[05:22] <Kilos> morning peeps
[05:30] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[05:30] <Kilos> morning inetpro jrgns 
[05:31] <Kilos> the 3g auto connect bug has kept peeps busy for a while hey
[05:31] <Kilos> just mailed the latest workaround to our lists
[05:32] <Kilos> you wet the bed inetpro ?
[06:15] <Kilos> oh my hi superfly 
[06:15] <Kilos> net messing around
[06:15] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:19] <bakuman> O_O morning all
[06:19] <Kilos> hi bakuman 
[06:20] <bakuman> :D
[06:22] <Kilos> oh thats same as :-D
[06:22] <Kilos> i gotta go look on pidgin what they are
[06:22] <Kilos> ian must think im mad
[06:24] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:24] <bakuman> good morning mazal 
[06:30] <Kilos> hi mazal you having probs hey
[06:30] <mazal> Lo oom Kilos , sjoe ja
[06:31] <mazal> I'm ok now , back on 12.04 , but the future not looking good
[06:31] <Kilos> what pc you got that you battling so much
[06:31] <Kilos> wb jrgns you got sick net again
[06:32] <Kilos> mazal, have you tried kde
[06:32] <Kilos> or you also a gnome person
[06:33] <mazal> Kilo's that's the worst of it all , I have a brand new pc with proper hardware. I5 , 16gig ram , Radeon HD 5450 1 gig
[06:33] <mazal> Yeah I was on KDE before , but didn't like it much
[06:33] <Kilos> wow that must fly
[06:34] <mazal> Yeah on 12.04 it's very sweet :)
[06:34] <bakuman> pfff, that's entry level O_O
[06:34] <Kilos> lol compared to me bakuman 
[06:34] <bakuman> just joking, better than mine :D
[06:35] <bakuman> what problems did you have mazal? hw drivers?
[06:35] <Kilos> dont you read our lists bakuman ?
[06:36] <bakuman> no, i'm too lazy
[06:36] <Kilos> lol
[06:36] <bakuman> I just use them of my name was mentioned
[06:36] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w 
[06:36] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[06:36] <Maaz> inetpro: There isn't a pot on
[06:37] <inetpro> put it on damnit!
[06:37] <Kilos> i learned lots from other peeps fixes in the mails
[06:37] <Kilos> lol
[06:37] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[06:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:37] <Maaz> Kilos: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[06:37] <Kilos> eish
[06:37]  * inetpro woke up to early this morn
[06:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[06:37] <Kilos> i noticed
[06:38] <bakuman> Kilos, you meen mailing list?
[06:38] <Kilos> yes bakuman 
[06:38] <bakuman> not on the list, link?
[06:38] <Kilos> mazal, been trying to get help there fo a while now
[06:38] <Kilos> sec
[06:38] <bakuman> MOAAARRR spam
[06:38] <Kilos> no man our list is clean
[06:38] <bakuman> haha
[06:39] <bakuman> pff not after I join :D
[06:39] <Kilos> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:39] <Kilos> well flame war you
[06:39] <bakuman> we'll :D
[06:40] <Kilos> we got some good hackers here they crack you up
[06:40] <bakuman> hohoho D:
[06:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[06:41] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[06:41] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[06:41] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie oom
[06:41] <Maaz> inetpro: What?
[06:41] <inetpro> ai
[06:42] <Kilos> ek maak reg
[06:42] <inetpro> stadig vandag
[06:42] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie oom
[06:42] <Maaz> Geniet boetie
[06:42] <inetpro> lol
[06:43] <Kilos> yo nlsthzn 
[06:43] <Kilos> wb
[06:44] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos 
[06:50]  * nlsthzn has Steam for Linux installed
[06:51]  * Kilos making cully and lice for next 3 days
[06:52] <Kilos> funyy we got no chinese visit here
[06:52] <Kilos> funny too
[06:52] <Kilos> and our ruskies have deserted
[06:53]  * nlsthzn could murder a currie right now
[06:53] <nlsthzn> curry even
[06:54] <Kilos> ya
[06:54] <Kilos> pull in
[06:54] <Kilos> you havent tried my recipe nlsthzn 
[06:55] <Kilos> only the peeps on pidgin have
[06:55] <nlsthzn> no uncle Kilos ...
