[02:46] <snap-l> Evening
[02:47] <snap-l> Finishing up an interview
[10:48] <rick_h_> morning
[12:08] <snap-l> Morning
[12:08] <snap-l> going to go do my civic doodie
[12:10] <rick_h> woot
[12:10] <rick_h> going to do mine at lunch me thinks
[12:13] <rick_h> for brousch http://danielgibbs.name/fun-with-makefiles/
[12:13] <rick_h> since he's 'found makefile'
[12:14] <snap-l> nice
[12:19] <rick_h> free audio book http://audible.com/sanderson
[13:34] <rick_h> and voting done yay
[13:34] <rick_h> <3 working from home "I'll go after all the people going before work and before the lunch crowd"
[13:51] <snap-l> Yeah, my voting is done. Walked to the precinct with JoDee.
[13:52] <snap-l> Nice that it was kitty-corner to us
[13:52] <rick_h> yea, across the street here so nice close by
[13:53] <snap-l> Got to hear a guy try to hit on a lady by talking about his Celestite.
[13:53] <snap-l> I shit thee not
[13:53] <nullspace> ughhhh the voting talk has started in the office, in go the headphones
[13:54] <snap-l> nullspace: Turn it to NPR. That'll show 'em.
[13:54] <rick_h> working from home ftw
[13:57] <nullspace> or I could just blast REM - it's the end of the world
[13:57] <nullspace> it's doomsaying on eitherside
[13:57] <snap-l> Corrosion of Conformity: Vote With a Bullet.
[13:58] <nullspace> vote or die!
[13:58] <rick_h> meh, I fall into the 'don't vote if you don't know wtf you're voting for' camp
[13:58] <nullspace> http://www.blogfordemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/vote_or_die.jpg
[13:58] <rick_h> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
[13:59] <snap-l> rick_h: You mean The Prophecy.
[13:59] <snap-l> It's got electrolytes plants crave.
[13:59] <rick_h> yea, that was probably not quite right. I mean the uninformed making decisions, not necessarily the stupid
[14:00] <rick_h> if you're going to tell me which car to buy, you should know about a few cars
[14:00] <rick_h> or at least drive
[14:00] <nullspace> unfortuantley we have to deal with both of those people on the road as well
[14:03] <rick_h> going to kill snap-l by loading up some old school green day for today
[14:03] <snap-l> rick_h: It's your eardrums.
[14:03] <snap-l> And Green Day is OK in moderation
[14:03] <rick_h> :P
[14:04] <nullspace> at least it's not their new stuff
[14:05] <rick_h> part of this was to buy the new album but starting with dookie first
[14:05] <jjesse> so there are people who in milwaukee who have been in line for 2 hours
[14:05] <jjesse> thats a long time to wait to vote
[14:05] <rick_h> yea, I can't wait until they get voting by text message working
[14:05] <nullspace> there are people in flordia that waited for 6 hours to vote, that's dedication
[14:05] <rick_h> things will really change then when everyone actually votes
[14:05] <jjesse> i voted via abstenee
[14:06] <nullspace> rick_h: hahahahahaah
[14:06] <snap-l> jjesse: Lucky you.
[14:07] <brousch> I was in and out in 30mins
[14:07] <jjesse> well i'm out of state so it was really easy
[14:07] <snap-l> I'm not sure I want people treating the presidential election as though it was the same as voting for their favorite American Idol star
[14:07] <brousch> Geez, a 6 hour line with no roller coaster at the end?
[14:07] <snap-l> but I do wish we had remote electronic voting
[14:07] <rick_h> I'm just saying a LOT of people don't vote because it involsed the physical step of going/waiting
[14:07] <nullspace> snap-l: hwo is it any different than that now
[14:08] <rick_h> removing that and I think the results would come out a TON differently
[14:08] <snap-l> I'm glad ours was only 30 minutes
[14:08] <snap-l> nullspace: Point taken
[14:12] <snap-l> apparently the Royal Oak Brewery has a special where if you bring in your sticker, they give you a free beer.
