[00:01] huh? [00:01] the only way I know of to get the IDs is from the export for the sprint [00:09] cjohnston: when I put the spec url, it doesn't display the icon [00:09] I'm using http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~joseeantonior/summit/1073635-fix/revision/476 [00:17] JoseeAntonioR: the BP ID is an integer [00:17] try agenda.meeting.spec_url [00:23] let's try [00:26] it works! [00:27] doing MP now [00:31] cjohnston: yeah it appears my account may have been compromised that or a linked app [00:31] cjohnston: passwords being changed and revoking all apps [00:33] mhall119: might you have a screenshot? oddly its not showing in my message history [00:35] bkerensa: http://ubuntuone.com/2OE31TiK19A7PyHe9HH2XZ [00:36] mhall119: thanks yeah I was out for lunch and got a bunch of pitchfork folk :) [00:36] no idea but all my account passwords are changed [00:36] 123456 doesn't work anymore [00:36] shit [00:37] cjohnston: :) I use very strong passwords unique to every site and change them semi-annually [00:37] * snap-l now has to change his luiggage [00:37] the warning icon says "Unable to confirm Benjamin Kerensa as the sender", so I'm assuming it's an app [00:37] mhall119: ahh thanks [00:37] see [00:37] I didnt think it could possibly be my account [00:37] revoking all apps for good practice :P [00:38] Yeah, the whole Twitter / Facebook apps ecology is ripe for bad things to happen [00:38] sorry, but I don't need to give your company access to my account to speak on my behalf. [00:38] I get in enough trouble with two hands and a keyboard, thankyouverymuch [00:39] (Sometimes even one hand and a sandwich) [00:39] :D [01:39] mhall119 / cjohnston: thanks for letting me know :) the situation should now be mitigated [01:39] 918 clicks later [01:39] ;p [03:23] jcastro_: do you have an estimate of how much traffic does ubuntuonair.com generates? IS is asking for that info === jrgifford_away is now known as jrgifford [05:17] JoseeAntonioR: I can tell u one sec [05:20] bkerensa: thanks [05:21] JoseeAntonioR: per month? [05:21] yep [05:22] JoseeAntonioR: Oct: 2,704 Pageviews and Sept 6,491 pageviews [05:22] so [05:22] not that much [05:22] Sept was the highest month [05:22] any estimate in kb? [05:22] what? [05:22] is this for hosting? [05:22] yes [05:26] my vps hosting is like 4 dollars a month [05:29] my vps hosting is free [05:30] from that free thing? [05:30] I use that to [05:31] I use OVH [05:34] yeah, there free for me to [05:34] I also use linode [05:34] I was with bkerensa and they saw his arm art, hooked me up as well. [05:35] philballew: one of Linode's main guys is from Oregon [05:35] :) [05:35] plenty of them are Ubuntu Users too [05:36] ah, its a nice system. I am about to use that go daddy thing you gave me 2 weeks ago bkerensa [05:37] hope it still works [06:55] JoseeAntonioR: Google does not yet support the Yubikey natively [07:01] i keep hearing about the yubikey. Seems nice === philballew_ is now known as philballew [07:16] bkerensa, the go daddy deal you sent me is no good. do you know where I can look for different ones? [07:16] philballew: it expired? [07:16] idk let me look [07:17] bkerensa, the website said it did. [07:17] I can try again, but thats what they said [07:18] philballew: https://www.godaddy.com/?isc=gofbh005 [07:18] you should see a offer ad at the top of the site [07:18] just click that [07:18] should be $1.99 per year [07:19] notably though Godaddy sucks ;P [07:20] its true, but all I wanna do is set up a wp site [07:20] for s single vps, nothing fancy with juju or anything cloud related [07:20] I never have anyone visit my blog [07:22] maybe I need cool articles like b [07:22] bkerensa, ... [07:26] bkerensa, order went through. Thanks. [07:26] * philballew has never owned a domain before and has no idea what to do now [07:26] oh the feeling of confusion... [07:31] praise jeebus :P [07:31] That's from the Simpson's! [07:42] good morning [07:42] morning dholbach [07:43] hi philballew [07:47] morning dholbach [07:47] hi elfy [08:41] dholbach: :) good way to start your first commit as a co-maintainer is to blow up the branch ;p [08:41] :s [08:41] I do not like svn [08:42] bkerensa, good luck :) [08:42] don't worry bkerensa I dont even have a branch to mess up [08:46] branches should be on trees ... [08:57] elfy: how could we have warm fires then? [08:57] :D [09:12] fires ? I just put 20 jumpers on ;) [09:12] it's not that cold [09:13] it certainly isn't :) just a bit parky down here [09:25] dholbach, whens a good time to go over those videos? [09:26] philballew, I haven't yet started to put together scripts for the videos [09:26] no hurry dholbach [09:26] but I can ping you when I have if that's alright? [09:27] Yeah, ping me whenever you do that. From the uds session it appears I am doing the non technical planning got these things and just figured I can meet whenever. [09:27] awesome [09:27] sweet! [09:48] huats, czajkowski: can we do something to make Prince Matthew feel welcome to contribute to the LoCo space? [09:48] huats, czajkowski: maybe coolbhavi could have a call with the guy? [09:49] dholbach: morning [09:49] hey czajkowski [09:49] yes the indian loco is something we've bene discussing for many months [09:50] there are a few locos in similar circumstances, and coolbhavi said he would talk to the team contact [09:50] it feels to me like everybody dog-piles on the poor guy for not following the rules when all he did was offer help (but admittedly may have some catching up to do) [09:50] nods [09:50] it is difficult to see the line between a translation team and a loco team at times [09:51] shall poke coolbhavi and see if he can talk to him [09:51] thanks czajkowski [09:51] np [09:51] I wasn't picking on you right now [09:51] I replied once this morning , but tend to colapse non work mail during the day as it gets distracting [09:51] it's just that it'd be nice if we as a community saw the opportunity as opposed to "the problem" when somebody talked to us [09:51] dholbach: I know you weren't :) [10:47] mornin [10:53] hi cjohnston [11:01] cjohnston: your bug on timeouts on LP, were you doing anything in particular, cannot get it to do it at all in the last 4 hours. [11:01] :-( [11:01] just trying to visit the page to see the BPs [11:02] working fine all day [11:02] eveyrone that has tried it as well had no issue [11:02] hmm [11:02] goes back to bugs [11:02] Error ID: OOPS-d3ac9191d5a68c55af994c265fb45d23 <-- just got it czajkowski [11:03] yeah I got the ops [11:03] just cannt recreate it here at all [11:03] but an oops is an oops [11:03] it's a bug [11:03] ok [11:04] but find it hard to duplicate [11:04] ty [11:05] cjohnston: I'm guessing you don't have a django_session table [11:06] err. [11:06] * nigelb switches to PM [11:24] czajkowski: Hey, do you have a few minutes to chat? [11:24] Or should I email you? [11:24] nigelb: eh not really just heading out and into the office [11:24] I'll email you [11:24] can you pm me and I'll get back to you or emaik [11:24] *email [11:24] sorry === alourie is now known as alourie_away [12:25] AlanBell, czajkowski so what's the plan for fixing the etherpad so people can see it? [12:25] there's nothing on the remote participation page which details how one gets access [12:27] the plan is that I would love some help with it [12:28] well, simply documenting what people need to do is a good start I think? [12:29] AlanBell: what do you need help with? [12:29] Also, did you see ethercalc? [12:29] Same principle as etherpad but spreadsheet. [12:38] can somebody add the dates to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-irc-workshops? didn't we agree on them in the session? [12:50] bug #1075539 [12:50] Launchpad bug 1075539 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lack of privacy when changing session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1075539 [12:51] daker, thats a dupe i think [12:51] * popey looks for it [12:53] bug 390989 perhaps [12:53] Launchpad bug 390989 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "[SecurityRoadmap] Locked screen shows the desktop" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390989 [12:53] happens surprisingly often [12:53] thanks popey [13:38] popey: most people will just have access already, if they are in any reasonable launchpad group (like a loco team) [13:38] if they don't have access the error message should tell them what to do (and that does work because we get requests from people to join the group) [13:39] and, if we get it fixed right for next time the whole problem goes away [13:39] the error doesnt tell them anything [13:39] i tried with a new launchpad account [13:39] how do they all end up applying for the group then? [13:40] It doesn't, and other than being told about it, I don't know [13:40] no, imagine the workflow of starting at summit.ubuntu.com -> uds -> find a session, click it [13:40] it certainly used to be