[00:57] anyone got a stats page for download numbers? [01:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_downloaded_Android_applications [01:06] http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/downloads/ [01:07] i could go on... [01:08] there's no stats on ubuntu downloads if that is what you meant [01:09] the best stats anyone found is wikimedia browser stats [01:09] but those are terrible and require a large amount of analysis to get anything even remotely meaningful [01:13] ali1234: ye, ubuntu downloads. [01:13] browser stats is pointless as it misses servers [01:13] downloads are pointless too because it missed torrents [01:14] ye [01:14] and besides i downloaded 4 ubuntu isos last week [01:14] they could just include some privacy busting call home stuff [01:14] yes but they only just put that in in the latest release [01:14] and the stats are unlikely to be public anyway [01:15] there is popcon but it isn't on by default [01:15] http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=coreutils [01:15] i'm guessing most debian users have coreutils... [01:16] unique addresses hitting security.ubuntu.com's repos would be an interesting one. or the closest I can think of to interesting, at least [01:19] popcon is opt-in though [01:22] yeah, i bet a larger fraction of debian users opt in than ubuntu users [01:22] bedtime. [01:25] dogmatic69: basically you won't ever get more than a general trend, and even that is entirely open to debate due to the scarcity of data [01:25] ye [01:30] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Advocacy Development Kit - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/11/08/ubuntu-advocacy-development-kit/ [01:36] oh great ^ [01:51] advocacy doesn't work [01:52] and even if it did, community support already can't handle the existing user base [01:54] every hour you spend designing posters and planning release parties is an hour you could have spent learning how to fix bugs and then fixing bugs [07:23] morning all [07:52] morning [07:53] o/ === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [08:03] Morning all [08:04] morning === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [08:32] Morning [09:18] Good Morning! [09:21] Anyone got a recommendation for an S3 browser? So I could click around it as if it were a real filesystem? [09:24] daubers: nice work on the printer :) [09:27] Good morning all! :) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:28] diplo: \o/ just miles of calibration to do now [09:42] BigRedS: isn't there an s3 fuse implementation? [09:42] http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/ [09:43] failing that dragondisk [09:44] can someone on quantal try something for me? right click the dash icon in the top left, you should get a menu, now with that open, press Super+S to show all workspaces, then come out of that again with Super+S. Do you still see the context menu for the dash? [09:46] also, simpler test. over mouse over dash so you get a "Dash Home" tooltip, press super+s, then super+S again, now move the mouse away from the launcher, note that every time you press super+s and come out, it always has the tooltip [09:46] super-s doesn't work for me when the menu is open [09:47] tooltip seems normal enough to me? [09:47] if you hold down super as you come out of super+s, the tooltip "Dash Home" always appears, it shouldnt [09:47] it should only appear when you mouse over the dash [09:47] but it seems to remember if you happened to Super+S as you had the mouse over the dash button [09:48] danfish: ta! [09:48] might be a regression in this unity I'm testing [09:50] Works ok here popey [09:51] hmm [09:52] works ok here too [09:52] hmmm [09:54] annoyed enough by json to blog about it, i think [09:55] what aspect of it? [09:58] directhex: that stuff is in Fedora too, and explicitly on their list of bad licenses [09:59] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing#Bad_Licenses [09:59] Laney, the license [10:03] Laney: Must be used for good and not evil. Googlecode removed jsmin for the same reason, as it's non-free [10:04] and it is in PHP [10:04] yeah I know about it, I was just wondering what form the annoyance was taking [10:04] And also dangerous, as good and evil are not legally defined. It's arguably as dangerous as a submarine patient [10:13] it's childish more tha anything [10:13] it's unbelievable to me that anyone past puberty would think it was a good idea [10:47] there's no fax software for ubuntu anymore? [10:47] or am I just being blind [10:50] fax? 1997 called... [10:51] yeah I know [10:51] what can I say, lawyers pfftt [10:58] good morning everyone. [11:31] G'morning [11:31] morning BigRedS [11:36] TVL nastygram [11:36] "Whatever you're watching, however you're watching it, your home needs a TV license." [11:42] heh, that's easy to dissect [11:44] indeed [12:22] they should wind up the pretense and introduce a culture