[01:36] <rickbol_> does ubuntustudio include an app that can rip a dvd? I don't see handbrake.
[01:37] <holstein> rickbol_: i would just search the package manager of your choice
[01:39] <holstein> i would consider using https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots
[01:40] <holstein> rickbol_: looks like acidrip is in the default ubuntu repos that ubuntustudio and all the other variants share
[01:46] <anto> hello everyone
[01:47] <anto> could you please advice me the best way to rip or shrink a DVD to hard disc or burn it directly from live cd?
[01:47] <holstein> anto: i would try #ubuntu
[01:47] <holstein> we are usually more about creating new content here
[01:48] <holstein> anything that would work for ubuntu would work for ubuntustudio
[01:48] <holstein> i dont think we include any ripping tools on the live CD
[01:48] <holstein> maybe the avlinux live CD has those tools
[01:48] <anto> thanks holstein mybe I missed the poin, what is the difference to going to ubuntu?
[01:48] <holstein> anto: more support
[01:48] <holstein> anto: more users to ask
[01:49] <anto> oh I see!
[01:49] <holstein> anto: we are not allowed to ship dvd support with any ubuntu by default
[01:49] <holstein> best case, i would think you could add a few packages and "rip" a dvd
[01:49] <holstein> though, that is not legal in my area, so i have not tried it in ages
[01:49] <anto> I read Ubuntu Studio is the best for multimedia
[01:50] <holstein> anto: you are not doing mulitmedia though
[01:50] <holstein> anto: you are changing the format of a packaged product
[01:50] <anto> ah now is more clear thanks
[01:50] <holstein> we have access to the same tool in ubuntu that would make that possible
[01:50] <holstein> anto: nothing about linux/ubuntu/ubuntustudio makes that dvd not supported
[01:51] <holstein> anto: its the dvd codecs that are licensed in a way that we cannot release them
[01:51] <anto> thanks I understand
[01:51] <holstein> anto: i would install ubuntustudio or something lighter to a USB stick
[01:51] <holstein> anto: i would install the lib-dvd stuff
[01:51] <holstein> !dvd
[01:52] <holstein> i would try something like handbrake via https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots or acidrip from the repos
[01:53] <holstein> OR, i would look for a live cd that might support that. maybe a mint spin, or avlinux
[01:53] <anto> a live cd is the best option for me
[01:55] <holstein> anto: sure, then try a mint spin, or maybe avlinux.. or a distro that is not "legal".. or make your own
[01:55] <holstein> anto: maybe a suse one with the online suse studio
[01:55] <holstein> anto: or, think about why we do not have such a live CD, and maybe just ask the conten creator for the product in the format you want
[01:56] <anto> not your fault guys
[07:17] <Flamethrower> hey everyone. Long time since I used an IRC room
[07:18] <Flamethrower> how you all doing?
[08:03] <gordonjcp> ugh, XFCE is just unusable
[08:18] <z0dd> little problem: i wish to style nautilus toolbar but window manager styles seem not to affect it. solutions?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> doesn't xfce use thunar?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> right, I've given Linux audio my once-a-year shot
[08:55] <gordonjcp> I can't put up with XFCE and its teeny-tiny blurry fonts, and there are still no PC-based sequencers
[09:02] <zequence> gordonjcp: You're free to use any desktop system you like
[09:03] <gordonjcp> zequence: I might stick Unity back on
[09:03] <zequence> gordonjcp: What do you mean by there not being PC-based sequencers?
[09:03] <gordonjcp> zequence: nothing usable
[09:04] <zequence> gordonjcp: Well, you can always help improve the ones that exist
[09:04] <gordonjcp> zequence: the thing is, I do music-y stuff as a hobby
[09:04] <gordonjcp> software development is a major part of my job
[09:04] <gordonjcp> this is why the music software I've already written is so unmaintained
[09:05] <zequence> gordonjcp: Did you try Ardourd3? And what kind of music are you making?
[09:05] <gordonjcp> zequence: mostly electronica, industrial stuff
[09:06] <gordonjcp> I haven't tried Ardour 3 for a while, but the last time I did it was terrible
[09:06] <zequence> gordonjcp: Ok, so you need samples and instruments. I'm doing something in those realms myself, but I'm only ever using puredata
[09:06] <gordonjcp> zequence: I have samples and instruments
[09:06] <gordonjcp> more than I could possibly ever need
[09:06] <gordonjcp> what I don't have is a sequencer
[09:06] <zequence> I find commercial sequencers less tha adequate for what I want to do
[09:07] <zequence> Since, what I do is very much live based, and involves a bit of improvisation
[09:07] <gordonjcp> seq24 is quite flexible for that
[09:08] <gordonjcp> I love being able to just gate patterns on and off with the keyboard
[09:08] <zequence> I don't like having to be confined to the boundaries a sequencer puts on you
[09:08] <gordonjcp> I don't like how unstable PC-based sequencers are
[09:08] <gordonjcp> they just can't keep time
[09:08] <gordonjcp> take *any* sequencer, commercial or open-source, running on any OS, program in a snare rush
[09:09] <zequence> I've had some problems with alsa midi, and an external module
[09:09] <gordonjcp> sounds like someone tipping turnips off a lorry
[09:09] <zequence> gordonjcp: Do you ever feel like you get to do the music you want to make?
