=== nyR3dn3k is now known as nyRednek === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [01:12] I have an issue where files in a gvfs mount of samba shares will become unresponsive in 12.10. [01:13] Anybody else seen this? === nyR3dn3k is now known as nyRednek [01:51] Hi friends, I installed xubuntu 12.04 few days back. My experience with Ubuntu and Kubuntu was great in beginning but after installing updates almost daily the Desktop env breaks and many error comes in. I dont want to repeat that with Xubuntu. Is it ok if I disable all kind of updates and install only security updates? [02:00] c2tarun: it shouldn't happen unless you add stuff, especially from PPAs [02:00] and 12.04.1 is a LTS version (long term support), so it should be fairly stable [02:03] c2tarun: check this out https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/fatalmistakes [02:08] v1adimir, I installed LTS for ubuntu and Kubuntu the main problem I was facing was of not able to control the brightness. Whenever I reduce brightness I get a jumbled up screen with only pixels of different colors visible :( With ubuntu the problem started immediately after the installation but with kubuntu it started after 3-4 months. Apart from that everything was great :) [02:08] BTW thanks for the link :) [02:09] c2tarun: sometimes it happens to me, on nvidia gts 500, the pixels (not necessarily brightness related), but my session will usually get dropped automatically and i'd just have to re-log back in [02:10] you can alt-f4 logout and then log back in to see if it solves it for example [02:10] *gts 450 sry [02:11] and no such problem on xubuntu 12.10 (but i can't recommend an upgrade, too many things seem 'broken' in it) [02:14] oh and check additional drivers - it's an easy way to switch around, if one's not working maybe another will [02:14] v1adimir, does your screen looked like thie? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1982655 [02:14] this** [02:16] no :) for me it was like a (small) grouping of borked pixels [02:16] *small patch [02:16] oh but it's from resume, so it could be power related sort of thing [02:17] acpi or whatever [02:20] I read your link. I installed ubuntu tweaks in Ubuntu :P and I guess I also enabled backports and multiverse in repos [02:20] v1adimir, are you using Downthemall in firefox? [02:22] heh :s [02:22] nah i use the minimum of everything [02:23] v1adimir, :) okie [02:23] :) [02:24] simpler the better for me i guess [02:25] v1adimir, actually I use downthem all to download streaming videos. From Hak5.com and there are few more sites :) [02:26] c2tarun: jdownloader is kinda neat also [02:27] but actually i only tried it on like youtube hm [02:27] is it a browser plugin? [02:27] it's an app, java dependent [02:27] (works with openjdk) [02:28] v1adimir, great :) though I have sunJava installed, I'll give it a try [02:28] <_28c64_> o/ [02:28] should be ok, hopefully [02:29] ok, got to go, bye [02:29] thanks for help [02:30] np, tc === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === UnknownFork___ is now known as UnknownFork === nitro is now known as Guest80447 [03:43] hello all, I just have a fresh install with xubuntu 12.04.1 alt cd, but when it boot, it doesn't display anything text or splash, the monitor even lost signal for a few secs. It does boot into system at last and run flawlessly, but it's just bugs me. [03:47] I tried booting with nomodeset seems the monitor doesnt lose signal but still no display during the boot [03:53] Guest80447: so, you are bugged? [03:53] could be some of the boot stuff is just out of the range of the monitor [03:54] if i had a spare monitor, i woud probably try that... maybe just knowing what the issue is will bug you less [03:54] uhh I guess it does nothing with my monitor it works well with ubuntu 10.04 [03:55] Guest80447: 10.04 has a different kernel, and is not supported much longer [04:34] well i just delete the quiet splsh boot params in grub. now it at least show some text during boot better than just blank screen and it boot a little faster. [05:14] I am new to Xubuntu and need to find out how to check my hard drive for errors and fix them. I have successfully installed Xubuntu, but it will not start up again. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. [05:18] My hardware is a Toshiba Satellite A215 with an AMD Turion 64 processor and 2GB of 5300 RAM. It does have an problem staying cool. [05:19] xubuntu481: i would grab a live CD... you can force a check at reboot, depending on how far its getting.. or just check it with the live CD.. the disk utility in the ubuntu live CD's, or something like... [05:19] http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ [05:20] I can't do this from the Xubuntu install CD? [05:22] well I have installed ubuntu 12.04 with live cd but it doesnt install grub properly(the grub menu doesnt show up the system directly boots up windows) so I installed with a alt cd that is my case [05:23] I tried to start it again and it came up. What can I do to check the hard disk? [05:24] xubuntu481: you tried to start the normal install from the hard disk and it started? [05:24] yes [05:25] xubuntu481: i would do it from a live CD.. i would check with the disk utility on an ubuntu live cd, such as the xubuntu live CD you might have installed with.. or i would use the cd i linked, or one like it [05:25] How do I do that? [05:26] xubuntu481: if by that you mean, use the xubuntu live cd to check, i would just boot the xubuntu live cd and look for the disk utility [05:26] or, if by that you mean, the ubcd.. you can download it and burn it and boot and test and repair [05:27] or search for another cd that has such tools if you prefer [05:27] also, as i said earlier.. you can forc fsck http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/ [05:27] !grub | nitro_ [05:27] nitro_: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [05:27] Thanks for all your help. I sure appreciate it. I will try the next reboot check. [05:28] nitro_: i would try the "recover grub from live CD".. or, restore after installing windows, though i know windows was already on there [05:28] ubottu: by grub I mean grub2 actually [05:28] nitro_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [05:29] nitro_: that is the grub2 documentation... it'll say there how to recover using a live CD [07:26] Good evening all. I have a question about sound dropping out on a recent install of Xubuntu 12.10 [07:27] I installed 12.10 on a MacBook 5,1 and every once in a while sound output cuts out [07:27] I can look at pulseaudio control and it looks like it's processing the sound but I get nothing out of the speakers [07:27] anyone have an idea where I should look to start figuring this problem out? [07:28] I get no error messages or notifications regarding any crash [08:06] Can I get the graybird theme from 12.04 for 12.10? === nyR3dnek is now known as nyRednek === nyR3dn3k is now known as nyRednek [12:36] why my background image resets everytime I restart pc ? [12:41] http://mahon.cwx.net/sources/ee-1.5.2.src.tgz can anyone check if this builds and installs [12:41] don't worry it isn't malware it is the famous "ee" editor from freebsd [12:48] apm1: please don't post things that may break on the support channel [12:49] TheSheep, i don't think that breaks anything , at the very most it will compile and not run :p [12:49] apm1: in any case, it's not the channel for that [12:50] TheSheep, ok , sorry [12:51] sorry, unable to use this terminal type for screen editing [12:51] sorry [13:08] Hi there [13:08] I am new to Xubuntu and I really need your help [13:08] I just downloaded Xubuntu 12.10 [13:09] on a Thinkpad Lenovo x100e [13:09] It's working fine [13:09] except my wireless [13:09] anyone there who can hep? [13:11] I am having fun with Xubuntu and I would hate to go back to Windows because I could not solve my wireless problem :( [13:16] xubuntu_Moe: the wireless is not supported out of the box? [13:17] i thought from 10.04 the wireless would be working [13:19] Well, the model I have is Realtek 802.11bgn, the wiki lists Realtek as supported [13:19] xubuntu_Moe: is it listed in the network manager or "ifconfig -a" [13:21] Hi Koegs [13:22] it says " wirless is disabled by hardware switch [13:22] but I have no hardware switch [13:22] on Windows [13:22] I just press Fn+F5 [13:22] to turn on and off [13:23] that is not working on Xubuntu :( [13:24] Is there something during the installation that I should have done during the installation that I might not have? [13:27] xubuntu_Moe: pls no qry, support is here [13:28] xubuntu_Moe: please try "rfkill list" to see if your wireless switch is supported [13:29] where do I find that? [13:29] do I run it on the terminal? [13:30] yes [13:30] if needed, please install it with "sudo apt-get install rfkill" [13:49] it says soft blocked: no [13:49] hard blocked: yes [13:50] is there a way to run a diagnosis of for my wirelss card on Xubuntu [13:50] ? [13:52] xubuntu_Moe: if you press FN+F5 again and then check again with rfkill, is it still hardblocked? [13:58] an interesting thing happened.. [13:58] soft bloked became: yes [13:58] and hard blocked became yes [13:58] when I pressed again [13:59] soft blocked went back to no, but hard blocked remained yes [13:59] my wireless was working fine before I deleted Windows and downloaded Xubuntu though! [14:00] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X100e#Wireless_network_device [14:00] xubuntu_Moe: please read "Wireless network device" [14:03] thanks [14:03] let me try now [14:58] Hello folks, I wonder if the back/forward thumb buttons on your mousies work in Thunar [14:59] I've tried setting MiscHorizontalWheelNavigates to true in my ~/.config/Thunar/thunarrc but that seems to have no effect [14:59] My open windows snap the the edge of the screen, but how do I make them snap to each other also? [14:59] sisk: see settings->window manager tweaks [15:00] martian: they scroll the window horizontally [15:02] TheSheep: well, I'm referring to the thumb buttons, not the scroll wheel. I would also have assumed that MiscHorizontalWheelNavigates is for the wheel, but reading an email thread regarding thunar dev, they seem to imply that MiscHorizontalWheelNavigates is for the thumb buttons. Maybe I mis-read. [15:02] Thanks, TheSheep. But, I'm still not seeing it. What's the option called? [15:03] I would like to see the thumb buttons work as 'back' [15:03] sisk: it's in the Window Manager control panel, not Tweaks [15:03] Advanced tab, second option [15:04] perfect! thanks martian [15:13] sisk: sorry [15:14] No prob, it's working well now. [15:52] hi, there is a possibility to switch on pc with xubuntu 12.10 without video? [15:52] xubuntu031: headless? [15:52] xubuntu031: you want to remotely powerup a PC? [15:53] holstein: i need to have pc on line without video [15:54] xubuntu031: im not following.. i would just unplug the monitor [15:54] holstein: with teamviewer i joined with this pc to work [15:54] you can connect in with vnc.. or something like nomachine/freenx [15:54] xubuntu031: sure.. just dont hook up a monitor, and you dont have video.. you can use teamviewer or one of the other serivces above [15:55] im not sure the linux teamviewer client runs like that in the background [15:55] why does Xubuntu insist on cloning all displays! [15:55] ? [15:55] xubuntu031: i used both vnc and nomachine [15:55] holstein: teamvierwer go well [15:56] RyChannel: i would try arandr for spanning.. though i have needed driver support for several devices, or at least it seemed to make the process easier [15:57] holstein I have to ran a script manually after I login to get it to work [15:57] a second after login it, it extends and then decides to clone [15:58] sounds good [15:58] I shouldn't have to do this everytime I login [15:59] RyChannel: you cant run the script automatcially? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [16:04] holstein [16:05] holstein : nope, for some reason the latest kernel update killed that scripts ability to run automaitcally, now there is something else that runs that cancels out what that script does. [16:08] If I could figure out how to get it to run after the desktop is loaded... i think it'd be fine === nyR3dn3k is now known as nyRednek [16:55] hey all. anyone on here know why I cant ever seem to download a file past 2gb? im on Xubuntu 12.04 with ext4 I think. I am using multiget, and have tried some other download managers and all stop at 2gb [17:16] That's odd. I'd check your memory - you can run a test from an Ubuntu live CD/DVD - and if everything looks okay then try using a utility like wget to download the file. [17:18] I tried wget from the console and it doesnt seem to download. but I had linux mint 13 kde and it had the same problem. I never used to have this problem originally, but back in the day I used to use gwget but its not in the repos anymore [17:19] Is it always the same file you're trying this with? [17:19] no its with any file that is over 2gb [17:19] and I have asked friends of mine to download them and it works for them but not for me [17:19] Same problem on different internet connections? [17:20] I have not tried on a different internet connection, but I used to use this internet connection to download large files. now if I use torrents they download but direct downloads dont work [17:21] And I'm sure you've checked to see if you have enough free disk space - I'm almost out of ideas. [17:22] hehe well what wget commands do you use? but yeah I have like 400gb free space [17:23] you should just be able to run 'wget /.' and it will automatically download to whichever directory you're in. [17:23] If it does stop, you can press ctrl-C to close it, then restart it and it should continue the download. [17:24] I can show you the link if you want to try [17:25] I've actually gotta run out the door, this one just piqued my interest; last