[05:22] <r4y> My sister in law is having a computer setup by a friend and she want Ubuntu on it. We want to go with Ubuntu 10.04. The guy is setting up Windows but I am not sure what version. I have been thinking about having Windows kept for her if she perhaps needs it and having Ubuntu duel booted with it. Will one mess up the other?, Does one have to be installed before the other?, and if one messes up...
[05:22] <r4y> ...the other which one is more likely to get messed up?
[05:23] <r4y> I know flood, sorry.
[05:24] <r4y> I have never duel booted Linux with Windows.
[05:25] <r4y> Which will be on one hard drive
[05:26] <r4y> The guy she has working on her computer was a computer expert from Dell who had a accident and now has a messed up back and is retired.
[05:28] <r4y> Obi-Wan your my only hope, LOL
[05:29] <Unit193> Generally Windows will overwrite whatever MBR may be on there, while Ubuntu should detect windows and add it to grubs listing.
[05:30] <Unit193> As far as partitioning?  Whatever the user sets up is what will happen.
[05:30] <r4y> Ah, so install Windows first?
[05:30] <r4y> I thought we could change the boot sequence for which one loads first after installing
[05:30] <Unit193> Yep, but why 10.04?
[05:31] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows
[05:31] <r4y> We are used to Ubuntu and that was the last setup she had.
[05:32] <r4y> I just don't like Unity and I think Ubuntu has stepped backwards in some ways, but it still works
[05:32] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases EOL in April.
[05:33] <r4y> I have tried installin Gnome on Ubuntu 12.04 even to see if I would like it but I don't, an also in doing so it has to install updates for both Gnome and Unity
[05:35] <Unit193> Unless you uninstall Unity, yep.
[05:36] <r4y> I like being able to drag and drop icons onto the panels, desktop, and miss the applets, and I miss having more control over the colors in appearance, and miss the icon themes I have for Gnome which I didn't try. And if I use Gnome on Ubuntu 12 shut down is gone and the menu is setup a little different
[05:37] <r4y> I guess that's about it for me
[05:37] <r4y> The only problem I need to know the answer to for Ubuntu 10 is this:
[05:37] <holstein> xfce is very gnome2 like in feel
[05:38] <holstein> xubuntu is a nice emplementation of both XFCE and ubuntu i sthink
[05:38] <holstein> think*
[05:38] <r4y> When I play videos on the internet they skip like someone is hitting pause and play over and over, someone said it was because I installed the 3D graphics driver, but I don't know how to disable it on the fly
[05:39] <r4y> She will not be using the 3D graphics driver so I hope she doesn't have this problem
[05:39] <r4y> other then that Ubuntu 10 is great
[05:39] <r4y> I haven't tried XFCE
[05:39] <r4y> I've known about it for a long time though
[05:40] <r4y> How do I disable the 3D graphics driver to only use when I feel like using it without uninstalling it?
[05:41] <holstein> r4y: you can script something that swaps in a different xorg.conf
[05:41] <holstein> not an easy way though.. i would try 12.04, and see if the drivers are better
[05:41] <r4y> O, great
[05:41] <holstein> its likely flash anyways
[05:41] <r4y> I should have known
[05:41] <holstein> i usually try the chrome browser.. the actual chrome browser.. since on the 32bit versions, flash is included
[05:42] <r4y> Well, that means I need to study the X11 file again
[05:42] <holstein> r4y: or just try 12.04
[05:44] <r4y> OK, since I like Ubuntu 10 I should try chrome. I am not used to Chrome and have known about it as well. It's just that I would need to understand how to replace the add-ons I have. I remember using Chrome and not liking it but mostly because I wasn't used to it
[05:44] <r4y> I like Firefox
[05:45] <holstein> you can like and use what you want.. the fact is, for 10.04, and other linux/ubuntu version (32bit) chrome is the only way to have a current flash version
[05:46] <holstein> i always suggest it as a troubleshooting step.. using the words "try" and "see if it helps, and go from there"
[05:46] <r4y> Maybe change is tuff, but change can be a good thing. OK, TY for the input you guys have given me so far
[05:46] <holstein> at least, you can stop mucking about with drivers.. and just move on to flash, or avoiding flash
[05:46] <holstein> im still not suggesting you change browersers
[05:48] <r4y> Ha ha, when I was told that the 3D graphics driver was the problem, I tried unstalling it and ended up uninstalling to many things, and I couldn't get back into Ubuntu, so I went through fail safe graphic barely somehow, then learned how to install all the needed packages using Snaptic Package Manager which I made a text doc ofr future reference
[05:49] <holstein> !tty
[05:49] <ubot2> To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[05:49] <holstein> that can help determine whats up... and sudo apt-get install whatever you need
[05:50] <r4y> I understand that I can use both browsers if I want. I have also tried Opera but the skipping problem was still there with Opera. I should try Chrome again and see
[05:50] <r4y> Give me a sec and I will drop a pastebin of the text file
[05:50] <holstein> you should try, specifically, the pacakged version of flash chrome supplies.. its the only updated flash linux has access to
[05:51] <holstein> im not suggesting you use chrome at all. you can install it.. test, and remove it right after, knowing that you dont need to mess with any graphics driver
[05:52] <r4y> I know, that's what's great
[05:52] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1341828/
[05:53] <r4y> I named it: re-installing needed packages
[05:55] <r4y> TY for the link and info
[06:00] <r4y> I should try XFCE. There is always VMWare
[06:02] <r4y> TY for the other link as well on duel booting. It's good to know what Windows being installed before Ubuntu is before then the other way around because the guy working on her computer has likely already installed Windows from what I am guessing
[06:03] <r4y> I meant to use the word better not before
[06:05] <r4y> The second before. Well, anyways I should go, TY very much. You were helpful as always.
