[00:29] <JanC> bkerensa: if Steam is packaged correctly, you should not need ia32-libs  ☺
[00:29] <bkerensa> JanC: clearly this is not that case
[00:29] <JanC> or is the beta distributed as a tarball for now?
[00:29] <bkerensa> anyone using amd64 had to install ia32-libs
[00:30] <bkerensa> JanC: no its a .deb but clearly something is not solid with debian/control
[00:30] <bkerensa> and they also made it obviously easy to use steam without any invite
[00:30] <JanC> somebody should tell the packager about multiarch  ☺
[00:31] <philballew> had to install 32
[00:32] <JanC> well, it's a beta, they have time to fix it
[00:38] <philballew> Unless they get mad that we hacked it
[00:38]  * philballew says hacked loosely
[00:41] <bkerensa> we didnt hack
[00:41] <bkerensa> its just a loop hole
[00:41] <bkerensa> run it from terminal and it doesnt check for a invite
[00:41]  * cjohnston has tons of stuff to work on, but I can't... too many distractions
[00:41] <bkerensa> thats not even modding
[00:41] <bkerensa> cjohnston: Take the day off
[00:41] <bkerensa> :P
[00:42]  * cjohnston doesn't have time to take a day off
[00:42] <cjohnston> unless your gonna start fixing summit bugs
[00:42] <philballew> This is why we can't have nice things
[00:43] <cjohnston> Summit?
[00:43] <philballew> steam
[00:43] <philballew> summit is really nice
[00:43] <philballew> my python code would make it no so nice though.....
[00:47] <bkerensa> philballew: why is it we cant have nice things?
[00:48] <philballew> people make linux look bad this way. not that I have a problem with it, i just wonder if the steam people dislike this
[00:49] <bkerensa> there is nothing bad about it
[00:49] <bkerensa> people are literally just running the app with no changes to code or any modding
[00:49] <bkerensa> and I think "Linux" has lots of nice things
[00:50] <bkerensa> whens the last time you had a virus? Ask a friend who uses Windows the same thing?
[00:51] <philballew> bkerensa, I agree. never had a virus. I was just saying if steam might not like this being done
[00:51] <philballew> they might not care, I have no idea
[00:52] <bkerensa> philballew: im sure they are well aware of it and if they do care they will patch their binary
[00:53] <philballew> might be intentional
[01:01] <JanC> I never had a virus on Windows
[01:01] <JanC> I had a virus on MS-DOS once
[01:02] <bkerensa> :P
[01:03] <JanC> then went on to read about virussen and wrote a couple viruses myself (very simple ones, and never released publicly, of course)
[01:04] <JanC> people who think Ubuntu/linux is completely safe from viruses is pretty wrong BTW
[01:06] <bkerensa> JanC: its not safe from them but there has not been anything terrible yet
[01:07] <bkerensa> JanC: Ubuntu not having viruses was a marketing pitch on Ubuntu.com a few cycles back
[01:08] <JanC> currently there are (almost) no viruses/malware that work on Ubuntu
[01:08] <JanC> which is to some degree because of apparmor and "hardening" compiler options and the like
[01:09] <JanC> but it's mostly because of numbers
[02:06] <jcastro_> hi everyone
[02:07] <SergioMeneses> jcastro_, \o
[03:01] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: we can get Rick and Steve on air, but we've already had them (steve in the first session, and rick during the marathon), cc. jcastro_
[03:03] <jcastro_> which steve?
[03:03] <JoseeAntonioR> Langasek
[03:03] <jcastro_> ah yeah
[03:03] <jcastro_> abuse him
[03:03] <jcastro_> Rick I think once a cycle is enough
[03:04] <jcastro_> the other engineering managers I see as fair game. :)
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: ^
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> we also need to define dates
[03:05]  * JoseeAntonioR votes for weekends, people are mostly free those days, and we can get a bigger audience
[03:11] <jcastro_> I can't speak for them
[03:11] <jcastro_> but I am pretty sure getting employees to check in on the weekends will be a very tough sell
[03:12] <JoseeAntonioR> right, we would need to ask first
[03:12] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe an hour or less wouldn't affect, but we would need to ask
[04:02] <bkerensa> jcastro_: steve is a very busy guy
[04:04] <JoseeAntonioR> that's exactly why we need to define dates, and ask them a couple weeks beforehans
[04:04] <JoseeAntonioR> beforehand*
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <chilicuil> good morning dh.olbach
[08:03] <dholbach> hi chilicuil
[08:05] <bkerensa> Buenos días Senor dholbach y chilicuil
[08:06] <dholbach> bkerensa, hola muchacho
[08:06] <bkerensa> :D
[08:06] <chilicuil> señor* ;) bkerensa, good morning for you guys, hola muchachos*
[08:07] <chilicuil> well, it's 2am here.., I'll leave installing ubuntu raring.., I'm going to bed ~.~/
[08:09] <bkerensa> dholbach: you developed harvest? Has there been any consideration to add age filtering to it?
