=== ubott2 is now known as ubottu [10:59] I'm having worst luck of getting some Linux help... I have tried almost all forums links about Non-pae linux and still not getting any... Last downloaded were Xubuntu 12.04.1 what i was told is for Non-Pae computers... Any suggestions? Ps. Not 100% sure about if this is right room. [11:03] Zoraktar: the right room would be #xubuntu, this is the development (not the support-) channel [11:04] Thank you. Leaving room and going to ask. Have good day. [11:04] Zoraktar: also, i'm not 100% sure what the problem is. you say you need a distribution with non-pae kernel support (which xubuntu 12.04.1 is) [12:42] Hello! [12:42] hi [12:43] i am from Russia. How are you? [12:44] not in a chatty mood [15:05] Good morning * [15:05] I wanted to know if the fix to that bug was included in xubuntu 12.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-xkb-plugin/+bug/944468 [15:05] morning [15:06] Launchpad bug 944468 in xfce4-xkb-plugin (Ubuntu) "keyboard layouts plugin forgets all settings at random times" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:07] i don't see a definitive patch there tbh [15:08] * malaverdiere remembered something on the Arch side of things [15:08] yes, but you yourself disconfirmed the arch-workarounds :) [15:08] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16742 [15:09] there is a patch buried somewhere [15:09] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=639451 [15:09] you mean one that actually works? [15:10] Apparently [15:10] I switched to KDE way before that [15:10] * malaverdiere doesn't like building too many thigns from source [15:10] then i urge you to file a bugreport upstream and attach the patch there [15:11] it doesn't make sense to fix these things in one distro only [15:14] I first put it on lp [15:19] Upstream had a bug, which I updated: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7692 [15:20] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7692 in General "the current layout per window are forgotten every couple of minutes" [Normal,Assigned] [15:21] I am not sure how to put upstream in lp... any clue? [15:21] no, if it's in xfce's bugzilla, that's upstream enough [15:22] if it gets fixed upstream, it'll trickle down to debian and ubuntu [15:22] i guess partly we're not using that plugin by default in xubuntu because it's buggy [15:22] and partly it's buggy, because no-one uses it by default (so most don't consider it important enough) [15:23] Is there a good alternative? [15:23] there is an indicator, but i don't know whether it still supports gtk2 [15:23] (maybe not) [15:24] I have to type in fr_CA and en_US, and must switch back and forth all the time [15:24] yeah, i can see how/why the plugin is useful [15:24] but there are quite a few plugins that are not well maintained at the moment [15:25] :( [15:25] feel free to pick it up :) [15:25] Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll skip [15:25] I have enough to do in LO :P [15:26] I'll see the updates to the bug trackesr [15:26] Thanks for your time [15:26] libreoffice? [15:26] yup [15:26] interesting [15:26] * malaverdiere is a tdf member [15:26] nice [15:26] unfortunately we can't install it by default in xubuntu [15:26] not enough space in the image [15:26] (at least to fit on a CD) [15:26] I understand all that. But that's okay [15:26] Open source FTW [15:27] ciaaaaaaaaao [15:27] seeya === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:35] are you happy to drop CLI ndiswrapper utils from kubuntu seeds? kernel module is not shipped so they are useless... [19:35] are you happy to drop CLI ndiswrapper utils from xubuntu seeds? kernel module is not shipped so they are useless... [19:35] * xnox copy & paste error =) [19:36] if it's not working and not going to be fixed, i don't believe we need it ;) [19:37] knome: it's working, it's just the module is not shipped on the image, so if you need it you must get the module over the network... and you can get the utils at the same time. [19:37] the utils are shipped and the first thing they do is "hmm... you don't have module installed, please install it" [19:38] the other option is to ship dkms module which will increase the cd size. [19:38] xnox, hmm. i thought we were shipping ndiswrapper in the ISO too installable, but not usable on live disc [19:38] how much approximately? [19:38] knome: ndiswrapper-dkms is not seeded anywhere, so no, you are not shipping the kernel module. [19:39] i was talking about ndiswrapper [19:39] but how much is -dkms? [19:39] 176 