thing I would do is try downloading it directly to an external flash drive or hard drive and see if anything takes. I can't imagine this is a xubuntu-specific issue, so try asking at #ubuntu as well. [17:25] Best of luck! [17:26] thanks ;) ill try to a flash drive then [17:26] but incase you want to see the link its: [17:26] im a tech and was needing the install disc for windows and there is an offical download link from dell: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/w/microsoft_os/3317.2-3-microsoft-windows-vista-official-iso-download-links-digital-river.aspx on that page there is this file that is what im having a problem with: http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msvista/pub/msshus/vista32/install.wim [17:27] If you get it figured out then let me know what resolves it; I'd be interested to know. Logged in here most of the time. [17:27] hi I have nvidia FX 570M, I'm running xubuntu 12.10 and I suffer from screen tearing [17:27] sounds good ;) and there is another problem I have in xubuntu as well :P my screen is only 24bit not 32 bit :P so I have non smooth pics but thats a different issue :P [17:28] @bootch have you tried syncing to vblank? [17:28] Cigam, it's on in nvidia-settings [17:29] Cigam, it's only anoying while watching movies [17:29] HD movies? [17:29] Cigam, yes 720p [17:29] I have tearing when I watch movies too, but I play most of my HD movies in Dragon Player its the only one I have found that can play it smoothly, dont know why though [17:30] other than that I use smplayer and vlc [17:30] but dragon player can play 1080p without a hitch [17:30] Cigam, I'm using gnome-mplayer, had no problems on ubuntu with unity but it was slow so I switched to xubuntu [17:32] are you sure you have the same version of nvidia installed? [17:33] hi guys. how do I add a user in xubuntu please? [17:33] I googled it, and everything I find tells me it's in the 'applications' menu - which I don't see anywhere [17:33] Cigam, I tried all avaiable in xbuntu [17:33] dooglus: click on the applications menu/system/users and groups [17:34] the applications menu is the little mouse [17:34] Cigam: oh, I see. in system I have no 'users and groups'. could be I'm missing a package? [17:34] Cigam, to use dragonplayer I need to install half of KDE [17:35] dooglus, maybe u want use command line useradd? [17:35] yeah I know it installs a lot of kde dependancies but it still doesnt use too much resources on teh system, but you dont have to. its just the only one I have used that can play smooth [17:36] Cigam, I know that on ubuntu 12.04 maplyer was smooth, my GPU was on lowest freq and cpu on 800 MHz and everything was super smooth and fast [17:37] hmm then im not sure, maybe you are missing a codec? [17:37] that was installed on ubuntu and not xubuntu? [17:37] Cigam, my xorg uses autoconfiguration how can I check what settings is currently in use? [17:37] Cigam: could you find out the name of the executable that 'users and groups' runs please? [17:37] Cigam: then I can search for the package which provides that executable [17:38] Cigam, same codecs installed (may differ version only) [17:38] Cigam: is this the place I should see 'users and groups'? http://i.imgur.com/dr3uy.png [17:38] dooglus ill have to check again hold on. [17:38] bootch in the nvidia settings you should be able to see your xorg from within that [17:38] dooglus yeah thats where it would be [17:39] Cigam: I installed ubuntu, and xfce4. I didn't install xubuntu-desktop, because I don't want abiword, etc. but I'm guessing that's why I don't have the user manager [17:42] I've installed Xubuntu 12.10 in a VMware Fusion VM, and after I installed open-vm-tools and changed the screen resolution, it just takes me to the login screen with no error messages. [17:42] I have a page saved somewhere that tells me what it is, let me find it, but I think its adduser let me find that page again [17:42] All I see in .xsession-errors is: 'resource temporarily unavailable.' [17:43] adduser is the command line tool. I could use that, but it's not ideal [17:44] What could cause this? [17:44] install: gnome-system-tools [17:44] (This is both with the xfce and xubuntu session options.) [17:44] thats what gives you the gui for it [17:46] Cigam: thanks. I can't believe I didn't have that already [17:46] hi ppl, i have a problem with xubuntu 12.10, when i open a app menu in the task bar some and put the mouse cursor over the items of the menu some of the icons seams like desapeer, i.e., they are there but without colors, same behavior hapens whith the desktop icons and whith the control-panel icons, and when in the