[06:55] <bakuman> nlsthzn, so you got accepted to the beta? :(
[06:55] <nlsthzn> nope bakuman 
[06:55] <nlsthzn> you want in?
[06:55] <bakuman> yes :D
[06:55] <nlsthzn> bakuman, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/reddit-users-bypass-valve-linux-beta-invitations
[06:55] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos , I use empathy
[06:56] <Kilos> lol 
[06:56] <Kilos> i dunno if you will get the ingredients there
[06:56] <bakuman> Oo
[06:56] <bakuman> :D
[06:56] <nlsthzn> I still can't get tf2 installed but I have a list of 18 linux games that I can install via Steam (all the Humble Bundle games I registered with steam)
[06:58] <bakuman> ahh nice, I should have about hte same amount then
[06:59] <nlsthzn> coo
[06:59] <nlsthzn> *cool
[07:43] <Trixar_za> Sweet
[07:43] <Trixar_za> Xgnokii wouldn't get all the sms on the device
[07:43] <Trixar_za> So I'm using Gnocky
[07:44] <Trixar_za> Now I can check my sms while connected to 3G :)
[07:45] <Trixar_za> And sending works too
[07:45] <Trixar_za> Nice
[07:51] <Kilos> where you found that trix
[07:51] <Kilos> Trixar_za, 
[07:51] <Kilos> its a pain them smses on the 3g modem sim
[07:52] <Kilos> i had to install modem on windows and then check them
[07:53] <Trixar_za> Well, it uses gnokii
[07:53] <Trixar_za> There is a trick to it
[07:53] <Kilos> the prepaid-manager-applet shows available airtime, not data or smses
[07:54] <Kilos> theres a trick to everything
[07:55] <Kilos> but my modem is an alcatel anyway
[07:55] <Trixar_za> http://www.getdeb.net/software/Gnocky
[07:56] <Trixar_za> http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Config#From_other_vendors
[07:56] <Trixar_za> I have a ZTE modem
[07:56] <Trixar_za> but my experience is that I can use ttyUSB3 for 3G
[07:56] <Trixar_za> and ttyUSB1 for SMS
[07:56] <Kilos> mine be a STC
[07:57] <Kilos> ty i look at links
[07:57] <Trixar_za> Now I will never miss another sms
[07:58] <Kilos> lol its a pain hey
[07:58] <Trixar_za> I might have lost out on going to Linkin Park tonight because of it :(
[07:58] <Trixar_za> Hence the reason I set this up
[07:58] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:58] <Kilos> aw
[08:03] <Kilos> no alcatel modems shown
[08:03] <Kilos> never mind
[08:27] <Squirm> hello
[08:39] <Kilos> hi Squirm y
[08:56] <charlvn> good morning
[08:57] <charlvn> wow i was so tired yesterday evening i didn't even log off :)
[08:57] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:57]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:57] <charlvn> need some caffiene to wake up :P
[09:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[09:06] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[09:23] <Symmetria> Kilos the guy I called is looking at it
[09:23] <Symmetria> trying to see what he can do
[09:24] <Kilos> hey ty very much Symmetria , howd your presentation go?
[09:28] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[09:28] <Maaz> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[09:28] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[09:28]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[09:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[09:32] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[09:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:32] <Squirm> Maaz: I wanted to cups :/
[09:32] <Maaz> Squirm: What?
[09:32] <Squirm> but thanks
[09:32] <Kilos> hehe
[09:32] <Kilos> you fulla
[09:33] <Kilos> what happene at the polo Squirm 
[09:33] <Kilos> you got beat?
[09:33] <Squirm> maybe
[09:34] <Kilos> maybe?
[09:34] <Kilos> didnt you keep score
[10:12] <charlvn> tumbleweed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1339422/
[10:12] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[10:12] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[10:12] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[10:14] <charlvn> hmm, bottom part got chopped off
[10:14] <charlvn> tumbleweed: sorry this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1339433/
[10:14] <charlvn> tumbleweed: i don't know if this is a good solution or not, maybe it's ugly, but lemme know what you think
[10:14] <charlvn> tumbleweed: basically i just rewrote what i did in java but into python
[10:15] <Kilos> hmm
[10:15] <Kilos> you do python too?
