[01:28] <gunta5> Help I could use help. I had a bug loading Lubuntu 12.10 on my ubuntu 10.10
[03:47] <lubuntamente> salve...mi domando se è possibile installare lubuntu senza essere connessi
[03:48] <lubuntamente> ho provato svariate volte e in modalità diverse
[03:48] <lubuntamente> ma nulla da fare
[14:52] <phiscribe> has anyone successfully upgraded to 12.10 from a in place 12.04 installation?  i have not tried.  every time i have tried that in the past things go to hell in a gold plated basket. i just have barely gotten this 12.04 box to my liking and would like to avoid a clean install if possible.
[14:58] <holstein> phiscribe: i had an ubuntustudio upgrade work
[14:59] <holstein> phiscribe: i would just run 12.04
[14:59] <holstein> i only do upgrades to test.. i find it much easier/faster/more-successful to just fresh install
[15:00] <phiscribe> some stuff isnt getting into back ports, which leads to the yellow brick road of PPA's all over the place, (not the wonderful wizard)
[15:00] <holstein> phiscribe: would you like information on backkporting?
[15:03] <phiscribe> clean install is great for getting started.  i got stuff i dont wanna have to redo on this system.  application settings windows sizes positions podcasts notes.  i normal clean install too.  but just this time its more dreadful
[15:04] <holstein> i would just back up my data, as i would anyway, and then copy the /home... or consider something like ubuntuone for sync
[15:05] <phiscribe> even that is dreadful.  i want to use it not service it. i guess ill just keep 12.04 and go with ppa's till it all breaks
[15:06] <holstein> well, you need to have your data backedup anyway.. i usually just use it as an excuse to test my backups
[15:06] <phiscribe> some stuff cant be backuped easily or i dont know how, or it will take a 4 hour tutorial.  like how to keep all the chat rooms in irc in my client when i clean install
[15:06] <holstein> imagine the hard driver died, as it will... and that is what you are recovering from
[15:06] <phiscribe> its not data so much as personization, like a nice comfy shirt
[15:07] <holstein> phiscribe: i literally just copy the /home
[15:07] <holstein> phiscribe: the .config and other settings are there
[15:07] <holstein> phiscribe: if you have changed global settings, go and grab those too
[15:07] <holstein> phiscribe: they are usually text files, and shouldnt take long to find and copy
[15:08] <phiscribe> and they dont always work from applicaiton vesion 1 to version 1.1
[15:08] <phiscribe> for 50 apps
[15:08] <holstein> phiscribe: i find they typically do alright.. just like when you upgrade the app from the repos
[15:08] <phiscribe> each one with its own idiosyncratic oddities, so much hassle
[15:09] <holstein> phiscribe: each application is allowed to use the config.. and the dev's try to keep it clean that way
[15:09] <holstein> phiscribe: if you would like to try and have specific issues, those can be discussed
[15:09] <phiscribe> ive had often after a new distro release that the config will cause the app not to start or be buggy.  then you spend 2 hours figuring out why, or delete it and do a realy clean install
[15:10] <holstein> phiscribe: which app? which version?
[15:10] <holstein> phiscribe: what is the bug#?
[15:11] <holstein> lots of users just keep a dedicated seperate /home and never format that... share it between distros or whatever
[15:11] <phiscribe> broswers music apps office stuff im not talking specifics, just that the approach of keeping the old config file often fails, very often.  i suppose because the apps and the way they use the config files change with new versions.
[15:11] <holstein> phiscribe: i would need specifics to be constructive
[15:11] <phiscribe> the whole point is to avoid any of that and just use the thing
[15:12] <holstein> phiscribe: it hasnt often failed for me though
[15:12] <holstein> phiscribe: i would just use the 12.04.. i still have 10.04 on my audio production machine
[15:12] <phiscribe> pulseaudio comes to mind rapidly
[15:12] <holstein> lubuntu doesnt ship with pulse
[15:12] <phiscribe> as most of the apps i use dont either
[15:13] <holstein> i have systems that are using pulse and using alsa only.. sometiems i have issues both places...
[15:14] <phiscribe> i don know how we tured donw this alley.  i was just wondering if anyone had tried the inplace 12.04 to 12.10 yet and got it to work.  i somtimes use the nickname cleaninstall.  i know it is like industrial strength liquid plumber.  but this time, i just dont have the heart.
[15:14] <holstein> phiscribe: it worked fine for me,and the QA tests on upgrades worked fine
[15:15] <phiscribe> i may ry that then :)
[15:15] <phiscribe> try
[15:15] <holstein> OH.. i thought it was failing for you?
[15:15] <holstein> phiscribe: you havent tried it yet?..
[15:15] <phiscribe> if it works, maybe ill knock on wood and try my kubuntu 12.04 box
[15:15] <holstein> i *always* try the live CD first anyways
[15:15] <phiscribe> no not yet, was putting a toe in the water
[15:16] <holstein> i still find it faster and easier to just fresh install.. but there are issues both ways
[15:17] <phiscribe> such and upgrade in other distros for and in place upgrade has wrecked havoc in the past.  but it is something i really wish worked better.  often it was some kde thing so maybe lxde will go better
[15:17] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is an easy way to make your upgrades or tests count...
