[00:16] <xnox> *sigh* I didn't make it on time.
[00:17] <xnox> pykde4 is in depwait on kde stack and until it's built and transitions, I can't drop python3.2 out of the archive =)
[00:17] <xnox> oh well. I can go to sleep ;-)
[00:27] <yofel> plasma-desktop runs surprisingly well on my nexus...
[00:28]  * yofel is off to bed
[00:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: My thought is "make it wonderful".
[00:31] <ScottK> Did 4.9.3 get uploaded?
[01:22] <apachelogger> yofel: most likely
[01:22] <apachelogger> unless the calligra desktop file has a lower initialpreference, in which case the kate patch needs to go even lower
[02:50] <ScottK> yofel: Why are the Ubuntu language packs for KDE building in the updates PPA (the Ubuntu ones, not the KDE ones)?
[03:25] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)
[05:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: they are now built by kde-l10n
[05:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Oh.
[08:12] <yofel> ScottK: 4.9.3 is in the archive except for 4 packages which were missing from the packageset and l10n
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:24] <jussi> Hi all. Is anyone else having issues creating k/ubuntu USB's with the usb creator tool on quantal?
[12:26] <jussi> fails near the end with "Could not read from /tmp/tmpzEPYyh"
[12:32] <jussi> hehe, looks like i was the usb... (was a free one I got from SUSE :P)
[12:33] <Tm_T> jussi: I blame SUSE
[12:33] <jussi> :D
[13:06] <ScottK> yofel_: Excellent.  I just installed the quantal one from the PPA for testing.  In about 10 hours or so, I can upload the missing 4 if no one else does before.
[13:10] <ScottK> Seems to work OK on initial contact.
[13:11] <yofel_> ok, I added them to the supported seed and cjwatson said that I should ping him again later today so maybe I can do that myself later
[13:12] <ScottK> OK.
[13:12] <ScottK> Let me know if you need me to upload.
[13:12] <yofel> shadeslayer, Quintasan, SteveRiley: do you guys have any pointers to a guide that tells how to make a VM/crossbuild env to build nexus7 packages?
[13:12] <yofel> sure
[14:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:37] <jussi> so, Kubuntu runs quite nicely on my 1.86 ghz atom - the ssd helps of course :D
[14:40] <apachelogger> primariy bottleneck is always the hdd
[14:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping :(
[14:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does one not need to clean the transaction object?
[14:41] <apachelogger> also if the user for example denied authorization and the transaction errored... how do I discard the pending changes?
[14:42] <apachelogger> currently I am doing         const QApt::PackageList pkgList = m_backend->markedPackages();
[14:42] <apachelogger>         foreach (QApt::Package *package, pkgList)
[14:42] <apachelogger>             package->setKeep();
[14:42] <apachelogger> which seems a bit fugly
[14:46]  * apachelogger issues leak alert
[14:46] <apachelogger> jussi: what you doing with an atom btw?
[14:53] <jussi> apachelogger: got myself one of those tiny little sony vaio machines.
[14:54] <apachelogger> neato
[14:54] <apachelogger> I did not know they came with atom
[14:54] <jussi> ie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_P_series
[14:57] <jussi> apachelogger: sadly its got poulsbo in it - but all the same, seems to work ok with just 2d
[15:00] <apachelogger> why poulsbo never received proper support is totally beyond me
[15:05] <mparillo> I got a System Notification that Software updates are available, and Muon found a whole bunch of 4:4.9.3-0ubuntu1 updates
[15:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/599138/
[15:22] <apachelogger> oh noes, a bug
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna, yofel: http://paste.kde.org/599180/
[15:52] <apachelogger> also in bzr
[16:00] <Quintasan> Urgh
[16:00] <Quintasan> I had to get ill right now
[16:01] <Quintasan> yofel: I'd just use pbuilder
[16:01] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1074371] In Kubuntu 12.10, systemsettings does not show "system languages" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074371 (by Ganton)
[16:01] <Quintasan> I think arch=armhf should work with pbuilder
[16:02] <Quintasan> Does 4.9.3 still needs testing?
[16:02]  * Quintasan is not  really for anything requiring thinking today
[16:05] <Quintasan> ScottK: Who do I pester do get burndown charts for Kubuntu?
[16:06] <yofel> I think 4.9.3 is fine as it is. Get well soon :)
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: looks good
[16:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: beer with honey and you'll be cured in a day
[16:15] <apachelogger> or hungover
[16:15] <apachelogger> latter making you not feel yourself amounts to the same end result though
[16:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: weeh, please be fixing your leak though :P
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> leak?
