[01:14] <xnox> ScottK: repeating my own words does not count as expressing your own opinion ;-)
[01:14] <xnox> ScottK: why is it out of scope for py3versions?
[01:15] <ScottK> Because the purpose of py3versions is to give you the supported versions.
[01:15] <ScottK> 3 is not a supported python version.
[01:16] <ScottK> Let's see how p1otr's pybuild stuff matures for a bit and then see if we still have a problem anyway.
[01:17] <xnox> ok.
[01:17] <ScottK> It may be pre-election grumpiness too.
[01:18] <ScottK> (on my part)
[04:07] <Tm_T> yofel_: Quintasan is now in testers factoid (:
[06:34] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1034322] Keyboard Layout Switcher plasma applet show deformed icon and text @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1034322 (by José Luis Bolos)
[06:35] <apachelogger> :S
[06:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you caused the kate <3 .txt regression :(
[06:58] <yofel_> apachelogger: what did he do o.O?
[06:59] <apachelogger> not copy patches around
[07:00] <apachelogger> yofel: while you are here... your kubuntu-netbook-settings upload... why does the netbook settings magic have a kickoffrc?
[07:00] <apachelogger> does that also affect the S&L thing?
[07:01] <yofel> I was wondering about that too... don't you need that if you switch to desktop?
[07:01] <apachelogger> also the team has a lack of opinion on the settings stuff I mailed about \o/
[07:01] <apachelogger> yofel: no, netbook cascades ontop of desktop
[07:01] <apachelogger> (or at least it should)
[07:01] <apachelogger> so when you switch it will simply pick up the kickoffrc from desktop
[07:01] <yofel> ah, then I'm clueless
[07:01] <apachelogger> though more to the point of why I am asking
[07:01] <apachelogger> bug 983723
[07:01] <apachelogger> is a similar problem
[07:02] <apachelogger> when you switch to desktop using the kcm it will continue using the kubuntu-netbook settings ontop of desktop
[07:02] <apachelogger> so I am wondering if that should be the case at all
[07:02] <yofel> ouch
[07:02] <yofel> anyway, bbl
[07:03] <apachelogger> i.e. if you switch to desktop using the KCM IMHO it would be more sensible to give a genuine desktop experience rather than an untested netbook settings messing with your desktop experience
[07:03] <apachelogger> also I have no idea why that particular setting is in the netbook kwinrc
[07:03] <apachelogger> seems a bit odd TBH
[07:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: thoughts welcome
[07:13] <apachelogger> it's a bug
[07:13] <apachelogger> wheee
[08:13] <apachelogger> so
[08:13] <apachelogger> startkde is broken
[08:13] <apachelogger> that is why netbook settings are applied on desktop
[09:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: that langpack install patch in the kcm seems a bit invasive, is that going to be carried upstream?
[09:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, upstream doesn't have langpacks
[09:18] <apachelogger> I know, it has multiple tars for l10n though so a plugin system to allow binary distrubtors to install those on-demand is warranted IMHO
[09:28] <apachelogger> also it has a bug
[09:28] <apachelogger>      * You @e must call the openXapianIndex() function before search will work
[09:40] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1032541] Panel autohide doesn't work any more @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1032541 (by Uqbar)
[09:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: interesting, I wonder how it works then
[09:44] <apachelogger> prolly convenience stuff
[09:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: thing is, it does not work always ;)
[09:44] <apachelogger> bug 1074371
[09:45] <apachelogger> the initial cache build needs to be triggered manually
[09:45] <apachelogger> so you'd go open() and if that fails trigger the build
[09:45] <apachelogger> otherwise one of the muon pieces needed to trigger it
[09:47]  * yofel__ goes and prepares kde-l10n 4.9.3 for quantal
[09:47] <yofel__> apachelogger++
[09:47] <yofel__> we were wondering a few days ago why the list isn't always there
[09:48] <apachelogger> actually credit goes to sam, would have taken forever to figure out if it was not always the case after install but not on the cd
[09:48] <apachelogger> getting it fixed properly should be fun though :S
[09:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: how is the string from that patch localized btw?
[09:53] <apachelogger> i.e. how do we get our strings into launchpad and then into the app?
[10:50] <apachelogger> oh and the kcm wants to install en-us, how ever that works
[11:14] <mparillo> Thanks to yofel, BluesKaj, maco: lsb_release -a reports Release:        13.04
[11:14] <tsimpson> the future is now
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:15] <mparillo> But, when opening a text file from Dolphin, I need to open with or LibreOffice is my default text editor. I cannot find a bug report on Launchpad. If there is none, should I open it against Dolphin, LibreOffice, KDE-workspace, or somewhere else?
