=== Duke_ is now known as GeckoWW === Duke_ is now known as GeckoWW [01:28] Help I could use help. I had a bug loading Lubuntu 12.10 on my ubuntu 10.10 [03:47] salve...mi domando se è possibile installare lubuntu senza essere connessi [03:48] ho provato svariate volte e in modalità diverse [03:48] ma nulla da fare === philballew_ is now known as philballew === cdoublejj_ is now known as cdoublejj [14:52] has anyone successfully upgraded to 12.10 from a in place 12.04 installation? i have not tried. every time i have tried that in the past things go to hell in a gold plated basket. i just have barely gotten this 12.04 box to my liking and would like to avoid a clean install if possible. [14:58] phiscribe: i had an ubuntustudio upgrade work [14:59] phiscribe: i would just run 12.04 [14:59] i only do upgrades to test.. i find it much easier/faster/more-successful to just fresh install [15:00] some stuff isnt getting into back ports, which leads to the yellow brick road of PPA's all over the place, (not the wonderful wizard) [15:00] phiscribe: would you like information on backkporting? [15:03] clean install is great for getting started. i got stuff i dont wanna have to redo on this system. application settings windows sizes positions podcasts notes. i normal clean install too. but just this time its more dreadful [15:04] i would just back up my data, as i would anyway, and then copy the /home... or consider something like ubuntuone for sync [15:05] even that is dreadful. i want to use it not service it. i guess ill just keep 12.04 and go with ppa's till it all breaks [15:06] well, you need to have your data backedup anyway.. i usually just use it as an excuse to test my backups [15:06] some stuff cant be backuped easily or i dont know how, or it will take a 4 hour tutorial. like how to keep all the chat rooms in irc in my client when i clean install [15:06] imagine the hard driver died, as it will... and that is what you are recovering from [15:06] its not data so much as personization, like a nice comfy shirt [15:07] phiscribe: i literally just copy the /home [15:07] phiscribe: the .config and other settings are there [15:07] phiscribe: if you have changed global settings, go and grab those too [15:07] phiscribe: they are usually text files, and shouldnt take long to find and copy [15:08] and they dont always work from applicaiton vesion 1 to version 1.1 [15:08] for 50 apps [15:08] phiscribe: i find they typically do alright.. just like when you upgrade the app from the repos [15:08] each one with its own idiosyncratic oddities, so much hassle [15:09] phiscribe: each application is allowed to use the config.. and the dev's try to keep it clean that way [15:09] phiscribe: if you would like to try and have specific issues, those can be discussed [15:09] ive had often after a new distro release that the config will cause the app not to start or be buggy. then you spend 2 hours figuring out why, or delete it and do a realy clean install [15:10] phiscribe: which app? which version? [15:10] phiscribe: what is the bug#? [15:11] lots of users just keep a dedicated seperate /home and never format that... share it between distros or whatever [15:11] broswers music apps office stuff im not talking specifics, just that the approach of keeping the old config file often fails, very often. i suppose because the apps and the way they use the config files change with new versions. [15:11] phiscribe: i would need specifics to be constructive [15:11] the whole point is to avoid any of that and just use the thing [15:12] phiscribe: it hasnt often failed for me though [15:12] phiscribe: i would just use the 12.04.. i still have 10.04 on my audio production machine [15:12] pulseaudio comes to mind rapidly [15:12] lubuntu doesnt ship with pulse [15:12] as most of the apps i use dont either [15:13] i have systems that are using pulse and using alsa only.. sometiems i have issues both places... [15:14] i don know how we tured donw this alley. i was just wondering if anyone had tried the inplace 12.04 to 12.10 yet and got it to work. i somtimes use the nickname cleaninstall. i know it is like industrial strength liquid plumber. but this time, i just dont have the heart. [15:14] phiscribe: it worked fine for me,and the QA tests on upgrades worked fine [15:15] i may ry that then :) [15:15] try [15:15] OH.. i thought it was failing for you? [15:15] phiscribe: you havent tried it yet?.. [15:15] if it works, maybe ill knock on wood and try my kubuntu 12.04 box [15:15] i *always* try the live CD first anyways [15:15] no not yet, was putting a toe in the water [15:16] i still find it faster and easier to just fresh install.. but there are issues both ways [15:17] such and upgrade in other distros for and in place upgrade has wrecked havoc in the past. but it is something i really wish worked better. often it was some kde thing so maybe lxde will go better [15:17] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is