terminal when i type somme thing i cant see it, there is some kind of test selection that hydes the test and if i move the terminal wi [17:46] ndow then i am able to see it. The interesting is that if choose xfce session instead xubuntu session the behavior of windows, menus, icons, etc. is normal, i.e., without any of the issues mentioned. Can somebody help please [17:46] dooglus your welcome ;) I remember reading it on a linux mint forum one time [17:47] Cigam: maybe ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on gnome-system-tool any more [17:47] Cigam: I guess it can't - 'cos I have it installed [17:47] Cigam: I suppose unuty has its own user manager [17:48] abc235 im not sure what to recommend [17:48] dooglus: yeah it probably does but you should still be able to install it [17:48] is that a known issue? [17:49] im on 12.04 so im not sure. but I would have to check again. [17:49] ok thanks [17:51] here's another minor annoyance: http://i.imgur.com/KLIbq.png I realise google are big, but that's ridiculous [17:52] dooglus: that im not sure about it doesnt do that on mine. [17:52] Cigam: it doesn't do it on mine until I highlight the earth line - and then it does it from then on until I reboot / logout [17:53] maybe try another theme? maybe its just the theme you are using to cause problems with it [17:57] djtf : I may have found the problem I was on a Qwest internet (that got bought from centurylink) but this page talks about my problem too. and they show it being the modem as the problem: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24732706-Does-Qwest-Limit-File-Download-Size-to-2GB- [17:59] cigam: i have already tried different themes but the problem still there [17:59] abc235 then im not sure. [18:06] i tried on another machine and the problem persist, the ting is that both machines have old nvidia cards. i try to install the latest nvidia-96 but it does not work well, maybe i should try it on other machine with another graphics card. any way is there a simple way to install the nvidia-96 latest driver that can make it work good? [18:07] of the latest nvidia driver? [18:08] abc235 this page has a repo that might help: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/ubuntu-x-swat [18:09] ill brb gotta go eat [18:13] i will try it thanks [18:42] Hi - is there a way to highlight/bolden the title text for the currently active terminal tab ? Extremely annoying when trying to figure out which tab I am on. (asked this question few days before so thought would ask again). [18:43] ill have to check I dont remember off hand [18:46] Chaser : im not sure, you could change your theme but other than that I would have to research more. [18:58] Thanks Cigam it does do bold for the current tab but its not distinguishable enough with a brief look. Will playround with themes. [18:58] Chaser : your welcome ;) [19:09] hey, i've just downloaded the alternate iso of xubuntu to install it with my usb stick. But when I check disk before install it gives me the error: "The ./pool/universe/s/synaptic/synaptic 0.75.9ubuntu1_i386.deb file failed the MD5 checksum verification. Your CD-ROM or this file may have been corrupted." [19:09] how did you prepare the usb stick? just curious [19:10] dd [19:10] it means it probably didnt download correctly. but you can also try unetbootin [19:10] Cigam: i've tried 3 diff downloads already :) [19:11] ive only ever prepared em on a windows machine [19:11] * more_buntu is new to linux [19:11] oh [19:11] well i'm on os x :) [19:11] lol [19:11] there are quite a few programs to make usbs [19:11] even worse lol :p [19:11] but unetbootin I think is on osx too [19:11] there is also another one that might be on osx let me check again [19:12] more_buntu how is os x even worse than windows? :p [19:12] apple's proprietary hardware [19:12] walled garden [19:12] http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [19:12] There is nothing worse than OS X. [19:13] Cigam: hmm .. most people advice to use dd instead of those fancy GUI tools as they produce more errors [19:13] jacked up prices [19:13] mattyh88 I have never used command line though and have gotten them to work [19:13] Well, command line is still better to use. [19:13] Cigam: even 12.04.1? [19:14] yes [19:14] hm [19:14] http://www.webupd8.org/2009/04/4-ways-to-create-bootable-live-usb.html [19:15] Cigam: i can only do #4 :p [19:15] as I'm on os x [19:15] I know but didnt know if you had tried that, but unetbootin also works on osx [19:15] yeh just saw it on that link you gave me [19:16] although [19:16] when I do step 4 [19:16] and dd has finished [19:16] I get the error the computer