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ironhalikHello00:09
ironhalikI'm wondering about licensing issiues regarding ubuntu development00:09
ironhalikI'm working on an enterprise app that would interface with my software on Ubuntu00:11
ironhalikthe android app would be paid, the Ubuntu part is intended to be open sourced on via launchpad00:11
ironhalikcan I use any part of Ubuntu logo on the paid android app?00:12
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slangasekironhalik: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy00:22
slangasekironhalik: (short answer: no)00:23
ironhalikOr I need to contact canonical :>00:24
ironhalikThanks for the link00:26
GunnarHjbdmurray: still there?00:43
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bdmurrayGunnarHj: yes00:43
GunnarHjbdmurray: Good. I don't see any signs in Launchpad of your SRU uploads.00:44
bdmurrayGunnarHj: well its there - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=100:45
bdmurrayGunnarHj: somebody from the SRU admin team needs to approve it so it ends up in -proposed00:46
GunnarHjbdmurray: Aha, didn't know that. Thanks!00:46
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ubuntu_user2Hello. If anyone is willing to help, I'm having a unique problem in 12.0402:23
mfischrobert_ancell: can we mark this as fix released?  seems to be fixed in Q: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcalctool/+bug/92667603:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 926676 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "False result after special character input" [Medium,Fix committed]03:52
robert_ancellmfisch, yes, if it's in quantal03:52
mfischrobert_ancell: it is as far as I can tell03:53
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pittiGood morning04:45
pittiinfinity: initramfs-tools> pinky thanks!04:45
infinitypitti: Thank me when I get it done.  Working on an obscure glibc bug right now. :P04:46
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pitticjwatson: FYI, just filed bug 1076237; nice example of how autopkgtest detects regressions introduced by a new proposed apt :)05:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076237 in apt (Ubuntu) " /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal creates comment with invalid # character" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107623705:37
infinitypitti: Except that it got the regression target wrong.06:07
infinitypitti: Unless you meant "this is a regression IN $version"... "from" makes it sound like that version was okay.06:08
pittiinfinity: what I meant is that this upload introduced the wrong "#" comment06:13
infinitypitti: Ahh.  The wording was ambiguous, then. ;)06:14
pittiinfinity: so grammatically, "regression in <that version>" is better?06:14
infinitypitti: Or, rearrange the sentence entirely to "This regression appeared in $version"06:14
pittieven better :)06:14
persiaWhen talking about regressions, I think it's important to not only mention when it was introduced, but also against which version it is being compared (as this may not always be the immediately prior version, for example when discovering regressions during release upgrade testing)06:17
infinityautopkgtest doesn't necessarily have a concept of which version worked, only that the current one's broken.06:18
persiaTrue :(06:18
infinityIt's assumed to be a regression only because we assume the tests all currently pass.06:18
infinity(Which won't be true in the case of racy and nondeterministic test-suites, but we need to stamp those out)06:19
pittiyeah, autopkgtest didn't tell me that, I just reviewed the diffs and checked which upload introduced it06:19
persiaall tests passing also isn't true if we start TDDD, where we define the behavioural tests prior to patching packagegs.06:19
infinitypersia: You may have one too many Ds.06:20
persiaI most decidedly don't.06:20
infinityTest-driven dessert development?  Yum.06:20
persiaTest driven distribution development06:20
persiaSee liw's blog posts from ages ago06:20
lifelesso/06:20
persialifeless: Is the highlight on "TDD" or "TDDD" or just fuzzy neural matching semantics beneath the threshold of conciousness?06:21
lifelessgodlike powers of observation06:21
persiaAh, I knew it was something06:21
persiainfinity: So, anyway, the point being that there are ongoing discussions that would lead to actions diametrically opposed to stamping out tests that fail, although the concept of expected-to-pass and expected-to-fail need to be introduced to Jenkins for things to be sensible before that happens.06:22
persia(whlie liw's blog posts are old, some of these discussions were active in the just passed UDS)06:23
pittiI think at the beginning cjwatson only wanted to introduce blocking on autopkgtest regressions06:23
persiaThat's my understanding also.06:23
infinitypersia: I consider an XFAIL a pass, from the POV of not regressing.06:23
pittii. e. if a package test already fails in -release, a -proposed failure wouldn't block06:23
persiainfinity: Excellent then.06:23
pittithat's still a bad situation of course, as eternally failing tests render the whole idea moot06:23
infinity(Granted, I'd prefer if all our software were in a state where XFAIL wasn't ever needed, but whatever)06:24
persiapitti: Are we running against -release for comparison, for packages that haven't been updated since warty?06:24
pittipersia: yes, we run both06:24
pittihttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/06:24
persiaAh, then I misunderstood.  Excellent.06:24
pittiwe started with that, and in quantal we introduced testing against -proposed, too06:24
persiapitti: Thanks for the quick overview: helps me to catch up :)06:25
infinitypitti: Anyhow, yay for it catching a bug, fix uploaded.06:25
pitti infinity: oh, thanks; I was going to wait for mvo for upstreamization, etc.06:26
infinitypitti: This isn't upstream.06:26
pittiso I guess we don't really want to support the # character there then06:26
infinitypitti: No, it's a pleasant coincidence that some bits of apt respect POSIX shell style comments, but the only documented correct comment style is C++.06:27