an easy way to make your upgrades or tests count... [15:17] phiscribe: can always be a hardware support issue [15:18] i havent had any havoc wrecked on me that i didnt feel like i had caused... or incorrectly implemented.. upgrades can break things.. a kernel upgrade can break support [15:20] should i do it from the command line or run update-manager -d [15:20] what do i do?. like i said, i use it as a chance to restore from backups.. when that hard drive you are using fails, then you will lose all the customization. might as well implement something now to safely restore settings [15:20] phiscribe: i would do it however you are most comfortable [15:20] ok ill give it whirl [15:24] too late to turn back now hehe. thanks for chatting [15:36] like i said, i *always* try the live CD, to see about hardware support [15:37] but, you'll probably be fine... i just dont like "probably".. i like to see the kernel running on the actual hardware, and run lspci and see that the network devices are working and sound... and if not, see how much of a pain it could be to get it running [15:37] one could upgrade from one version to the next, and lose support for a key piece of hardware that would break functionality.. and i think that is misinterpreted as an upgrade issue [15:38] all the packages get upgrades just as they should, and if those new packages dont support that hardware, that is not an issue with the upgrade, thats a compatibilty issue [15:39] its not ideal, nor consoling after you wait 7 hours on an upgrade, and the destop doesnt boot.. or you get kernel panics... but still, i dont see that as an issue with the upgrade process [15:39] well hopefully that wont happen. worst case i go back to 12.04. but i think ill be all right. no wifi. no fancy stuff [15:40] thats why i usually just have a good backup scenario, and fresh install..after trying the live CD. i find best case scenario, after a 5+hour upgrade process, maybe everything is mostly OK [15:40] just an old box next to my other machine for streaming stuff mostly. news vids music [15:40] an install takes 8 minutes [15:41] backing it up and restoring takes almost as long as just reconfiguring, at least it can. but ive already took the red pill its instaling [15:41] i would say, it takes me less than 30 minutes now [15:42] depending on the size backup media, clonezilla clones are pretty fast as well [16:10] lol not 8 minutes here [16:12] more like 85. p4 1g [16:47] just finished and rebooted all seems well :) === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [18:31] hello [18:31] Will Lubuntu work with 512 mb ram? [18:32] 2.1 ghz computer? [18:32] NVIIDA fx 520 [18:32] 529 [18:32] fx5299 [18:32] fx5200 [18:34] yes [18:34] How well? [18:34] 2.1 ghz single core [18:35] 512 mb ram [18:35] NVIDIA fx5200 [18:35] I have 2.4 [18:35] icicle: You just said this. Try it and see if it works well enough for you. [18:35] single core? [18:35] video card i don't know [18:36] Unit193 I have a kernel panic [18:36] say that:panic occurred,swithcing back to text console [18:36] i used lubuntu on Celeron 2.0 GHz with the same GFX card and amount of ram but it was 2 years ago. I guess it should work without problem [18:37] and than find in the log dmsg this:init: failsafe main process (675) killed by TERM signal [18:38] icicle if lubuntu freeze update kernel version [18:38] what about iT? [18:39] szczur: How fast was it? [18:39] Unit193 u can help me? [18:39] it worked well for internet browsing [18:40] you can forget of course about 720p on YT [18:40] but otherwise it worked flawlessly [18:41] i talk of course about experience from 2 years ago [18:41] so it could change a little [18:42] szczur u have kernel panic with lubuntu? [18:43] searching: I'd find what the exact messages are and search the forums, or askbuntu for them. [18:43] i don't use lubuntu now [18:43] I had searched but don't know how to fix [18:50] alt+ctrl+f1 not working [19:16] can anyone successfully install ckpt on a modern version of lubuntu? [19:59] hi [21:29] Hello people! I have been running Chromium and Aurora/Firefox in low memory environments. Aurora is much better att handling low memory. Chromium runs out and starts dumping tabs, you get "it's dead Jim!"-notices. While I am a huge Star Trek fan i prefer my browsing undead. [21:30] If anyone finds it worth considering, please consider changing to Firefox as default browser [21:30] It's dead jim is just dumping a tab from any website and showing an error message until you reload [21:30] Aurora handles the same sites fine [21:31] This is all of course with lubuntu 12.10 [21:33] The reason is most leikely due to Chromium being run in multiple instances, a single one for each tab, the os starts dumping the inactive instances/tabs. While aurora remains in memory [21:33] And working fine [21:34] And I do want to thank the community for the lovely Lubuntu distro, great work people. Loving it!