[15:25] <Johnnybam> anyone having issues with WICD and gnome?
[17:08] <kevlar_> hello, complete noob to ubuntu needing help with connecting to wireless
[17:09] <kevlar_> can anyone help
[17:09] <kevlar_> ?
[17:23] <philinux> kevlar_: Hi
[17:24] <philinux> connect wired first and see if it offers to install a driver.
[17:26] <kevlar_> it doesntt
[17:26] <kevlar_> it's plugged into the internet via a ethernet cable
[17:29] <philinux> kevlar_: ok so net worky with wired ok
[17:30] <philinux> have you updated the machine, and is the 12.04 or which
[17:30] <kevlar_> yeah its working when its plugged in via a wire, and its updated to 12.04 yeah
[17:31] <philinux> have u just installed it
[17:31] <kevlar_> yeah to a brand new computer
[17:31] <kevlar_> its custom built and has had no other os on it
[17:31] <philinux> ok top right gear open system settings
[17:32] <kevlar_> yeap
[17:32] <kevlar_> opened
[17:32] <philinux> kevlar_: on bottom row choose software sources,it takes a few seconds to open
[17:33] <kevlar_> yeah
[17:33] <philinux> top right additional drivers hit that tab
[17:33] <kevlar_> yeah
[17:33] <kevlar_> theres nothing listed
[17:33] <kevlar_> its just blank and says no propriety drivers are in use
[17:34] <philinux> ok is this a tower desktop machine
[17:34] <kevlar_> yeah it is
[17:34] <philinux> why do you need wireless?
[17:34] <philinux> have you a wireless dongle or something
[17:36] <kevlar_> basically i can't keep my wire connection as its a trip hazard and its not lon genough for me to pin it up again the wall
[17:36] <kevlar_> and my motherboard has a inbuildt wireless adaptor
[17:37] <philinux> open a terminal via ctrl alt t
[17:37] <kevlar_> yeah
[17:37] <philinux> type in lspci (the first letter is a lower case L
[17:38] <philinux> hit the enter key
[17:38] <kevlar_> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express Root Port (rev 09) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller 
[17:39] <philinux> kevlar_: on my laptop I;ve got a line which says 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000
[17:40] <philinux> kevlar_: have a look in the notherboard manual and see how to activate wireless. you may need to go into the bios - not sure
[17:41] <kevlar_> the problem is that I have the CD for it
[17:41] <kevlar_> but it only runs on windows
[17:42] <philinux> kevlar_: ubuntu has all or most drivers built into the kernel
[17:44] <philinux> kevlar_: open terminal and run iwlist scan
[17:47] <kevlar_> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express Root Port (rev 09) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller 
[17:47] <kevlar_> sorry ignore that
[17:47] <kevlar_>           Cell 01 - Address: 90:01:3B:35:2C:CE                     Channel:6                     Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)                     Quality=28/70  Signal level=-82 dBm                       Encryption key:on                     ESSID:"SKY52CCD"                     Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s                               24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s                     Bit Rates:6 Mb/
[17:48] <philinux> kevlar_: rigghto its scanning fine then
[17:48] <philinux> ssid sky52ccd
[17:49] <philinux> kevlar_: try a manual connect. Click on the network icon it's the one nect to the volume icon
[17:49] <kevlar_> it recdognises it and connects to it but then the connection goes
[17:49] <kevlar_> before it starts asking me for the password
[17:50] <philinux> you mean when u click edit connections
[17:51] <philinux> what is listed under wireless tab
[17:52] <kevlar__> sorry about that
[17:52] <kevlar__> took the wire out to see if the net woul dwork
[17:52] <kevlar__> it was beginning to load a webpage then it disconnected
[17:56] <philinux> choose edit connections and delete the entry for wireless
[17:57] <philinux> kevlar__: then try to add it again
[17:57] <philinux> it might be better to do it with the wired connection unplugged it should scan for the wireless auto matically