pittifunny debdiff (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/122343308/apt_0.9.7.6ubuntu2_0.9.7.6ubuntu3.diff.gz)06:27
infinitypitti: So, was just a goof on vorlon's part when he used #, that's all.06:27
pittiyay for having autom4te.cache in packages..06:27
infinityYeah, apt's build system is a mess.06:27
infinityRefreshing the po files on every version bump is lunacy too.06:28
pittiso, thanks!06:28
pittiinfinity: btw, I found that "debuild -S -nc" helps with those cases06:28
pittibut yes, it's still mad06:29
pittiand more important for SRUs06:29
infinitypitti: I use -nc all the time, I don't -nc apt intentionally cause this is also how it updates its version.06:29
infinity(Granted, the version will update on clean during the build, but it'll be wrong in the source until then)06:29
persiaUm, isn't needing to use -nc a bug as clean wouldn't be idempotent?06:29
infinitypersia: clean is idempotent for apt.06:30
infinitypersia: If you mean to use the actual meaning of the word. :P06:30
persiaI think I mean that when you do it, and you do it again, and you do it again, and you do it again, and you get sick of doing it, you notice that doing it once got the same result as doing it all the extra times.06:31
infinityRight, that's what it means.  And it is.06:31
pittithe problem here is what it does at the first time :)06:31
infinityIt's that the first run of clean won't leave you at the same state as you were pre-clean.06:31
infinityDoing it 17 more times won't change state.06:31
persiaBut I don't understand how this could be important for SRUs, as presumably the last upload was also clean.06:32
infinity(Well, except for automate.cache jumping line ordering around, but we'll ignore that)06:32
pittipersia: I meant, it's better to have minimal diffs for SRU reviews06:32
infinitypersia: It just makes SRU diffs more readable, other than that, it matters not.06:32
pittirather than diffs which are full of autom4te and .po update noise, which make the actual changes harder to see06:32
infinityAnd, honestly, our SRU reviewers are smart enough to filter noise from diffs.06:32
persiapitti: Sure, but if I didn't upload -nc last time, I presumably ran clean, so I don't see how running clean again generating a different diff should not be considered a bug.06:33
infinitypersia: Every new version/upload will change some bits on clean.  That's not a problem.06:33
pittiinfinity: actually, I don't think it's idempotent as the .po file timestamps would always change06:33
infinity(Well, it's a horrible build system and silly decision, but it's not actually buggy, just gross)06:33
infinitypitti: Well, okay.  True.  It's logically idempotent, but not literally. :P06:34
* persia agrees with pitti, but admits that this is considered unimportant06:34
infinityAnyhow, fixing that mess is somewhere low on the TODO of pretty much everyone who's ever uploaded the package.06:34
infinityOne of us will get annoyed enough to do it some day.06:34
persiaAh, then it is a bug, just not an important bug.  My worldview is restored.06:35
infinityIt's only a bug in the world where "wishlist" = "bug", which is questionable in some people's minds.06:35
infinityIt's a feature request that the build system not suck.06:35
infinityIt's not buggy that it does suck.06:35
infinity(In that it produces sane results, just suboptimally)06:36
infinityHrm.  I need to file a UI bug with Android: "Please don't tick the battery meter down on the lockscreen when I'm staring at it".06:37
infinityRather disconcerting.06:37
infinityIt may as well make a sucking noise while it's doing it.06:38
jk-PATCH: Add staring-at-phone face detection to lock screen06:44
pittiisn't facelock doing pretty much that already? :-)06:44
FourDollarsWhere are patch pilots? :(07:03
FourDollarscjwatson: ping07:06
dholbachgood morning07:43
IanWizard-Clouddholbach: good night07:47
IanWizard-Cloud(off to bed :P )07:48
IanWizard-Clouddholbach: Have a nice day :)07:48
dholbachIanWizard-Cloud, sleep tight :)07:48
IanWizard-Cloudthx07:48
cjwatsonpitti: that was my initial plan, but I changed my mind during UDS; it'll involve much less fragile tracking to just say that any failure, regression or not, blocks migration, and I don't think we have so many autopkgtests that it's necessary to set up a ratchet08:06
cjwatsonFourDollars: helps to say what you want ...08:06
pitticjwatson: ah, ok; I'm mostly concerned about those which never succeeded08:06
pittiwe should fix them anyway, of course08:07
persiaOr, rather, those that are failing currently in raring, even if they passed previously.08:07
cjwatsonwell, if it's really intractable, worst case we disable them08:07
pittiyeah, at least until we fix them; I'd love to just have them always pass, it just will take a bit08:08
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janimoslangasek, I just did as with previous kernel packages I co-maintained, just used native packaging. The ubuntu kernel package seems to be native too. But I agree having upstream + delta would be nicer08:23
cjwatsonThe Ubuntu kernel package is randomly native or not depending on whether the kernel team remembers to put the orig in place :-)08:25
cjwatson(as far as I can tell)08:25
FourDollarscjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~fourdollars/ubuntu/precise/ubiquity/lp1046241/+merge/13265308:29
FourDollarscjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~fourdollars/language-selector/singleton_and_escape_key/+merge/13259508:29
FourDollarscjwatson: Could you help to review my patches?08:30
cjwatsonFourDollars: I can look at ubiquity but not language-selector.  However you need to work based on lp:~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/precise-proposed08:30
smbcjwatson, Huh? Oops, which release has not? Usually it should happen as soon as there is a orig from the upstream I would believe...08:31
FourDollarscjwatson: Thanks for your information.08:31
persiasmb: So it's native until upstream release, then non-native?08:48