[10:15] <Kilos> why didnt you do it in python to start with
[10:15] <charlvn> Kilos: because i don't like it :)
[10:15] <charlvn> Kilos: and i had some existing java code to build on top of
[10:16] <Kilos> aha
[10:16] <Kilos> you like nuvolari hes a java man
[10:16] <charlvn> Kilos: just the way i have to print that exception to the stderr is very ugly
[10:17] <Kilos> i dunno pretty from ugly in code
[10:17] <Kilos> all ugly . hurts head
[10:17] <charlvn> actually, i was doing that wrong, i had an extra print in there
[10:17] <charlvn> this is the right way: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1339438/
[10:18] <charlvn> only noticed it now
[10:18] <charlvn> but print_exception(*exc_info()) is very ugly
[10:18] <charlvn> in java it's just exception.printStackTrace()
[10:18] <charlvn> ok i'm off bbl
[10:18] <Kilos> just as ugly man
[10:18] <Kilos> later
[10:38] <Trixar_za> Yay
[10:38] <Trixar_za> I'm going to Linkin Park
[10:38] <Kilos> whats happening there
[10:46] <tumbleweed> charlvn: yeah, I'd like to avoid scraping if possible
[10:58] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you like curry?
[10:58] <nlsthzn> yup
[10:58] <Kilos> do you get canned goods made by golddish or koo there
[10:59] <Kilos> both made a great vegetable curry in cans you can enjoy straight outa the tin
[10:59] <Kilos> or add to a mince you fried
[11:01] <Kilos> or the canned goods there like saudi? you cant understand whats in them
[11:01] <Kilos> hehe
[11:02] <Kilos> zeref, no hmm today?
[11:02] <Kilos> you sick
[11:08] <zeref> Kilos: lol
[11:08] <zeref> yeah something is in my throat
[11:09] <zeref> so hmmmm, sounds like hurrm&*%^%^#@#!%mmmmmm
[11:12] <nlsthzn> we sometimes get some SA stuff but not easy
[11:17] <charlvn> tumbleweed: yeah i thought as much; well anycase, that's what i managed to cook up :)
[11:21] <charlvn> ls
[11:21] <charlvn> gah!!!
[11:21] <charlvn> :)
[11:24] <mazal> Is bakuman still around ?
[11:26] <bakuman> nope O_O
[11:26] <mazal> Sorry man I see you asked me a question but I was running around all morning
[11:27] <bakuman> Oh, I cannot remember :D
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:27] <mazal> You wanted to know what I was struggling with
[11:27] <bakuman> ahh
[11:28] <Kilos> about drivers with 12.10 and his i5 pc
[11:28] <mazal> Oom Kilos there was so may issues I can't even remember them all LOL
[11:28] <bakuman> haha
[11:28] <Kilos> lol
[11:28] <mazal> Some on 12.10 and 1 on 1.04
[11:28] <mazal> 12.04 even
[11:29] <Kilos> but when booting from cd it looks fine till you have installed hey?
[11:29] <mazal> 12.10 My issues were: dreadfully slow , extremely buggy , apps struggling to run or not running at all and Nvidia drivers not working
[11:29] <mazal> That was on the old dual core
[11:30] <mazal> Then the i5 caem and I went back to 12.04
[11:30] <mazal> Only 1 issue there , can;t image at all
[11:30] <mazal> Neither Redo or clonezilla works
[11:30] <mazal> And I also picked up an issue for the future
[11:30] <mazal> Only unity 2d is available until I install the ATI drivers 
[11:31] <Kilos> ya i had same here with nvidia on 12.04
[11:31] <mazal> So I wondered in version that don't have unity 2d at all , how one would install and get up and running to actually install the drivers
[11:31] <Kilos> nvidia-current didnt even work, had to use nvidia 173
[11:31] <mazal> So it has been a very frustrating and struggling week
[11:32] <Kilos> they have another way
[11:32] <Kilos> read mail
[11:32] <Kilos> from peter nel
[11:32] <mazal> Now I am fine back on 12.04 , apart from imaging that don't work. And that can not be ubuntu related
[11:32] <mazal> Not that I know of
[11:33] <mazal> For imaging Kilos ?
