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genii-aroundThe amd64+mac is also for non-Mac 64bit install?00:10
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ScottKyofel: Not as far as I know.  I think component mismatches is your best bet if you can find someone that saves them (I don't).02:15
pedahzurWhere would I go to check on the launchpad build queue? (specifically the 4.9.3 stuff from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports)  I see the list on the right that shows pass/fail, but it doesn't show pending.02:25
pedahzurAlso found https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+builds but that looks like just pass/fail again.02:26
ScottKlaunchpad.net/builders02:29
robtygartIs Kubuntu 13.04 out for testing yet? 02:58
pedahzurScottK: Thanks.05:15
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apacheloggerafiestas: bug 106933311:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1069333 in kamoso (Ubuntu) "kamoso is not showing anything " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106933311:09
afiestasapachelogger: can you link that to bugs.kde.org ?11:29
afiestasI will need some feedback to fix that11:29
apacheloggerafiestas: one can only link from kde to launchpad11:29
apacheloggerI can file you one on bko with the url to launchpad though if that helps11:30
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kubotufeed runtime-bugs had 14 updates, showing the latest 311:43
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [979647] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/979647 (by dysmann)11:43
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [980564] kcmshell4 crashed with AttributeError in maintenance_command(): 'GUI' object has no attribu... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/980564 (by Manfred Tillmanns)11:43
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [981466] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in QCoreApplication::notifyInternal() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/981466 (by igor)11:43
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BluesKajHey all12:16
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kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [972106] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in libraryPathMutex() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/972106 (by vongoldi)12:46
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1035883] drkonqi crashed with SIGABRT in qt_message_output() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035883 (by R3vo tester)12:46
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)12:46
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kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1074978] [kubuntu 12.10] multiple pages per sheet options makes printer hang @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074978 (by damahevi)13:09
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QuintasanUh14:38
Quintasanmuch better14:38
Quintasanyofel_: AFAIK jaintor in launchpad is borken14:44
Quintasanyofel_: bug 107156214:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1071562 in Launchpad itself "UEFI signing failures cause binaries to be republished continuously" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107156214:46
Quintasanjaintor magic14:46
yofel__Quintasan: uh, the janitor has been broken for a week now14:51
Quintasanyofel_: I blame launchpad for every bad thing that falls upon us14:52
yofel__Quintasan: well, dunno. Feel free to stuff something into our PPA's though. Then you can go and tell the admins that we need more space. Limited offer14:55
QuintasanI somehow get the idea that this won't work14:55
yofel__building in that armhf pbuilder of mine doesn't work because automoc4 segfaults btw. Didn't yet have time for more in-depth debugging.14:57
Quintasan>automoc414:58
Quintasanoh crap14:58
yofel__well, it works on hardware, so it sounds like a qemu issue14:59
QuintasanI blame LP15:03
QuintasanWorks every time15:03
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: perhaps you want a go at closing bug 107480717:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1074807 in muon (Ubuntu) "Continues prompting for password even if set NOPASSWD in sudoers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107480717:46
JontheEchidnahe's setting the policy wrong17:48
JontheEchidnaneeds to be <allow_active>yes</allow_active>17:49
apacheloggeryeah17:49
apacheloggerI'd not tell him though :P17:49
JontheEchidnatoo late17:49
JontheEchidnait'd be nice if that polkit kconfig module was being maintained17:50
apacheloggerwhat would be nice when users woud not use launchpad bugs like support forums :P17:51
JontheEchidnathat too17:51