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smbpersia, yes08:54
apwpersia, right we don't really have a valid .orig until linus releases with the version we are using08:54
persiaFor other packages, we tend to create a fake (incorrect) .orig, marked to indicate it's a git snapshot in a version-safe way.08:55
persiaUsually something like appending ~gitYYYYMMDD to the orig version string.08:56
persiaDepends if you ever want to upload something with just packaging or sauce changes, rather than upstream changes.  If so, saves bandwidth to have an orig.  If not, doesn't matter that much except insofar as it might be confusing to others.08:57
cjwatsonsmb: ah, yes, you're right, only 3.7.0 lacks it right now which is sane enough.  It used to be more haphazard, so thanks for fixing your process :-)09:01
cjwatsonFourDollars: I can go ahead and backport that patch to the right branch now if you like09:03
cjwatsonFourDollars: unless you already have something in progress09:03
FourDollarscjwatson: If you can do that, that will be great. :D09:03
FourDollarscjwatson: Thanks a lot.09:04
cjwatsonFourDollars: OK, done.  Not uploading quite yet because I'm going to need to upload ubiquity soonish for secure boot patches which I haven't yet backported09:08
FourDollarscjwatson: Got it, Thanks. :)09:08
mlankhorstcan someone drop the xorg-xserver in the sru queue for quantal?09:08
pittimlankhorst: apparently someone already did, I don't see it09:09
pittihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=xorg only has nouveau09:09
mlankhorstah k :)09:10
pittimlankhorst: unless you uploaded it in the last 4 minutes?09:10
mlankhorstnah09:10
FourDollarspitti: Could you help to review https://code.launchpad.net/~fourdollars/language-selector/singleton_and_escape_key/+merge/132595 ?09:10
pittinot right now, but I'll be patch-piloting on Monday and can get to it then09:11
* cjwatson starts to get a handle on the python-apt failure09:13
cjwatsonmissing Architecture: lines in the test Packages files; now to determine whether that's a deliberate increase in strictness or a bug09:13
FourDollarspitti: I see. Thanks.09:15
FourDollarspitti: Do you know where is the Patch Pilots schedule? Any wiki page?09:16
pittithere's a google calendar for it09:16
FourDollarspitti: Could you give me the link?09:17
pittiit's on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews09:17
FourDollarspitti: Excellent! thanks a lot.09:18
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pittithat's going to be fun: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=missing-testsuite-header;users=autopkgtest-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org10:15
pittilet's see how many of those actually work10:15
Laney\o/10:16
dholbach:-)10:16
LaneyI saw that Debian got a jenkins instance too: http://jenkins.debian.net/10:16
dholbachbut I couldn't find the autopkgtests in there10:17
pittiyes, that mass bug filing started because of that10:17
dholbachand 4 of those bugs are already marked wontfix :/10:17
pittiit was just set up, it's not yet doing autopkgtest10:17
pittidholbach: yeah, Jakub Wilk did that without explanation10:17
Laneyhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685508#1010:18
ubottuDebian bug 685508 in src:sphinx "Please add "XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest" header in debian/control" [Wishlist,Open]10:18
pittiah10:19
pittiso, we'd need to convince LP to generate a Contents-source.gz10:20
xnoxdholbach: pitti: did anybody talk to jwilk?10:30
pittinot me, I just saw his response10:30
pittiso if they want to use that field for jenkins.d.o, that certainly works10:31
pittibut we need to add it until Soyuz learns about contents-source.gz10:32
Laneyit's not certain if he's just a lone voice yet though10:34
mptev, hi, I just experienced bug 1012358. Anything I can provide to help debug it?10:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1012358 in apport (Ubuntu) "This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101235810:48
caribou_tseliot: ping10:48
evmpt: attach the report to the log10:48
evit will be in /var/crash10:48
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evand ew, a python tuple in an error message10:49
evmpt: we really need to turn that UDS presentation of yours into a thousand error dialog paper cuts or something similar10:49
mptev, unfortunately, this is one of (cough) five error reports I'm being asked about at the moment ... How do I tell which one it is? :-)10:50
mptfive errors, I mean10:50
evis the dialog still up?10:51
mptyes10:51
evmpt: xprop | grep WM_PID in a terminal window10:52
evclick on the error dialog10:52
evthat will get you the PID10:52
evthen ps aux | grep $whatever_the_pid_is10:52
mptoh, now one of the others did the same thing10:52
mptok10:52
evand that *should* give you something like /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk /var/crash/the_report_file.crash10:52
evI hope10:53
mptev, no such luck ... it just gives me "mpt       5024  0.1  1.4 160076 28520 ?        Sl   10:44   0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk"10:54
evoh right10:54
evbecause it's being launched from update-notifier in "process all the outstanding reports" mode10:54
evmaybe just send a zip of your entire /var/crash directory10:55
mptAh, that's why I get five at once?10:55
evyup10:55
mptYeah, we should fix that :-)10:55
evbug please10:55
evbe sure to tag it :)10:55
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cjwatsonogra_: Do you know if there's any chance of overlayfs being turned on in the nexus7 kernel?  I don't quite know where to file bugs10:58
persiajanimo: ^^10:59
dholbachcjwatson, there's a ubuntu-nexus7 project in LP10:59
* mpt uses "sudo file-roller" to add root files to the archive, and feels dirty10:59
xnoxmpt: use gksudo and feel all "gnomish" =)11:01
mptxnox, file-roller should use PolicyKit to get permission to read the files11:01
* xnox > seb128 11:02
seb128xnox, patches are welcome ;-)11:03
cjwatsondholbach: ah, thanks11:03