[16:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/599138/
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> that's libapt-pkg's leak, not libqapt's
[16:16] <apachelogger> pff
[16:17] <Quintasan> I blame apachelogger for that mem leak :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> I well remember you trollface :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> also seriously I was going like whaaaaa :O when noticing the leaking
[16:18] <apachelogger> was all freaking out and stuff
[16:19] <apachelogger> <- does not write leaky code :P
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> call m_backend->reload any time a transaction finishes, instead of manually trying to update what happened to the package cache
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> (there's no telling what actually happened to any given package in a commit if it failed during the commit)
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> it could have failed because the package archive was corrupt (and have the status of not installed) but it could also have been installed, but the postinst script failed
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> so to keep consistent you should really call reload() every time after a transaction
[16:25] <apachelogger> oh, my friend donald seems outraged, obama must have won :O
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, they called that about 12 hours ago ^^
[16:25]  * apachelogger gave up on following the rominee's path to the white house
[16:26] <apachelogger> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266034630820507648
[16:27] <apachelogger> see that is why I like donald, he sounds like a right wing guevara
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: reload on what object?
[16:27] <apachelogger> ah
[16:27] <apachelogger> nvm
[16:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so m_backend->reload instead of setKeep()?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> yus
[16:28] <apachelogger> sounds nicer
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> keep in mind that it will invalidate any current Package pointers
[16:29] <apachelogger> yeah, don't have any at that point anymore
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[16:29] <apachelogger> that is, I do that once all transactions returned
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> btw, that problem resolver leak should only happen when a pending change would break the dependency cache... wonder what was up
[16:31] <apachelogger> it's madness :P
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> looks like a fairly straightforward to the leak tho. I'll send a patch to the apt pplz
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> s/straightforward/straightforward fix/
[16:33] <kubotu> JontheEchidna meant: "looks like a fairly straightforward fix to the leak tho. I'll send a patch to the apt pplz"
[16:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: That damn leak was a FEATURE
[16:36] <Quintasan> And you KNOW it
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> this should do it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1340258/
[16:44]  * yofel makes his way home
[17:04] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1074371] In Kubuntu 12.10, systemsettings does not show "system languages" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074371 (by Ganton)
[17:39] <yofel> also interesting to track: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-arm-usb-creator-fastboot-support
[17:47] <yofel> Quintasan: hm, did you guys actually discuss alternatives for not getting ARM PPA builds?
[17:48] <Quintasan> yofel: No, we did not
[17:49] <Quintasan> I asked Laura and she said we can't get arm ppa unless we are canonical or linaro
[17:49] <yofel> setting up a shared repo with reprepro is easy, but I'm wondering how to get the builds done (other than on hardware)
[17:50] <yofel> let's see how long building kate takes on the tablet
[17:52]  * Quintasan nudges ScottK to sign his key
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: building small stuff is fine
[17:54] <shadeslayer> try building homerun 
[17:54] <Quintasan> lol
[17:54] <shadeslayer> and then build kde4libs 
[17:54] <yofel> well, that's why I'm looking for alternatives...
[17:55] <Quintasan> I wonder if it would be possible to get a small repo on ScottK's arm machines
[17:55] <Quintasan> or that would be too much?
[17:55] <Quintasan> If we could just have active builds somewhere
[17:56] <shadeslayer> hmmm 
[17:57] <yofel> don't we have any instructions for a n7 compatible qemu VM somewhere?
[17:58] <Quintasan> We could alternatively have shadeslayer compile everything in head and cat the output directly to the cpu
[17:58] <shadeslayer> sure 
[17:58] <shadeslayer> that sounds like fun
[17:58] <yofel> apachelogger said that he's a good compiler
[17:59] <Quintasan> god
[17:59] <Quintasan> I feel like crap
[17:59] <shadeslayer> but ... does he have a good linker ?
[17:59] <yofel> I worry about memory corruption though
[17:59] <Quintasan> going to bed
[17:59] <shadeslayer> because arm has limited mem for linking
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ( apparently there's an option that you can pass to ld that makes it use less memory :P )
[18:02] <yofel> well, I can time building active later. But then I worry about burning out the Flash storage too
[18:02] <yofel> it's not like I can build active in a tmpfs
[18:02]  * yofel wonders if building over NFS would work........
