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dogmatic69anyone got a stats page for download numbers?00:57
ali1234http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_downloaded_Android_applications01:04
ali1234http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/downloads/01:06
ali1234i could go on...01:07
ali1234there's no stats on ubuntu downloads if that is what you meant01:08
ali1234the best stats anyone found is wikimedia browser stats01:09
ali1234but those are terrible and require a large amount of analysis to get anything even remotely meaningful01:09
dogmatic69ali1234: ye, ubuntu downloads.01:13
dogmatic69browser stats is pointless as it misses servers01:13
ali1234downloads are pointless too because it missed torrents01:13
dogmatic69ye01:14
ali1234and besides i downloaded 4 ubuntu isos last week01:14
dogmatic69they could just include some privacy busting call home stuff01:14
ali1234yes but they only just put that in in the latest release01:14
ali1234and the stats are unlikely to be public anyway01:14
ali1234there is popcon but it isn't on by default01:15
ali1234http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=coreutils01:15
ali1234i'm guessing most debian users have coreutils...01:15
shaunounique addresses hitting security.ubuntu.com's repos would be an interesting one.  or the closest I can think of to interesting, at least01:16
directhexpopcon is opt-in though01:19
ali1234yeah, i bet a larger fraction of debian users opt in than ubuntu users01:22
directhexbedtime.01:22
ali1234dogmatic69: basically you won't ever get more than a general trend, and even that is entirely open to debate due to the scarcity of data01:25
dogmatic69ye01:25
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Advocacy Development Kit - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/11/08/ubuntu-advocacy-development-kit/01:30
ali1234oh great ^01:36
ali1234advocacy doesn't work01:51
ali1234and even if it did, community support already can't handle the existing user base01:52
ali1234every hour you spend designing posters and planning release parties is an hour you could have spent learning how to fix bugs and then fixing bugs01:54
AlanBellmorning all07:23
popeymorning07:52
AlanBello/07:53
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diploMorning all08:03
theopensourcerermorning08:04
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daubersMorning08:32
BigRedSGood Morning!09:18
BigRedSAnyone got a recommendation for an S3 browser? So I could click around it as if it were a real filesystem?09:21
diplodaubers: nice work on the printer :)09:24
JamesTaitGood morning all! :)09:27
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daubersdiplo: \o/ just miles of calibration to do now09:28
danfishBigRedS: isn't there an s3 fuse implementation?09:42
danfishhttp://code.google.com/p/s3fs/09:42
danfishfailing that dragondisk09:43
popeycan someone on quantal try something for me? right click the dash icon in the top left, you should get a menu, now with that open, press Super+S to show all workspaces, then come out of that again with Super+S. Do you still see the context menu for the dash?09:44
popeyalso, simpler test. over mouse over dash so you get a "Dash Home" tooltip, press super+s, then super+S again, now move the mouse away from the launcher, note that every time you press super+s and come out, it always has the tooltip09:46
directhexsuper-s doesn't work for me when the menu is open09:46
directhextooltip seems normal enough to me?09:47
popeyif you hold down super as you come out of super+s, the tooltip "Dash Home" always appears, it shouldnt09:47
popeyit should only appear when you mouse over the dash09:47
popeybut it seems to remember if you happened to Super+S as you had the mouse over the dash button09:47
BigRedSdanfish: ta!09:48
popeymight be a regression in this unity I'm testing09:48
diploWorks ok here popey09:50
popeyhmm09:51
directhexworks ok here too09:52
popeyhmmm09:52
directhexannoyed enough by json to blog about it, i think09:54
Laneywhat aspect of it?09:55
AlanBelldirecthex: that stuff is in Fedora too, and explicitly on their list of bad licenses09:58
AlanBellhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing#Bad_Licenses09:59