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: btw, I sent a patch for the leak you found to ye olden APT mailing list18:02
JontheEchidnawe'll see what they say18:03
apacheloggerJontheEchidna++18:03
JontheEchidnayou can really tell that the APT library was written for single-shot things like apt-get18:05
JontheEchidnaafter a commit, you have to throw everything away and rebuild all your dependency caches18:06
JontheEchidna(apt-get doesn't have to worry about that, any further operations, you start apt-get again)18:06
JontheEchidnaleaks of 5MB in basic dependency error handling stick around for 10+ years18:06
JontheEchidna(apt-get users wouldn't notice, it would just get run once)18:07
JontheEchidnait's all kinds of horribleness designed for another decade :P18:07
JontheEchidnaI'd take a stab at writing my own library if dpkg dependency resolution wasn't so scary18:08
JontheEchidnathe sad thing is, I could bitch all day about APT, but in the end it provides a better user experience than the alternatives...18:09
JontheEchidnathat's why I stuck with K/Ubuntu18:10
apacheloggersoftware :D18:21
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SteveRileyyofel: hmm... nexus 7 installer now appears to understand 32 GB -- http://i.imgur.com/swvdw.png19:33
SteveRileydid you see this option when you tried?19:34
yofelype19:34
yofel*yep19:34
SteveRileynice19:34
yofelI didn't check what that does though. (Or why they can't just use resize2fs)19:34
xnoxScottK: are you happy to drop CLI ndiswrapper utils from kubuntu seeds? kernel module is not shipped so they are useless...19:35
SteveRileywell i will let you know what happens when this finishes19:35
yofelSteveRiley: it works, I can tell you that much ;)19:35
yofelxnox: what's wrong with the module? Unsupported?19:35
xnoxyofel: there is nothing wrong with the module. it's not shipped on the CDs, but the utils are.19:36
xnoxyofel: so you need network to get the dkms module & you can as well get the utils.19:36
yofeloh, that sounds useless indeed19:36
xnoxRiddell: you ok with dropping ndiswrapper utils? 19:53
xnox^^^19:53
yofelxnox: he's on vacation19:54
xnoxyofel: fair enough =))))19:55
yofelxnox: is there any way to build the module from the current live disk?19:56
yofelI'm wondering what people would do that need ndiswrapper and only have wireless19:56
xnoxyofel: it's not on the live disk, so you cannot do it offline with live disk. But if you have network you can install dkms module over the network and it should persist in the install.19:57
BluesKajbuy some ethernet cable I guess :P19:57
xnox_no change_ if they only have wireless, they are already been screwed in precise & quantal. Did they complain?19:58
yofelwell, if you can't build the module there's no point to have the userspace stuff on the disk19:58
xnoxexactly my point =)19:58
yofelfeel free to drop it, I doubt anyone would mind19:58
yofeleither that or add the dkms package ot the image19:58
xnoxack.20:02
SteveRileyyofel: 32 GB detected, no resize2fs required.20:07
yofelyeah, but I'm wondering how they do that, as Quintasan said that there is a size limit when flashing20:08
xnoxit's a sparse image20:11
yofelaaah20:11
xnoxit's 32gb is size, but actually it's a 678MB tarball.20:11
SteveRileyat UDS, they told us there were images available. i suspect they figured out how to build the 32 GB image within the size limit20:11
xnoxhttp://hwe.ubuntu.com/uds-r/nexus7/20:12
xnox&20:12
xnoxmfisch blog post on ubuntu-planet =)20:12
SteveRileyright. the question they didn't have an answer for was whether the 32 GB image would shrink to a small enough tarball20:12
xnoxclearly it did, as it's available for download.20:12
SteveRileyapparently they in fact did answer that question subsequent to uds20:12
yofeland works20:12
yofelnow I need to get this stupid pbuilder to work20:13
yofelhm20:13
yofelI'll first make a scratch repo20:13
SteveRileyis the plasma-active stuff of sufficient quality for me to run tasksel kubuntu-active on this thing? or is this what you're working on now, yofel?20:18
SteveRileycan't stand unity, ugh20:18
yofelask Quintasan, I only know there are issues. At least install plasma-active by hand as well to make sure it's installed20:18
yofelthe quantal stuff hasn't gotten much love20:19
yofelNOW I'm trying to find out how we can make armhf packages and share them20:19
yofelas we can't get a PPA20:19
yofelsetting up a shared repo isn't the hard part there :/20:19
SteveRileywell, apt-get install kubuntu-active gives you nothing, as that package is -- yes -- empty!20:20
SteveRileybut afiestas said it worked with tasksel20:20
SteveRileyweird20:20
afiestasI did what?20:20
afiestas*I said what?20:20
SteveRileydidn't you get kubuntu-active working with tasksel?20:21
afiestasI don't know what tasksel is20:21