can't read the usb stick [19:17] hmm [19:17] but it can be booted when I put it into my computer where i'd like to install xubuntu [19:17] and all files are written to it [19:17] Applefags can't do a half of the whole thing. [19:17] You need additional drivers. [19:17] for ? [19:18] For UNetbooting under Mac. [19:18] What version have you got? [19:18] ah [19:18] 10.8.2 [19:18] Ever heard of Xcode? [19:18] yeh [19:18] That's what you need. [19:19] Let me guess - why do you need Linux on your Mac? [19:19] i don't want it on my mac :) [19:19] Ah. [19:19] OKay. [19:19] just want to install xubuntu on my old computer [19:19] with my usb stick :) [19:19] brb yall gotta go do some things [19:20] mattyh88, are you having trouble with any other ubuntu isos? [19:20] hello [19:20] maybe there is a minimal iso you can install then sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop [19:20] Hi [19:20] more_buntu: yeh could try that =) [19:20] i have propblems with pppoe [19:21] after upgrade to xubuntu 12.04 lts [19:21] pppoe not working [19:22] any ideea? [19:22] ;) [19:22] :) [19:22] :p [19:22] lol [19:22] ok [19:22] pppoe internet connection [19:22] in your router? [19:23] probably dsl [19:23] direct cabel in PC [19:23] with password and user name [19:23] hmm not familiar [19:23] working perfect befor, upgrade [19:30] i need to use an echo command to adjust my brightness is there a way to do that automatically when the battery is unplugged? [19:30] or for starters everytime i reboot? [19:30] What laptop do you have? [19:30] Download brightness-plugin. [19:30] its the new samsung arm chromebook [19:30] ok is that an app? [19:30] No. [19:30] XFCE panel plugin. [19:31] ok boss, what command do I use? [19:31] apt-get install xfce4-goods [19:31] I think. [19:31] ill give it a try [19:33] hmm says unable to locate package? [19:33] i guess its not in the same package i used to install the desktop [19:34] Maybe xfce-goods. [19:35] hmm that didnt work either [19:35] Wait then. [19:35] It's xfce4-goodies. [19:36] lol k [19:36] ty trying now [19:36] working :) [19:37] SD, are you running the newest xubuntu? [19:38] Yes. [19:38] Now, when you have installed xfce4-goodies. [19:39] Go and add brightness-plugin to your panel. [19:40] there will be a new setting in the settings menue? [19:40] No. [19:40] Right-click on the panel. [19:40] Then Panel > Add New Items. [19:41] ok i dont have a right click [19:41] the mouse has a single click i think [19:41] is there a trick to make double tap right click? [19:41] googling it [19:41] Not really. [19:42] Why can't you right click? [19:42] Go get yourself a normal mouse. [19:42] lol [19:42] hey double tap appears to be right click lol [19:42] lol double finger tap [19:43] Okay. [19:44] hmm no brightness plugin [20:12] 1 [20:20] what do they call the pop up task bar at the bottom of the screen? in xubuntu? [20:22] how can i change the panels back to installation standart ? [20:22] ncm its a normal taskbar just with auto hide [20:23] i mean the two panels at the top and bottom [20:23] is there a way ? [20:24] cigam the icon in the taskbar you select is it larger than the others? [20:25] the bottom taskbar has larger icons yes [20:25] xubuntu409 try changing the settings for the appearance or theme? [20:26] no cigam the one you mouse over it enlarges for you? [20:26] oh like teh mac style ones? [20:27] i think i thought when i installed the newest xubuntu it enlarged [20:27] the one you selected [20:27] the one that comes to mind is AWN but on my 12.04 system they dont enlarge when hovering over them, its just a normal taskbar with auto hide [20:28] what is AWN? [20:29] and is 12.04 the newest? [20:29] its a program that can give you a mac style bottom taskbar [20:29] but 12.10 is the newest but im on 12.04 [20:29] ok does anyone in here have 12.10? [20:29] lol i may have just imagined this [20:31] yea i use 12.10 [20:31] i cant find a way to change the panles back to installation standart [20:31] the task bar at the bottom when you mouse over an icon does the icon enlarge or not? [20:32] i think they normaly do but i messed up my panels i think its static now [20:33] i remember first time i launched xbuntu theay moved and enlarged now they do nothing [20:33] and they are on the left side of tha screen [20:33] normaly in the middle [20:33] can yu drag it with your mouse? [20:33] you [20:33] i dont know what i have done there but i dont wanna install it again [20:33] you can also try virtualbox [20:34] i rightclicked and moved something from the top panel to the bottom one [20:34] thats all i can remember [20:38] are you trying to remove a panel? [20:39]