tax already [12:23] howdy al [12:23] l === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [13:33] davmor2, poke [13:34] open software centre, in the banner at the top there is a left and right button in the bottom right of the banner, the arrows look off-centre to me, it's annoying me now [13:34] they're both to the left a bit === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:49] AlanBell, your email sig has no crlf between company name and url [13:53] should it have? [13:53] "I work at http://libertus.co.uk" [13:54] SPAM :) [13:55] minimalist spam [13:56] oh, I see what you mean popey [13:56] different from address, should have a clrf or something there [13:58] -- [13:58] Libertus Solutionshttp://libertus.co.uk [13:58] yeah, fixored now [13:58] groovy [14:02] anyone fancy confirming bug 1076380 [14:02] Launchpad bug 1076380 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Poorly aligned arrows in banner buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076380 [14:05] Done [14:05] Wanted to make sure it wasn't just you first [14:05] :) [14:05] :) [14:05] it may well be intentional :) [14:06] Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote 43 seconds ago: [14:06] Is that done because it affects more than one ? [14:06] bug #1071001 [14:06] that ever present Ubuntu question "is that a bug or was it designed that way?" [14:06] Launchpad bug 1071001 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Sound Card not detected NM10/ICH7 Intel HDA Internal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071001 [14:06] How do I get any help with that bug guys ? [14:06] diplo: yes [14:07] thought so [14:07] ta [17:05] anyone here get the Steam linux beta invite? [17:06] no [17:06] I'm not much of a gamer TBH [17:06] although I might occasionally play on FlightGear [17:06] I've been following it for ages and was hoping to get an invite. Didn't :/ [17:07] More commercial gaming will certainly bring new users to linux [17:16] I'm curious if it will bring new users, or just mean existing users have to reboot into windows less often [17:18] my guess would be that most people who spend a lot of time in games will be using consoles anyway [17:18] thats a pretty bad guess, steam on windows is huge [17:22] CaMason, ya [17:23] popey, had any fun with it yet? [17:23] ya :) [17:23] any showstopper bugs? [17:23] it's surprisingly stable [17:24] it's got a few issues [17:24] I'm more interested in Unity3D tbh [17:24] https://twitter.com/popey/status/266585522942640128 [17:25] why can't I ruddy zoom in on images in Twitter any more, grr [17:25] looking very nice [17:26] yeah, be good if devs can just take their existing code and pretty much just press a button to make a linux version [17:26] considering how many games launched in the beta, it can't be too far from that [17:26] all I did was download and run unity3d on windows 7, open the demo, spit out a 64-bit binary for linux and copy to my laptop to run it [17:26] wow nice [17:27] I probably play TF2 the most out of all my games, so will be good to see how it performs vs windows on the same system [17:28] popey: It's confusing though [17:28] popey: I had to read that twice to understand which Unity3D you meant :) [17:28] :) [17:28] :) [17:28] good job I didnt do it in vmware which also has something called Unity [17:29] yo dawg [17:29] indeed [17:42] anyone else got a new google search layout appearing? [17:56] I have a new youtube design [17:57] more G+ish [18:12] it's switched back now. All of the advanced search tools were horizontal rather than vertical [18:13] has a 'sorted by date' option [18:17] shiny === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === GingeryDog is now known as GingerDog [18:47] directhex, first game I downloaded from the new humble bundle.. turns out to be a unity3d game.. fancy that [18:47] how strange! [18:47] splice [18:50] oh, i've played Splice on Windows [18:51] so if steam keys appear for HIB Android 4, then hopefully they'll ship it there :) [18:59] i have already redeemed my steam keys [18:59] https://twitter.com/popey/status/266610413343477760 [19:09] nice popey :D [19:14] AlanBell: is iPhone / Android accessible? [19:15] iphone is, certainly [19:15] android is, somewhat [19:16] I have not met a blind person who lacked an iPhone :) [19:16] AlanBell: hmm... so how does a blind person use it? [19:17] http://behindthecurtain.us/2010/06/12/my-first-week-with-the-iphone/ [19:20] http://www.marcozehe.de/ is a mozilla engineer working on various things, he uses an iPhone ad is blind [19:22] with screen and camera off, I bet the battery lasts for ever. [19:23] AlanBell, fascinating article [19:27] it sounds counter-intuitive, but the screen is still on in those modes [19:28] I just tried it [19:28] it's interesting [19:31] 24 hours until snippy snippington! [19:32] are you going to be live tweeting it? [19:33] probably not [19:34] does anyone