." At least it will seem more consistent. Hmm.
[22:34] <almoxarife> GunArm: so you probably already had the answer to the question you asked?
[22:34] <gustav__> GunArm: xD I think they have a set of people who pass that way each year, actually. :)
[22:34] <gustav__> almoxarife: No, he cheated.
[22:34] <balleyne> gustav__, i.e. +1 to GunArm that it's more about predictable speed than faster speeds
[22:35] <GunArm> non-real time systems can appear faster in bursts, but the point of real time systems is that if you have a RT system running a robot to perform surgery, it MUST have predicatable speeds
[22:35] <gustav__> balleyne: You can't know that since other kernels doesn't specify time.
[22:35] <cowsquad21> Thank bekks. I'd try thag
[22:35] <GunArm> even if those speeds are slower in order to acheive predictability
[22:35] <almoxarife> GunArm: lucky me, my lappy has not learned to do surgery, yet
[22:36] <gustav__> I want my machinery to work to guarantee times. I want control. I start with time.
[22:36] <gustav__> Supp. you can kill a moose with an X41.
[22:36] <bekks> gustav__: Why do you need a RT kernel?
[22:36] <GunArm> almoxarife: then you probably dont need a RTOS :)
[22:36] <gustav__> That's surgery?
[22:36] <balleyne> gustav__, but... guaranteeing predictable times -- whether faster or sometimes slower -- at the kernel level != faster application loading
[22:36] <gustav__> bekks: Better control on what's happening. To see if it has viruses, for instance.
[22:37] <bekks> gustav__: RT kernels dont give you more control at all.
[22:37] <GunArm> real time systems are defined as those which will cause damage to property or loss of life if units of work are not completed in a predictable timeframe
[22:37] <almoxarife> kernel chat :)
[22:37] <balleyne> gustav__, there's an overhead being added with low latency kernels to guarantee that predictability as well, because the standard kernel isn't doing the extra work of ensuring consistent times
[22:37] <almoxarife> could be worse, apache talk is like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[22:37] <GunArm> balleyne: exactly
[22:37] <gustav__> balleyne: Still not comparing to systems specifying time. They will be faster, I bet. On a mean.
[22:37] <Linkandzelda> I have a drive which I don't have the correct permissions on to edit files. How can I change this so that I can?
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: they just run in real time, with multiple threads. You can program a real time production line for packaging soap. No loss of life
[22:38] <bekks> gustav__: No. Not at all. Most likely, a RT kernel will be slower. But with a predictable execution time. Not needed for virus' forensics, etc.
[22:38] <balleyne> gustav__, if that were the case, they why on earth would anyone use a non-RT kernel? Why wouldn't RT just be the default, if it was obviously faster and better for everything?
[22:38] <gustav__> RT systems work with time. That's the point of it. Synchronizity.
[22:38] <jrib> Linkandzelda: what filesystem?
[22:38] <GunArm> ActionParsnip: or damage to property, if a soap making robot arm doesn't respond to get out of the way before a nother one comes in witha  new bar of soap
[22:39] <gustav__> bekks: How do you know if you have a virus on your system?
[22:39] <Linkandzelda> jrib: HFS+ with journlling disabled
[22:39] <bekks> gustav__: By using a virus scanner - the used kernel is irrelevant.
[22:39] <jrib> Linkandzelda: oh, I don't know about hfs.  Can you write to that now on ubuntu?
[22:39] <gustav__> balleyne: Well. Because non RT can carry big loads. If the GUI is not important, why bother, for instance. If you don't need that kind of synchronization.
[22:39] <gustav__> bekks: How do you make a virus scanner?
[22:39] <bekks> gustav__: Non-RT kernel can carry the same load.
[22:40] <GunArm> ActionParsnip: vs soft real time, like a dvd player, which is "real time" but if it lags a second there is no loss of property or life
[22:40] <gustav__> Where do the definition files come from?
[22:40] <bekks> gustav__: The kernel (RT/non-RT) is irrelevant at that point.
[22:40] <Linkandzelda> jrib: you can, but only on hfs+ drives which have journalling off. half of this drive I can write to, its just most of the existing data i cant touch. trouble is its 1.7 TB of data, and i dont have another drive to perform such a large backup
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: its still a realtime system
[22:41] <gustav__> bekks: I was talking about non-RT.