[11:34] <Kilos> no about the new way unity is gonna work without the 2d option
[11:34] <Kilos> answer to your mail
[11:35] <mazal> Ah yes I have read that  , sounds like it will do software rendering untill you install the divers , if I understand correctly
[11:35] <Kilos> what is imaging?
[11:35] <mazal> Cloning
[11:35] <Kilos> of what?
[11:35] <mazal> Making an image of the whole hdd
[11:36] <mazal> To restore in case of disaster
[11:36] <Kilos> remastersys
[11:36] <mazal> No that makes an iso
[11:36] <mazal> For re-install
[11:36] <mazal> Imaging make a full duplicate
[11:36] <mazal> like dd
[11:36] <Kilos> oh like raid drives
[11:36] <mazal> But dd not an option on a 2TB drive
[11:37] <Kilos> whew thats large ya
[11:37] <mazal> I always used Redo , but that refuse to work now
[11:37] <mazal> Have no idea why
[11:37] <mazal> Even tried the latest clonezilla , no go
[11:38] <Kilos> whats google say
[11:38] <mazal> So for now I will have to rely on my Remastersys .iso and rsynced backups of important data
[11:38] <mazal> Google say tons of apps for Windows , but only Redo , clonezilla and dd for linux
[11:39] <mazal> What I could find anyway , dunno if I missed one
[11:39] <Kilos> no i mean if you google clonezilla and redo dont work
[11:39] <Kilos> on 12.04
[11:39] <Kilos> maybe someone else has had same prob and been helped
[11:40] <mazal> I don't think it's an Ubuntu issue. Both of them is lice cd's you boot with. Ubuntu not even started whn you use it
[11:40] <Kilos> ah
[11:40] <mazal> live even
[11:40] <Kilos> lol
[11:40] <Kilos> you dvd is faulty
[11:41] <Kilos> try making a live usb stick
[11:41] <mazal> It works fine in Ubuntu. I burned dvd's with it , and read some other disks without an issue
[11:41] <Kilos> ah
[11:42] <mazal> And clonezilla start up fine , so the dvd is ok. But when it actually starts the image it just says "an error occured"
[11:42] <mazal> Redo just hangs halfway booting
[11:42] <Kilos> ai
[11:42] <mazal> Must be hardware related
[11:42] <mazal> But I don't know what
[11:42] <mazal> Both the source hdd and target hdd works fine in ubuntu during normal use
[11:43] <Kilos> doesnt it give the option to report the prob
[11:43] <mazal> If either of those were faulty I would have issues in normal use as well.
[11:44] <mazal> I think I will have to a. look at these apps support forum or b. send them a message
[11:44] <Kilos> yeah maybe they know about the issue
[11:44] <mazal> The only thing left that it can be is the m/board
[11:45] <mazal> Maybe neither is compatible
[11:48] <Kilos> something in bios settings?
[11:48] <Kilos> what you mean mb
[11:50] <Kilos> or the way you got dvd connected
[11:52] <mazal> No I just mean that the software might not be compatible with my model m/board
[11:53] <mazal> Or maybe the dvd-rom doesn't like the type of disks
[11:53] <mazal> So many little things it can be
[11:53] <mazal> Things I'm gonna try a different make disc
[11:54] <Kilos> interesting to work out what though
[11:55] <Kilos> i actually battled to install 12.04 from my dvd here and brought a cdrom and went fine
[11:55] <Kilos> tried 2 dvdrom
[11:55] <Kilos> thats why i got kde onna stick
[11:56] <Kilos> why not make an iso of the dvd and put onna stick
[11:56] <mazal> Good idea !! Never thought about that test
[11:56] <Kilos> there must be a way around
[11:57] <mazal> Ok I'm gonna test both , try a different make disc and also the usb boot
[12:19] <mazal> This thing is just out to irritate me
[12:20] <mazal> Now it keeps mounting my stick as read-only , so I can't transfer the iso to it
[12:22] <Kilos> lol
[12:22] <Kilos> chown the stick
[12:22] <Kilos> you like me. as jy kan sukkel , sal jy
[12:22] <Kilos> hehe
[12:23] <mazal> Ubuntu refuse to do the chown or chmod
[12:25] <mazal> It completes the command without error , but the disk stays read-only and the permissions don't change **sug**
[12:25] <Kilos> whats on the disc
[12:26] <mazal> nothing
[12:26] <Kilos> path?