[18:21] <yofel> hm, building kate took about 3x as long as on my server. That's not too bad
[18:22] <SteveRiley> yofel: did you find out what you need to build nexus 7 packages? presume you're asking about getting kubuntu active to run.
[18:22] <SteveRiley> my nexus 7 is on the ups truck now, should arrive at home today
[18:22] <yofel> not really, we were just talking about how to get builds done
[18:22] <SteveRiley> i know that quintasan got a build script at UDS, but i don't understand that stuff enough yet to grok what we can do with it
[18:22] <yofel> building on hardware works ofc
[18:22] <yofel> but that doesn't really scale
[19:13] <yofel> meh, the ubuntu nexus 7 kernel has neither NFS nor CIFS support :(
[19:20] <yofel> yay, sshfs works
[19:36] <pedahzur> Yesterday on the kubuntu.org site there was an announcement of packages for KDE SC 4.9.3, then it went away. Was the release withdrawn for some reason?
[19:37] <yofel> the announcement is back, the packages weren't yet published
[19:38] <yofel> and it was mentioning the wrong repository
[19:38] <shadeslayer> any chances 4.9.3 is going to be backported to precise? :P
[19:40] <yofel> feel free to do it, maybe I'll do it in a bit
[19:40] <yofel> I didn't really intend not to do it ^^
[19:41] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:41]  * yofel goes rebuilding skanlite to get it's translations back
[19:41] <shadeslayer> I need to install quantal over the weekend
[19:42] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://susepaste.org/70325599
[19:43] <shadeslayer> well .. drat
[19:43] <shadeslayer> how ironic is that picture
[19:43] <shadeslayer> I think I'll leave it there
[19:44] <pedahzur> yofel: The initial announcement said there were packages for precise in the backports PPA.
[19:44] <shadeslayer> "This post will never expire" 
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :>
[19:45] <yofel> pedahzur: that was wrong
[19:45] <yofel> there will be, but not yet
[19:45] <pedahzur> yofel: Bummer.
[19:45] <pedahzur> yofel: Oh, there *will* be. Cool. Thanks!
[19:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: here it's x86_64: 75G, x86: 60G
[19:45] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:46] <shadeslayer> I was thinking i386 would be more popular
[19:46] <shadeslayer> I was wrong
[19:51] <yofel> ok, so mfish just told me how to make armhf pbuilders
[19:52] <yofel> that's progress
[19:52] <shadeslayer> uhh
[19:52] <shadeslayer> how?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> and also, does it use KVM's?
[19:53] <yofel> see #ubuntu-arm
[19:54] <shadeslayer> thats .... awesome
[19:54] <shadeslayer> however
[19:54] <shadeslayer> E: Unable to locate package pbuilder-scripts
[19:54] <shadeslayer> !info pbuider-scripts
[19:54] <shadeslayer> *giggle*
[19:54] <yofel> o.O
[19:54] <yofel> !info pbuilder-scripts
[19:55] <yofel> not in precise
[19:55] <shadeslayer> righto
[20:33]  * yofel gives building kde4libs a try using that pbuilder
[20:51] <yofel> hm, it's SLOW, but it's running
[20:58]  * yofel goes working on 4.9.3 for precise
[20:58] <yofel> staging still has space left 
[21:04] <yofel> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[21:04] <yofel> meh
[21:36] <yofel> ok, packageset fixed
[21:36]  * yofel uploads the rest
[21:39] <yofel> hm, qemu segfaulted again, I'll debug this another time
[21:47] <pedahzur> yofel: qemu segfaulted while you were building 4.9.3? Or is that for something else?
[21:47] <yofel> that was a testbuild for ARM packages
[21:48] <yofel> 4.9.3 is uploaded here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages?batch=200 and will build in due time. (DON'T USE THAT PPA ON YOUR SYSTEM)
[21:58] <pedahzur> yofel: Oh, I know...I won't use staging. :)  I'll wait until it appears in the PPA I already have configured.
[21:58] <yofel> the builders are currently a bit busy, so that might take a day or so
[21:59] <pedahzur> yofel: No worries. Great to know it's in progress.
[22:16] <yofel> ScottK: do you know if there is a list of all packages that were demoted to universe in quantal? We shipped skanlite without translations because nobody rebuilt it and now I'm wondering what else doesn't have translations
[22:29] <Daviey> yofel: I don't think it's accurately tracked. :/  The best i could suggest is either diffing Packages.gz between the releases or inspecting component-mismatches emails.
[22:30]  * yofel feared as much :/
[23:31]  * yofel is off to bed - good night