fairly informative [13:40] then login to LP, login to SSO [13:40] then you get an obtuse SSO error [13:40] People tell them to sign up. [13:40] ok, well that is crap then, but can't be fixed except by the people who run that reverse proxy sso thing [13:40] so we need to get rid of all that [13:40] nigelb, "people"? [13:41] popey: They ask around [13:41] no, they dont [13:41] That's what someone I talked to told me. [13:41] thats not scalable [13:41] Of course not. [13:41] they are sat at home and trying to participate and cant [13:41] popey: I'm agreeing with you. [13:41] ok [13:41] the reverse proxy sso is fundamentally broken, it was shoved in place because some journalist linked directly to a pad and then it got vandalised [13:42] sure [13:42] it's primary purpose is to make it slightly hard to get access [13:42] i know why it all exists, just trying to find a better solution than an obtuse sso message [13:42] however we need to have live read only pads [13:42] because that is the way to get rid of the sso [13:42] https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite/wiki/HTTP-API [13:43] Can we do this? [13:43] If someone is logged into summit and member of the right team -> show them the pad. [13:43] is the API that could allow summit to generate secured pads, and etherpad needs a bit of hacking to have a "show live read only pad" to other people [13:43] I have had that bit working [13:43] If logged and not member of the right team -> show readonly version but with warning on how to show read only. [13:43] my inbox went a bit mental monday and tuesday with requests to join [13:43] sure, this can be done [13:44] it would indeed be nice to have RO version of the page to anyone/everyone, logged in or not [13:44] yes indeed [13:44] agreed. [13:44] but that is $work someone has to do [13:44] yup [13:44] o/ [13:45] the initial fix is to document it [13:45] because right now the process isn't documented anywhere [13:45] is documenting on summit, enough? [13:45] well, its not on the "remote participation" page which surprised me [13:45] Aha. [13:45] I don't want to show on summit to every person "join this team" [13:45] which people could be linked to [13:46] why? its a restricted team isnt it? [13:46] cjohnston: You only have to show to people who are not logged in. [13:46] And people who are not members of the team. [13:46] nigelb: summit doesnt know if people are logged into the etherpad [13:46] cjohnston: logged in to summit. [13:46] http://uds.ubuntu.com/community/remote-participation/ is in the wordpress instance I think [13:46] AlanBell: it is [13:47] nigelb: there are people who are logged into summit who dont have acess [13:47] yes, thats the page that has no detail about it [13:47] so, someone could update that for the benefit of people looking back at uds-r [13:47] cjohnston: surely it's niec to show people how to get involved, rather than people being locked out [13:47] as soon as I sent the mail going you need to join this team I had 20 mails asking to join [13:47] it will clutter up an already cluttered page [13:47] we should be putting this info out there [13:47] im not saying it shouldnt be out there [13:48] cjohnston: summit is a community site, so surely we get a say on what goes on it [13:48] * AlanBell agrees with cjohnston [13:48] this is throwaway code [13:48] czajkowski: UDS isnt the only thing that uses summit [13:48] lets do it properly [13:48] cjohnston: it's the largest group by far [13:48] it would be great if someone with access to the wordpress site updates it [13:49] AlanBell: I believe its in a bzr branch [13:49] and it would be great if we can get the problem solved for uds-s [13:51] another fix would be to modify the SSO code to explain why a user isnt able to access something... which would be a better global fix because it would work for anything that uses SSO... 