know if pysdm is still working? [19:35] if i try to apt-get it, it says unable to locate package. [19:36] !info pysdm [19:36] Package pysdm does not exist in quantal [19:38] how can i mount a disc at boot time? [19:38] !fstab [19:38] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [19:38] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pysdm [19:38] looks like precise was the end of the line [19:40] the device shows up in nautilus under devices, and mounts when i select it from the list, how can i make sure to mount it in the same place as nautilus expects it to be? [19:41] bug 1005279 [19:41] Launchpad bug 1005279 in pysdm (Ubuntu) "Please remove Pysdm from Quantal: dead upstream, buggy" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005279 [19:42] there is a another program called mountmanger, i installed it. only it looks seriously dated. [19:44] i will have a look at fstab, its probably pretty easy to use. [19:44] it is just a text file, you tell it where you want stuff mounted, and there they go [19:44] but avoid using it for stuff that gets hot plugged [19:45] xnox: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html [19:46] they haven't updated that page to put iphone 5 in the text yet [20:07] popey: I saw this and thought of you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20251773 [20:07] hah [20:17] i am trying to remove the close button from the title bar.. i have set the metacity general option to minimize,maximize: this worked before, is there a reason why it might not be working now? === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | next meeting 14/11/2012 20:00 [21:49] blimey, fedora 18 pushed back to january [21:49] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule [21:59] * Azelphur is still happy about being in the steam linux beta, 2 days later [21:59] shame there's no way to report bugs xD [22:06] thats what the forums are for [22:07] true [22:07] I don't think I ended up with access to the private forum, if there is one [22:07] there's a public linux beta forum [22:37] Evening all [22:38] heya [22:40] I was wondering if anyone could help me with a simple problem. I have a list of web addresses, all photos which I need to download. I'm sure there must be a way to feed this list into terminal and have it just work it's way down the list. I'm not great with that sort of thing though [22:40] cliftonts: wget? [22:40] ball: there's a bit more to it than that, I know that much [22:41] maybe DownloadThemAll! plugin for Firefox? [22:41] I used to have a script to manipulate all the files in a directory but I'm damned if I can find it. [22:41] it used some command like for f in * [22:42] * ball shrugs [22:42] put all urls in a file, then wget -i download.list [22:42] aah, that's handy. thanks. [22:43] How do I format the file? Just one url per line in gedit? [22:43] yep [22:44] great, thanks [22:45] yup, that's done it alright. Saved me hours of work [22:46] awesome :) [22:48] Thanks creativetux, I wasn't familiar with the syntax. [22:49] Unfortunately it means I have no excuse to avoid doing my work now! [22:50] Oops, well forget what i said and it will get lost with the original script :) [22:50] lol [22:51] right I'm off to get back to it. If I carry on like this I might actually get it done! [22:51] cheers, bye [22:59] hey guys [22:59] really really weird behaviour [23:00] lightdm/ubuntu default [23:00] wow, that is weird :) [23:01] using a wyrestrom hdmi transporter [23:02] when the ubuntu machine is on the login screen, it scrambles the signal down the coaxial able [23:02] on the TV in a different room [23:02] really weird bit of radio inteference [23:02] when I'm logged into mythbuntu, it works fine [23:03] will write it up some other time [23:03] last one of those I used was dual cat6 and that worked fine [23:05] really strange [23:05] if there's no hdmi going through then there's no problem [23:05] edge case scenario === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [23:15] chrome likes my ram http://i.imgur.com/QEU09.png === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [23:17] hi [23:18] hi [23:19] Is it possibla to buy a Windows free notebook in the UK? [23:21] Dell used to ship with a linux option [23:22] so, not any more? [23:22] Arpad2: check ebuyer for zoostorm laptops [23:22] AlanBell: thx [23:23] Arpad2: system76 ships to uk, there are a few on ebuyer, http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ also has options for no OS (80 to 100 GBP off) [23:23] why are retailers reluctant to offer os free laptops [23:23] ? [23:23] Arpad2: there are plenty. [23:23] because they're a very narrow niche [23:23] because they afraid of tech calls from people who thought of cheap bargain and then realise they got nothing lol [23:24] the rest are resellers not retailers =) [23:24] in Hungary lot of small webshop offer this feature withbthe neweat mosels [23:25] http://www.novatech.co.uk