[12:26] <Kilos> sudo chown mazal:mazal path to stick
[12:27] <Kilos> how can the stick be the boss
[12:27] <bakuman> Kilos, if something is mounted as read-only, you cannot just chown
[12:28] <mazal> Formatted it
[12:28] <mazal> Even tried deleting the partition and creating a new one
[12:28] <mazal> It stays read only
[12:28] <Kilos> how you get around the prob then bakuman 
[12:28] <bakuman> hmm... mount if commandline as rw?
[12:29] <mazal> Nevermind , I quickly did it on my Windows pc
[12:30] <Kilos> lol
[12:30] <mazal> At least there everything works
[12:30] <Kilos> yo mixnovich 
[12:30] <Kilos> eeeeew
[12:30] <mixnovich> yo Kilos 
[12:30] <mazal> Now when I boot with the stick I just get "boot error"
[12:30] <mazal> So there goes that plan anyway
[12:30] <mazal> USB doesn't work with redo
[12:31] <Kilos> must work
[12:32] <Kilos> you didnt get stick setup properly
[12:32] <Kilos> use startup disk creator and check again
[12:33] <mazal> Yeg I'm getting really irritated with all still struggling the past week
[12:33] <mazal> Can't , Ubuntu refuse to use the disk'
[12:34] <Kilos> oh my
[12:34] <mazal> Read only in ubuntu mos
[12:34] <mazal> Sjoe I have to go , very bad weather here
[12:34] <mazal> Big thunderstorm
[12:35] <Kilos> what about the little switch on the stick
[12:35] <Kilos> just went past here
[12:35] <mazal> There's no switch
[12:35] <Kilos> 10 drops rain
[12:35] <mazal> Bye oom Kilo's , bye all , see you again
[12:35] <Kilos> toods lad
[12:44] <Kilos> bakuman, how can the stick decide whose the boss
[12:45] <bakuman> the person who mounts it? i dont know O_O
[12:46] <Kilos> hehe
[13:30] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:31] <bakuman> hi
[13:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[13:35] <magespawn> whats up peeps?
[13:36] <Kilos> temps
[13:36] <Kilos> summer has arrived
[13:36] <Kilos> whats up by you?
[13:41] <magespawn> not much fighting trying to get internet cafe software to run properly
[13:42] <Kilos> ai
[13:42] <magespawn> had a bit of rain, so has cooled down a bit
[13:45] <Kilos> what kinda software magespawn 
[13:46] <magespawn> was trying mkahawa
[13:47] <Kilos> what must the software do?
[13:49] <Kilos> wb Kerbero 
[14:02] <Kilos> magespawn, this kinda stuff
[14:03] <Kilos> http://ptf.com/internet/internet+cafe+timer+ubuntu/
[14:04] <magespawn> let me see
[14:05] <Kilos> oh maaz found more
[14:05] <Kilos> http://www.filebuzz.com/findsoftware/Linux_Ubuntu_Cyber_Cafe_Debian_Files/1.html
[14:06] <Kilos> what must it do time the peeps or what
[14:08] <Kilos> or swear at them when they make mistakes
[14:09] <Kilos> or do naughty things
[14:11] <magespawn> yup and control the session and printing etc, there is also zencafe
[14:13] <Kilos> sjoe you got your work cut out for you
[14:19] <mazal> Oom Kilos I have some quick feedback
[14:19] <Kilos> tell mazal 
[14:19] <mazal> Ubuntu startup disc creator doesn't work
[14:20] <mazal> It only excepts "certain" iso's
[14:20] <Kilos> does it say why?