[11:16] <BluesKaj> mparillo, Kate?
[11:18] <mparillo> Right, even after the upgrade to 13.04 (and thanks for your help), I need to open with kate, but otherwise, if I simply hit enter, LibreOffice opens text files. A paper-cut, I agree, but not my preference.
[11:20] <BluesKaj> mparillo, when choosing a text file right click , choose open with "other" , the from the dialog in utlities choose Kate , and cherck the always open with box 
[11:22] <apachelogger> mparillo: poke shadeslayer about that :P
[11:23] <apachelogger> bug 1062086
[11:23] <BluesKaj> hmm. never experienced that bug 
[11:24] <apachelogger> that's cause I fixed it in like 2009 and it creeped back into 12.10
[11:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: a work item carried forward is to localise any kubuntu specific strings
[11:24] <apachelogger> oh my
[11:25] <apachelogger> skynet priority that has
[11:25] <apachelogger> i.e. priority > making skynet happen :P
[11:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: good news is that I might have a SRUable fix for the cache problem
[11:26] <apachelogger> on a related note... Riddell, what do you think about making xapian cache builds happen as part of installation
[11:26] <apachelogger> should only take like one minute and would prevent these types of issues for most users
[11:27] <BluesKaj> one minor annoyance , ater upgrading to 12.10 , the terminal prompt opens at ~/Documents , easily fixed in the General tab by making the initial directory ~/ , in the textbox
[11:27] <BluesKaj> after
[11:27] <apachelogger> fixed in .3
[11:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/06/plasma-desktopPQ2604.png
[11:30]  * BluesKaj knocks on wood , 13.04 is really quite stable atm , not even any minor glitches
[11:30] <apachelogger> possibly because it is basically the same as 12.10 :P
[11:31] <BluesKaj> yeah :) 
[11:31] <BluesKaj> small increments in the repos
[11:39] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1074371] In Kubuntu 12.10, systemsettings does not show "system languages" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074371 (by Ganton)
[11:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: xapian cache builds as part of install sounds interesting
[11:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: on a related note ... if you open muon sc for the first time after install it will not do anything until the cache is built, so doing it during install would improve experience quite a bit
[11:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1075518] Plasma Workspace (plasma-desktop), signal: Aborted [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0xb31c5720... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1075518 (by Blair Chasteen)
[11:55] <apachelogger> brr
[11:55] <apachelogger> still broken in ways
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: it will list American English and British English as those are installed, then it will additionally list English from the package query
[11:56] <apachelogger> same for German
[11:56] <apachelogger> also the unsortedness of things is a bit bad
[12:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: why do we query for language-pack-kde rather than kde-l10n?
[12:25] <yofel__> apachelogger: IIRC language-pack-kde is a meta package that pulls in various l10n stuff
[12:26] <apachelogger> it's all fucked I say
[12:26] <apachelogger> see, there are language-pack thingies for languages neither I nor kdelibs ever heared about
[12:26] <apachelogger> so what you get for those is a conveniently useless two letter iso denotation
[12:27] <yofel__> well, I doubt you can do much about that without a working language selector
[12:27] <apachelogger> plus the fact that this language spoken in the land of mordor is probably not translated to KDE
[12:27] <apachelogger> so we offer the user to install a language that we do not support
[12:28] <apachelogger> yofel__: it's broken conceptually
[12:28] <apachelogger> always has been
[12:28] <apachelogger> always will be
[12:35] <Peace-> hi guys 
[12:47] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/06/plasma-desktopkq2604.png
[12:47] <Peace-> ?