'you cant access site X because you aren't a member of team Y' [13:51] i fear that wont be easy [13:51] it could reveal stuff it shouldn't [13:52] sso isn't open source is it? [13:52] it is [13:52] I've patched it. [13:52] err [13:52] "you can't access secretthing because you aren't a member of secretprojectname" [13:52] tried. [13:52] :P [13:52] well, if you found secretthing then telling you that you cant access secretthing isnt telling them something they dont know... secretteamname maybe [13:53] Nah, that's still privacy leak [13:53] but since there is private teams and private projects, SSO could be made to learn about private and not give out private info [13:57] pprivate projects is in beta! [13:57] so one thing I was trying to do was extend the summit object to add a field for the API key for an associated etherpad lite instance [13:57] so that summit could create the pads and grant access to them [13:59] AlanBell: we should work together. I know I couldn't do that the last I promised to work on this. [13:59] But let me give it a shot this cycle. [13:59] I'll have free time once I get rid of projects I have on my plate [13:59] that would be great, I was prioritising IRCC stuff last cycle [14:00] I'm not doing anything Ubuntu at the moment, and I can convince cjohnston that this is Ubuntu work ;) [14:00] and every time I went to look at Summit I had to nuke it all and reconfigure the whole thing because I was so far behind on updates [14:00] s/Ubuntu/summit/g [14:00] AlanBell: that's usually not needed. we run migrations. [14:01] yeah, I don't think I really understand those at all [14:01] Every time I look at summit, I wank to kick Keybuk :P [14:02] Actually, it's only for one bit of code. It's painfully hard to rewrite. [14:02] g32 [14:02] (grr) [14:02] BINGO! [14:10] you sunk my battleship! [14:10] Go fish. === alourie_away is now known as alourie [14:48] balloons, mhall119: hey guys - did you get a bit more sleep last night? [14:48] hey dholbach .. I slept in today [14:48] 0539 [14:49] dholbach: your mix tunes are keeping me and the cloud engineering folks wide awake today! [14:49] did someone say sleep? [14:49] ohh.. I still need to listen to dpm's mixes.. I'm two behind [14:49] jcastro_: you were dreaming, go back to bed. [14:49] * balloons puts headphones on [14:49] http://www.mixcloud.com/dholbach/cant-get-you-out-of-my-head/ [14:49] bopping head and working away! [14:50] czajkowski, thanks muchly - I got myself some more new music so in the next days I hope I'll have something presentable :) [14:50] whoooo [14:50] new tunes! [14:53] dholbach: doing better, still up before my alarm though [14:53] so dpm you can swing dance now right? [14:59] cjohnston: do blueprints need to be in a specific state to get on status.u.c? [14:59] they have to be accepted [15:00] in the "Series goal"? [15:01] yes [15:01] ok, thanks [15:01] balloons, yeah :) [15:06] mhall119: s when does voting close and counting start so we can all breath a sigh of relief that obama has been elected :) [15:06] paddy power the bookies back home has already paid out [15:07] voting starts to end at 7pm est.. I suspect either a landslide one way or the other or it not to be complete for a couple of das [15:07] days [15:08] lol, one of the two candidates will win. [15:08] that is my prediction [15:10] there are ~12 on the ballot.. not 2 [15:10] www.breakingnews.ie/world/paddy-power-pays-out-on-obama-victory-572945.html [15:11] cjohnston: like the other 10 have any chance [15:11] about £400,000 so far paid out [15:12] be funny if he doesnt win [15:12] chances are he will though :) [15:13] not brillant at all for a bookie [15:13] your supposed to not payout -- even when you have to [15:13] balloons: think the entire world wants him to win in this case so the bookies done mind paying out [15:13] there's a reason they have silly score spreads and other things.. forcing the buyer to win and jump through hoops to get paid [15:14] I don't think that is how gambling works. People always want to win, bookies don't pay out on the wants of people. [15:14] czajkowski, they will get there wish.. obameny will win [15:14] balloons: I hope so! [15:15] lol... you can't go wrong.. both major parties are the same sad song [15:15] well... [15:16] So I wonder if the bookie got a lot of money on the romney bets? [15:16] I suspect not in ireland :) [15:16] we tend to like Obama there [15:16] plenty of people want neither Obama or Romney to win, sadly they have little choice [15:16] same way we didnt like bush but loved clinton [15:17] popey, indeed.. I think the majority wants neither actually [15:17] yeah [15:18] the problem is that for >50 years the country has voted for the lesser of two evils instead of the best candidate, which will continue on today [15:18] I took a look at paddy power.. pretty odd.. you can bet on obama's electoral college votes, but not romney's :-) romney is a 4/1.. probably not many takers for them [15:18] cjohnston, indeed.. we don't vote for a canindate here [15:18] we vote against a candidate [15:18] yup [15:19] the