[03:31] <ComputerChic> Hiall
[03:33] <chris4585> welcome back ComputerChic
[03:33] <ComputerChic> chris4585: hey
[03:33] <ComputerChic> How are you tonight?
[03:34] <chris4585> I'm good :) how are you?
[03:34] <ComputerChic> Good, Just waking up
[03:35] <chris4585> awesome, I'm about to eat some chili
[03:36] <chris4585> ComputerChic, work a night shift?
[03:36] <ComputerChic> The husband
[03:36] <ComputerChic> does
[03:49] <chris4585> ah
[16:27] <wrst> ubuntu and windows 8 have something in common: http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Big-Hidden-Windows-8-Feature-BuiltIn-Advertising/
[19:41] <cyberanger> wrst: did ubuntu hide that "feature"
[19:42] <wrst> no its called the amazon lens cyberanger
[19:42] <wrst> or whatever it is
[19:43] <Unit193> unity-lens-shopping ?
[19:43] <wrst> yes
[20:24] <cyberanger> wrst: my point being win8 hid it a little more
[20:25] <xTEMPx> I hid it even more, by installing the Gnome 3 12.10 at the house
[20:26] <xTEMPx> dumb ol' ads
[20:26] <chris4585> lol
[20:26] <chris4585> unity is shit
[20:26] <Unit193> xTEMPx: The new flavor or mini.iso?
[20:26] <wrst> cyberanger: good point
[20:27] <wrst> xTEMPx: does it actually work on 12.10 i tried that gnome remix with poor results
[20:30] <xTEMPx> it worked till I broke it
[20:30] <xTEMPx> more on that once I'm off the phone
[20:31] <xTEMPx> I got the gnomebuntu version of 12.10 installed without a hitch.  went pretty quick, too.  Boots fast.
[20:32] <xTEMPx> but then I decided to make sure I was using the nvidia-current drivers rather than nouveau
[20:32] <xTEMPx> hehe
[20:32] <xTEMPx> BLAM now it only loads old-style gnome2 interface
[20:32] <xTEMPx> so I gotta figure out what I did to the poor drivers
[20:33] <cyberanger> wrst: not to mention, ubuntu will tell you how to disable it, and it'll actually work
[20:33] <cyberanger> try getting that out of microsoft
[20:33] <wrst> ahh you are getting the fallback mode xTEMPx
[20:34] <wrst> cyberanger:  but the point is it shouldn't be in either one
[20:34]  * cyberanger hates how many things this week are basically sticking up for the lesser of two evils
[20:34] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, agreed, it's not in mine
[20:34] <wrst> if ubuntu is trying to design this great desktop experience that isn't it, now if you did that when searching for videos/music, i could handle that and since i buy from amazon i would even enjoy the experience it
[20:34] <wrst> *experience
[20:35] <xTEMPx> wrst:  yup
[20:36] <wrst> xTEMPx: does it have the software center ?
[20:36] <xTEMPx> wrst yessir
[20:37] <wrst> xTEMPx: i think its just easier to run gnome on something that doesn't destroy gnome to put their own shell on top of it
[20:37] <xTEMPx> eh?
[20:37] <Unit193> wrst: Even Xubuntu had the software center.
[20:37] <Unit193> (Lubuntu has it's own, not sure how good it worked)
[20:38] <wrst> xTEMPx: the unity mess and how you can't get current nautilus etc
[20:38] <wrst> or can you with that version?
[20:38] <wrst> Unit193: yep gtk
[20:38] <Unit193> Both are GTK.
[20:38] <xTEMPx> wrst:  I see... but the gnomebuntu iso doesn't install unity at all from what I can see
[20:39] <wrst> no but does it have vanilla gnome or still have the tweaked stuff such as nautilus?
[20:41] <Unit193> cyberanger: Ever played with zram or usbip?
[20:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: I don't recognize the names
[20:45] <Unit193> zRam sounded interesting for computers with less ram: http://code.google.com/p/compcache/
[20:46] <Unit193> (Both Ubuntu and Debian have them as modules, they aren't in "stable" kernel drivers yet though)
[20:47] <xTEMPx> wrst:  I honestly didn't get far enough into the gnome shell side of it to tell what was tweaked or not
[20:47] <xTEMPx> I didnt' see any problems, though, until I broke it
[20:47] <cyberanger> I'm running sid, so that wouldn't be an issue ;-)
[20:47] <wrst> cyberanger: that's probably almost as current as arch?
[20:50] <cyberanger> Unit193: the issue is some cpu hit, but they don't ignore that fact, pointing out the three best examples where cpu is well above the bottleneck of limited ram (my personal favorite is virtualization, but netbooks would be an even better example for most)
[20:50] <cyberanger> wrst: depends on the package, some is ahead, some is behind, alot is equal
[20:51] <wrst> cyberanger: yes, for instance took a while to get gnome 3.6 into the main repos of arch it stayed in testing awhile they had some issues
[20:51] <cyberanger> the mozilla & libreoffice packages seem to be the worst, hence why I do that outside the debian repo
[20:51] <wrst> gnome is going to also start depending on systemd that doesn't bode well for ubuntu and gnome either
[20:51] <Unit193> cyberanger: Wheezy has it.  Blog post had some info on it, and Pentium M with 1G was marked as "faster" with it as well (exactly what I have, 2.13GHz)
[20:51] <Unit193> cyberanger: Xfce 4.10 yet?
[20:52] <cyberanger> Unit193: exactly, where the processor is well ahead the ram
[20:52] <wrst> Unit193: xfce4.10 has been in arch for ages :)
[20:52] <cyberanger> they aren't talking low end systems as much as systems that were crippled by design
[20:52] <Unit193> wrst: Even in Ubuntu, but for some reason I wasn't sure if it was in unstable, isn't in testing.
[20:53] <Unit193> cyberanger: Enabled it to see what'd happen (zram-config package)
[20:53] <wrst> xTEMPx: any idea how gnome moving to systemd as a depend will effect ubuntu and gnombuntu?
[20:53] <cyberanger> Unit193: actually, not in sid, it's in expermental
[20:55] <Unit193> Next version seems like it'll be nice as well.
[20:55] <Unit193> (Though, I think I'm the only Xfce fan here)
[20:55] <xTEMPx> wrst:  no idea
[20:55] <cyberanger> alot of the big stuff spends time in expermental, I guess due to all the code to test (does arch test code prior to release, or just hope it works?)
[20:55] <wrst> Unit193: i like xfce, but i prefer gnome
[20:56] <wrst> if not for gnome i would probably use xfce
[20:56] <wrst> possibly kde
[20:56] <Unit193> wrst: You don't dislike Xfce. ;)
[20:56] <cyberanger> most of my stuff skips that due to either small size, or small use
[20:57] <wrst> exactly Unit193
[20:58]  * cyberanger doesn't favor it like lxde or openbox though
[21:00] <wrst> i'm fond of a complete desktop
[21:09] <cyberanger> lxde is complete, what's missing for you?
[21:10] <Unit193> Snazz. ;)
[21:10] <wrst> Unit193: exactly
[21:10] <Unit193> wrst: You can have that too.
[21:11] <wrst> but you have to work for it
[21:12] <Unit193> Not too much: http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/search/label/eyecandy