[12:49] <mikhas> Quintasan_, you got mail
[12:51] <yofel> apachelogger: is that supposed to be the improved version? I don't see anything particulary wrong with it
[12:52] <yofel> it's sorted at least
[12:52] <apachelogger> current one is not sorted
[12:53] <yofel> right
[12:53] <apachelogger> try finding german in 200 other languages
[12:53] <apachelogger> and thankfully upstream has no filter widget either
[12:53] <yofel> here german is the 5th entry, so easy to find. Polish would be more annoying
[12:54] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: upstrem doesn't show 200 languages there afaik
[12:54] <tsdgeos> just the few installed ones
[12:54] <tsdgeos> so no problem
[12:55] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: yes
[12:55] <apachelogger> except we are suppose dto have all 200 installed
[12:55] <apachelogger> what with not being able to install them on-demand from a binary distributor POV
[12:56] <tsdgeos> that's kubuntu's problem for putting the "install" stuff in the wrong place if you ask me
[12:56] <tsdgeos> anyway, lunch
[12:56]  * apachelogger wonders if he is also suffering from electoin grumpyness :O
[12:56] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: does not compute
[12:58] <apachelogger> as I see it options are: install everything by default -> no filter widget -> meh || install on-demand -> no plugin interface in place -> meh || create a different piece of software to manage installation -> 2 KCMs doing just about the same thing -> meh ... arguably you'd then end up replacing the upstream KCM -> meh
[13:01] <apachelogger> oh ohoh
[13:01] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[13:01] <apachelogger> ./src/photoshootmode.cpp:    return KIcon("webcamreceive");
[13:01] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=webcamreceive.png&mode=exactfilename&suite=quantal&arch=any
[13:01] <apachelogger> bug 1074961
[13:01] <yofel> note that we already had a 2nd KCM for this - it just doesn't work in quantal
[13:02] <apachelogger> (does not explain the other missing icon though ... might be a similar thing tho)
[13:02] <apachelogger> yofel: conceptually broken
[13:02] <yofel> well, it needed less patching but you're right in general
[13:03] <apachelogger> ultimately upstream would enable downstream to enable on-demand and system-wide setting
[13:11] <apachelogger> yofel: turns out the search is not what it uses to install localization
[13:11] <apachelogger> the language-selector dep file is 
[13:12] <apachelogger> which lists the language-pack-kde- and kde-l10n- scheme conveniently enough
[13:17] <apachelogger> current one is broken for zh* btw
[13:18] <apachelogger> actually that may be broken in general
[13:19] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/598022/
[13:19] <apachelogger> unless I am missing something we'd only try to install one of them
[13:25] <afiestas> apachelogger: pongy
[13:25] <apachelogger> note my braindump please
[13:38]  * apachelogger writes fugly code now \\o/
[13:50] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/598088/
[13:51]  * apachelogger applauds himself for writing yet another 3-way code mapping for l10n
[14:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dpkg-source: info: using options from qapt-1.9.60/debian/source/options: --compression=bzip2 --compression-level=9
[14:23] <apachelogger> bz2?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> could be changed to xz now I suppose
[14:25] <apachelogger> /home/me/tmp/qapt-1.9.60/src/worker/transaction.cpp:37:7: error: type ‘Transaction’ is not a direct base of ‘Transaction’
[14:25] <apachelogger> :(
[14:26] <apachelogger> gcc is being smart today
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually, I think I picked up debian/source/options during a merge with the Debian packaging
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> qapt is pretty small already so it probably doesn't matter all too much
[14:26] <apachelogger> the D in debian stands for deprecated :P
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: congrats on making a library that is not compatible with a system released 6 months ago btw :S
[14:28] <yofel> apachelogger: you know, some people might just forget to change that :P
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, delegating constructors must be new in gcc 4.7...
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> oops
[14:28] <yofel> neon was still using lzma until a week ago :P
[14:28] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, it's a good thing that debian packages support in forgetting stuff like that :P
[14:28] <apachelogger> +you somewhere
[14:28] <yofel> for binary compression, source was xz since it was possible
[14:30]  * apachelogger plays compiler
[14:33]  * apachelogger is a very reliable compiler and qapt now builds :P
[14:41]  * apachelogger is a bad haxx0r though :(
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is it just me or does the new qapt always say the xapian cache needs an update?
