[00:29] bkerensa: if Steam is packaged correctly, you should not need ia32-libs ☺ [00:29] JanC: clearly this is not that case [00:29] or is the beta distributed as a tarball for now? [00:29] anyone using amd64 had to install ia32-libs [00:30] JanC: no its a .deb but clearly something is not solid with debian/control [00:30] and they also made it obviously easy to use steam without any invite [00:30] somebody should tell the packager about multiarch ☺ [00:31] had to install 32 [00:32] well, it's a beta, they have time to fix it [00:38] Unless they get mad that we hacked it [00:38] * philballew says hacked loosely [00:41] we didnt hack [00:41] its just a loop hole [00:41] run it from terminal and it doesnt check for a invite [00:41] * cjohnston has tons of stuff to work on, but I can't... too many distractions [00:41] thats not even modding [00:41] cjohnston: Take the day off [00:41] :P [00:42] * cjohnston doesn't have time to take a day off [00:42] unless your gonna start fixing summit bugs [00:42] This is why we can't have nice things [00:43] Summit? [00:43] steam [00:43] summit is really nice [00:43] my python code would make it no so nice though..... [00:47] philballew: why is it we cant have nice things? [00:48] people make linux look bad this way. not that I have a problem with it, i just wonder if the steam people dislike this [00:49] there is nothing bad about it [00:49] people are literally just running the app with no changes to code or any modding [00:49] and I think "Linux" has lots of nice things [00:50] whens the last time you had a virus? Ask a friend who uses Windows the same thing? [00:51] bkerensa, I agree. never had a virus. I was just saying if steam might not like this being done [00:51] they might not care, I have no idea [00:52] philballew: im sure they are well aware of it and if they do care they will patch their binary [00:53] might be intentional [01:01] I never had a virus on Windows [01:01] I had a virus on MS-DOS once [01:02] :P [01:03] then went on to read about virussen and wrote a couple viruses myself (very simple ones, and never released publicly, of course) [01:04] people who think Ubuntu/linux is completely safe from viruses is pretty wrong BTW [01:06] JanC: its not safe from them but there has not been anything terrible yet [01:07] JanC: Ubuntu not having viruses was a marketing pitch on Ubuntu.com a few cycles back [01:08] currently there are (almost) no viruses/malware that work on Ubuntu [01:08] which is to some degree because of apparmor and "hardening" compiler options and the like [01:09] but it's mostly because of numbers [02:06] hi everyone [02:07] jcastro_, \o [03:01] akgraner: we can get Rick and Steve on air, but we've already had them (steve in the first session, and rick during the marathon), cc. jcastro_ [03:03] which steve? [03:03] Langasek [03:03] ah yeah [03:03] abuse him [03:03] Rick I think once a cycle is enough [03:04] the other engineering managers I see as fair game. :) [03:04] akgraner: ^ [03:04] we also need to define dates [03:05] * JoseeAntonioR votes for weekends, people are mostly free those days, and we can get a bigger audience [03:11] I can't speak for them [03:11] but I am pretty sure getting employees to check in on the weekends will be a very tough sell [03:12] right, we would need to ask first [03:12] maybe an hour or less wouldn't affect, but we would need to ask [04:02] jcastro_: steve is a very busy guy [04:04] that's exactly why we need to define dates, and ask them a couple weeks beforehans [04:04] beforehand* [08:00] good morning [08:02] good morning dh.olbach [08:03] hi chilicuil [08:05] Buenos días Senor dholbach y chilicuil [08:06] bkerensa, hola muchacho [08:06] :D [08:06] señor* ;) bkerensa, good morning for you guys, hola muchachos* [08:07] well, it's 2am here.., I'll leave installing ubuntu raring.., I'm going to bed ~.~/ [08:09] dholbach: you developed harvest? Has there been any consideration to add age filtering to it? [08:10] age filtering? [08:10] like an opportunity which has been around for too long? [08:11] yeah or just filtering to display only fresh opportunities [08:11] I guess in reality if something has become irrelevant or old it should just be triaged [08:11] no, it was never discussed [08:11] hmm [08:11] you can file a bug for it [08:11] kk [08:11] but nobody has been working on harvest for a while [08:28] * popey wonders what starts this... root 10505 33.0 0.1 52036 9896 ? Rs 08:27 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/twistd --nodaemon --uid 1000 --gid 1000 --logfile /home/alan/juju/alan-sample/storage-server.log --pidfile= -d /home/alan/juju/alan-sample/files web --port tcp:53604:interface=192.168.122.1 --path /home/alan/juju/alan-sample/files [08:33] juju looks confusing [08:33] its respawning over and over, killing my laptop [08:35] yeah, seem's odd to be a juju thing. might be something tied in with that [08:35] * philballew feels sorry for popey 's battery [08:35] well its clearly juju related :) [08:35] the thing that spawns it dies so I can't see what the process which started it is [08:35] juju was removed [08:36] I can see it's juju, just seems odd popey [08:37] This is why we can't have nice things... [08:38] your running juju on your laptop though? [08:38] i was, not any more [08:38] aha! [08:38] eureka! [08:39] found it in /etc/init [09:17] aloha [09:18] hello [09:31] popey: is that lcx creating virtual machines? mine did that for ages [09:32] lxc is something else [09:34] juju brought my load up to 15 once [09:34] AlanBell, i was using juju with lxc yes. [09:39] philballew: you were probably using the deboostrap version? [09:40] popey: that will be /etc/init/juju-alan-local-file-storage.conf [09:40] and juju-alan-local-machine-agent.conf [09:40] and I don't even have to translate the filenames \o/ [09:44] Daviey, totally was [09:45] :) [09:47] well I was bootstraping a lot of things [10:03] philballew: juju now uses the cloud images, so it's a better experience [10:04] ah, seems nicer. [10:04] my home server is a pentium4 so not much runs well on that [10:21] * popey wonders why bkerensa is recommending people install ia32-libs on omg [10:22] popey: because the .deb does not install the needed dependencies for amd64 [10:22] works fine once ia32-libs is installed [10:22] but we're multi-arch now, ia32-libs isn't the way to fix that [10:23] people should install the specific packages required [10:23] popey: I realize were multi-arch [10:23] ia32-libs is a horrid mess to have people install [10:25] popey: force installing the depends does not resolve it [10:25] I'm not suggesting force installing anything [10:25] just apt-get install :i386 [10:25] for each i386 package required [10:26] which does work, I've had it running like that for some time, and have not got ia32-libs installed [10:29] sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 libstdc++6:i386 libx11-6:i386 libxau6:i386 libxcb1:i386 libxdmcp6:i386 [10:29] that lot [10:29] I thought there was much more than that? [10:29] no? [10:29] those are the main deps of the steam binary [10:29] there may be some others [10:29] k [10:32] popey: libjpeg-turbo8:i386 libcurl3gnutls:i386 libogg0:i386 libpixman-1-0:i386 libsdl1.2debian:i386 libtheora0:i386 libvorbis0a:i386 libvorbisenc2:i386 libvorbisfile3:i386 libasound2:i386 [10:33] thats what I found [10:33] looks good [10:35] popey: there updated [10:37] sweet! thanks [10:38] popey: to the rescue ;0 [10:38] :) [10:49] popey: ahh see something is odd in their control because it said it just needed those but then prompts for install -f which installs all the transitioned libraries in ia32-libs anyways [10:58] ew [11:01] popey: do you know if this will always be closed source? [11:04] the steam client? [11:05] thats a question for valve [11:05] ahh [11:05] k [11:05] why would they open source it? [11:05] as long as it can bring some gamers to linux, i don't care if it's closed source [11:05] well they could open source portions [11:06] like debian/ [11:06] in this case it might help resolving depends issues if we could see debian/control === glebihan__ is now known as glebihan [12:58] buenas mornings! [13:05] boyakasha! [13:06] ok so serious sam3 is pretty fun [13:12] Morning jcastro_! [13:45] bkerensa: didn't Canonical help them package it? [13:53] valve are aware of the packaging issues [13:55] from reading their forums it looks like it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be [13:55] like, a bunch of little issues [13:55] but nothing catastrophic [13:58] do we have those issues collated somewhere? we have contact with valve and can pass them on [13:59] popey: is there a Launchpad project for it? [13:59] no [13:59] we have a private mailing list on which it gets discussed [13:59] could we make up with Valve as the upstream? [14:00] i dont think they want that [14:01] popey: can we currently collect crash data for them with apport? [14:03] popey: valve has a forum for the beta where people are reporting bugs [14:04] indeed [14:04] use the forums :) [14:04] * popey shudders a little [14:14] what, no wiki? [14:14] * jcastro_ can't tell if you're being serious or joking. [14:14] :) [14:20] should be a load more beta keys going out today [14:20] only a few went out yesterday [14:22] I just installed it.. couldn't remember my password, and the only way to reset was to use the client.. heh [14:25] heh I had the exact problem [14:25] we have a hangout today right balloons? [14:25] popey: you mean they haven't all bypassed it via reddit? [14:25] impatient buggers [14:26] jcastro_, yes we should [14:27] my calendar is a mess due to the time zone switch [14:27] why o why can't google get it right.. [14:27] maybe because my local clock is in UTC? I don't know [14:27] can someone mention me pls? [14:28] popey, popey popey popey