[14:20] <mazal> That's the way they build it I guess
[14:20] <Kilos> did you use ubuntu to make the iso
[14:20] <mazal> So , back at home , on a different pc and different stick I tried unetbootin again
[14:21] <Kilos> ok
[14:21] <mazal> This time it was successful
[14:21] <Kilos> whew
[14:21] <mazal> This is the redo iso btw
[14:21] <mazal> BUT
[14:21] <mazal> Redo boots up from the usb now , but it doesn't even see my internal HDD
[14:21] <mazal> Not even when I go into gparted in Redo
[14:21] <Kilos> oh my
[14:21] <mazal> It only see the stick
[14:21] <Kilos> sata?
[14:22] <mazal> yep
[14:22] <mazal> So
[14:22] <Kilos> eish they terrible things
[14:22] <mazal> I decided to try and boot parted magic
[14:22] <Kilos> ok
[14:22] <mazal> Just for kicks to see what it can see
[14:22] <mazal> Parted magic boots up fine
[14:22] <mazal> And it sees my drive
[14:23] <mazal> I can browse it and all
[14:23] <mazal> So while stumbling about in pm's menus I saw it has clonezilla built-in
[14:23] <Kilos> aha
[14:23] <mazal> So naturaly I ran it to see what is going to happen
[14:24] <Kilos> lol
[14:24] <mazal> It ran without a problem
[14:24] <mazal> So
[14:24] <Kilos> great
[14:24] <mazal> I am convinced that both Redo and CloneZilla's live cd's can not communicate correctly with my m/boards sata interface
[14:24] <mazal> I think that is where the problem is
[14:25] <mazal> I dunno if it is the specific kernel those two use or what , but they just don't see my drive
[14:25] <Kilos> crazy hey
[14:25] <mazal> Strange thing though , the parted magic that does see my drive is an old one of Feb
[14:25] <Kilos> but now you did your imaging thing?
[14:25] <mazal> So how does that make sense , much older kernel , but it sees the drive
[14:25] <mazal> Either way it is defnitely a software issue
[14:26] <mazal> Between my sata controller and the OS it seems
[14:26] <Kilos> where did you get the redo cd
[14:26] <mazal> Downloaded from the net
[14:26] <mazal> Excellent image app
[14:26] <mazal> Apart from the fact that it doesn't work with my new pc that is :P
[14:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <mazal> It's a much much more straight forward version of clonezilla if I can put it that way
[14:27] <Kilos> is redo the new thing that they made recently
[14:27] <mazal> Fats and easy
[14:27] <mazal> Fast even
[14:27] <Kilos> to take the place of remastersys
[14:27] <mazal> Nope
[14:27] <mazal> It's different , it makes a clone , remastersys makes an iso
[14:28] <mazal> They are quite different
[14:28] <Kilos> but why does it work on one pc and not the new one
[14:28] <Kilos> you missing something somewhere
[14:28] <mazal> Software , littered with bugs.
[14:28] <mazal> This is how things are with software
[14:29] <mazal> For now I will have to go the long route via parted magic and image from there
[14:29] <mazal> And once a new version of Redo comes out test that
[14:30] <Kilos> you sure it wasnt your download that wasnt 100%
[14:30] <mazal> Nope , same iso have been used on lots of other pc's
[14:30] <Kilos> ai
[14:30] <mazal> Ot work who use it to load images on almost 200 pc's already
[14:30] <Kilos> wow
[14:31] <mazal> Yeah , you do a pc's software in like 20min from nothing.
