[07:33] <sakhm2> does anyone know if canonical provides a commercial option for launchpad to increase the build score for PPAs?
[09:23] <czajkowski> sakhm2: commercial subscriptions do get a slighty higher build score yes
[09:27] <TheLordOfTime> do the PPAs support Raring yet?
[09:37] <yofel__> TheLordOfTime: they do
[10:29] <apachelogger> ahoy, if someone could process https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/213663 I'd be a very happy user :)
[10:41] <czajkowski> apachelogger: it does come into my queue
[10:41] <czajkowski> but will look now
[10:42] <czajkowski> apachelogger: done
[10:43] <apachelogger> czajkowski: thank you :)
[10:43] <czajkowski> np
[14:18] <hrw> hi
[14:19] <hrw> is it possible to make ARM only PPA? I have some packages for Chromebook and want to build/publish/test them before pushing them to Debian/Ubuntu archives.
[14:24] <czajkowski> hrw: you're linaro/canonical?
[14:24] <hrw> czajkowski: both
[14:25] <czajkowski> hrw: what ppa specifically ?
[14:26] <hrw> https://launchpad.net/~hrw/+archive/my-own-packages
[14:26] <czajkowski> webops can you please look after hrw request
[14:26] <hrw> so basically arm builders are company only so far?
[14:27] <czajkowski> yes
[14:27] <hrw> thx
[14:27] <geser> hrw: AFAIK it's because of missing virtualization on ARM so only trusted people get access to them
[14:28] <geser> hrw: does LP support building arch:all packages without an i386 builder?
[14:28] <czajkowski> gnuoy: you about?
[14:28] <hrw> geser: right. I used wrong wording
[14:29] <gnuoy> czajkowski, I am
[14:30] <czajkowski> gnuoy: could you look after hrw request re arm please
[14:31] <gnuoy> czajkowski, hrw, I don't know of a way of excluding non-arm builds but I can enable arm on that ppa
[14:31] <hrw> gnuoy: x86+arm is ok  ;)
[14:31] <czajkowski> gnuoy: lovely thanks
[14:32] <gnuoy> hrw, done
[14:32] <hrw> cool, thanks
[15:05] <dobey> geser: not yet; arch:all still only gets built on i386, as do source package builds for recipes iirc
[15:59] <dholbach> hiya
[15:59] <dholbach> can somebody help me renaming https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-adt to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-adk - I was in a hurry when I created it :)
[16:00] <dholbach> or shall I file a ticket?
[16:00] <dholbach> czajkowski, ^ :)
[16:02] <czajkowski> sure
[16:02] <czajkowski> done
[16:02] <czajkowski> :)
[16:02] <czajkowski> dholbach: ^
[16:02] <dholbach> holy cow
[16:02] <dholbach> that was quick
[16:02]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[16:02] <dholbach> ← happy
[16:02] <TheLordOfTime> czajkowski > time.normalspeed :P
[16:02] <czajkowski> yeah we dont leave people waiting you know :)
[16:02] <TheLordOfTime> just saying :P
[16:03] <czajkowski> on the ball :)
[16:03] <TheLordOfTime> yep.
[16:03] <czajkowski> dholbach: lets be honest you're always happy! :)
[16:03] <TheLordOfTime> czajkowski, out of curiosity, any idea why i386 builders for PPAs have a smaller queue / less-time-to-build compared to AMD64?
[16:03] <czajkowski> bah
[16:04] <czajkowski> see you had to ask a question I couldnt just answer
[16:04]  * TheLordOfTime is evil/epic that way
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> but seriously, its a question i want answered :P
[16:04] <dholbach> czajkowski, I'll leave you in that belief :)
[16:05] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: random chance :)
[16:05] <TheLordOfTime> dobey, https://launchpad.net/~format-junkie-team/+archive/release/+build/3965896  <-- 5 minutes, vs.  https://launchpad.net/~format-junkie-team/+archive/release/+build/3965896  <-- 4 hours ?
[16:05] <TheLordOfTime> seems oddly consistently disparate
[16:05] <dobey> oh, some build broke the privace of /builders again
[16:05] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: those are the same link
[16:06] <TheLordOfTime> oops
[16:06] <TheLordOfTime> copy-past eissue
[16:06] <TheLordOfTime> one moment
[16:06] <TheLordOfTime> https://launchpad.net/~format-junkie-team/+archive/release/+build/3965895  <-- that's the 4 hours one
[16:06] <TheLordOfTime> same package upload though :p
[16:06] <czajkowski> dobey: you cant see it ?
[16:06] <dobey> also, how'd you get '5 minutes' on i386 just now?
[16:06] <TheLordOfTime> dobey, this was uploaded several hours ago
[16:06] <dobey> czajkowski: nope, it showss the Forbidden page
[16:07] <czajkowski> ahh
[16:07] <TheLordOfTime> dobey, note the "created X hours ago" at the top of said pagesw
[16:07] <czajkowski> I need a banner that says you have magical LP powers and can see stuff when others cant
[16:07] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: oh; because i just submitted a couple of builds that said 4 or 5 hours, on i386
[16:07] <TheLordOfTime> dobey, about 7 hours ago i uploaded the package.  the i386 says "5 minutes"
[16:07] <TheLordOfTime> dobey, consistently with 25 other PPA uploads in the past, oh, many months, i386 has had far faster time-to-build-start times than amd64
[16:08] <TheLordOfTime> sometimes with amd64 taking >8 hours longer to get to start building
[16:08] <TheLordOfTime> so its a valid question: is that by-design, or is it something buggy
[16:09] <czajkowski> TheLordOfTime: I suspect only webops folks would be able to answer that
[16:09] <czajkowski> not lpadders
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> czajkowski, any idea where i can poke them>?