[15:17] <holstein> phiscribe: can always be a hardware support issue
[15:18] <holstein> i havent had any havoc wrecked on me that i didnt feel like i had caused... or incorrectly implemented.. upgrades can break things.. a kernel upgrade can break support
[15:20] <phiscribe> should i do it from the command line or run update-manager -d
[15:20] <holstein> what do i do?. like i said, i use it as a chance to restore from backups.. when that hard drive you are using fails, then you will lose all the customization. might as well implement something now to safely restore settings
[15:20] <holstein> phiscribe: i would do it however you are most comfortable
[15:20] <phiscribe> ok ill give it whirl
[15:24] <phiscribe> too late to turn back now hehe.  thanks for chatting
[15:36] <holstein> like i said, i *always* try the live CD, to see about hardware support
[15:37] <holstein> but, you'll probably be fine... i just dont like "probably".. i like to see the kernel running on the actual hardware, and run lspci and see that the network devices are working and sound... and if not, see how much of a pain it could be to get it running
[15:37] <holstein> one could upgrade from one version to the next, and lose support for a key piece of hardware that would break functionality.. and i think that is misinterpreted as an upgrade issue
[15:38] <holstein> all the packages get upgrades just as they should, and if those new packages dont support that hardware, that is not an issue with the upgrade, thats a compatibilty issue
[15:39] <holstein> its not ideal, nor consoling after you wait 7 hours on an upgrade, and the destop doesnt boot.. or you get kernel panics... but still, i dont see that as an issue with the upgrade process
[15:39] <phiscribe> well hopefully that wont happen.  worst case i go back to 12.04.  but i think ill be all right.  no wifi.  no fancy stuff
[15:40] <holstein> thats why i usually just have a good backup scenario, and fresh install..after trying the live CD. i find best case scenario, after a 5+hour upgrade process, maybe everything is mostly OK
[15:40] <phiscribe> just an old box next to my other machine for streaming stuff mostly.  news vids music
[15:40] <holstein> an install takes 8 minutes
[15:41] <phiscribe> backing it up and restoring takes almost as long as just reconfiguring, at least it can.  but ive already took the red pill its instaling
[15:41] <holstein> i would say, it takes me less than 30 minutes now
[15:42] <holstein> depending on the size backup media, clonezilla clones are pretty fast as well
[16:10] <phiscribe> lol not 8 minutes here
[16:12] <phiscribe> more like 85. p4 1g
[16:47] <phiscribe> just finished and rebooted all seems well :)
[18:31] <icicle> hello
[18:31] <icicle> Will Lubuntu work with 512 mb ram?
[18:32] <icicle> 2.1 ghz computer?
[18:32] <icicle> NVIIDA fx 520
[18:32] <icicle> 529
[18:32] <icicle> fx5299
[18:32] <icicle> fx5200
[18:34] <searching> yes
[18:34] <icicle> How well?
[18:34] <icicle> 2.1 ghz single core
[18:35] <icicle> 512 mb ram
[18:35] <icicle> NVIDIA fx5200
[18:35] <searching> I have 2.4
[18:35] <Unit193> icicle: You just said this.  Try it and see if it works well enough for you.
[18:35] <icicle> single core?
[18:35] <searching> video card i don't know
[18:36] <searching> Unit193 I have a kernel panic
[18:36] <searching> say that:panic occurred,swithcing back to text console
[18:36] <szczur> i used lubuntu on Celeron 2.0 GHz with the same GFX card and amount of ram but it was 2 years ago. I guess it should work without problem
[18:37] <searching> and than find in the log dmsg this:init: failsafe main process (675) killed by TERM signal
[18:38] <searching> icicle if lubuntu freeze update kernel version
[18:38] <icicle> what about iT?
[18:39] <icicle> szczur:  How fast was it?
[18:39] <searching> Unit193 u can help me?
[18:39] <szczur> it worked well for internet browsing
[18:40] <szczur> you can forget of course about 720p on YT
[18:40] <szczur> but otherwise it worked flawlessly
[18:41] <szczur> i talk of course about experience from 2 years ago
[18:41] <szczur> so it could change a little
[18:42] <searching> szczur u have kernel panic with lubuntu?
[18:43] <Unit193> searching: I'd find what the exact messages are and search the forums, or askbuntu for them.
[18:43] <szczur> i don't use lubuntu now
[18:43] <searching> I had searched but don't know how to fix
[18:50] <searching> alt+ctrl+f1 not working
[19:16] <adamgolding> can anyone successfully install ckpt on a modern version of lubuntu?
[19:59] <leszek> hi
[21:29] <fomg-optimize> Hello people! I have been running Chromium and Aurora/Firefox in low memory environments. Aurora is much better att handling low memory. Chromium runs out and starts dumping tabs, you get "it's dead Jim!"-notices. While I am a huge Star Trek fan i prefer my browsing undead.
[21:30] <fomg-optimize> If anyone finds it worth considering, please consider changing to Firefox as default browser
[21:30] <fomg-optimize> It's dead jim is just dumping a tab from any website and showing an error message until you reload
[21:30] <fomg-optimize> Aurora handles the same sites fine
[21:31] <fomg-optimize> This is all of course with lubuntu 12.10
[21:33] <fomg-optimize> The reason is most leikely due to Chromium being run in multiple instances, a single one for each tab, the os starts dumping the inactive instances/tabs. While aurora remains in memory
[21:33] <fomg-optimize> And working fine
[21:34] <fomg-optimize> And I do want to thank the community for the lovely Lubuntu distro, great work people. Loving it!