[22:41] <jrib> Linkandzelda: well try to use chmod/chown.  If that doesn't work, then it's likely some mount options
[22:41] <GunArm> ActionParsnip: thats semantics, but no it isn't really, a soft real time system is psuedo-realtime
[22:41] <Linkandzelda> jrib: as long as that wont have a chance of damaging the filesystem at ll, then i'll give it a go
[22:42] <jrib> Linkandzelda: well on ntfs, chmod will just not do anything
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: if parallel processes need to work in sync and at the same time, its a real time system
[22:42] <gustav__> Ubuntu should have some kind of retard shell for all the retards.
[22:42] <jrib> gustav__: mind your attitude please.
[22:42] <gustav__> Where mv is something like giggely-throw-the-file.
[22:42] <jrib> let's get back to support
[22:42] <gustav__> Sure.
[22:42] <almoxarife> i say if you want RT then buy 32 ps3's
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: hard real time systems imply total system failure if deadlines are missed
[22:43] <bekks> almoxarife: That wont give you RT ;)
[22:43] <almoxarife> bekks: 64 of them?
[22:43] <gustav__> A mechanical clock - that's real time.
[22:43] <bekks> almoxarife: Even 64k of them wont give you RT.
[22:43] <GunArm> ActionParsnip: I agree, and yet you call a dvd player a real time system?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: loss of life doesn't define a real time system, whomever told you that is using creative license
[22:44] <gustav__> xD
[22:44] <almoxarife> i wonder what is 'real' sometimes
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: yes, but its not a hard realtime system
[22:44] <GunArm> loss of life or damage to property is what I said
[22:44] <almoxarife> !offtopic :)
[22:44] <gustav__> almoxarife: Stare at a road in the summer.
[22:45] <Linkandzelda> jrib: that worked using chown, but is there a way to do a whole directory + files + sub directors?
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: "real time systems are defined as those which will cause damage to property or loss of life" simply isn't always true, it may be true some of the time
[22:45] <GunArm> and it comes out of this textbook http://www.amazon.com/Real-Time-Concepts-Embedded-Systems-Qing/dp/1578201241/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352155510&sr=1-4&keywords=real+time+systems+textbook
[22:45] <gustav__> almoxarife: This is IRC, message sent over the Internet. That's real.
[22:45] <jrib> Linkandzelda: chown -R
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> GunArm: GunArm they are simply systems that are subject to a "real-time constraint". That is the definition
[22:46] <SixtyFold> nothing is real, this is all just a dream....
[22:46] <SixtyFold> hahaha
[22:46] <gustav__> Negative on that.
[22:46]  * jrib thinks we are veering offtopic :x
[22:46] <jiffe98> fyi the version of samba in 11.10 is not safe to use
[22:46] <jrib> jiffe98: why?
[22:46] <jiffe98> I set it up on a dev machine and someone rooted the box through it
[22:47] <bekks> jiffe98: How did you know samba was the attacking vector?
[22:47] <jrib> jiffe98: with security updates?
[22:48] <jiffe98> bekks: because everything else was firewall off
[22:49] <bekks> jiffe98: Then how do you get access to that box - using Samba but no ssh?
[22:49] <gustav__> Keyboard?
[22:49] <jiffe98> bekks: true, port 22 was open as well, if I had to make a guess though I'd have to point at samba
[22:50] <bekks> jiffe98: Investigate the logs before making guesses ;)
[22:50] <jrib> jiffe98: so someone on your local network did it?
[22:59] <trainspotted_> I'm trying to install Lubuntu 12.10 on my LG X110 Netbook... I like to use the alternate installer, so i've downloaded it. Then I had made bootable by USB (With your recommended UNetBootIn) but it gives me an error when i'm on "Install Software Step". I've checked for integrity errors, and the installer gives me integrity errors indeed... But the MD5 is exactly the same that is given in Ubuntu Hash Tags... Anyone had problems wi
[22:59] <Linkandzelda> jrib: thanks, now I chown'd the whole drive and im good to go :D
[22:59] <trainspotted_> "[!] Configuring d-i Integrity test failed The ./pool/universe/l/lxpanel/lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin_0.5.10+git20120823-0ubuntu1_i386.deb file failed the MD5 checksum verification. Your CD-ROM or this file may have been corrupted."
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> trainspotted_: have you tried the desktop installer instead?
[22:59] <jrib> Linkandzelda: cool
[23:00] <trainspotted_> yes i tried... and that works fine...