evwork items are great and all, but I'd love to be able to indicate finer grained progress for individual items11:07
evbut compared to what we used to deal with, I'm so happy to have this11:08
seb128ev, split the item in more details?11:10
zequenceWhere can I find more info on how Ubuntu syncs packages from Debian?11:10
zequence..for the development release of Ubuntu, that is11:10
evseb128: yeah, perhaps this is the equivalent of a code smell. I need to refactor my work items :)11:10
ogra_cjwatson, well, there is a linux-nexus7 package in the queue, waiting to enter the archive i think ... once thats in, that should be the bug target, for now dholbach is right, use the nexus7 project11:11
mptev, I added the archive11:12
evmpt: cheers, I'll have a look momentarily11:12
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zequenceOr more specifically, from which Debian repo(s) does Ubuntu development release get their packages from? testing/experimental?11:14
diwiczequence, unstable by default11:15
diwiczequence, testing for LTS releases11:15
persiadiwic: In practice, but aren't there some package-specific hints for some packages in the sync scripts?11:16
diwicpersia, if so, that's more than I know of11:16
cjwatsonpersia: No.11:18
cjwatsondiwic is correct, although if our current stability work turns out well then we may just stick with unstable for the next LTS too.11:18
cjwatson(Will need discussion.)11:18
cjwatsonzequence: the auto-sync script in https://code.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-archive-tools is what actually does the work.11:19
zequencecjwatson: Thanks11:20
persiacjwatson: Hrm.  I thought I remembered some continued syncs from experimental, but indeed, it seems that was the result of concientious archive-admins rather than autosync.11:21
cjwatsonOr possibly just self-service syncs by developers.11:22
persiaMy memory of that predates that facility, but yes, that is likely more true now :)11:22
cjwatsonWe did occasionally use to get requests to sync stuff from experimental; I don't remember doing so routinely, only on request11:24
cjwatson(But you may not necessarily have seen the requests, of course :-) )11:24
persiaIndeed, as there were N fora in which they appeared :)11:25
janimocjwatson, ogra_ overlayfs is not part of our 3.1 based Nexus kernel. We'll need to backport if it is required for the installer. If it is a SAUCE patch in Ubuntu it will be part of the sync-up that should happen so the nexus kernel is as close to Ubuntu's as possible11:32
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ogra_diwic, i dont see you in #ubuntu-arm, for the nexus there are two android files at https://android.googlesource.com/device/asus/grouper/+/7fce7d56cb077e869b9509cd2770d92e8cf29dcc/audio_policy.conf and https://android.googlesource.com/device/asus/grouper/+/7fce7d56cb077e869b9509cd2770d92e8cf29dcc/mixer_paths.xml , nots sure that helps though :)11:35
ogra_oh, and there is https://android.googlesource.com/device/asus/grouper/+/7fce7d56cb077e869b9509cd2770d92e8cf29dcc/audio/ with some .c files11:35
mptev, on the tagging thing, I think it might be a bit quicker overall if you use a project group, containing apport, whoopsie, daisy, and errors11:36
evmpt: I think I tried to turn whoopsie-daisy into that, but because it was already a project it didn't work11:37
evany suggestions for a name11:37
ev?11:37
mptev, because LP can show an aggregated bug listing for a project group. So instead of the chore being tagging whoopsie-daisy bugs in every project, the chore would then be making sure apport bugs were filed upstream. Still a chore, but you'd need to do that for fewer bugs.11:37
mptev, ubuntu-error-tracker?11:38
cjwatsonjanimo: I think it's sauce11:42
evmpt: at what point did you see this error dialog? Was it after you hit show details or continue?11:43
mptev, I got it twice. I think I had clicked "Show Details" in all five. I don't know whether the error was for one of the ones I'd already clicked "Continue" for.11:44
mpt(for two of the ones, rather)11:45
evI think this may be dependent on information it's collecting as part of that Show Details step, as I can't seem to reproduce it here11:45
evpitti: ^ are you okay with me adding the apport project to an ubuntu-error-tracker project group?11:46
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pittiev: sure, that sounds sensible11:47
evcool11:47
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evpitti, mpt: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/21366611:52
pittiev: thanks, subscribed11:52
tseliotcaribou: pong12:08
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diwicogra_, yeah, that's the same files I've seen as well, but as cyagenomod. That's where I got the idea to try 44100 kHz only, thinking that Pulseaudio's initial probing might cause something to stall12:44
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cariboutseliot: I'm back.12:45
cariboutseliot: just wanted to let you know that my Nvidia install issue automagically disapeareed12:45
cariboutseliot: I was able to enable nvidia-current. But I suspect that, in the meantime, I installed the linux-headers pkg12:46
cariboutseliot: and it was needed for the dkms build12:46
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tseliotcaribou: ah, good13:47
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Davieyxnox: hey, are you looking to merge autofs?13:56
xnoxDaviey: yes.13:58
xnoxDaviey: you want it urgently?13:58
Davieyxnox: no,just going through the packages i care most for :)14:00
xnox;-)14:00
evpitti: can you hit "Change details" on http://launchpad.net/apport and put "ubuntu-error-tracker" in the "Part of" field?14:00
Davieyconsidering debian has been in freeze.. the list is larger than i hoped :)14:00
pittiev: oui, je peux14:01
evcheers14:01
pittiev: done14:01
evyay14:01
evmpt: bam! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-error-tracker14:02
pittiev: that just made me aware of an OMGcritical bug14:02
evoh?14:02
pittiev: daisy and whoopsie SO MUCH need a proper icon!14:02
evhahaha I was just thinking that a moment ago14:02
evmpt? :)14:03