directhexLaney, the license09:59
DavieyLaney: Must be used for good and not evil.  Googlecode removed jsmin for the same reason, as it's non-free10:03
AlanBelland it is in PHP10:04
Laneyyeah I know about it, I was just wondering what form the annoyance was taking10:04
DavieyAnd also dangerous, as good and evil are not legally defined.  It's arguably as dangerous as a submarine patient10:04
directhexit's childish more tha  anything10:13
directhexit's unbelievable to me that anyone past puberty would think it was a good idea10:13
Myrttithere's no fax software for ubuntu anymore?10:47
Myrttior am I just being blind10:47
BigRedSfax? 1997 called...10:50
Myrttiyeah I know10:51
Myrttiwhat can I say, lawyers pfftt10:51
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:58
BigRedSG'morning11:31
brobostigonmorning BigRedS11:31
LaneyTVL nastygram11:36
Laney"Whatever you're watching, however you're watching it, your home needs a TV license."11:36
mgdmheh, that's easy to dissect11:42
Laneyindeed11:44
jacobwthey should wind up the pretense and introduce a culture tax already12:22
andylockranhowdy al12:23
andylockranl12:23
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popeydavmor2, poke13:33
popeyopen software centre, in the banner at the top there is a left and right button in the bottom right of the banner, the arrows look off-centre to me, it's annoying me now13:34
popeythey're both to the left a bit13:34
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popeyAlanBell, your email sig has no crlf between company name and url13:49
AlanBellshould it have?13:53
AlanBell"I work at http://libertus.co.uk"13:53
DavieySPAM :)13:54
AlanBellminimalist spam13:55
AlanBelloh, I see what you mean popey13:56
AlanBelldifferent from address, should have a clrf or something there13:56
popey--13:58
popeyLibertus Solutionshttp://libertus.co.uk13:58
AlanBellyeah, fixored now13:58
popeygroovy13:58
popeyanyone fancy confirming bug 107638014:02
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 1076380 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Poorly aligned arrows in banner buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107638014:02
diploDone14:05
diploWanted to make sure it wasn't just you first14:05
diplo:)14:05
popey:)14:05
popeyit may well be intentional :)14:05
diploLaunchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote 43 seconds ago:14:06
diploIs that done because it affects more than one ?14:06
diplobug #107100114:06
AlanBellthat ever present Ubuntu question "is that a bug or was it designed that way?"14:06
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 1071001 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Sound Card not detected NM10/ICH7 Intel HDA Internal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107100114:06
diploHow do I get any help with that bug guys ?14:06
AlanBelldiplo: yes14:06
diplothought so14:07
diplota14:07
CaMasonanyone here get the Steam linux beta invite?17:05
bashrcno17:06
bashrcI'm not much of a gamer TBH17:06
bashrcalthough I might occasionally play on FlightGear17:06
CaMasonI've been following it for ages and was hoping to get an invite. Didn't :/17:06
bashrcMore commercial gaming will certainly bring new users to linux17:07
shaunoI'm curious if it will bring new users, or just mean existing users have to reboot into windows less often17:16
bashrcmy guess would be that most people who spend a lot of time in games will be using consoles anyway17:18
gordthats a pretty bad guess, steam on windows is huge17:18
popeyCaMason, ya17:22
CaMasonpopey, had any fun with it yet?17:23
popeyya :)17:23
CaMasonany showstopper bugs?17:23
popeyit's surprisingly stable17:23
popeyit's got a few issues17:24
popeyI'm more interested in Unity3D tbh17:24
popeyhttps://twitter.com/popey/status/26658552294264012817:24
CaMasonwhy can't I ruddy zoom in on images in Twitter any more, grr17:25
CaMasonlooking very nice17:25
popeyyeah, be good if devs can just take their existing code and pretty much just press a button to make a linux version17:26
CaMasonconsidering how many games launched in the beta, it can't be too far from that17:26
popeyall I did was download and run unity3d on windows 7, open the demo, spit out a 64-bit binary for linux and copy to my laptop to run it17:26