popey popey popey popey popey [14:28] hmm [14:28] i set xchat to beep [14:28] it failed to beep [14:28] popey: [14:28] hey popey [14:28] popey: [14:29] oh, no sounds defined [14:29] popey, do you have a sound file for th ebeep? [14:29] lol [14:29] well thats dumb [14:29] balloons, [14:30] popey, [14:31] popey: [14:31] hmm, wonder where the bark sound is [14:33] what no cat [14:33] record sky [14:34] /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/message-new-instant.oga will do [14:35] * popey scraps that idea [14:35] xchat just plays white noise [14:38] bah why wont HD videos play nicely on my laptop :/ [14:38] VLC makes people turn green [14:38] m player goes slow and then loses sound and then is fine again [14:38] most annoying [14:39] i just use totem these days [14:40] hmm [14:40] shall try that [14:40] if I have to ask jon to use his to watch my movies I'll never hear the end of it [14:41] are they 720p or 1080p? [14:41] czajkowski, I'd use vlc.. the green thing sounds like a conflicting codec issue [14:41] balloons: on 5 downloads:/ [14:41] czajkowski: using 12.04? [14:41] 6356 alan 20 0 698m 33m 5236 R 83 0.4 22:58.31 gwibber-service [14:41] :( [14:41] popey: what does the totem icon look like [14:41] it says it's installed [14:41] but no can find :/ [14:41] movie player [14:42] Daviey: 12.10 with precise kernel [14:42] popey: ahhh [14:42] on 12.04, using nvidia binary drivers... I get green/blue flash videos [14:42] yes [14:43] alan@deep-thought:~/.cache/gwibber/avatars$ ls | wc -l [14:43] 24327 [14:43] :S [14:43] Daviey, right-click, go to settings and disable hardware acceleration? [14:45] knome: Sounds like an awesome fix! :) [14:45] Daviey, worked for me [14:54] Bug #967091 | Daviey [14:54] Launchpad bug 967091 in adobe-flashplugin (Ubuntu) "Wrong tint in flash when it uses video acceleration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967091 [14:58] wow filed back in march and 2 cycles later still not fixed :/ [14:58] over 500 people affected :( [15:08] adobe rocks! [15:17] ohh.. lol, that's the bug [15:17] that's ok.. flash containers don't like to load anymore for me [15:18] I consider it a feature, in general [15:43] czajkowski: I understand it has been fixed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/libvdpau/0.4.1-6ubuntu1 [15:43] bug 668512 [15:43] Launchpad bug 668512 in GCalctool "Positive fractional power of zero is not undefined" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668512 [15:43] debian bug 668512 [15:43] Debian bug 668512 in libvdpau "libvdpau: patch to fix Adobe Flash Player crashes and blue tint" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/668512 [15:43] that didn't close the launchpad version of the bug [15:44] so Daviey, stop using old and busted 12.04 and move to the new hotness that is 12.10 [15:45] AlanBell: I'm on 12.10 [15:46] do you have smurfs? [16:00] dholbach, balloons, dholbach, jcastro_, dpm setting it up now [16:01] ok [16:01] dholbach, balloons, dholbach, jcastro_, dpm invite sent [16:02] awesome [16:20] oops [17:25] It is always nice when you start off an interview with the interviewer thanking you for your contributions to Ubuntu/Debian :) [17:36] nhandler: :) [17:47] nhandler: nice [17:49] alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! [17:55] Thanks technoviking and cprofitt [18:24] balloons, ready? [18:25] balloons, the call with Mark went over, hence being a bit late [18:25] no worries.. [18:25] let's roll [18:26] balloons, setting it up now [18:27] balloons, invite sent [20:34] jono: Do you have a quick second [20:47] * AlanBell tries to get summit working for UDS Saucy Sealion [21:08] AlanBell: Please let that be that name [21:10] * popey tickles technoviking [21:30] http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/ I should get rid of that pumpkin now [22:01] AlanBell: the speed the camera moves at is impressive [22:16] it is a good toy [22:24] AlanBell: jon says put th camera back up [22:26] AlanBell: he;s just gone and bought two! [22:27] heh [22:27] I might get another one [22:27] AlanBell: please go to the door and wave at him [22:27] he's such a child [22:27] need one for the back so that the chickens can be seen [22:27] LOL [22:27] thanks AlanBell [22:27] I love IRC [22:28] a remote control AlanBell [22:28] AlanBell: where is the code hosted ? [22:28] AlanBell: you just made his evening [22:28] come back into surrey channel! :D [22:29] the server it is running on is right next to the camera, just behind the window [22:29] the code is rubbish, but here https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/+junk/camcontrol [22:29] thank you [22:30] I fully intend to fix that code so that other people can actually use it sensibly [22:30] nods [22:30] AlanBell: come to #surrey @D [22:30] :) [22:30] that isn't on freenode, which network is it again? [22:30] irc.lug.org.uk === glebihan__ is now known as glebihan