[00:57] <dogmatic69> anyone got a stats page for download numbers?
[01:04] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_downloaded_Android_applications
[01:06] <ali1234> http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/downloads/
[01:07] <ali1234> i could go on...
[01:08] <ali1234> there's no stats on ubuntu downloads if that is what you meant
[01:09] <ali1234> the best stats anyone found is wikimedia browser stats
[01:09] <ali1234> but those are terrible and require a large amount of analysis to get anything even remotely meaningful
[01:13] <dogmatic69> ali1234: ye, ubuntu downloads.
[01:13] <dogmatic69> browser stats is pointless as it misses servers
[01:13] <ali1234> downloads are pointless too because it missed torrents
[01:14] <dogmatic69> ye
[01:14] <ali1234> and besides i downloaded 4 ubuntu isos last week
[01:14] <dogmatic69> they could just include some privacy busting call home stuff
[01:14] <ali1234> yes but they only just put that in in the latest release
[01:14] <ali1234> and the stats are unlikely to be public anyway
[01:15] <ali1234> there is popcon but it isn't on by default
[01:15] <ali1234> http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=coreutils
[01:15] <ali1234> i'm guessing most debian users have coreutils...
[01:16] <shauno> unique addresses hitting security.ubuntu.com's repos would be an interesting one.  or the closest I can think of to interesting, at least
[01:19] <directhex> popcon is opt-in though
[01:22] <ali1234> yeah, i bet a larger fraction of debian users opt in than ubuntu users
[01:22] <directhex> bedtime.
[01:25] <ali1234> dogmatic69: basically you won't ever get more than a general trend, and even that is entirely open to debate due to the scarcity of data
[01:25] <dogmatic69> ye
[01:30] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Advocacy Development Kit - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/11/08/ubuntu-advocacy-development-kit/
[01:36] <ali1234> oh great ^
[01:51] <ali1234> advocacy doesn't work
[01:52] <ali1234> and even if it did, community support already can't handle the existing user base
[01:54] <ali1234> every hour you spend designing posters and planning release parties is an hour you could have spent learning how to fix bugs and then fixing bugs
[07:23] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:52] <popey> morning
[07:53] <AlanBell> o/
[08:03] <diplo> Morning all
[08:04] <theopensourcerer> morning
[08:32] <daubers> Morning
[09:18] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[09:21] <BigRedS> Anyone got a recommendation for an S3 browser? So I could click around it as if it were a real filesystem?
[09:24] <diplo> daubers: nice work on the printer :)
[09:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:28] <daubers> diplo: \o/ just miles of calibration to do now
[09:42] <danfish> BigRedS: isn't there an s3 fuse implementation?
[09:42] <danfish> http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/
[09:43] <danfish> failing that dragondisk
[09:44] <popey> can someone on quantal try something for me? right click the dash icon in the top left, you should get a menu, now with that open, press Super+S to show all workspaces, then come out of that again with Super+S. Do you still see the context menu for the dash?
[09:46] <popey> also, simpler test. over mouse over dash so you get a "Dash Home" tooltip, press super+s, then super+S again, now move the mouse away from the launcher, note that every time you press super+s and come out, it always has the tooltip
[09:46] <directhex> super-s doesn't work for me when the menu is open
[09:47] <directhex> tooltip seems normal enough to me?
[09:47] <popey> if you hold down super as you come out of super+s, the tooltip "Dash Home" always appears, it shouldnt
[09:47] <popey> it should only appear when you mouse over the dash
[09:47] <popey> but it seems to remember if you happened to Super+S as you had the mouse over the dash button
[09:48] <BigRedS> danfish: ta!
[09:48] <popey> might be a regression in this unity I'm testing
[09:50] <diplo> Works ok here popey
[09:51] <popey> hmm
[09:52] <directhex> works ok here too
[09:52] <popey> hmmm
[09:54] <directhex> annoyed enough by json to blog about it, i think
[09:55] <Laney> what aspect of it?
[09:58] <AlanBell> directhex: that stuff is in Fedora too, and explicitly on their list of bad licenses
[09:59] <AlanBell> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing#Bad_Licenses
[09:59] <directhex> Laney, the license
[10:03] <Daviey> Laney: Must be used for good and not evil.  Googlecode removed jsmin for the same reason, as it's non-free
[10:04] <AlanBell> and it is in PHP
[10:04] <Laney> yeah I know about it, I was just wondering what form the annoyance was taking
[10:04] <Daviey> And also dangerous, as good and evil are not legally defined.  It's arguably as dangerous as a submarine patient
[10:13] <directhex> it's childish more tha  anything
[10:13] <directhex> it's unbelievable to me that anyone past puberty would think it was a good idea
[10:47] <Myrtti> there's no fax software for ubuntu anymore?