[17:59] <duanedesign> also make sure 'Enable Wireless' is checked
[17:59] <duanedesign> I have made that mistake
[17:59] <duanedesign> :)
[17:59] <kevlar__> yeah it scans for it
[18:00] <kevlar__> and then asks for a password
[18:00] <kevlar__> put it in
[18:00] <kevlar__> never connects
[18:00] <kevlar__> or it will connect after a period of time
[18:00] <kevlar__> before it just disconnects again
[18:00] <kevlar__> and keeps asking for a password
[18:00] <kevlar__> and yeah i've enabled wireless lol
[18:03] <duanedesign> this command should show you the signal strength
[18:03] <duanedesign> watch -n 1 "awk 'NR==3 {print \"WiFi Signal Strength = \" \$3 \"00 %\"}''' /proc/net/wireless"
[18:04] <duanedesign> sorry it is so long
[18:05] <duanedesign> for comparison mine is  - WiFi Signal Strength = 62.00 %
[18:06] <duanedesign> sorry philinux you were doing a great job, did not mean to hijack your thread :)
[18:06] <duanedesign> hi bodhi_zazen
[18:09] <philinux> duanedesign: nice mine is 70%
[18:11] <philinux> kevlar__: what strength is yours ?
[18:11] <kevlar__> ererm how do i find out
[18:12] <philinux> kevlar__: open a terminal and copy and paste this in
[18:12] <philinux> watch -n 1 "awk 'NR==3 {print \"WiFi Signal Strength = \" \$3 \"00 %\"}''' /proc/net/wireless"
[18:13] <kevlar__> 29
[18:13] <kevlar__> %
[18:14] <philinux> kevlar__: could be that then even though u a re close to the router. You may need to experiment by changing the channel on the router
[18:14] <philinux> sounds like all is well except signal strenght
[18:15] <philinux> kevlar__: does  the inbuilt wireless have it's arial on the outside of the tower?
[18:17] <kevlar_> sorry about that again
[18:18] <kevlar_> changed the channel to 1 and then 8 and then 5
[18:18] <kevlar_> made no difference
[18:18] <philinux> kevlar_: I have to go out in 5 mins. you can get more help in #ubuntu or post a thread here http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336
[18:18] <philinux> kevlar_: have you a laptop
[18:19] <kevlar_> yeah i do
[18:20] <philinux> try that command from the laptop. see what signal it gets. you can see the strength as a one off from this commans
[18:20] <philinux> cat /proc/net/wireless
[18:20] <philinux> Mine
[18:20] <philinux> cat /proc/net/wireless
[18:20] <philinux> Inter-| sta-|   Quality        |   Discarded packets               | Missed | WE
[18:20] <philinux>  face | tus | link level noise |  nwid  crypt   frag  retry   misc | beacon | 22
[18:20] <philinux>  wlan0: 0000   65.  -45.  -256        0      0      0      0   4574        0
[18:21] <philinux> link = 65 thats %
[18:21] <kevlar_> ah my laptop isn't linux
[18:21] <kevlar_> hang on
[18:21] <philinux> sorry that should be quality = 65
[18:22] <philinux> kevlar_: I've got to go now. good luck
[18:22] <kevlar_> thank yo ufor all your help
[18:23] <philinux> it sounds like a problem with the internal wirless. maybe shielding or other
[18:23] <philinux> cheers bye
[18:24] <Foca_> There a possibility of install JDownloader in ubuntu-server ?
[18:29] <Foca_> What download manager i can use in text mode ?
[19:59] <c_yan_> Hi there. Have a question about Conky on Ubuntu 12.10. Can I make changes to conky.conf? Or do I HAVE to create a conky.rc file and make changes there. If so, why?
[20:00] <holstein> i would just back up the originals and play around
[20:00] <holstein> i use a conky.rc...
[20:00] <c_yan_> Thanks, holstein. When you say originals, do you mean conky.conf?
[20:00] <holstein> c_yan_: to either
[20:02] <c_yan_> Got it. I'm trying to explain how to tweak the conky set up for new users and most places suggest the conky.rc route. But if you backup conky.conf and make changes to that, it seems a little more intuitive to me. Just want to make sure I'm not missing something big.
[21:45] <acolytetojippity> Greetings!  I'm having trouble installing netbeans on 12.10.  Does anyone here have ank knowledge of such things?
[22:56] <polarbear> hi all
[22:56] <polarbear> if i have install itunes on wine.
[22:56] <polarbear> now i want to remove itunes
[22:56] <polarbear> how?