[23:00] <trainspotted_> but i would like to report that the alternate installer is corrupted.
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> trainspotted_: isnt the alternate ISO no longer a thing?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> trainspotted_: I suggest you report a bug
[23:01] <trainspotted_> yes... where?
[23:01] <trainspotted_> and what do you mean by "no longer a thing?"
[23:02] <zteam> timoK, any easy way, to solve the dependencies for that vlc package?
[23:02] <ezio> in linux my wireless will connect for about a minute and a half then disconnect and not reconnect again.  If i sleep and wake up it will connect for another minute and a half.  anyone know what I can do?
[23:02] <trainspotted_> if i have old machines with less than 512 mb of RAM to run ubiquity that's the installer they (the lubuntu team) recommends.
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> ezio: are there lots or SSIDs on the same channel?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> ezio: what wifi chip do you use?
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> trainspotted_: could try the minimal ISO, it installs using the web (get a wired connection to make life easier)
[23:03] <zteam> timoK, I tried with downloading each of this packages and then ran sudo dpkg -i * in the folder containing the packages
[23:03] <trainspotted_> nice...
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> trainspotted_: its about 30Mb ISO :)
[23:03] <trainspotted_> i know...
[23:04] <trainspotted_> but i thought that was for advanced users...
[23:04] <trainspotted_> and i never tried...
[23:04] <VlanX> is it possible to mount on a PC a ntfs USB HDD that i have on the server?
[23:04] <trainspotted_> in the minimal iso i have to select what i want... right?
[23:05] <ezio> ActionParsnip, it's a school connection. intel chipset
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> trainspotted_: it just installs using the web, in text mode. You can build up a very compact OS if you want or use the usual metapackages to install using the repos. Saves having to install an OS, then have to upgrade it straight away
[23:05] <trainspotted_> there aren't the packages selected by default...
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> ezio: any other SSIDs about?
[23:05] <ezio> ActionParsnip, works in windows without problems
[23:05] <ezio> yup
[23:05] <ezio> lots
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> ezio: on different channels?
[23:05] <ezio> proably ... it's a university
[23:06] <trainspotted_> alright... but... where do i report that the alternate iso has a problem?
[23:06] <trainspotted_> i would like to help improve that... :)
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> ezio: if you run:  sudo iwlist scan | egrep -i 'ssid|channel'   do you see them on the same channel?
[23:09] <joe__> hey i have a problem with my wireless connectivity after i installed the latest kernel update, and i never had to install drivers for it before, how do I get wireless back?
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> joe__: are there bugs reported?
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> ezio: also try disabling IPv6 if you don't use it
[23:10] <joe__> i'm not sure where would I look for bugs being reported?
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> joe__: bugs relating to the wifi chip you use....
[23:10] <zeeegis> fadsf
[23:11] <tmus> und
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> joe__: check on launchpad
[23:13] <burtonium> can I change DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY="ACCEPT" to "DROP" from ufw without changing it in the /etc/default/ufw?
[23:14] <burtonium> or with iptables
[23:14] <almoxarife> burtonium: so, you want to change the rule in iptables you created with ufw, but not use ufw?
[23:15] <enriq> hey. Just fresh installed 12.10 on old hp/compaq. Previously 10.04 workin 0k. Now boots ok, after login, blank desktop (no icons, no launchbar, no alt-f2). Ideas?
[23:15] <joe__> no i cant find a bug report with my broadcom bcm 4313 regarding this kernel update, most likely because the update was just released today
[23:16] <burtonium> almoxaire: no. there is this file /etc/default/ufw with some default policies, I can change there, but i want this policy to be changed on the fly ;) since i want to make it ACCEPT when ppp is connected, and to change that policy back to DROP when i DC from VPN
[23:17] <justus_> hi, got a problem here with installation. I have multiple hdds installed, and I don't know where the current bootloader (windows 7)  ist installed to. the automated install does not find the right one, what can I do?
[23:17] <joe__> could i just downgrade the kernel?
[23:17] <burtonium> almoxarife: found it ;)
[23:19] <almoxarife> justus_: was win7 the only os previously installed?