[10:47] <Myrtti> or am I just being blind
[10:50] <BigRedS> fax? 1997 called...
[10:51] <Myrtti> yeah I know
[10:51] <Myrtti> what can I say, lawyers pfftt
[10:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:31] <BigRedS> G'morning
[11:31] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[11:36] <Laney> TVL nastygram
[11:36] <Laney> "Whatever you're watching, however you're watching it, your home needs a TV license."
[11:42] <mgdm> heh, that's easy to dissect
[11:44] <Laney> indeed
[12:22] <jacobw> they should wind up the pretense and introduce a culture tax already
[12:23] <andylockran> howdy al
[12:23] <andylockran> l
[13:33] <popey> davmor2, poke
[13:34] <popey> open software centre, in the banner at the top there is a left and right button in the bottom right of the banner, the arrows look off-centre to me, it's annoying me now
[13:34] <popey> they're both to the left a bit
[13:49] <popey> AlanBell, your email sig has no crlf between company name and url
[13:53] <AlanBell> should it have?
[13:53] <AlanBell> "I work at http://libertus.co.uk"
[13:54] <Daviey> SPAM :)
[13:55] <AlanBell> minimalist spam
[13:56] <AlanBell> oh, I see what you mean popey
[13:56] <AlanBell> different from address, should have a clrf or something there
[13:58] <popey> --
[13:58] <popey> Libertus Solutionshttp://libertus.co.uk
[13:58] <AlanBell> yeah, fixored now
[13:58] <popey> groovy
[14:02] <popey> anyone fancy confirming bug 1076380
[14:02] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1076380 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Poorly aligned arrows in banner buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076380
[14:05] <diplo> Done
[14:05] <diplo> Wanted to make sure it wasn't just you first
[14:05] <diplo> :)
[14:05] <popey> :)
[14:05] <popey> it may well be intentional :)
[14:06] <diplo> Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote 43 seconds ago:
[14:06] <diplo> Is that done because it affects more than one ?
[14:06] <diplo> bug #1071001
[14:06] <AlanBell> that ever present Ubuntu question "is that a bug or was it designed that way?"
[14:06] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1071001 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Sound Card not detected NM10/ICH7 Intel HDA Internal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071001
[14:06] <diplo> How do I get any help with that bug guys ?
[14:06] <AlanBell> diplo: yes
[14:07] <diplo> thought so
[14:07] <diplo> ta
[17:05] <CaMason> anyone here get the Steam linux beta invite?
[17:06] <bashrc> no
[17:06] <bashrc> I'm not much of a gamer TBH
[17:06] <bashrc> although I might occasionally play on FlightGear
[17:06] <CaMason> I've been following it for ages and was hoping to get an invite. Didn't :/
[17:07] <bashrc> More commercial gaming will certainly bring new users to linux
[17:16] <shauno> I'm curious if it will bring new users, or just mean existing users have to reboot into windows less often
[17:18] <bashrc> my guess would be that most people who spend a lot of time in games will be using consoles anyway
[17:18] <gord> thats a pretty bad guess, steam on windows is huge
[17:22] <popey> CaMason, ya
[17:23] <CaMason> popey, had any fun with it yet?
[17:23] <popey> ya :)
[17:23] <CaMason> any showstopper bugs?
[17:23] <popey> it's surprisingly stable
[17:24] <popey> it's got a few issues
[17:24] <popey> I'm more interested in Unity3D tbh
[17:24] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/266585522942640128
[17:25] <CaMason> why can't I ruddy zoom in on images in Twitter any more, grr
[17:25] <CaMason> looking very nice
[17:26] <popey> yeah, be good if devs can just take their existing code and pretty much just press a button to make a linux version
[17:26] <CaMason> considering how many games launched in the beta, it can't be too far from that
[17:26] <popey> all I did was download and run unity3d on windows 7, open the demo, spit out a 64-bit binary for linux and copy to my laptop to run it
[17:26] <CaMason> wow nice
[17:27] <CaMason> I probably play TF2 the most out of all my games, so will be good to see how it performs vs windows on the same system
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> popey: It's confusing though
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> popey: I had to read that twice to understand which Unity3D you meant :)
[17:28] <CaMason> :)
[17:28] <popey> :)
[17:28] <popey> good job I didnt do it in vmware which also has something called Unity
[17:29] <CaMason> yo dawg
[17:29] <popey> indeed
[17:42] <CaMason> anyone else got a new google search layout appearing?