also [23:25] and could you advice me about the config? [23:25] I would like 17.3" screen [23:26] this letter was the best I've found so far [23:26] get an SSD rather than a spinning drive [23:27] is it more durable? [23:27] or get the smallest spinning drive and swap it yourself for an ssd [23:27] it is fast and quiet [23:29] yeah +1 an ssd amazing different on speed and battery life I've found [23:32] which ssd capacity you recomend? [23:32] entirely up to you [23:33] probably don't get something massively huge if you don't need it [23:33] hi all [23:33] that gets expensive, and by the time you do need it, they will be half the price [23:33] has anyone tried the steam beta on yet? [23:34] * hamitron doesn't like SSD [23:34] not to play games of course but just to test how it works and all [23:35] small, and not enough time to go make coffee when comp is doing something [23:35] ;) [23:37] I'm thinking of getting a small SSD actually, just to test it on my ubuntu box, check out the differences and work out whether a combination of SSD and HD is viable etc [23:38] these 60GB ones are certainly tempting, with their new lower prices [23:39] yeah, I got one of those for £30 and shoved it in a USB enclosure [23:39] don't suppose anyone knows if bank accounts have any form of API so you can watch transactions live? [23:40] Azelphur: not usually, but some let you download in csv, xml or quicken format [23:40] Azelphur, maybe use email confirmations? [23:40] and other assorted formats [23:40] hamitron: they arrive hours and hours later [23:40] well maybe some of you prefer not to expose themselves in public as gamers so I'll just say it (as it was published on Webupd8): you can run Steam on Linux even if you were not chosen for the beta testing officially, you can download the binary and run it, and that is exactly what I have done [23:40] AlanBell: ah yea mine does, but that would involve polling with low interval [23:40] :/ [23:40] Azelphur: got money coming in that fast then? [23:40] AlanBell: I do a lot of bank transfers [23:41] also just to plug this in case anyone is interested in fun things, Bitcoin friday is starting in a few minutes, http://bitcoinfriday.com/ [23:42] I'll exchange £ to BTC if anyone wants anything :) [23:43] AlanBell, I was thinking of doing the opposite, put my HD in a usb enclosure and install the SSD internally, although I realise that technically it is the same thing [23:44] I've considered SSD in USB caddy, but doesn't USB slow it down a fair amount? [23:44] but wouldn't the USB connection defeat the [23:44] hamitron, exactly my point [23:45] even USB 3 is not as good as esata imo [23:47] I guess in this case it is not down to opinion, but physics and maths [23:48] well, SSD on USB 3.0 will be faster than HDD on USB 3.0 [23:48] probably good for data, if you drop it too [23:49] usb 3.0 480Mbit/s <-> sata 6Gbit/s [23:49] that is usb 2.0 [23:51] right usb is 5Gbit/s [23:51] I'd say latency is the biggest downside to usb, over esata [23:51] I only have usb 2.0 on my laptop though [23:52] I've got usb 3.0 with a normal hdd [23:52] and I gotta say, not as great as I'd hoped [23:52] ;) [23:52] pr0ph3t: I have an SSD internally (240GB) and I got the 60GB as an external thing [23:53] well actually I got it because it was cheap, then I figured out what to do with it [23:53] :D [23:53] couldn't resist that bargan? ;) [23:53] I can boot from it pretty quick, you don't notice that it is slow really [23:54] I guess if you get a significant improvement in performance then 30 quid isn't much [23:54] boot times I bet are good [23:54] yeah, I was going to put it in one of the kids machines, but the one with the laptop has IDE interface [23:54] AlanBell, is it connected to a USB 3.0 port then? [23:54] just a shame I lag behind the times a little, and can't convince myself to spend money on a SSD yet [23:55] ;) [23:55] pr0ph3t: nope, just usb2 [23:55] that will be a bottleneck, however it is still fast [23:55] and silent and shockproof and light etc [23:57] I think you don't need such extras AlanBell, and can parcel it up for my xmas gift [23:57] I'm thinking of installing it internally and speed up the system and then keep my data in the HD which now is internal connecting it through USB 2.0 [23:57] ;) [23:57] hehe [23:57] I also have a little server which actually boots from an SD card plugged into a USB port [23:57] I dunno how people can live with USB 2.0 for large amounts of data [23:58] that has a 3TB spinning rust drive in it, but it is spun down most of the time [23:58] huge transfers I've found USB 3.0 better for, but esata is better I'd say [23:58] 3TB! [23:58] when I back stuff up to it, the drive starts spinning, but most of the time that machine has no moving parts [23:59] I unplugged all the fans [23:59] hamitron, one thing is spending 30 quid on a SSD, another thing is getting a new laptop with USB 3.0 ports ;-)