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evpitti: ps. I'm trying to get a handle on this lovely one: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118068239/Traceback.txt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/105993814:03
ubottuError: malone bug 1059938 not found14:03
evI'd quickly assume it's hardware (which we should handle, regardless), but I'm not ruling out something more nefarious14:03
mptpitti, ev: I requested a better icon for the error alerts themselves, but yes, it would be sweet to have related icons for the components14:04
pittiev: yeah, if it doesn't have dupes, I'm inclined to attribute it to cosmic rays14:05
mptpitti, it's happened to me three times today, and sunspot activity has been quiet this week14:07
evgod damn I love errors.ubuntu.com14:07
evI mean, I realise that's slightly self-congratulatory14:08
pittimpt: oh, you can reproduce this?14:08
evbut I looked at apport and there was just that one instance14:08
evthen I looked at https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=apport-gtk&from=year14:08
evand it's the #3 most common issue in apport14:08
pittiev: wow, and look at the rate 13.04 is getting better :)14:08
mptpitti, no, it's just three that happened to appear today14:09
ev:) mpt has some math to smooth those spikes out14:09
pittiok, so that is real then14:09
mptpitti, I think the first day of 13.04 was just 12 of the same problem14:09
mptor something like that14:09
pittiit still looks nice :)14:09
evmpt: how wide do you think the range of dates for the average number of errors per calendar day graph should be? Too wide and we run the risk of the milestone markers overlapping14:15
ev(with it expanding on the right hand side to include the next release day)14:16
evpitti: you said that ddebs.u.c was back to normal, right?14:19
pittiev: it should, yes14:19
evyay14:19
pittithe bug got closed anyway14:20
ev:)14:20
evcheers14:20
evI've notified webops14:20
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* xnox did something naughty14:44
* xnox -> lunch14:44
highvoltagexnox: explain.14:54
Quintasanbdrung: nudge14:54
bdrungQuintasan: you are desperately waiting for it?14:55
Quintasanbdrung: Not really THAT impotant but just nudging you14:56
bdrungokay :)14:56
bdrungQuintasan: the fingerprints lay on my desk. so i will not forget to sign the keys.14:57
QuintasanOh14:57
QuintasanThat's quite a good idea14:57
* Quintasan spreads the keys on his desk14:57
bdrungQuintasan: there are 5 other items on the disk that require my action. there are ~10 mails waiting for my reply. there are at least 2 patches that i should look at. i want to write a blog post...14:58
bdrungat least the keys are not buried under more staff :)14:59
Quintasanblog post14:59
Quintasancrap14:59
* Quintasan goes off to do something productive instead of annoying poeple14:59
Quintasanpeople*14:59
bdrungQuintasan: i recommend to work on that: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/15:01
Quintasanalt+f415:01
Quintasanbdrung: :P15:01
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pittixnox: FWIW, if nobody complained about the lack of ndiswrapper since precise, let's try and drop it for good; it uses a ton of old libraries which we try to get rid of15:18
stgraber+115:19
cjwatsonLaney: you can go ahead and kill that cloud instance you set up for me to debug python-apt - thanks!15:20
Laneycjwatson: righto - nailed down?15:20
Laneyeet eez deleted15:21
cjwatsonLaney: well, mostly15:21
cjwatsonLaney: I'm still a bit nervous that it was only reproducible on some systems, but it amounted to apt being at least vaguely intentionally stricter about Packages stanzas without an Architecture field15:22
cjwatsonso after debugging for hours to try to figure out where the discrepancy was, I gave up and made the trivial test fix since it was clearly busted anyway15:22
xnoxpitti: what "old libraries" are talking about? =))) http://launchpadlibrarian.net/122375899/ndisgtk_0.8.5-1_0.8.5-1ubuntu1.diff.gz15:24
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pittixnox: oh, err, wow!15:24
xnoxpitti: I found out that there is no kernel module at the final step of testing in the live cd....15:25
stgraber:)15:25
dobeycan i get someone to approve the u1db binnew in raring-proposed so it gets to raring?15:27
pittimpt, ev: I found a similar bug which is very very likely the same reason, and duplicated bug 105993815:28
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 1059938 could not be found15:28
pittithe new master is public and has some analysis15:28
cjwatsonxnox: "replace program with new program" :-)15:28
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pittianyway, time to stop sitting in front of that computer for today and play some Badminton, cu tomorrow!15:28
cjwatsondobey: looking15:29
xnoxcjwatson:  "[14:44] * xnox did something naughty"15:29
cjwatsonheh, I wondered15:29
pittixnox: what about * Port Windows drivers to Linux"?15:29
* pitti ducks and heads off15:29
xnoxpitti: that was done part of canonical re-writting linux kernel in python, wasn't it?15:30
cjwatsondobey: done15:31
dobeycjwatson: thanks!15:33
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jetsaredimis there a guide for making changes to a package and then submitting them for approval?15:36
astraljavajetsaredim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff might work?15:38
jetsaredimastraljava: possibly15:40
mptev, can you stagger alternating milestone markers?15:47
mptev, i.e. odd-numbered ones higher than even-numbered ones15:48
evmpt: you mean raise or lower their height? Won't that ultimately have the same problem (at the cost of a lot of extra computation)15:48
mptev, eventually.15:49
evmpt: so you'd like to see if we can include all the data we have so far for the default view?15:49
mptev, definitely, I'd like to see the past five years in the default view15:50
evokay, I'll give that a bash15:50
mpt(even if the horizontal scale ends up a log scale to show the past few months in more detail)15:50