CaMasonwow nice17:26
CaMasonI probably play TF2 the most out of all my games, so will be good to see how it performs vs windows on the same system17:27
MartijnVdSpopey: It's confusing though17:28
MartijnVdSpopey: I had to read that twice to understand which Unity3D you meant :)17:28
CaMason:)17:28
popey:)17:28
popeygood job I didnt do it in vmware which also has something called Unity17:28
CaMasonyo dawg17:29
popeyindeed17:29
CaMasonanyone else got a new google search layout appearing?17:42
MartijnVdSI have a new youtube design17:56
MartijnVdSmore G+ish17:57
CaMasonit's switched back now. All of the advanced search tools were horizontal rather than vertical18:12
CaMasonhas a 'sorted by date' option18:13
MartijnVdSshiny18:17
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popeydirecthex, first game I downloaded from the new humble bundle.. turns out to be a unity3d game.. fancy that18:47
MartijnVdShow strange!18:47
popeysplice18:47
directhexoh, i've played Splice on Windows18:50
directhexso if steam keys appear for HIB Android 4, then hopefully they'll ship it there :)18:51
popeyi have already redeemed my steam keys18:59
popeyhttps://twitter.com/popey/status/26661041334347776018:59
CaMasonnice popey :D19:09
xnoxAlanBell: is iPhone / Android accessible?19:14
AlanBelliphone is, certainly19:15
AlanBellandroid is, somewhat19:15
AlanBellI have not met a blind person who lacked an iPhone :)19:16
xnoxAlanBell: hmm... so how does a blind person use it?19:16
AlanBellhttp://behindthecurtain.us/2010/06/12/my-first-week-with-the-iphone/19:17
AlanBellhttp://www.marcozehe.de/ is a mozilla engineer working on various things, he uses an iPhone ad is blind19:20
xnoxwith screen and camera off, I bet the battery lasts for ever.19:22
directhexAlanBell, fascinating article19:23
shaunoit sounds counter-intuitive, but the screen is still on in those modes19:27
mgdmI just tried it19:28
mgdmit's interesting19:28
popey24 hours until snippy snippington!19:31
AlanBellare you going to be live tweeting it?19:32
popeyprobably not19:33
spiritechdoes anyone know if pysdm is still working?19:34
spiritechif i try to apt-get it, it says unable to locate package.19:35
AlanBell!info pysdm19:36
lubotu3`Package pysdm does not exist in quantal19:36
spiritechhow can i mount a disc at boot time?19:38
AlanBell!fstab19:38
lubotu3`The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions19:38
AlanBellhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pysdm19:38
AlanBelllooks like precise was the end of the line19:38
spiritechthe device shows up in nautilus under devices, and mounts when i select it from the list, how can i make sure to mount it in the same place as nautilus expects it to be?19:40
AlanBellbug 100527919:41
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 1005279 in pysdm (Ubuntu) "Please remove Pysdm from Quantal: dead upstream, buggy" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100527919:41
spiritechthere is a another program called mountmanger, i installed it. only it looks seriously dated.19:42
spiritechi will have a look at fstab, its probably pretty easy to use.19:44
AlanBellit is just a text file, you tell it where you want stuff mounted, and there they go19:44
AlanBellbut avoid using it for stuff that gets hot plugged19:44
AlanBellxnox: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html19:45
AlanBellthey haven't updated that page to put iphone 5 in the text yet19:46
AlanBellpopey: I saw this and thought of you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/2025177320:07
popeyhah20:07
spiritechi am trying to remove the close button from the title bar.. i have set the metacity general option to minimize,maximize: this worked before, is there a reason why it might not be working now?20:17
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popeyblimey, fedora 18 pushed back to january21:49
popeyhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule21:49
* Azelphur is still happy about being in the steam linux beta, 2 days later21:59
Azelphurshame there's no way to report bugs xD21:59
popeythats what the forums are for22:06
Azelphurtrue22:07
AzelphurI don't think I ended up with access to the private forum, if there is one22:07
Azelphurthere's a public linux beta forum22:07