[23:20] <justus_> definitely not, there's a whole clutter of previous operating systems, maybe 1 other still usable
[23:20] <justus_> almoxarife:  the main problem is that the whole system is so screwed up even I don't know my way around there anymore. usually I pray ^^
[23:21] <justus_> there's 4 hdds installed, 3 sata, 1 ide
[23:22] <justus_> the ide one is screwed up, and isn't bootable anymore, the other ones might be the problem, cause I don't know where the actual bootloader resides that is used on startup
[23:22] <almoxarife> justus_: do you know which partitions could be wiped/removed/made into free space?
[23:22] <justus_> almoxarife:  that's not the trouble, I allready partitioned and installed
[23:28] <enriq> after login to fresh 12.10 install, I just see an empty desktop (only the background)
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> enriq: what video chip do you use?
[23:29] <enriq> ActionParsnip, mmm no idea, it's an old notebook (which had 10.04 running ok)
[23:29] <enriq> ActionParsnip, maybe unsupported?
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> enriq: if you press CTRL+ALT+T do you get a terminal?
[23:31] <enriq> ActionParsnip, yes
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> enriq: great, run:  sudo lshw -C display     what is the product line?
[23:33] <enriq> ActionParsnip, NV17 GeForce4 440 Go 64M
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> enriq: do you have internet access now?
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> on the system?
[23:34] <enriq> ActionParsnip, yes, I've just apt-get update'd
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> enriq: and:  sudo apt-get upgrade'd  and: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'd
[23:35] <enriq> ActionParsnip, oops no, doing it now
[23:36] <enriq> ActionParsnip, that would do?
[23:41] <dr_willis> hmmm
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> enriq: should help
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> enriq: you may want to blacklist the nouveau driver
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> enriq: you may be able to install the nvidia 96 driver which may drive the chip
[23:43] <enriq> ActionParsnip, I guess this driver is not in the repos? Anyway I have clues, after upgrade and dist-upgrade we'll see...
[23:44] <enriq> ActionParsnip, thank you for your time, will come back if still stuck
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> enriq: upgrades fix a lot (most times :D)
[23:49] <Linkandzelda> whats the best torrent client which supports grouping?
[23:49] <Linkandzelda> i noticed that Transmission doesnt support grouping on linix
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: here is no single best app for anything
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: if there were, the others would cease to be used as nobody would use them, as ome is best
[23:51] <superfake123> could someone help me with this issue when I try to do: sudo apt-get upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/1336176/
[23:51] <Linkandzelda> ActionParsnip: I'd have to half agree with that, as some software is 100% better than others xD
[23:51] <dr_willis> im not even sure what 'grouping' means for a torrent client...
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: only in your opinion
[23:52] <Linkandzelda> dr_willis: when you have a few thousand torrents running, its pretty nessasary to have them grouped
[23:53] <Linkandzelda> dr_willis: at least, in my opinion xD
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: can you name a client from any OS taht does this?
[23:53] <timoK> I have screen tearing with intel hd 3000 graphics (sandy bridge). in this bugreport https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37686#c92 there is the suggestion to set 'Option "TearFree" "true"'. where do I set it? xorg.conf? I don't seem to have a xorg.conf. what now?
[23:54] <Linkandzelda> ActionParsnip: transmission on mac and windows, hence my earlier statement
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> timoK: you can make a barebomnes one with just that option set in a section stanza
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: interesting
[23:55] <Linkandzelda> ActionParsnip: transmission is my favorute, even if another piece of software has thousands more features, but without grouping im forced to look for alternatives :(
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: is it not under the transfers menu (just looking online now)
[23:55] <superfake123> could someone help me with this issue when I try to do: sudo apt-get upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/1336176/
[23:56] <robert_> hi
[23:56] <Guest25726> lol
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> superfake123: you have been messing with /etc/default/grub
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> superfake123: check out line 19
[23:57] <Linkandzelda> ActionParsnip: it also lacks another important feature to my mac setup, which is downloading a torrent to where the torrent was opened from. instead im forced to set a single folder
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> superfake123: can you pastebin the /etc/default/grub file please
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: you can set the folder downloaded to when you add the torrent
[23:58] <Linkandzelda> ActionParsnip: you mean manually each time?
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: how much stuff are you pulling down?
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: https://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11790
[23:59] <tanguypass> Hi !
[23:59] <superfake123> ActionParsnip, oh! I had added intel_idle.max_cstate=0 processor.max_cstate=0 idle=mwait to the file because I was told to by someone here. I removed it and it's working now
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> superfake123: the text was there dude, you pastebinned it