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> I have a new youtube design
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> more G+ish
[18:12] <CaMason> it's switched back now. All of the advanced search tools were horizontal rather than vertical
[18:13] <CaMason> has a 'sorted by date' option
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> shiny
[18:47] <popey> directhex, first game I downloaded from the new humble bundle.. turns out to be a unity3d game.. fancy that
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> how strange!
[18:47] <popey> splice
[18:50] <directhex> oh, i've played Splice on Windows
[18:51] <directhex> so if steam keys appear for HIB Android 4, then hopefully they'll ship it there :)
[18:59] <popey> i have already redeemed my steam keys
[18:59] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/266610413343477760
[19:09] <CaMason> nice popey :D
[19:14] <xnox> AlanBell: is iPhone / Android accessible?
[19:15] <AlanBell> iphone is, certainly
[19:15] <AlanBell> android is, somewhat
[19:16] <AlanBell> I have not met a blind person who lacked an iPhone :)
[19:16] <xnox> AlanBell: hmm... so how does a blind person use it?
[19:17] <AlanBell> http://behindthecurtain.us/2010/06/12/my-first-week-with-the-iphone/
[19:20] <AlanBell> http://www.marcozehe.de/ is a mozilla engineer working on various things, he uses an iPhone ad is blind
[19:22] <xnox> with screen and camera off, I bet the battery lasts for ever.
[19:23] <directhex> AlanBell, fascinating article
[19:27] <shauno> it sounds counter-intuitive, but the screen is still on in those modes
[19:28] <mgdm> I just tried it
[19:28] <mgdm> it's interesting
[19:31] <popey> 24 hours until snippy snippington!
[19:32] <AlanBell> are you going to be live tweeting it?
[19:33] <popey> probably not
[19:34] <spiritech> does anyone know if pysdm is still working?
[19:35] <spiritech> if i try to apt-get it, it says unable to locate package.
[19:36] <AlanBell> !info pysdm
[19:36] <lubotu3`> Package pysdm does not exist in quantal
[19:38] <spiritech> how can i mount a disc at boot time?
[19:38] <AlanBell> !fstab
[19:38] <lubotu3`> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[19:38] <AlanBell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pysdm
[19:38] <AlanBell> looks like precise was the end of the line
[19:40] <spiritech> the device shows up in nautilus under devices, and mounts when i select it from the list, how can i make sure to mount it in the same place as nautilus expects it to be?
[19:41] <AlanBell> bug 1005279
[19:41] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1005279 in pysdm (Ubuntu) "Please remove Pysdm from Quantal: dead upstream, buggy" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005279
[19:42] <spiritech> there is a another program called mountmanger, i installed it. only it looks seriously dated.
[19:44] <spiritech> i will have a look at fstab, its probably pretty easy to use.
[19:44] <AlanBell> it is just a text file, you tell it where you want stuff mounted, and there they go
[19:44] <AlanBell> but avoid using it for stuff that gets hot plugged
[19:45] <AlanBell> xnox: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html
[19:46] <AlanBell> they haven't updated that page to put iphone 5 in the text yet
[20:07] <AlanBell> popey: I saw this and thought of you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20251773
[20:07] <popey> hah
[20:17] <spiritech> i am trying to remove the close button from the title bar.. i have set the metacity general option to minimize,maximize: this worked before, is there a reason why it might not be working now?
[21:49] <popey> blimey, fedora 18 pushed back to january
[21:49] <popey> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule
[21:59]  * Azelphur is still happy about being in the steam linux beta, 2 days later
[21:59] <Azelphur> shame there's no way to report bugs xD
[22:06] <popey> thats what the forums are for
[22:07] <Azelphur> true
[22:07] <Azelphur> I don't think I ended up with access to the private forum, if there is one
[22:07] <Azelphur> there's a public linux beta forum
[22:37] <cliftonts> Evening all
[22:38] <creativetux> heya
[22:40] <cliftonts> I was wondering if anyone could help me with a simple problem. I have a list of web addresses, all photos which I need to download. I'm sure there must be a way to feed this list into terminal and have it just work it's way down the list. I'm not great with that sort of thing though
[22:40] <ball> cliftonts: wget?
[22:40] <cliftonts> ball: there's a bit more to it than that, I know that much
[22:41] <creativetux> maybe DownloadThemAll! plugin for Firefox?
[22:41] <cliftonts> I used to have a script to manipulate all the files in a directory but I'm damned if I can find it.