SteveRileyhow did you get plasma active on your nexus 720:21
SteveRileymaybe it was quintasan who said that using the task worked, but not via apt-get20:22
SteveRileyi don't remember now. sigh :(20:23
afiestasaaaa20:23
afiestasusing task yes20:23
afiestasapt-get install kubuntu-active^20:23
afiestasdidn't knew that was called tasksel20:23
* afiestas is a packaging nub20:23
SteveRileyit's linux. if there's one way to do a thing, there's more than one :)20:25
afiestasthat's our cancer that will eat us alive if we don't react20:26
afiestasbut anyway20:26
apacheloggerafiestas: that is not a tasksel20:29
apacheloggertasksel is a part of the debian-installer that does what a meta package does20:29
apacheloggeri.e. a task is comprised by a number of packages that will be installed to fullfill the task20:30
apacheloggeroh and tasks support evaluated listing... e.g. a task may list ~pstandard which essentially means that every package with the priority standard would get installed as part of this task without having to statically list all packages that have priority standard20:33
apacheloggernifty magic, except not very useful on ubuntu ;)20:33
SteveRileyi think the difference was the commands alex and i had in mind. i was thinking to use the tasksel utility, alex used apt-get and specified the task name with the caret20:37
apachelogger(apt-get does not support tasks)20:47
apacheloggerwhat afiestas did only worked because we actually have a real package called kubuntu-active20:48
afiestasapachelogger: I did what rohan told me20:49
afiestasI mean, I was not conscient of what I was doing xD20:49
apacheloggerwhy I am explaining it :P20:49
apacheloggeralso FWIW ... one should not use taskel on ubuntu ... taskel uses aptitude for dep resolutoin etc and we do not QA against aptitude20:50
apacheloggerso apt-get is in fact the right way to do it20:50
apacheloggereven though from a functionality POV there is no difference20:51
yofelk, scratch repos setup done, now back to debugging qemu20:55
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SteveRileyapachelogger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel21:03
SteveRileycheck the "usage (alternative)" section21:03
yofelapachelogger: funny enough, aptitude usually does much more reasonable things to our packages that apt if something breaks21:04
yofels/that apt/than apt/21:04
kubotuyofel meant: "apachelogger: funny enough, aptitude usually does much more reasonable things to our packages than apt if something breaks"21:04
SteveRileyand the output of apt-get -s install kubuntu-active is very different than the output of apt-get -s install kubuntu-active^21:09
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kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1057578] Vulnerable against "CRIME" attack @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1057578 (by Felix Geyer)21:40
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I swear to xenu that I will throw dirt at that guy21:59
Riddellevening22:00
Riddelldid I miss anything?22:00
* yofel has 0 idea how policykit works, but remembers him saying that it works in synaptic22:00
shadeslayerohai Riddell22:01
apacheloggeryofel: synaptic does not use polkit, it uses pkexec to do what sudo does using polkit22:01
apacheloggerahoy Riddell22:01
yofelah, you might want to tell him thta22:01
yofel(Pedro is simplew on IRC btw. if you ever see him)22:02
Riddellshadeslayer: enjoying england?22:02
yofelworst case set the bug to won't fix22:02
shadeslayerRiddell: it's chilly22:02
yofelhe shouldn't be able to reopen it then22:02
shadeslayerSo I'm mostly indoors :P22:02
yofelhi Riddell, you missed mostly the 4.9.3 release, otherwise it was rather quiet22:02
Riddellhave merges started happening?22:03
yofelnot for KDE at least as there's nothing to merge.22:04
apacheloggeryofel: another nice bug I saw ... year old report about some compiz foo reported against runtime I believe, so I moved it to compiz and there it was closed as opinion as unity will bring supremacy to all and everything, the reporter subsequently moved it back to runtime and reopened on accounts of it being in a KDE path22:04
apacheloggerI do have to tell you, bug triage makes you go mad22:04
yofelyeah, I know that :P22:05
apacheloggeralso there is this thing where apport is being smart and marks all and every crash report as private and medium22:06
yofelI think I'll open a bug about qemu-arm soon *-.-22:06
* shadeslayer tries installing tf222:06
apacheloggerof course privates don't get a mail dispatched to kubuntu-bugs so we do not ever see that rubbish until somone heads to the actual page22:06
apacheloggerso much for broken workflows22:06
yofeloh yeah, the mail sending is annoying22:06
yofelshadeslayer: got into the beta test?22:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: you should install firefoo22:07