evmpt: wouldn't that be confusing given that our x-axis currently only shows values for the milestone dates?15:53
evit would be hard to see that it was in fact a log scale15:53
mptev, it would, we'd need to add other tick marks before then15:54
mptor at the same time15:54
mterry@pilot in15:56
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* dholbach hugs mterry16:02
mterry:)16:02
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bdmurrayev: is there a way to track current error counts for a bucket?  I know a fix for a crash has been released and I want to make sure it drops to 016:10
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evbdmurray: I'm not sure I follow. How is this different to looking at the instance count for the version you just uploaded?16:11
jetsaredimwhat is the review process for a patch to a quantal package?16:12
bdmurrayev: well, its bug 875879 where the error was in aptdaemon not update-manager.16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 875879 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Quantal) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in show_diff(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group'" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87587916:12
bdmurrayev: I was thinking about something like https://errors.ubuntu.com/api/1.0/problems-count/?format=json&period=day&limit=14 but for the specific bucket16:14
evhmm, that's doable, but I wonder if that's the ideal solution, given others are going to run into this and not know about the API16:21
evbrb16:21
seb128can somebody set https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/quantal/nux/fix-1039155/+merge/128422 to Work In Progress to get it out of the sponsoring queue? (c.f comments, it's not ready to be uploaded)16:21
ogra_slangasek, do you happen to know what the --tty= option of plymouth does exactly ? i was trying to use it to force a splash on the nexus but it doesnt seem to affect the splash side of things, only stdio16:23
bdmurrayev: I guess I'd like to "subscribe" to the bucket and get emails regarding counts16:24
slangasekogra_: it certainly is supposed to affect which tty the splash appears on16:25
ogra_hmm, i think i added --tty=/dev/tty1 to all plymouthd calls in the boot process, but it still seems to use the console= option16:25
ogra_slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1342880/16:26
ogra_the nexus bootloader has a hardcoded console=none ... we override that with the kernel cmdline options to console=tty116:26
ogra_but it seems to pick none as default no matter what i do16:26
ogra_add_consoles_from_kernel_command_line:console /dev/none found!16:27
ogra_and that is a clear lie :)16:27
slangasekogra_: oh; but console != tty of course16:28
ogra_there is no /dev/none anywhere16:28
slangasekso this would be a bug in plymouth's /proc/cmdline parsing16:28
ogra_yeah, it should ignore =none16:28
slangasek(IIRC, one you've run into in the past on ARM :P)16:28
ogra_i only ran into the "serial ttys foirce splash to off" one16:29
slangasekyes, which is the same bug :)16:29
ogra_and that seems fixed since 0.8.516:29
ogra_(which we dont have yet)16:29
slangasekplymouth should support multiple specifications of console= and DTRT with them16:29
slangasekok16:29
ogra_right16:29
ogra_http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=6baab7a8f889f6b48cb559fd5a62750203f62c3b16:30
ogra_(at leats that one is lonked from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239)16:30
ubottuFreedesktop bug 22239 in general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New]16:30
jodhogra_: have you tried the '--kernel-command-line=...' option? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth16:31
slangasekwe certainly don't want to embed something like that16:31
ogra_slangasek, well, but it might help for a test :)16:31
slangaseksure16:31
ogra_i at least would like to see a splash at some point to make sure the framebuffer driver doesnt mess up16:32
jodhslangasek: purely for testing :)16:32
slangasekogra_: btw, I guess you missed my question over the weekend about not being able to ssh into my nexus16:33
ogra_hmm, no splash16:33
ogra_slangasek, well, did you install openssh-server ?16:34
ogra_we dont ship it preinstalled16:34
slangasekam I being trolled16:34
ogra_heh, sorry16:34
ogra_the dev images used to have it by default16:34
slangasekogra_: yes, I can tell the difference between a machine that's running an ssh server and one that isn't ;)16:34
ogra_we only disabled it in the last build before UDS, thats why i'm asking16:35
slangasekogra_: the problem I'm seeing is that the connection hangs *after* authentication, once the tty is supposed to be opened16:35
slangasekand I then can't kill the client using either ^C or ~.16:35
ogra_wow, weird16:35
slangasekso it's in some weird state16:35
ogra_never had that prob here, did you create your own user or do you use ubuntu@ ?16:36
slangasekubuntu@16:36
slangasekI don't see how it could be related to the user, though16:36
slangasekI'm suspecting a bug in the network drivre16:36
slangasekdriver16:36
slangasekbecause there are some suspicious retransmits shown in a packet trace16:36
ogra_might be, but its the first time i hear about it16:37
slangasekyou should bring your nexus over to my wireless, to see if it's reproducible :P16:37
ogra_hahaha, ok, approve the flight and i'll be right there16:37
seb128mdeslaur, did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-django/+bug/1068486 while doing piloting yesterday?16:37
slangasekok, if you haven't heard anything about it I guess I'll keep futzing until I figure it out :)16:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1068486 in python-django (Ubuntu) "Please backport Django 1.3.4/1.4.2 security updates" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:37
* ogra_ could need the miles16:37
seb128mdeslaur, (I guess security uploads need sponsoring from somebody in the security team)16:38
ogra_mfisch, did you ever see any issues with ssh'ing into the nexus ?16:38
ogra_(or heard about them)16:38