[08:10] <dholbach> age filtering?
[08:10] <dholbach> like an opportunity which has been around for too long?
[08:11] <bkerensa> yeah or just filtering to display only fresh opportunities
[08:11] <bkerensa> I guess in reality if something has become irrelevant or old it should just be triaged
[08:11] <dholbach> no, it was never discussed
[08:11] <bkerensa> hmm
[08:11] <dholbach> you can file a bug for it
[08:11] <bkerensa> kk
[08:11] <dholbach> but nobody has been working on harvest for a while
[08:28]  * popey wonders what starts this... root     10505 33.0  0.1  52036  9896 ?        Rs   08:27   0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/twistd --nodaemon --uid 1000 --gid 1000 --logfile /home/alan/juju/alan-sample/storage-server.log --pidfile= -d /home/alan/juju/alan-sample/files web --port tcp:53604:interface=192.168.122.1 --path /home/alan/juju/alan-sample/files
[08:33] <philballew> juju looks confusing
[08:33] <popey> its respawning over and over, killing my laptop
[08:35] <philballew> yeah, seem's odd to be a juju thing. might be something tied in with that
[08:35]  * philballew feels sorry for popey 's battery
[08:35] <popey> well its clearly juju related :)
[08:35] <popey> the thing that spawns it dies so I can't see what the process which started it is
[08:35] <popey> juju was removed
[08:36] <philballew> I can see it's juju, just seems odd popey
[08:37] <philballew> This is why we can't have nice things...
[08:38] <philballew> your running juju on your laptop though?
[08:38] <popey> i was, not any more
[08:38] <popey> aha!
[08:38] <philballew> eureka!
[08:39] <popey> found it in /etc/init
[09:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:18] <philballew> hello
[09:31] <AlanBell> popey: is that lcx creating virtual machines? mine did that for ages
[09:32] <bkerensa> lxc is something else
[09:34] <philballew> juju brought my load up to 15 once
[09:34] <popey> AlanBell, i was using juju with lxc yes.
[09:39] <Daviey> philballew: you were probably using the deboostrap version?
[09:40] <AlanBell> popey: that will be /etc/init/juju-alan-local-file-storage.conf
[09:40] <AlanBell> and juju-alan-local-machine-agent.conf
[09:40] <AlanBell> and I don't even have to translate the filenames \o/
[09:44] <philballew> Daviey, totally was
[09:45] <popey> :)
[09:47] <philballew> well I was bootstraping a lot of things
[10:03] <Daviey> philballew: juju now uses the cloud images, so it's a better experience
[10:04] <philballew> ah, seems nicer.
[10:04] <philballew> my home server is a pentium4 so not much runs well on that
[10:21]  * popey wonders why bkerensa is recommending people install ia32-libs on omg
[10:22] <bkerensa> popey: because the .deb does not install the needed dependencies for amd64
[10:22] <bkerensa> works fine once ia32-libs is installed
[10:22] <popey> but we're multi-arch now, ia32-libs isn't the way to fix that
[10:23] <popey> people should install the specific packages required
[10:23] <bkerensa> popey: I realize were multi-arch
[10:23] <popey> ia32-libs is a horrid mess to have people install
[10:25] <bkerensa> popey: force installing the depends does not resolve it
[10:25] <popey> I'm not suggesting force installing anything
[10:25] <popey> just apt-get install <package>:i386
[10:25] <popey> for each i386 package required
[10:26] <popey> which does work, I've had it running like that for some time, and have not got ia32-libs installed
[10:29] <popey> sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 libstdc++6:i386 libx11-6:i386 libxau6:i386 libxcb1:i386 libxdmcp6:i386
[10:29] <popey> that lot
[10:29] <bkerensa> I thought there was much more than that?
[10:29] <bkerensa> no?
[10:29] <popey> those are the main deps of the steam binary
[10:29] <popey> there may be some others
[10:29] <bkerensa> k
[10:32] <bkerensa> popey: libjpeg-turbo8:i386 libcurl3gnutls:i386 libogg0:i386 libpixman-1-0:i386 libsdl1.2debian:i386 libtheora0:i386 libvorbis0a:i386 libvorbisenc2:i386 libvorbisfile3:i386 libasound2:i386
[10:33] <bkerensa> thats what I found
[10:33] <popey> looks good
[10:35] <bkerensa> popey: there updated
[10:37] <popey> sweet! thanks
[10:38] <czajkowski> popey: to the rescue ;0
[10:38] <czajkowski> :)
[10:49] <bkerensa> popey: ahh see something is odd in their control because it said it just needed those but then prompts for install -f which installs all the transitioned libraries in ia32-libs anyways
[10:58] <popey> ew
[11:01] <bkerensa> popey: do you know if this will always be closed source?