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> that's not happening for me
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> the logic for that hasn't changed, except a fix for it always needing an update
[14:52] <apachelogger>     if (!m_backend->openXapianIndex() || m_backend->xapianIndexNeedsUpdate()) {
[14:53] <apachelogger> either it always fails to open or it needs an update
[14:53]  * apachelogger wonders why the kcm decided ti likes to crash when saying stuff is available before it is available
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> bbiab, I have a class in 14 minutes
[15:09] <Tm_T> agateau: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Raring-Ringtail/26357384_T6rzD6#!i=2197283908&k=RrpSHxr
[15:10] <agateau> Tm_T: nice! thanks for sharing :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> no captions with pics ..can't tell who's who 
[15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna, yofel: http://paste.kde.org/598160/
[15:36] <apachelogger> before I leave for dinner
[15:36] <apachelogger> that's what I have right now
[15:37] <yofel> tl;dr - will have to wait until I get home
[15:39] <apachelogger> it a) tries to open the cache and update if necessary, while doing the update a progressbar overlay makes love to the selector widgets b) lists based on what kde-l10n languages are available c) map those package langcodes to kdecodes to ubuntupkgcodes c) installs the right packages for chinese and friends d) blocks the affected widgets while qapt is working e) if qapt returns with error removes the erronous entry from the selected list
[15:39] <apachelogger> ah and settings changes are now applied once qapt is done
[15:40] <apachelogger> should be working almost perfectly now
[15:40] <apachelogger> also it should proof that the patch should not be there at all what with being way too invasive
[15:40] <apachelogger> now... afk
[16:26] <yofel> hm...
[16:26] <yofel> mparillo: fancy writing a 4.9.3 announcement? Just so we have something ready if they still want to release it today.
[16:27] <mparillo> I will do my usual...draft without publishing.
[16:27] <yofel> perfect
[16:27] <yofel> thanks :)
[16:34]  * yofel is out in town for a while - bbl
[16:43] <tsdgeos> yofel: mparillo: it is out
[16:44] <mparillo> News Item created. Now I suppose I should review it ;-)
[16:45] <mparillo> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kde-plasma-applications-and-platform-493
[16:47] <mparillo> It is out there on the regularsite and the links are all valid. http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-plasma-applications-and-platform-493
[16:47] <mparillo> I assume it is good for 12.04 and 12.10. I omitted 13.04 as there were only a couple of ISOs up so far.
[16:58] <shadeslayer> fwiw I'm uploading kdevelop 4.4.1 to raring
[17:59]  * Mamarok eagerly awaits package to show up
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: KDevelop?
[18:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: no, kde 4.9.3
[18:12] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[18:41] <mparillo> exit
[18:49] <Tm_T> hm, it's out? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-plasma-applications-and-platform-493
[18:50] <mparillo> Tim_T, tsdgeos said it was at 1643, but I wonder if 4.9.3 the default for raring? I just did a sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:51] <mparillo> And I am still at 4.9.2,
[18:54] <Tm_T> who is Tim? (:
[18:54] <Tm_T> mparillo: see the blogpost, you don't get it from standard sources
[18:54] <Tm_T> blog/news/etc
[18:55] <mparillo> Tm_T: Right, and that is what I would expect for 12.04 and 12.10, but not what I would expect for 13.04
[18:56] <mparillo> I left 13.04 off the news item because I did not want to call attention to it until there were mor than just two ISO images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[19:01] <mparillo> And sorry about the Tim. In Quassel, a nice-to-have would be able to right-click on nick in the main window, and have it start your message with nick:
[19:02] <Tm_T> mparillo: you can tabfill (:
[19:02] <Tm_T> but yeah, I suppose packages aren't uploaded yet to Raring, as they go first to -proposed
[19:03] <Tm_T> (or is that not the case with KDE packages?)
[19:04] <mparillo> tabfill kde quassel does not yeild much in google. And the Help menu in Quassel is pretty bare.
[19:10] <Tm_T> mparillo: hit tabulator (the key with |<- ->| symbols, above capslock usually) and it should fill the rest
[19:10] <Tm_T> for example "mpari<tab>" will produce "mparillo:"
[19:12] <mparillo> Tm_T: Wow, that is a very nice feature. I would start to write, 'Shame it is not documented', but Riddell is probably lurking to suggest that I write the Quassel docs. And a tab with no typing gives your nick (probably because you were the last to post). 
[19:15] <Tm_T> mparillo: I believe it is documented
[19:16] <Tm_T> mparillo: same tabfilling works in bash, just try "sud<tab> apt-g<tab> ins<tab> kde-fu<tab>"
[19:16] <Tm_T> I rarely search packages nowadays other than via tabfilling (:
[19:17]  * BluesKaj is lazy ..uses aliases for apt-get
[19:17] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: I use wajig
[19:17] <BluesKaj> and that no password in the sudoers file
[19:18] <Tm_T> well, that's something I would never do
[19:18] <BluesKaj> I'm a home user , so it's pretty secure
[19:19] <BluesKaj> not for logins of course 
[19:19] <Tm_T> yeah, it's fine on single-user environment (:
[19:19] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, what's wajig?