[14:13] <snap-l> I'm gonna go vote again to get more beer. :)
[14:13] <rick_h> hah
[14:13] <rick_h> early and often
[14:14] <rick_h> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104919222657565747428/posts/NK9MAB6heDR cool did not know that
[14:14] <rick_h> really wish these guys made machines I could get into buying :(
[14:15] <snap-l> Yeah, I want to support them
[14:16] <rick_h> unfortunately the server I want is something atom based and laptops are 12" so I guess I'm too small for them
[14:17] <brousch> and no nipple
[14:17] <rick_h> yea, that too
[14:17] <rick_h> but don't need that on the server side
[14:21] <brousch> A server without a nipple is no real server
[14:27] <snap-l> God, now there's talk about Disney buying Hasbro
[14:27] <snap-l> aka D&D and Magic the Gathering, among others.
[14:47] <rick_h> I think a nelson 'ha! ha!' is appropriate http://goo.gl/uQRDu
[14:50] <snap-l> I'd say an appropriate response would be to OSS all of the code
[14:51] <snap-l> That way such breaches are meaningless.
[15:00] <nullspace> rut ro, looks like the oxygenarian volunteers don't know how to calibrate touch screens http://t.co/927dDaS1
[16:01] <dzho> itym octagenarian?
[16:01] <dzho> or is that the joke?
[16:07] <rick_h> we never know with nullspace :)
[16:31] <snap-l> It's those folks who believe in Oxygen
[16:31] <nullspace> dzho: hmm yeah ment taht
[16:31] <snap-l> or those who take the oxygen network seriously. :)
[16:32] <nullspace> snap-l: also know as idoits
[16:32] <snap-l> no comment
[17:11] <dzho> octagenarians are probably more highly represented than the general population as users of pure oxygen tanks
[17:11] <dzho> so, it works pretty ok even if not intended :)
[17:17] <rick_h> yay no more crap in the mail...thank you voting day!
[17:33] <snap-l> rick_h: God, I could have make a shrine to the Matty Maroune Proposal 6 crap
[17:50] <jrwren> rick_h: what is the equivalent of this in pythong? http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=106461
[17:58] <jrwren> nevermind. I think I was not remembering correctly what sed -i and perl -i do.
[17:59] <rick_h> jrwren: there's not really an in place
[18:00] <rick_h> you'd just make hte .bak files, open the files, write to a tmp, and shutil it back overwrite
[18:00] <jrwren> yup, that is what I shall do.
[18:00] <rick_h> http://docs.python.org/2/library/tempfile.html and http://docs.python.org/2/library/shutil.html
[18:01] <jrwren> shutil better than os.rename?
[18:02] <rick_h> well, I was specifically thinking of copytree for the backup but not quite the same
[18:02] <jrwren> ok. cool
[18:02] <rick_h> but shutil is a bit more thorough than the os items getting permissions/metadata and such I think
[18:02] <rick_h> so like look at shutil.move
[18:02] <rick_h> If the destination is on the current filesystem, then os.rename() is used. Otherwise, src is copied (using shutil.copy2()) to dst and then removed.
[18:03] <rick_h> so it's just a bit smarter
[18:03] <jrwren> yeah, like the name implies, more like a shell command than a syscall
[18:04] <rick_h> yea
[18:04] <rick_h> I tend ot start with shutil since I've been bitten by the os. stuff before
[18:04] <rick_h> like you can't do a rmtree in os, but can in shutil
[18:04] <jrwren> makes sense.
[18:05] <jrwren> i'm used to just the os stuff since that is what most other language api give you.
[18:05] <jrwren> os is basically posix C file api stuff in python
[18:41] <nullspace> snap-l: We were unable to process this funnel due to one or more submitted values are in error " + "please make make corrections where an #ERR is present
[18:42] <nullspace> snap-l: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7CU3HACEAEnkf1.jpg
[18:42] <nullspace> first one was a clipboard f-up
[18:46] <snap-l> nullspace: Amen
[20:37] <brousch> This looks interesting http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/11/06/1752228/gate-one-11-released-run-vim-in-your-browser
[21:39] <snap-l> Love it when a transaction table goes for a toss.