[11:04] <popey> the steam client?
[11:05] <popey> thats a question for valve
[11:05] <bkerensa> ahh
[11:05] <bkerensa> k
[11:05] <popey> why would they open source it?
[11:05] <knome> as long as it can bring some gamers to linux, i don't care if it's closed source
[11:05] <bkerensa> well they could open source portions
[11:06] <bkerensa> like debian/
[11:06] <bkerensa> in this case it might help resolving depends issues if we could see debian/control
[12:58] <jcastro_> buenas mornings!
[13:05] <popey> boyakasha!
[13:06] <jcastro_> ok so serious sam3 is pretty fun
[13:12] <nigelb> Morning jcastro_!
[13:45] <AlanBell> bkerensa: didn't Canonical help them package it?
[13:53] <popey> valve are aware of the packaging issues
[13:55] <jcastro_> from reading their forums it looks like it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be
[13:55] <jcastro_> like, a bunch of little issues
[13:55] <jcastro_> but nothing catastrophic
[13:58] <popey> do we have those issues collated somewhere? we have contact with valve and can pass them on
[13:59] <mhall119> popey: is there a Launchpad project for it?
[13:59] <popey> no
[13:59] <popey> we have a private mailing list on which it gets discussed
[13:59] <mhall119> could we make up with Valve as the upstream?
[14:00] <popey> i dont think they want that
[14:01] <mhall119> popey: can we currently collect crash data for them with apport?
[14:03] <jcastro_> popey: valve has a forum for the beta where people are reporting bugs
[14:04] <popey> indeed
[14:04] <popey> use the forums :)
[14:04]  * popey shudders a little
[14:14] <mhall119> what, no wiki?
[14:14]  * jcastro_ can't tell if you're being serious or joking.
[14:14] <jcastro_> :)
[14:20] <popey> should be a load more beta keys going out today
[14:20] <popey> only a few went out yesterday
[14:22] <balloons> I just installed it.. couldn't remember my password, and the only way to reset was to use the client.. heh
[14:25] <jcastro_> heh I had the exact problem
[14:25] <jcastro_> we have a hangout today right balloons?
[14:25] <mhall119> popey: you mean they haven't all bypassed it via reddit?
[14:25] <mhall119> impatient buggers
[14:26] <balloons> jcastro_, yes we should
[14:27] <balloons> my calendar is a mess due to the time zone switch
[14:27] <balloons> why o why can't google get it right..
[14:27] <balloons> maybe because my local clock is in UTC? I don't know
[14:27] <popey> can someone mention me pls?
[14:28] <balloons> popey, popey popey popey popey popey popey popey popey
[14:28] <popey> hmm
[14:28] <popey> i set xchat to beep
[14:28] <popey> it failed to beep
[14:28] <jcastro_> popey:
[14:28] <jcastro_> hey popey
[14:28] <jcastro_> popey:
[14:29] <popey> oh, no sounds defined
[14:29] <balloons> popey, do you have a sound file for th ebeep?
[14:29] <balloons> lol
[14:29] <popey> well thats dumb
[14:29] <balloons> balloons,
[14:30] <popey> popey,
[14:31] <czajkowski> popey:
[14:31] <popey> hmm, wonder where the bark sound is
[14:33] <czajkowski> what no cat
[14:33] <czajkowski> record sky
[14:34] <popey>  /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/message-new-instant.oga will do
[14:35]  * popey scraps that idea
[14:35] <popey> xchat just plays white noise
[14:38] <czajkowski> bah why wont HD videos play nicely on my laptop :/
[14:38] <czajkowski> VLC makes people turn green
[14:38] <czajkowski> m player goes slow and then loses sound and then is fine again
[14:38] <czajkowski> most annoying
[14:39] <popey> i just use totem these days
[14:40] <czajkowski> hmm
[14:40] <czajkowski> shall try that
[14:40] <czajkowski> if I have to ask jon to use his to watch my movies I'll never hear the end of it
[14:41] <popey> are they 720p or 1080p?
[14:41] <balloons> czajkowski, I'd use vlc.. the green thing sounds like a conflicting codec issue
[14:41] <czajkowski> balloons: on 5 downloads:/
[14:41] <Daviey> czajkowski: using 12.04?