[19:19] <Tm_T> !info wajig
[19:20] <Tm_T> basicly it's a frontend for apt and friends
[19:35] <yofel> meh, just missed mparillo
[19:37] <yofel> unpublished
[19:37] <yofel> ok, now to actually release stuff
[19:38] <yofel> hm, first dinner, then release.
[19:58] <yofel> copy script running and l10n uploading
[20:16] <yofel> huh, building kde-l10n now also builds the corresponding langpack packages o.O
[20:17] <yofel> bah, build in 2h -.-
[20:18]  * yofel says hi from his new n7 in the meanwhile :D
[20:18] <apachelogger> welcome n7
[20:18]  * apachelogger has no idea what a n7 is
[20:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: google n7
[20:19] <kubotu> no results found for n7
[20:19] <yofel> nexus 7
[20:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: umad?
[20:19] <apachelogger> yofel: ah
[20:20] <yofel> now let's try this archive upload script
[20:28] <yofel> hm, python-keyring is utterly broken on my server -.-
[20:33] <yofel> debfx: what's pull-ppa-source btw.?
[20:36] <debfx> yofel: a script in kubuntu-dev-tools that downloads packages from PPAs
[20:37] <yofel> debfx: ah right
[20:37]  * yofel found a bug in his apt pin setup -.-
[20:38] <debfx> there is a small problem with that script though: it stores the package files in the local launchpad lib
[20:39] <debfx> (a side effect of supporting private PPAs)
[20:40] <yofel> well, I have bigger problems right now. (could be because I'm running raring): http://paste.kde.org/598460
[20:42] <debfx> looks like wrong parameter order
[20:45] <debfx> does it work when you replace subprocess.check_call(["pull-ninjas-source", "-d", package, release]) with subprocess.check_call(["pull-ppa-source", "-d", "kubuntu-ninjas/ppa", package, release])
[20:45] <debfx> ?
[20:45] <yofel> it seems you changed the semantics?
[20:45] <yofel> usage: pull-ppa-source [-h] [-d] ppa package release
[20:45] <yofel> subprocess.check_call(["pull-ninjas-source", "-d", package, release])
[20:45] <yofel> heh, trying
[20:46] <yofel> debfx: pull-ppa-source: error: unrecognized arguments: raring
[20:50] <debfx> yofel: what does pull-ppa-source --help say?
[20:50] <debfx> isn't release under "positional arguments"?
[20:50] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/598478
[20:50] <yofel> it is
[20:52] <debfx> "bin/pull-ppa-source -d kubuntu-ninjas/ppa analitza raring" works for me so I declare it a bug in raring :P
[20:52] <yofel> funny enough, *that* works here too
[20:53]  * yofel tries again
[20:53] <yofel> debfx: BUT
[20:54] <yofel> $ pull-ninjas-source -d kubuntu-ninjas/ppa analitza raring
[20:54] <yofel> usage: pull-ppa-source [-h] [-d] ppa package release
[20:54] <yofel> pull-ppa-source: error: unrecognized arguments: raring
[20:54] <yofel> so, pull-ppa-source works, pull-ninjas-source doesn't
[20:54] <yofel> wait
[20:54] <yofel> -.-
[20:54]  * yofel needs some coffee
[20:54] <yofel> ok, let's try *again*
[20:55] <yofel> debfx: works now, thanks for the help
[20:56] <debfx> it shouldn't matter where you put the "-d"
[20:56] <yofel> nono, look at the command I was running
[20:57] <yofel> hm, you have a point about -d though
[20:58] <debfx> ah right, but why did it fail in kubuntu-archive-upload
[20:59] <yofel> I'm wondering about that too, "pull-ppa-source kubuntu-ninjas/ppa -d analitza raring" works fine...
[21:00] <yofel> [21:00] <yofel> wth
[21:01] <yofel> meh, that needs an override prompt :/
[21:16] <debfx> yeah the scripts need many improvements
[21:17] <yofel> I've made initial upload a bit more resistent to errors, but the scripts are nice in general. good work :)
[21:58] <yofel> unity is kinda nice indeed on a tablet
[22:04] <mparillo> yofel: Sorry I misunderstood tsdgeos' comment, "yofel: mparillo: it is out"
[22:05] <yofel> no problem, happens
[22:34] <yofel> apachelogger: does the kate patch you restored mean that we can drop the one from calligra? (that patches the text/plain MIME support out)
[23:47] <mparillo> apachelogger: Thanks for fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1062086
[23:48] <mparillo> One less papercut.