[09:10] <gordonjcp> zequence: yes, but not when I involve computers
[09:10] <zequence> If not, I would probably look for options on how to improve that situation. For me, it was puredata.
[09:10] <gordonjcp> apart from my Atari ST, which Just Plain Works
[09:12] <gordonjcp> zequence: I tried puredata but I just don't understand it
[09:16] <zequence> gordonjcp: supercollider then?
[09:18] <gordonjcp> zequence: again, I don't really know what I'd use it for
[09:19] <zequence> gordonjcp: Well, what do you use a sequencer for? Controlling stuff, no?
[09:20] <gordonjcp> yes
[09:20] <gordonjcp> but supercollider and puredata look like they're more for synthesis
[09:23] <zequence> gordonjcp: I'd say good for both. But, no linearity, until you create it
[09:30] <gordonjcp> right, but then that means I have to sit and grind code
[09:30] <gordonjcp> which I don't want to do
[09:30] <gordonjcp> the whole point of sitting down to fiddle about with music stuff is to take a break from sitting bashing out code
[09:31] <gordonjcp> at present there seems to be no way to do that, without firing up the Atari ST
[09:32] <zequence> gordonjcp: Ever thought about just playing the piano?
[09:33] <z0dd> @gordonjcp, thank you, didn't know thunar. i come from nautilus under linux mint. now enabled, works perfectly. thanx
[09:35] <zequence> z0dd: Thunar is the default file manager in XFCE, but in Ubuntu Studio, we replaced it with Nautilus
[09:35] <gordonjcp> zequence: I just don't get why an Alesis MMT8 with a little 4MHz microcontroller can maintain solid timing but a PC with a 4GHz processor, clocked 1000 times faster with 64-bit words instead of 8-bit, can't even get close
[09:37] <zequence> gordonjcp: How do you notice this? By ear? If I can add stuff to a prerecorded track, that was recorded to a specific time, ranging about 30 min or more, and being able to add stuff to it, on time, not noticing any deviations, is that not good enough?
[09:40] <z0dd> zequence: why, if i can? thunar appears to be faster and more eyecandy, standard based and lightweight
[09:41] <zequence> z0dd: I'm not advicing on your choice of file manager. Just informing
[09:41] <gordonjcp> zequence: yes, by ear
[09:42] <gordonjcp> I know a lot of the jitter is down to the inherent granularity of MIDI
[09:42] <gordonjcp> but that tends to give you the same offset all the time
[09:42] <z0dd> zequence: obviously, lol, just to ask ;)
[09:43] <zequence> gordonjcp: We did add timer stuff to 12.10. Don't know if it's properly configured, so it's active. On 12.04 right now myself
[09:44] <zequence> gordonjcp: Might help reduce jitter. But, in my experience, alsa midi is what causes most of it. And, especially with external devices
[09:45] <zequence> jack midi was a lot easier to work with. I was able to record some stuff from my Roland XV-5050. Connected through usb
[09:45] <zequence> I was using Ardour3 for that (last year)
[09:45] <zequence> Don't know how much usb plays a role
[09:46] <zequence> I'm only concerned with what the music sounds like though
[09:47] <zequence> Don't know the internals of jack and alsa midi, so I can't really say what makes the difference
[09:47] <gordonjcp> oh man, USB MIDI is the *pits*
[09:48] <gordonjcp> I have this USB MIDI cable that I can basically only use for patch dumps
[09:55] <gordonjcp> it actually tries to interpret MIDI data in and out, rather than just passing on raw bytes
[09:55] <gordonjcp> so it does pointless nonsense like expanding running status into full messages
[10:44] <werto> o/ *
[11:08] <zequence> gordonjcp: Don't know how much difference it would make for you, but if you know about this http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration#hardware_timers
[11:08] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio 12.10 has added the timer permission rules
[11:09] <zequence> But, the max_user_freq is not set to 3072, which seems to be the recommended value
[11:33] <fabzor3> hi all
[11:41] <XRS1> welcome
[17:47] <snevzor> hello
[17:48] <snevzor> a friend just installed ubuntu studio 12.10
[17:48] <snevzor> but he can't install anything
[17:49] <snevzor> seems like conflicting ppa's out of the box...