shadeslayerafaictl22:07
apacheloggerwhatever version I uploaded22:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: meh firefoo :P22:07
* apachelogger has broken is le apt somehow22:07
* apachelogger appears to be in typo state and perhaps should shutdown for the night22:08
shadeslayerdrat22:08
shadeslayerno space on HDD22:08
yofelhaha22:08
shadeslayer/dev/sda7                   134G  123G  4.6G  97% /home22:08
apacheloggeractually... if someone feels particularly happy -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs22:08
apacheloggerI'd like to see that count at 022:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: write script to invalidate all of them22:09
shadeslayeroh right, I have huge debugging shit in my /home22:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: there is valid bugs don't you know22:09
yofelhm, shadeslayer is forgetting bugs22:09
apacheloggerlike the bug you were supposed to fix :P22:09
apacheloggerbug 101344222:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1013442 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "kdelibs >= 4.8.3 should depend on media-player-info" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101344222:09
yofelright22:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: actually poke sune about that again22:10
apacheloggersee if he followed up on promoting it to recommends in debian22:10
shadeslayerremind me again on Monday22:10
shadeslayerdamnit steam22:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: put it on your todo :P22:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: here's what my TODO looks right now : HAVE FUN22:10
shadeslayerHAVE MORE FUN22:10
apacheloggeroh btw, so I ordered a new PC from the mighty dell22:10
shadeslayerWATCH SKYFALL22:10
apacheloggerturns out it takes 20 days to get a PC from dell nowadays22:11
shadeslayerHAVE FUN @ Science Museum22:11
apacheloggerquite the let down22:11
yofelSuggests: media-player-info [linux-any]22:11
yofelnot fixed in debian22:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: I will not ask what a skyfall is22:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: best not to22:11
shadeslayerbecause I don't know what a skyfall is either22:11
yofelwhen you jump from space back to earth :P22:12
apacheloggeryofel: yeah, I argued to sune that it should be recommends as that thing there is really more important than suggests as otherwise the detection behavior of solid is broken22:12
shadeslayeryofel: how does IMAX figure into that?22:12
apacheloggere.g. apparently my nokia phone is a camera22:12
yofelnot at all but who cares22:12
apacheloggerquite the surprise22:12
apacheloggeryofel: only austrians are allowed to skyfall22:12
apacheloggeralso I think that guy got arrested for assulting someone22:13
apacheloggerbefore I go to bed22:13
apacheloggerI'd totally want to haxx0r bug 21538322:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 215383 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "About Kubuntu information box" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21538322:13
apacheloggerso opinions on comment #2 plz22:13
shadeslayerI'm using kde4 and hardy beta.22:14
shadeslayerwat22:14
apacheloggeractually add to that: create a KCM22:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: aka fix KInfoCenter22:14
apacheloggercuz in the gnomes they have a control center module to display that information22:14
apacheloggershadeslayer: no22:14
shadeslayeryes22:14
apacheloggerkic has too big a scope for that22:14
shadeslayeroic22:15
yofel+1 22:15
yofelsome system info is ok, but only the basics22:15
yofelkic should should more than it currently does anyway22:15
apacheloggerif we were to go the KCM route it would either be ... list it in systemsettings (Which I'd prefer) OR list it as app in the menu OR list it in the help menu of each app 22:15
yofelI'm not particulary happy about the idea of having BOTH 'about KDE' and 'about Kubuntu'22:16
ScottKyofel: We should.22:16
ScottKxnox: I'm all for removing useless things.22:16
yofelwell... yeah, but...22:17
apacheloggeryofel: well, long term we should make some plugable magic for upstream so that about KDE can contain additional distro info22:17
yofelapachelogger: that's about what I had in mind, but how would you call it then?22:17
yofel(I mean, you can just add a tab)22:17
apacheloggeror actually that might not need to be pluggable but a simple desktop file or something would suffice, after all you should be able to get all the info from lsb-release and then throw in a url for the website and perhaps extra text or something22:18
apacheloggeryofel: that dialog is a bit weird anyway22:18
apacheloggerit's about the community yet it used to be about the product22:18