[14:31] <mazal> And this is Windoooze
[14:31] <mazal> What would usually take 2 days
[14:31] <Kilos> eeeek
[14:31] <mazal> Cos all of them are same models and same software
[14:31] <mazal> So we image them all
[14:31] <mazal> Then just activate and correct the ip and pc name and your done
[14:32] <Kilos> thats why you battling with ubuntu
[14:32] <Kilos> your mind is corrupted
[14:32] <mazal> No , all of the cd's are linux software
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:32] <mazal> So it's actually linux making work easier in the ms environment
[14:33] <Kilos> ya but 200 winsucks pcs around you
[14:33] <mazal> At work I have to work on ms , have no choice
[14:33] <mazal> LOL , ya it's terrible I tell ya
[14:33] <Kilos> maybe in the future
[14:33] <mazal> And that is just at one site
[14:33] <Kilos> ouch
[14:33] <mazal> The other one has 75 more of them
[14:33] <Kilos> all in cullinan
[14:34] <mazal> Yep
[14:34] <mazal> Our department actually have a huge network countrywide
[14:34] <Kilos> whewdidnt even know you peeps were past the oxwagon stage yet
[14:34] <mazal> We are small
[14:34] <mazal> Some of our sites have 400+ pc's
[14:34] <Kilos> wow
[14:35] <mazal> And we are not even in town lol
[14:35] <mazal> We are a farm prison just outside of Cullinan
[14:35] <Kilos> thats why no mining gets done , everyone playing on pc all day
[14:36] <mazal> In town we have another "house" with 12 of the ms things
[14:36] <Kilos> you have my sympathy
[14:36] <mazal> Worst part is the users
[14:37] <mazal> But I will leave that right there before I get into trouble :)
[14:37] <Kilos> lol
[14:37] <mazal> Ok oom Kilos ek moet gaan , het selgroep vanaand. Wou net gou kom terugvoer gee
[14:38] <Kilos> but im glad you found a way to make your images
[14:38] <Kilos> mooi loop seun
[14:38] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[14:38] <mazal> God bless
[14:38] <Kilos> you too ty
[14:55] <magespawn> Kilos you can also install liniux to a flash drive, not just as a live cd but a full install
[14:56] <Kilos> yip magespawn will do that when i get a big one sometime
[14:56] <Symmetria> heh
[14:56] <Symmetria> here is a laugh for you guys
[14:57] <Symmetria> a particular international provider calls me
[14:57] <Symmetria> and says to me "Here is our network, here are our processes, here is our infrastructure, and here are the SLA's we want to offer, what percentage do we add to the price to cover breaches"
[14:58] <magespawn> most of that software only runs on windows and is closed
[15:01] <Kilos> whats their plan Symmetria ? why they asking you?
[15:01] <Kilos> competition?
[15:04] <Symmetria> heh kilos basically the ISPs budget to violate the SLA's they offer
[15:04] <Kilos> lol forewarned is forearmed
[15:04] <Symmetria> meaning the SLA's are worthless
[15:05] <Symmetria> its like insurance, they budget how many people are going to crash their cars
[15:05] <Symmetria> and adjust the premiums based on that
[15:05] <Kilos> they dont have much faith in their networks
[15:05] <Symmetria> heh some ISP's even insure against SLA's breaches
[15:07] <Kilos> breaches meaning?
[15:07] <Kilos> hacks, cracks virii etc?
[15:07] <Symmetria> downtime
[15:08] <Symmetria> basically, if you buy internet service on a commercial basis
[15:08] <Symmetria> and it stops working
[15:08] <Symmetria> and they dont fix it in X time
[15:08] <Symmetria> they pay penalties
[15:08] <Kilos> ah
[15:08] <Symmetria> but they budget for the fact that they wont fix it in X time
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:08] <Symmetria> and charge you before hand what they are going to have to pay out
[15:10] <Symmetria> it basically means, if an ISP says they gonna be up 99.9 percent of the time
[15:11] <Symmetria> bargain on the fact that they have actually budgetted to only be up 99.7% of the time 
[15:11] <Symmetria> and charged you for the penalties they are going to have to pay back to you
[15:13] <Kilos> they might have to pay back if they crash?
[15:13] <Kilos> so no crash they score
[15:14] <Symmetria> basically, yes, no downtime they score
[15:14] <Symmetria> but in reality, even with downtime they score
[15:14] <Symmetria> because they budgetted how much they would have to pay back to you and charged you for it already
[15:15] <Symmetria> and then probably insured against it as well
[15:15] <Symmetria> so not only are you being charged for them failing to meet their targets, but they are insuring against not meeting it as well and getting money outta the insurers for it
[15:15] <Symmetria> :p
[15:15] <Kilos> eish evil swines
[15:17] <Symmetria> *shrug* hey, if they wanna do it, they gonna do it whatever, and if I can charge them to do the analysis work, I aint complaining :p
[15:17] <Symmetria> and trust me, because of the nature of the work, the charges to get an analysis like that done... are not small
[15:23] <Kilos> yeah get some of what they stealing back from them
[15:24] <Kilos> invest it in starting up as an opposition isp
[15:24] <Symmetria> *shrug* an analysis like that can take 2 to 3 weks
[15:24] <Symmetria> and typical billing for that type of work runs 20 to 40 thousand dollars a week
[15:24] <Kilos> whew
[15:24] <Symmetria> you're looking at between 500 and a thousand dollars an hour
[15:31] <Vince-0> and voice?