[17:49] <snevzor> but I can't seem to figure it out
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: there are no PPA's
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: the packages are all in the repos
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: i would open a terminal and ping something... ping google.come
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: i would open a terminal and ping something... ping google.com
[18:02] <holstein> see that the system is online.. then i would try
[18:02] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[18:03] <holstein> see that that completes without errors
[18:03] <holstein> then, try and install something and share the errors
[18:03] <holstein> snevzor: there are no PPA's installed
[18:57] <studio-user238> hello
[18:58] <holstein> o/
[18:58] <studio-user238> Trying to get my display link to work
[18:59] <studio-user238> Anybody ever done one?
[18:59] <Unit193> Display link?
[18:59] <studio-user238> usb to VGA
[19:00] <holstein> never used that.. what is the device? do you see it in the output of lsusb?
[19:02] <studio-user238> lusb?
[19:02] <studio-user238> is that a command
[19:02] <holstein> studio-user238: thats where i would start... assuming you havent used that device in linux before
[19:03] <holstein> open a terminal and run "lsusb".. see if its listed
[19:03] <studio-user238> meaning?
[19:03] <holstein> studio-user238: meaning, you type, or copy paste the command "lsusb" into a terminal, and hit the enter key
[19:03] <holstein> you'll see some text..
[19:04] <holstein> you'll want to look and see if the usb to vga device is listed there.. you can share the output if you need help enterpretting
[19:04] <holstein> !paste
[19:04] <studio-user238> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:3803 Standard Microsystems Corp.  Bus 001 Device 004: ID 17e9:02ee Newnham Research  Bus 002 Device 003: ID 17e9:02ee Newn
[19:06] <holstein> studio-user238: i would check out
[19:07] <holstein> !paste | studio-user238
[19:07] <holstein> so i can see the entire output, and you are not flooding
[19:08] <studio-user238> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1335515/
[19:09] <rickbol> having slow video performance on this dell d630. It has the recommended NVIDIA drivers installed, but it just can't be working correctly for this OS and C\GPU.
[19:10] <holstein> rickbol: have you tried with the vesa driver? i would trouble shoot that way.. even with the live CD ad "nomodeset".. you can learn something
[19:10] <rickbol> first symptom is a 3 - 5 second screen refresh w\CPU showing very busy when I switch virtual desktops, or even tabbing between terminal and browser or other app
[19:12] <holstein> studio-user238: 17e9:02ee Newnham Research is the device..
[19:12] <rickbol> another symptom is firefox complaining: "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so" libvdpau_nvidia.so doesn't exist.
[19:13] <holstein> rickbol: how is it with the vesa driver
[19:13] <holstein> ?
[19:14] <studio-user238> Newnham Research usb device
[19:15] <studio-user238> how to get it to work?
[19:17] <rickbol> holstein: haven't tried vesa driver yet, but I'm pretty sure 2D performance will be wanting (due to lack of hardware acceleration).
[19:18] <holstein> rickbol: im not suggesting you switch to vesa.. its more of a troubleshooting step
[19:18] <holstein> studio-user238: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5NjY is where i would start
[19:33] <rickbol> "Additional Drivers" list 6 different NVIDIA driver possibilities for my hardware, but the descriptions don't discriminate between them in any way that suggests which is the most recent.
[19:34] <holstein> i would try them and use what works best
[19:34] <holstein> !nvidia
[19:34] <holstein> i had 2 options.. i think i went with "stable"
[19:48] <rickbol> holstein: perhaps some improvement with vid performance by changing driver! thx for encouragement.
[19:48] <holstein> rickbol: yeah... some improvement is improvment :)
[19:50] <rickbol> also, put a bcm4322 (listed as BCM432b) and using the proprietary STA has proven (so far) better than bcm4311 or intel4965AGN
[19:50] <rickbol> for wifi
[19:51] <holstein> i didnt hve luck with the open one :/
[19:53] <rickbol> is there anyway to increase the size of the area that allows resizing of windows. I can hardly "dial-in" the spot that lets me drag a window larger\smaller
[19:55] <holstein> rickbol: good question... i havent had to mess with that.. but i did notice.. i might just try looking in the theme.. though maybe Unit193 would know, or know where to ask/look
[19:56] <rickbol> I thought I saw something in the settings manager... looking again
[20:03] <rickbol> ALT+RightClick+drag will work fine if I can remember it.
[20:03] <holstein> rickbol: that might have been where i landed, now that i read that
[23:58] <gordonjcp> what the hell
[23:58] <gordonjcp> there isn't a mail client installed by default, but there *is* xchat?