apacheloggerall messed up22:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: but then what if you're offline22:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: doesnt compute22:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: how does that have impact on anything?22:19
shadeslayer"then throw in a url for the website and perhaps extra text or something"22:19
apachelogger[logo]22:19
apachelogger[distroname] [distroversion]22:20
apachelogger[distrourl]22:20
apachelogger[distrotext]22:20
apachelogger^ content of dialog/kcm/widget/whatever22:20
ScottKxnox: Dropped.22:20
apacheloggerour cd selection screen thing needs to be rdone22:21
apacheloggeranyone remembers where that was stored?22:21
apacheloggerdebian-cd?22:21
yofelcd selection?22:21
apacheloggerwell the boot meny thingy that comes up on CD boot22:21
yofelyou mean isolinux or syslinux how that was called?22:21
apacheloggerCD/isoboot22:22
yofelah22:22
apacheloggeryofel: isolinux22:22
apacheloggerit still uses le blue22:22
ScottKMaybe we should hide it by default like Ubuntu does?22:23
apacheloggeralso the grey between grub and plymouth is at war with the plymouth grey22:23
* yofel wonders what people have against colors these days -.-22:23
apacheloggernot sure where that comes from22:23
ScottKGo straight to eh ubiquity screen22:23
apacheloggerScottK: that's the plan22:23
ScottKOK.22:23
apacheloggeronce I found it ^^22:23
ScottKDid you find it yet?  If not, I'm sure xnox can tell you which knobs to turn.22:24
apacheloggeryes22:32
apacheloggerit's debian-cd22:32
apacheloggerthat's the good news, the bad is that I always get lost in the source base22:32
* yofel gives up on debugging qemu-linaro for now22:33
apacheloggerScottK: should I reuse that artwork from ubuntu?22:34
ScottKDunno.22:35
apacheloggerI am having a hard time imagining a kde version in the limited color space22:35
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/08/access-new.png22:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: saw my emails22:41
shadeslayererm sec22:42
apacheloggerno22:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: saw my emails wrt ff-kde?22:42
shadeslayermeta package anotd what n22:42
shadeslayer*meta package and what not22:42
shadeslayer( silly touchpad )22:42
apacheloggerno clue what it means22:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: have a package called firefox-kde that has : Depends: firefox (>= 16.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.12.10.1+ppa1)22:45
apacheloggerhow does that change anything?22:45
shadeslayerpeople install firefox-kde , so when an upgrade comes along, it doesn't upgrade to the archive ff cleanly22:46
shadeslayerIt'll complain22:46
apacheloggerDepends: firefox (>= 16.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.12.10.1+ppa1)22:46
yofel>= will upgrade...22:47
apacheloggerit will install cleanly22:47
shadeslayerbleh, I mean, = 16.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.12.10.1+ppa122:47
apacheloggeralso the complaining does not help much, does it?22:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: SteveRiley said that it'll help22:47
yofelshadeslayer: did you actually test that?22:47
shadeslayeryofel: nope, just a thought at the moment22:47
yofelas I know apt, it'll just go and remove firefox-kde22:47
yofelthough maybe I'm wrong22:48
shadeslayeryeah, need to test that ...22:48
shadeslayeranywho, please reply to thread with thoughts :)22:49
yofelhm, maybe pinning firefox-kde with 1000 would work22:50
shadeslayeryofel: saw http://debuild.me/ ?22:50
shadeslayeryofel: that's what I want to avoid22:50
yofelshadeslayer: not yet22:50
yofelshadeslayer: why?22:50
shadeslayerPreferably want to completely hide pinning22:51
yofelI didn't mean pinning a specific version22:51
yofelship the pin in the package?22:51
shadeslayerhm ... postinst scripts ....22:51
shadeslayerand postrm scripts22:52
yofelgrrrrr, this is freakin' useless: http://paste.kde.org/600374/22:53
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopvN2536.png23:05
apacheloggersomeone hold on to that screeny so you can give it to me when I start whining about how I forgot what the youbuntoo thing lists in 2 hours23:06
apacheloggerScottK: oh, btw, I think I'll wait with the coloring stuff23:08
ScottKOK.23:08
apacheloggerIIRC nuno is planning a new wallpaper for 4.1023:08
apacheloggerso I'll have to get him to show me the current version to decide whether grey is still the way to go23:09
apacheloggerthough I think there was talk of not being so grey ^^23:09
ScottKI'm in favor of not so grey.23:10
apacheloggeryeah me too, it is gettig old :P23:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: what desktop did you buy?23:16

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