[14:41] <popey>  6356 alan      20   0  698m  33m 5236 R   83  0.4  22:58.31 gwibber-service
[14:41] <popey> :(
[14:41] <czajkowski> popey: what does the totem icon look like
[14:41] <czajkowski> it says it's installed
[14:41] <czajkowski> but no can find :/
[14:41] <popey> movie player
[14:42] <czajkowski> Daviey: 12.10 with precise kernel
[14:42] <czajkowski> popey: ahhh
[14:42] <Daviey> on 12.04, using nvidia binary drivers... I get green/blue flash videos
[14:42] <czajkowski> yes
[14:43] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/.cache/gwibber/avatars$ ls | wc -l
[14:43] <popey> 24327
[14:43] <popey> :S
[14:43] <knome> Daviey, right-click, go to settings and disable hardware acceleration?
[14:45] <Daviey> knome: Sounds like an awesome fix! :)
[14:45] <knome> Daviey, worked for me
[14:54] <AlanBell> Bug #967091 | Daviey
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967091 in adobe-flashplugin (Ubuntu) "Wrong tint in flash when it uses video acceleration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967091
[14:58] <czajkowski> wow filed back in march and 2 cycles later still not fixed :/
[14:58] <czajkowski> over 500 people affected :(
[15:08] <Daviey> adobe rocks!
[15:17] <balloons> ohh.. lol, that's the bug
[15:17] <balloons> that's ok.. flash containers don't like to load anymore for me
[15:18] <balloons> I consider it a feature, in general
[15:43] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I understand it has been fixed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/libvdpau/0.4.1-6ubuntu1
[15:43] <AlanBell> bug 668512
[15:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 668512 in GCalctool "Positive fractional power of zero is not undefined" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668512
[15:43] <AlanBell> debian bug 668512
[15:43] <ubot2> Debian bug 668512 in libvdpau "libvdpau: patch to fix Adobe Flash Player crashes and blue tint" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/668512
[15:43] <AlanBell> that didn't close the launchpad version of the bug
[15:44] <AlanBell> so Daviey, stop using old and busted 12.04 and move to the new hotness that is 12.10
[15:45] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I'm on 12.10
[15:46] <AlanBell> do you have smurfs?
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, balloons, dholbach, jcastro_, dpm setting it up now
[16:01] <dpm> ok
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, balloons, dholbach, jcastro_, dpm invite sent
[16:02] <balloons> awesome
[16:20] <dpm> oops
[17:25] <nhandler> It is always nice when you start off an interview with the interviewer thanking you for your contributions to Ubuntu/Debian :)
[17:36] <technoviking> nhandler: :)
[17:47] <cprofitt> nhandler: nice
[17:49] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:55] <nhandler> Thanks technoviking and cprofitt
[18:24] <jono> balloons, ready?
[18:25] <jono> balloons, the call with Mark went over, hence being a bit late
[18:25] <balloons> no worries..
[18:25] <balloons> let's roll
[18:26] <jono> balloons, setting it up now
[18:27] <jono> balloons, invite sent
[20:34] <bkerensa> jono: Do you have a quick second
[20:47]  * AlanBell tries to get summit working for UDS Saucy Sealion
[21:08] <technoviking> AlanBell: Please let that be that name
[21:10]  * popey tickles technoviking 
[21:30] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/ I should get rid of that pumpkin now
[22:01] <IdleOne> AlanBell: the speed the camera moves at is impressive
[22:16] <AlanBell> it is a good toy
[22:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: jon says put th camera back up
[22:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell: he;s just gone and bought two!
[22:27] <AlanBell> heh
[22:27] <AlanBell> I might get another one
[22:27] <czajkowski> AlanBell: please go to the door and wave at him
[22:27] <czajkowski> he's such a child
[22:27] <AlanBell> need one for the back so that the chickens can be seen
[22:27] <czajkowski> LOL
[22:27] <czajkowski> thanks AlanBell
[22:27] <czajkowski> I love IRC
[22:28] <AlanBell> a remote control AlanBell
[22:28] <czajkowski> AlanBell: where is the code hosted ?
[22:28] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you just made his evening
[22:28] <czajkowski> come back into surrey channel! :D
[22:29] <AlanBell> the server it is running on is right next to the camera, just behind the window
[22:29] <AlanBell> the code is rubbish, but here https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/+junk/camcontrol
[22:29] <czajkowski> thank you
[22:30] <AlanBell> I fully intend to fix that code so that other people can actually use it sensibly
[22:30] <czajkowski> nods
[22:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: come to #surrey @D
[22:30] <czajkowski> :)
[22:30] <AlanBell> that isn't on freenode, which network is it again?
[22:30] <czajkowski> irc.lug.org.uk