bdmurrayfwiw I haven't had any issues and I'm closer to slangasek16:39
mfischogra_: I had issues more with wifi/connectivity16:40
mdeslaurseb128: no, didn't notice that yesterday...jdstrand is on community this week, so he'll go down the security sponsoring list at some point16:40
slangasekbdmurray: I thought the Columbia river was a barrier passable only through heroic effort and at great personal risk ;)16:40
seb128mdeslaur, ok, thanks16:40
mfischogra_: where I'd have to try ssh 2-3 times before I could get in, but I haven't seen that at home16:40
mfischwhats the issue?16:40
ogra_mfisch, for slangasek the connect attempt seems to hang the whole connection16:41
mfischI never saw that16:41
ogra_i have seen that before but never on the nexus16:41
slangasekmfisch: see scrollback for details; summary: connected to wifi, the ssh connection consistently hangs right after sending env variables (according to ssh -v), leaving the client in limbo16:41
mfischwe had those early issues with the certs, but those were all fixed16:41
ogra_(in a way that you cant ctrl-c out of it and need to kill -9 from another termianl)16:41
slangasekbdmurray: but yeah, happy for you to swing by sometime and check if this is reproducible, or trade off hardware or something16:42
ogra_and now that i think about it, i have actually only ever seen it on arm16:42
mfischI'll be back in 20, will catch up on SB then16:42
slangasek(much though it would pain me to part with nexus7-geekiest)16:42
ogra_lol, well, newer images  just use uuidgen now16:43
ogra_no more shiny names16:43
ogra_there are to many explicit words in dict16:43
xnoxjodh: you rock! =)16:46
jodhxnox: autopkgtest you mean?16:47
xnoxyeah =)16:47
ogra_[main.c]          add_display_and_keyboard_for_console:adding display and keyboard for console /dev/none16:47
ogra_*sniff*16:47
jodhxnox: ... I'll send you one of my new grey hairs after spending the day poking it for that compliment! :-)16:48
xnoxjodh: nah... I have enough thanks =)16:48
jodhxnox: haven't achieved full disentanglement, but I think its close.16:49
ogra_so the --kernel-commandline= option is ignored as well16:49
ogra_from the log it looks like it is a newly spawned process doing that though16:49
Logan_Can somebody please perform a requeue on the hives package, per Bug 714622?16:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 714622 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "import fails when lp branch has been push --overwrite'n" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71462216:49
Logan_$ requeue_package.py --full hivex16:50
Logan_(meant hivex above as well)16:50
cjwatsonLogan_: #bzr or #launchpad probably better16:50
Logan_Hmm, alright.16:50
Logan_I figured this would be the most specific channel for that kind of request.16:51
xnoxLogan_: hmm.... but I don't think I pushed over-wrote hivex.16:52
Logan_Oh, weird.16:53
xnoxLogan_: maybe it's the raring-proposed -> raring & britney interraction with udd?!16:53
Logan_There are so many packages with that error, I was beginning to speculate that push --overwrite wasn't the only thing causing it.16:53
Logan_Ooh, that's an interesting conjecture...16:53
xnoxLogan_: what's the actual error/bug you are seeing with hivex?16:54
Logan_When I try to do bzr branch ubuntu:hivex, the branch is reported as "OUT-OF-DATE."16:54
Logan_I was going to do a Debian merge. :P16:54
Laneyit happens, and shouldn't stop you - the old tools are still available16:56
Laneyor you could likely use bzr import-dsc to still use the bzr workflow if in the end you supply a debdiff to be sponsored16:56
slangasekimport-dsc of a Debian version is a good way to ensure the branch remains broken16:57
slangaseksince that needs to happen on the Debian branch, which you won't be able to write to16:57
LaneyI carefully suggested not pushing anything16:57
slangasekoh, you said debdiff, right16:59
slangaseksorry, had momentarily forgotten what those were ;)16:59
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evbdmurray: can you file a bug for this against http://bugs.launchpad.net/errors ? With your json API and subscription ideas17:15
bdmurrayev: of course17:15
evthanks17:15
evI just want to have more of a think of how this will look in the UI17:16
seb128could somebody reject https://code.launchpad.net/~carifio/lightdm/lightdm-lp967229/+merge/131478 ?17:19
stgraberseb128: done17:20
seb128stgraber, thanks17:20
Laneycan we get an "ubuntu-13.04-feature-freeze" milestone?17:20
stgraberLaney: doing17:22
LaneyI forget what we agreed at UDS - wasn't it monthly ones except for (as well as?) feature freeze and beta?17:23
Laneystgraber: thanks17:23
stgraberLaney: done. I also moved beta-1 to the proper date17:23
* Laney hands stgraber a Launchpad Gardener achievement17:24
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jpdsLaney: I'm sure any garden next to a rocket launchpad is doomed17:25
smoseris there some way to convince 'do-release-upgrade' to just do the thing and not prompt me?17:27
smoserdo-release-upgrade --just-do-it-already!17:27
seb128can somebody mark https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/telepathy-logger/lp1049210/+merge/131497 merged?17:39
smoserhm.. seems like : do-release-upgrade --frontend=DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive17:40
smoserseb128, that happened to me too recently.17:40
smoser"Ubuntu branches" was requested for the merge, and as a result i couldn't do anything.17:40
smoserwas there some change that is causing this?17:40
seb128smoser, no, it was always like that, merge requests targeted to a stable serie are "stucked"17:42
smoserah. so 'stable' was what was different.17:43
seb128quantal is frozen, the request should have been targetting an active serie, e.g quantal-proposed17:43
smoserright.17:43
smoserwell, but annoyingly there is no 'quantal-proposed' for the first sru17:43
seb128smoser, yeah, UDD doesn't work great for SRUs17:46
smoserdarkxst, ^ can you mark that merged?17:48
dobeybarry: did you subscribe twisted-buildslaves to your ubuntuone-control-panel branch?17:53