[22:41] <cliftonts> it used some command like for f in *
[22:42]  * ball shrugs
[22:42] <creativetux> put all urls in a file, then wget -i download.list
[22:42] <cliftonts> aah, that's handy. thanks.
[22:43] <cliftonts> How do I format the file? Just one url per line in gedit?
[22:43] <creativetux> yep
[22:44] <cliftonts> great, thanks
[22:45] <cliftonts> yup, that's done it alright. Saved me hours of work
[22:46] <creativetux> awesome :)
[22:48] <ball> Thanks creativetux, I wasn't familiar with the syntax.
[22:49] <cliftonts> Unfortunately it means I have no excuse to avoid doing my work now!
[22:50] <creativetux> Oops, well forget what i said and it will get lost with the original script :)
[22:50] <cliftonts> lol
[22:51] <cliftonts> right I'm off to get back to it. If I carry on like this I might actually get it done!
[22:51] <cliftonts> cheers, bye
[22:59] <andylockran> hey guys
[22:59] <andylockran> really really weird behaviour
[23:00] <andylockran> lightdm/ubuntu default
[23:00] <creativetux> wow, that is weird :)
[23:01] <andylockran> using a wyrestrom hdmi transporter
[23:02] <andylockran> when the ubuntu machine is on the login screen, it scrambles the signal down the coaxial able
[23:02] <andylockran> on the TV in a different room
[23:02] <andylockran> really weird bit of radio inteference
[23:02] <andylockran> when I'm logged into mythbuntu, it works fine
[23:03] <andylockran> will write it up some other time
[23:03] <creativetux> last one of those I used was dual cat6 and that worked fine
[23:05] <andylockran> really strange
[23:05] <andylockran> if there's no hdmi going through then there's no problem
[23:05] <andylockran> edge case scenario
[23:15] <dogmatic69> chrome likes my ram http://i.imgur.com/QEU09.png
[23:17] <Arpad2> hi
[23:18] <creativetux> hi
[23:19] <Arpad2> Is it possibla to buy a Windows free notebook in the UK?
[23:21] <creativetux> Dell used to ship with a linux option
[23:22] <Arpad2> so, not any more?
[23:22] <AlanBell> Arpad2: check ebuyer for zoostorm laptops
[23:22] <Arpad2> AlanBell: thx
[23:23] <xnox> Arpad2: system76 ships to uk, there are a few on ebuyer, http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ also has options for no OS (80 to 100 GBP off)
[23:23] <Arpad2> why are retailers reluctant to offer os free laptops
[23:23] <Arpad2> ?
[23:23] <xnox> Arpad2: there are plenty.
[23:23] <shauno> because they're a very narrow niche
[23:23] <creativetux> because they afraid of tech calls from people who thought of cheap bargain and then realise they got nothing lol
[23:24] <xnox> the rest are resellers not retailers =)
[23:24] <Arpad2> in Hungary lot of small webshop offer this feature withbthe neweat mosels
[23:25] <AlanBell> http://www.novatech.co.uk also
[23:25] <Arpad2> and could you advice me about the config?
[23:25] <Arpad2> I would like 17.3" screen
[23:26] <Arpad2> this letter was the best I've found so far
[23:26] <AlanBell> get an SSD rather than a spinning drive
[23:27] <Arpad2> is it more durable?
[23:27] <AlanBell> or get the smallest spinning drive and swap it yourself for an ssd
[23:27] <AlanBell> it is fast and quiet
[23:29] <creativetux> yeah +1 an ssd amazing different on speed and battery life I've found
[23:32] <Arpad2> which ssd capacity you recomend?
[23:32] <AlanBell> entirely up to you
[23:33] <AlanBell> probably don't get something massively huge if you don't need it
[23:33] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[23:33] <AlanBell> that gets expensive, and by the time you do need it, they will be half the price
[23:33] <pr0ph3t> has anyone tried the steam beta on yet?
[23:34]  * hamitron doesn't like SSD
[23:34] <pr0ph3t> not to play games of course but just to test how it works and all
[23:35] <hamitron> small, and not enough time to go make coffee when comp is doing something
[23:35] <hamitron> ;)
[23:37] <pr0ph3t> I'm thinking of getting a small SSD actually, just to test it on my ubuntu box, check out the differences and work out whether a combination of SSD and HD is viable etc
[23:38] <hamitron> these 60GB ones are certainly tempting, with their new lower prices
[23:39] <AlanBell> yeah, I got one of those for £30 and shoved it in a USB enclosure
[23:39] <Azelphur> don't suppose anyone knows if bank accounts have any form of API so you can watch transactions live?