worst part is that the two candidates are the same [15:19] popey, czajkowski so can you legllay bet on elections in the UK? [15:19] you can bet on pretty much anything [15:19] we'll they've been vocally different on some key issues. [15:19] be nice if the liberal or greens got a look in [15:19] balloons: same in .ie also [15:19] padyd power will give you odds on most things [15:19] is it considered a "gray" area to do so? Would people look down on you, etc? [15:19] at least to be in the debate [15:20] we had greens in power in .ie [15:20] doesn't seem like it at all [15:20] then they caused the country to fall, so never ever again [15:20] in the states, you wouldn't technically be allowed to bet on an election [15:21] mates have gone to paddy power and asked about odds on X they go away for a week and research things and then come back and offer a spread [15:21] like one was on a 3 year sparead over a person getting to play for ireland as he was on local level now, so they reseached his plays and scores. [15:22] ohh interesting.. betting on elections years away.. based on the "new" talent coming in [15:22] balloons: yes but in the USA, you also have stuff liek this happenign, http://url.ie/g7wf [15:22] that kids is amazing, shame she's getting bullied for her parents being two men :( [15:24] i dont think that's unique to the usa [15:25] maybe more vocal I suspect [15:25] people harassing each other over differences? nope.. sadly that's a human problem [15:25] nah, it's just a bigger country [15:25] so more of them [15:26] nods [15:30] czajkowski: the 2012 election will be over in about a week [15:30] election today, then a week of wailing and knashing of teeth [15:30] then we'll all start talking about taking back the House/Senate in the 2014 midterms [15:30] maybe the robocalls will end though mhall119 [15:31] :) [15:31] balloons: maybe, but the yard signs will be up until christmas [15:31] mhall119: you say this like there is another one .... [15:31] bah [15:31] mhall119, so true! [15:31] czajkowski: the next one starts tomorrow :) [15:31] can ye not just have a term for 7 years and suck it up for 6 please [15:31] :) [15:31] senators have 6 year terms [15:32] but 1/3 of them are up for re-election every 2 years [15:32] yes, 2 year terms are funny [15:32] most of the founders wanted 1 year terms [15:32] first year is hiring all the people who helped you win. second year is hiring new people and focusing on re-election campaign [15:33] balloons: don't be so cynical, it doesn't take that long to hire the people who helped you win [15:34] mhall119, true.. they do get to do a few things before summer break [15:35] I'm being facetious, but terms are interesting [15:35] Hamilton wanted the President elected for life [15:36] he also wanted the Senate to appoint him, rather than being directly elected [16:01] dpm, mhall119 all set? [16:01] jono, yep [16:02] setting it up [16:02] one sec [16:03] damn [16:03] google issues [16:03] one sec [16:03] jono: yup [16:07] mhall119, dpm invite sent [16:10] Happy Tuesday mhall119 [16:10] :) [16:12] better than Monday [16:13] <-- voting + lunch, bbi a few [16:26] jcastro_: +1 [16:32] I will vote after dinner... [16:42] dholbach, can you join a hangout? [16:42] dholbach, invite sent [16:42] jono, thanks - can you give me half a second? :) [16:43] dholbach, sure [16:55] cprofitt: hopefully you dont have this machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM [17:10] bkerensa, just got a call from go daddy thanking me for the domain, [17:10] I am impressed [17:12] philballew: lol [17:13] philballew: from india or scottsdale? :) [17:13] scotsdale [17:13] The number said Phoenix [17:13] yeah [17:13] thats cool I guess :) [17:14] I mean they could have patched outbound through a local # [17:50] alright my friends - dinner time over here - see you all tomorrow [19:30] My hubby just offered to have a 220 outlet put in my bathroom so I could feel like I was in Europe all the time - not real sure how I should take that [19:31] he said it was cheaper than moving to Europe so I can use the awesome hair styling appliances I found while I was in Denmark...:-/ [19:31] heh [19:32] jcastro_, your interview with Jason is AWESOME!!!! [19:33] <3 [19:33] thank you for doing that one [19:33] marcoceppi: see G+ wrt. openstack/SE thing [19:34] I'll catch up with you and the ASK/Juju/Charmers in a couple weeks on a hangout and we'll kick awesome into overdrive with that one [19:35]