cjwatsonsigh, coreutils is one of those packages that can't build on overlayfs, isn't it ...18:12
cjwatson(tail -f tests run into broken inotify support)18:13
xnoxcjwatson: $ mk-sbuild --vg scratchvg raring18:25
xnox=)))))))18:25
xnoxlvm snapshots win over overlayfs =)18:26
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stgraberthat or just replace tail by a symlink to the busybox binary18:27
cjwatsonthat wouldn't be a terribly brilliant test of coreutils tail18:27
stgraberindeed :)18:27
stgraberI'm surprised nobody fixed the kernel to actually do inotify on overlayfs, that bug has been there for years now...18:28
cjwatsonand yes, I'll start using lvm snapshots when I get round to rearranging partitions on my laptop18:29
cjwatson(i.e. not soon but ...)18:29
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Davieymeh, i wouldn't switch back to lvm myself.18:30
xnoxcjwatson: well I did partitions surgery late last cycle to have half disk encrypted lvm and the other half "unembargo" aka non-encrypted lvm for builds.18:31
xnoxnow, I need to test grub2+luks+lvm without separate /boot and then I can switch to that & convert my /boot to be come UEFI system partition18:31
xnoxthis is a surgery for this cycle =)18:32
Sweetsharkdoko_: I scped boost1.49_1.49.0-3.1ubuntu4 for raring to chinstrap btw18:33
barrydobey: re bug 1029094: do you need anything more from me?18:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1029094 in Ubuntu One Control Panel trunk "Replace simplejson with json" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102909418:48
dobeybarry: don't think so; but glyph was complaining about getting spammed by the bug (was actually the merge proposal); and it looks like for some reason twisted-buildslaves was subscribed to the branch which you proposed18:50
barrydobey: weird18:50
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darkxstsmoser, done.19:30
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alexbligh1cdrom/try-usb was removed from cdrom-detect somewhere between lucid & precise; does something else in the installer use this flag?20:38
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Davieytyhicks: Geez, why do you still need a sponsor?20:58
tyhicksDaviey: Because I still don't know what I'm doing half of the time :)20:58
Davieytyhicks: join the club :)20:58
tyhicksDaviey: I'm also waiting on sbeattie20:58
Logan_mterry: Regarding Bug 1038298 (which you just forwarded to Debian), that typo only appears in the Ubuntu delta...20:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1038298 in zsh (Ubuntu) "zshrc comment typo: .zprofice should be .zprofile" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103829820:59
Davieytyhicks: I've said the same to him.. but i think i went as far to say i wasn't going to sponsor his work anymore, to try and persuade him to apply.20:59
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tyhicksNot a bad idea... :)21:00
Davieytyhicks: I take that back, your upload isn't lintian clean. :)   E: acpid changes: bad-ubuntu-distribution-in-changes-file raring21:00
tyhicksSee...21:01
mterryLogan_, shoot.  I looked at the changelog to see if that were the case, but I didn't look at the actual delta with debian21:03
mterryLogan_, OK, thanks.  I'll close that bug out then.  :-/21:03
Logan_mterry: Haha, alright. No worries.21:03
Logan_mterry: Also, any chance of approving my merge request, in that case?21:04
mterryLogan_, sure21:04
barrybdmurray: uploaded to quantal-proposed21:08
tyhicksDaviey: Actually, I just tried lintian again and didn't see that error. What am I missing?21:10
Davieytyhicks: Sorry.. I did this from my 12.04 system, which didn't know raring was a valid release.  You did nothing wrong, i was pulling your chain.21:13
tyhicksAha... I figured that was the problem :)21:14
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mterry@pilot out21:40
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mightyiamhiii raring here from upgrade from quantal. when logging in through lightdm i get thrown back to lightdm immediately. which logs should i check?21:55
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mightyiami've something in auth.log about dbus rejected send message seems to be from indicator-session-service to console-kit-daemon21:59
mightyiamotherwise i didn't find anything terrifying in the logs22:00
mightyiamlibsecret-1-0 conflicts with itself. this causes a conflict between the amd64 and the i386 versions of it, breaking stuff when ia32-libs-multiarch is needed22:09
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mightyiamsubmitted the libsecret issue as bug #107676622:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076766 in libsecret (Ubuntu) "raring libsecret-1-0 conflicts with itself" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107676622:21
mightyiamissue where i can't login is submitted as bug #107677722:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076777 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Get thrown back to lightdm right after trying to log in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107677722:34
TheMusomightyiam: Are you possibly getting this bug? https://launchpad.net/bugs/107678723:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076787 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GLX error: Can not get required symbols" [Undecided,New]23:02
slangasekmmm23:03
slangasekxnox: ?23:03
TheMusoHe was planning to turn in. I was following on in #ubuntu-desktop where he noted that he filed this bug.23:05
slangasekok23:05
slangasekhmm, why does he have fglrx installed on an intel system?23:06
slangasekSarvatt: fwiw the system in bug #1076787 is xnox's laptop, I'm reasonably certain he didn't have a removable AMD card in it23:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076787 in xorg (Ubuntu Raring) "GLX error: Can not get required symbols" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107678723:09
slangasekwhich suggests to me that the fglrx may not have been of his choosing :/23:10
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