cliftontsEvening all22:37
creativetuxheya22:38
cliftontsI was wondering if anyone could help me with a simple problem. I have a list of web addresses, all photos which I need to download. I'm sure there must be a way to feed this list into terminal and have it just work it's way down the list. I'm not great with that sort of thing though22:40
ballcliftonts: wget?22:40
cliftontsball: there's a bit more to it than that, I know that much22:40
creativetuxmaybe DownloadThemAll! plugin for Firefox?22:41
cliftontsI used to have a script to manipulate all the files in a directory but I'm damned if I can find it.22:41
cliftontsit used some command like for f in *22:41
* ball shrugs22:42
creativetuxput all urls in a file, then wget -i download.list22:42
cliftontsaah, that's handy. thanks.22:42
cliftontsHow do I format the file? Just one url per line in gedit?22:43
creativetuxyep22:43
cliftontsgreat, thanks22:44
cliftontsyup, that's done it alright. Saved me hours of work22:45
creativetuxawesome :)22:46
ballThanks creativetux, I wasn't familiar with the syntax.22:48
cliftontsUnfortunately it means I have no excuse to avoid doing my work now!22:49
creativetuxOops, well forget what i said and it will get lost with the original script :)22:50
cliftontslol22:50
cliftontsright I'm off to get back to it. If I carry on like this I might actually get it done!22:51
cliftontscheers, bye22:51
andylockranhey guys22:59
andylockranreally really weird behaviour22:59
andylockranlightdm/ubuntu default23:00
creativetuxwow, that is weird :)23:00
andylockranusing a wyrestrom hdmi transporter23:01
andylockranwhen the ubuntu machine is on the login screen, it scrambles the signal down the coaxial able23:02
andylockranon the TV in a different room23:02
andylockranreally weird bit of radio inteference23:02
andylockranwhen I'm logged into mythbuntu, it works fine23:02
andylockranwill write it up some other time23:03
creativetuxlast one of those I used was dual cat6 and that worked fine23:03
andylockranreally strange23:05
andylockranif there's no hdmi going through then there's no problem23:05
andylockranedge case scenario23:05
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dogmatic69chrome likes my ram http://i.imgur.com/QEU09.png23:15
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Arpad2hi23:17
creativetuxhi23:18
Arpad2Is it possibla to buy a Windows free notebook in the UK?23:19
creativetuxDell used to ship with a linux option23:21
Arpad2so, not any more?23:22
AlanBellArpad2: check ebuyer for zoostorm laptops23:22
Arpad2AlanBell: thx23:22
xnoxArpad2: system76 ships to uk, there are a few on ebuyer, http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ also has options for no OS (80 to 100 GBP off)23:23
Arpad2why are retailers reluctant to offer os free laptops23:23
Arpad2?23:23
xnoxArpad2: there are plenty.23:23
shaunobecause they're a very narrow niche23:23
creativetuxbecause they afraid of tech calls from people who thought of cheap bargain and then realise they got nothing lol23:23
xnoxthe rest are resellers not retailers =)23:24
Arpad2in Hungary lot of small webshop offer this feature withbthe neweat mosels23:24
AlanBellhttp://www.novatech.co.uk also23:25
Arpad2and could you advice me about the config?23:25
Arpad2I would like 17.3" screen23:25
Arpad2this letter was the best I've found so far23:26
AlanBellget an SSD rather than a spinning drive23:26
Arpad2is it more durable?23:27
AlanBellor get the smallest spinning drive and swap it yourself for an ssd23:27
AlanBellit is fast and quiet23:27
creativetuxyeah +1 an ssd amazing different on speed and battery life I've found23:29
Arpad2which ssd capacity you recomend?23:32
AlanBellentirely up to you23:32
AlanBellprobably don't get something massively huge if you don't need it23:33
pr0ph3thi all23:33
AlanBellthat gets expensive, and by the time you do need it, they will be half the price23:33
pr0ph3thas anyone tried the steam beta on yet?23:33
* hamitron doesn't like SSD23:34
pr0ph3tnot to play games of course but just to test how it works and all23:34
hamitronsmall, and not enough time to go make coffee when comp is doing something23:35
hamitron;)23:35
pr0ph3tI'm thinking of getting a small SSD actually, just to test it on my ubuntu box, check out the differences and work out whether a combination of SSD and HD is viable etc23:37