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> either that, or i'll just file a question about it :P
[16:09] <czajkowski> I've just done that
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> czajkowski, awesome.
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> thanks.
[16:09] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: it's not by design; it is more likely simply random chance; note also they are estimates, and there could be something building that is taking overly long to build or such
[16:09]  * TheLordOfTime initiates lurkmode while he runs to grab some coffee
[16:10] <TheLordOfTime> dobey, the estimates've been consistently disparate even when they get moved around.
[16:10] <dobey> there have been things in the past which have taken >24 hours building; which can screw with build times
[16:10] <TheLordOfTime> i386 time-to-build-start is always less than amd64 time-to-build-start.
[16:10] <TheLordOfTime> dobey, i expect that on the builders for release, not PPAs :/
[16:10] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: right, but usually they start at the same time for me
[16:10] <TheLordOfTime> s/I expect/I'd expect/
[16:11] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: also, some amd64 packages may have to wait for certain i386 builds to finish first, when arch:all deps are involved i guess
[16:12] <czajkowski> TheLordOfTime: it really does just vary tbh
[16:12] <czajkowski> and dont forget other things that have a higher score do pop in from time to time also
[16:12] <TheLordOfTime> <TheLordOfTime> dobey, the estimates've been consistently disparate even when they get moved around.  <-- that included that chance.
[16:12] <TheLordOfTime> anyways, coffee run.
[16:22] <smoser> it seems that pad.lv is bustd?
[16:22] <smoser> example: http://pad.lv/978127
[16:22] <czajkowski> never heard of pad.lv
[16:29] <czajkowski> smoser: trying to find out now
[16:33]  * smoser loves pad.lv (http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/pad-lv)
[16:34] <czajkowski> smoser: funky 9 months in and learn something new
[18:16] <jonrafkind> what is the status of 1071562?
[18:16] <dobey> bug #1071562 ?
[18:17] <jonrafkind> yes
[18:27] <jonrafkind> i meant is anyone working on it?
[18:29] <sinzui> jonrafkind, We expect it to be fixed next week
[18:29] <jonrafkind> ok
[19:25] <dobey> ugh. /builders is still 'Forbidden'
[19:28] <yofel_> make that 'again', it was accessible again a while ago :/
[20:10] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/builders is having that thing again
[20:10] <xnox> where it's "Not allowed here"
[20:10] <xnox> instead of showing status / summary
[20:11] <xnox> I remember it did that once before sometime in precise cycle.
[20:11] <xnox> czajkowski, remember that one time?
[20:22] <czajkowski> dobey: xnox stuff on there being built that is private it doesnt know how to only show stuff that is able to be displayed so it shows it all hidden
[20:23] <dobey> czajkowski: there was a bug previously that was fixed; but it appears it's been reintroduced
[20:23] <xnox> dobey: exatcly.
[20:23] <dobey> czajkowski: for a while, it was showing 'Private build' on builders that were doing such; but now it seems it's broken again
[20:23] <czajkowski> dobey: this is what sinzui tells me
[20:23] <xnox> since it's only suppose to show "building private built"
[20:28] <sinzui> This is was never fixed and engineers ague over how to handle builds that involve private teams or P3As The page becomes unavailable while the edge cases are building
[20:30] <sinzui> The odd think about this build is that I can see it. This is the first time since I don't have special build privs. I think this means I am in the team or subscribed to the p3a that is building
[22:05] <dobey> sinzui: i'm pretty sure i remember wgrant or someone talking about a fix getting deployed for this the last time there was a bunch of noise about it in here. and i quite definitely know i have seen "Private build" listed for some builders on that page when private builds were happening, after that point in time, and before now.
[22:06] <wgrant> It's the old case of the copy from a public PPA into a private PPA owned by a private team that you're not authorised to see.
[22:06] <sinzui> We need inline redacting for this case I think
[22:06] <wgrant> Certainly
[22:06] <wgrant> It should say "Private build" like other private builds
[22:06] <wgrant> It just doesn't, yet :)
[22:33] <dobey> wgrant: are those copies what's been killing build queue times today as well?
[22:43] <wgrant> dobey: No
[22:44] <wgrant> That's just lots of people uploading stuff :/
[22:46] <mwhudson> always a problem when people use your system for its intended purpose :)
[22:48] <dobey> wgrant: lots of Canonical/Linaro people uploading long build packages or something? even my uploads with the tweaked build scores have had extremely long wait times today :-/
[22:50] <czajkowski> this is the problem then when people come looking for build bumps
[22:50] <czajkowski> pushes other peoples down on the queue :/
[22:55] <wgrant> Yeah
[22:55] <wgrant> Everyone says their packages are important, so everyone ends up waiting anyway :)
[22:59] <dobey> well, i'm only hitting this issue really because LP defaults to 'rebuild the binaries' for copying packages across PPAs; and i didn't notice until after i'd already copied that it did that. :-/
[22:59] <dobey> and i can't delete the packages and just copy the binaries over
[23:00] <dobey> that really should default to 'copy existing binaries'
[23:01] <dobey> anyway, i have to go now. later :)
[23:17] <czajkowski> lifeless: pugtastic!
[23:25] <lifeless> czajkowski: its pretty cool :)
[23:25] <czajkowski> it is
[23:25] <czajkowski> I do love pugs!