[15:33] <Symmetria> vince *shrug* voice networks, you can probably do voice style stuff at 150 - 200 dollars an hour
[15:33] <Symmetria> if you know your stuff and can prove experience
[15:33] <Symmetria> its reasonable money
[15:48] <Vince-0> *chime
[15:49] <Vince-0> watching obama's victory speech - he's good
[15:50] <magespawn> i am out of here, good night all
[15:52] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[17:23] <Kilos> evening cocooncrash nearly lunchtime there?
[17:23] <Kilos> hows things by the yanks
[17:23] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Nope, only 09h23
[17:24] <cocooncrash> Big election fever, hopefully going to die down now
[17:24] <Kilos> ya its over
[17:25] <Kilos> have you immigrated cocooncrash 
[17:26] <Kilos> ?
[17:26] <Kilos> or coming back again
[17:26] <Kilos> at least you still on irc
[17:27] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Nah, I'll be coming back
[17:27] <Kilos> yay
[17:27] <Kilos> hi koiosify 
[17:28] <Kilos> hi psydroid wassup
[17:31] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:31] <psydroid> I'm doing fine, thanks
[17:31] <psydroid> how are you doing?
[17:32] <Kilos> good ty you been quiet
[17:33] <psydroid> yeah
[17:33] <psydroid> sometimes I just can't connect
[17:33] <Kilos> eish
[17:33] <Kilos> the webs been a bit sick
[17:48] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn 
[18:06] <Kilos> naand tannie magtie 
[18:06] <Kilos> gaan dit goed met u
[18:11] <magtie> Hi Kilos
[18:12] <magtie> Dit gaan baie goed dankie
[18:12] <Kilos> mooi
[18:13] <Kilos> 12 days time is our monthly meeting peeps. plan ahead so there are no excuses
[18:13] <Kilos> only tonberry who goes beering
[18:18] <Kilos> um Kerbero 
[18:18] <Kilos> are you here
[18:18] <Kilos> maybe superfly if you got 2 mins
[18:29] <Kilos> or anyone with brains will do i spose
[18:29] <Kilos> i run - sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1  on pc 2 and it can share 3g
[18:30] <Kilos> once switched off pc2 forgets it and must run the command again
[18:30] <Kilos> but tinycore remembers it
[18:30] <Kilos> wassup maverick?
[18:34] <charlvn> good evening all
[18:34] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[18:34] <charlvn> hi Kilos :)
[18:35] <Kilos> answer my question then everyone else can rest
[18:37] <charlvn> reading...
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <charlvn> what you say is correct there
[18:38] <charlvn> if you manipulate the routing table, that only gets stored in memory
[18:38] <charlvn> if you reboot it gets reset
[18:38] <Kilos> ya but why must i do it after every reboot of pc2
[18:38] <charlvn> tinycore - what's that?
[18:38] <Kilos> tinycorelinux
[18:39] <charlvn> ah i see
[18:39] <charlvn> ok what it probably does is it dumps it to some file and reloads it on reboot
[18:39] <charlvn> but that must be something specific to tinycore
[18:39] <charlvn> i don't have much experience with it
[18:39] <Kilos> must i run it from root itself
[18:39] <charlvn> no it makes no difference if you run it directly as root or as sudo
[18:40] <Kilos> oh
[18:40] <charlvn> what you could do is you could add it as a line to /etc/rc.local
[18:40] <charlvn> i don't know if that is the "proper" way of doing it though
[18:40] <Kilos> ok i will write down and stick it on pc2 ty charlvn 
[18:40] <charlvn> np
[19:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:11] <inetpro> good evening
[20:33] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos see: Debian / Ubuntu Linux Setting a Default Gateway http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-debian-ubutnu-set-default-gateway-ipaddress/
[20:33] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:36] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos Jammer, I was out at Bible study
[20:36] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:52] <inetpro> hi superfly
[20:52] <superfly> hi inetpro