hamitronthese 60GB ones are certainly tempting, with their new lower prices23:38
AlanBellyeah, I got one of those for £30 and shoved it in a USB enclosure23:39
Azelphurdon't suppose anyone knows if bank accounts have any form of API so you can watch transactions live?23:39
AlanBellAzelphur: not usually, but some let you download in csv, xml or quicken format23:40
hamitronAzelphur, maybe use email confirmations?23:40
AlanBelland other assorted formats23:40
Azelphurhamitron: they arrive hours and hours later23:40
pr0ph3twell maybe some of you prefer not to expose themselves in public as gamers so I'll just say it (as it was published on Webupd8): you can run Steam on Linux even if you were not chosen for the beta testing officially, you can download the binary and run it, and that is exactly what I have done23:40
AzelphurAlanBell: ah yea mine does, but that would involve polling with low interval23:40
hamitron:/23:40
AlanBellAzelphur: got money coming in that fast then?23:40
AzelphurAlanBell: I do a lot of bank transfers23:40
Azelphuralso just to plug this in case anyone is interested in fun things, Bitcoin friday is starting in a few minutes, http://bitcoinfriday.com/23:41
AzelphurI'll exchange £ to BTC if anyone wants anything :)23:42
pr0ph3tAlanBell, I was thinking of doing the opposite, put my HD in a usb enclosure and install the SSD internally, although I realise that technically it is the same thing23:43
hamitronI've considered SSD in USB caddy, but doesn't USB slow it down a fair amount?23:44
pr0ph3tbut wouldn't the USB connection defeat the23:44
pr0ph3thamitron, exactly my point23:44
hamitroneven USB 3 is not as good as esata imo23:45
pr0ph3tI guess in this case it is not down to opinion, but physics and maths23:47
hamitronwell, SSD on USB 3.0 will be faster than HDD on USB 3.023:48
hamitronprobably good for data, if you drop it too23:48
pr0ph3tusb 3.0 480Mbit/s <-> sata 6Gbit/s23:49
hamitronthat is usb 2.023:49
pr0ph3tright usb is 5Gbit/s23:51
hamitronI'd say latency is the biggest downside to usb, over esata23:51
pr0ph3tI only have usb 2.0 on my laptop though23:51
hamitronI've got usb 3.0 with a normal hdd23:52
hamitronand I gotta say, not as great as I'd hoped23:52
hamitron;)23:52
AlanBellpr0ph3t: I have an SSD internally (240GB) and I got the 60GB as an external thing23:52
AlanBellwell actually I got it because it was cheap, then I figured out what to do with it23:53
hamitron:D23:53
hamitroncouldn't resist that bargan? ;)23:53
AlanBellI can boot from it pretty quick, you don't notice that it is slow really23:53
pr0ph3tI guess if you get a significant improvement in performance then 30 quid isn't much23:54
hamitronboot times I bet are good23:54
AlanBellyeah, I was going to put it in one of the kids machines, but the one with the laptop has IDE interface23:54
pr0ph3tAlanBell, is it connected to a USB 3.0 port then?23:54
hamitronjust a shame I lag behind the times a little, and can't convince myself to spend money on a SSD yet23:54
hamitron;)23:55
AlanBellpr0ph3t: nope, just usb223:55
AlanBellthat will be a bottleneck, however it is still fast23:55
AlanBelland silent and shockproof and light etc23:55
hamitronI think you don't need such extras AlanBell, and can parcel it up for my xmas gift23:57
pr0ph3tI'm thinking of installing it internally and speed up the system and then keep my data in the HD which now is internal connecting it through USB 2.023:57
hamitron;)23:57
AlanBellhehe23:57
AlanBellI also have a little server which actually boots from an SD card plugged into a USB port23:57
hamitronI dunno how people can live with USB 2.0 for large amounts of data23:57
AlanBellthat has a 3TB spinning rust drive in it, but it is spun down most of the time23:58
hamitronhuge transfers I've found USB 3.0 better for, but esata is better I'd say23:58
hamitron3TB!23:58
AlanBellwhen I back stuff up to it, the drive starts spinning, but most of the time that machine has no moving parts23:58
AlanBellI unplugged all the fans23:59
pr0ph3thamitron, one thing is spending 30 quid on a SSD, another thing is getting a new laptop with USB 3.0 ports ;-)23:59

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