[23:40] <AlanBell> Azelphur: not usually, but some let you download in csv, xml or quicken format
[23:40] <hamitron> Azelphur, maybe use email confirmations?
[23:40] <AlanBell> and other assorted formats
[23:40] <Azelphur> hamitron: they arrive hours and hours later
[23:40] <pr0ph3t> well maybe some of you prefer not to expose themselves in public as gamers so I'll just say it (as it was published on Webupd8): you can run Steam on Linux even if you were not chosen for the beta testing officially, you can download the binary and run it, and that is exactly what I have done
[23:40] <Azelphur> AlanBell: ah yea mine does, but that would involve polling with low interval
[23:40] <hamitron> :/
[23:40] <AlanBell> Azelphur: got money coming in that fast then?
[23:40] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I do a lot of bank transfers
[23:41] <Azelphur> also just to plug this in case anyone is interested in fun things, Bitcoin friday is starting in a few minutes, http://bitcoinfriday.com/
[23:42] <Azelphur> I'll exchange £ to BTC if anyone wants anything :)
[23:43] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, I was thinking of doing the opposite, put my HD in a usb enclosure and install the SSD internally, although I realise that technically it is the same thing
[23:44] <hamitron> I've considered SSD in USB caddy, but doesn't USB slow it down a fair amount?
[23:44] <pr0ph3t> but wouldn't the USB connection defeat the
[23:44] <pr0ph3t> hamitron, exactly my point
[23:45] <hamitron> even USB 3 is not as good as esata imo
[23:47] <pr0ph3t> I guess in this case it is not down to opinion, but physics and maths
[23:48] <hamitron> well, SSD on USB 3.0 will be faster than HDD on USB 3.0
[23:48] <hamitron> probably good for data, if you drop it too
[23:49] <pr0ph3t> usb 3.0 480Mbit/s <-> sata 6Gbit/s
[23:49] <hamitron> that is usb 2.0
[23:51] <pr0ph3t> right usb is 5Gbit/s
[23:51] <hamitron> I'd say latency is the biggest downside to usb, over esata
[23:51] <pr0ph3t> I only have usb 2.0 on my laptop though
[23:52] <hamitron> I've got usb 3.0 with a normal hdd
[23:52] <hamitron> and I gotta say, not as great as I'd hoped
[23:52] <hamitron> ;)
[23:52] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: I have an SSD internally (240GB) and I got the 60GB as an external thing
[23:53] <AlanBell> well actually I got it because it was cheap, then I figured out what to do with it
[23:53] <hamitron> :D
[23:53] <hamitron> couldn't resist that bargan? ;)
[23:53] <AlanBell> I can boot from it pretty quick, you don't notice that it is slow really
[23:54] <pr0ph3t> I guess if you get a significant improvement in performance then 30 quid isn't much
[23:54] <hamitron> boot times I bet are good
[23:54] <AlanBell> yeah, I was going to put it in one of the kids machines, but the one with the laptop has IDE interface
[23:54] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, is it connected to a USB 3.0 port then?
[23:54] <hamitron> just a shame I lag behind the times a little, and can't convince myself to spend money on a SSD yet
[23:55] <hamitron> ;)
[23:55] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: nope, just usb2
[23:55] <AlanBell> that will be a bottleneck, however it is still fast
[23:55] <AlanBell> and silent and shockproof and light etc
[23:57] <hamitron> I think you don't need such extras AlanBell, and can parcel it up for my xmas gift
[23:57] <pr0ph3t> I'm thinking of installing it internally and speed up the system and then keep my data in the HD which now is internal connecting it through USB 2.0
[23:57] <hamitron> ;)
[23:57] <AlanBell> hehe
[23:57] <AlanBell> I also have a little server which actually boots from an SD card plugged into a USB port
[23:57] <hamitron> I dunno how people can live with USB 2.0 for large amounts of data
[23:58] <AlanBell> that has a 3TB spinning rust drive in it, but it is spun down most of the time
[23:58] <hamitron> huge transfers I've found USB 3.0 better for, but esata is better I'd say
[23:58] <hamitron> 3TB!
[23:58] <AlanBell> when I back stuff up to it, the drive starts spinning, but most of the time that machine has no moving parts
[23:59] <AlanBell> I unplugged all the fans
[23:59] <pr0ph3t> hamitron, one thing is spending 30 quid on a SSD, another thing is getting a new laptop with USB 3.0 ports ;-)