kB is the deb [19:39] that's not too much. [19:39] do we need anything else? [19:40] install size is 760 [19:40] I believe you already have everything else. [19:40] but i think we're shipping only the ndiswrapper deb too [19:40] but seriously, you should talk with mr_pouit or micahg :) [19:40] the point is - did you have complaints about ndiswrapper not working in precise & quantal? [19:40] i can't remember too many at least [19:40] because without network it didn't in precise & quantal. [19:41] well, the thing is, you most probably want network anyway, to download the actual drivers [19:41] (unless you have them on some media) [19:41] exactly the wiki instructions to get windows drivers (that you install with ndiswrapper) is over the network. [19:42] * xnox wants to drop ndiswrapper from images. [19:42] i think that'd work for me too [19:42] ubuntu is shipped pre-install by all major manufacturers these days =) [19:42] ;-) [19:42] if you want to be nice, could you send an email to xubuntu-devel@ ML ? [19:42] ack. [19:42] thanks [19:43] i'll make somebody more knowledgeable answer the mail in a reasonable timespan [19:45] Hah, gave xnox good news both places. :P [19:45] If wired networking is present during install phase, but intention is to move to wireless afterwards, will that hit those users? [19:45] astraljava: no. [19:46] as long as wired works without ndiswrapper, no problem;) [19:46] knome: by definition it did =) [19:47] xnox, it most definitely should unless you have really weird hardware :P [19:48] xnox: Why? If they need ndiswrapper for the wireless, would they get the -dkms module if they get online during installation? [19:49] astraljava: not automatically, only by hand following the instructions from the wiki. [19:49] xnox: So then it _would_ hit them, if they didn't know about it while they were wiredly online. [19:50] fine by me, just drop it [19:50] astraljava: it _would not_ hit them, as it is already the case _currently_ [19:50] xnox, ^ [19:50] no change =) [19:51] xnox, and no need to send an email [19:51] mr_pouit: knome: ack. thanks. [19:51] xnox, and thanks for asking. [19:52] xnox: Ok. Thanks. :) [19:52] * xnox :P tongue in cheek [20:18] xnox: No, seriously. It's great that people still care enough to ask, and even explain when questioned. :) [20:19] anyone who could test xfce4-settings from quantal-proposed? (Bug #354830) [20:19] Launchpad bug 354830 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu Precise) "xfce4-settings-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_create_instance()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354830 [20:19] (someone for who it crashed before) [20:19] (for whom* maybe?) [20:21] mr_pouit: I can, hold on. [20:21] ...if I could type my passwd correctly... [20:21] mr_pouit: That's probably universe only, right? [20:21] astraljava, s-a-u-s-a-g-e [20:22] knome: w-i-e-n-e-r [20:22] :) [20:23] Oh, I'm not sure it crashed before. (yes, I know it might help to read the whole assignment thoroughly before acting on it). [20:33] Goddamn. I have to downgrade now. [20:38] Single application is very easy. [20:39] Yes, that's fortunately true. [20:40] What do I have to do to make VNC connections work? [20:40] I installed the client on this POS Mac laptop, but it won't work. Do I need to install a server on the desktop? [20:40] I use x11vnc -safer -forever -display :0 on LAN for the server. [20:41] These are different subnets. The laptop is on 192.168.0.*, the desktop is on 192.168.1.* [20:42] But routing works from laptop to desktop. Desktop won't see laptop, though. :D Don't ask, I don't have interest. [20:42] (Saying on LAN as I tunnel over ssh to get to that, and it doesn't ask for a password) [20:43] Yes, but I don't think this works the same way. I could ssh in, but then I doubt the client app is able to use that tunnel. [20:44] LocalForward 35900 192.168.100.6:5900 UltraVNC doesn't either, I connect to port 35900 (or -L bleh from command rather than config) [21:11] Oh that's sweet. tightvncserver on *buntu (possibly due debian) by default listens on post 5901, NOT on 5900 (as documented on upstream website). :D [21:13] What?! Now it wants to open session 'ubuntu', which obviously isn't available. Silly, this is a Studio machine! === Noskcaj is now known as Noskcaj-at-schoo === Noskcaj-at-schoo is now known as Noskcaj-school [21:55] hello : [21:55] :) [21:55] hullo [21:55] how would one go with contributing wallpaper artwork for xubuntu [21:56] well the main problem with that is that we don't have any free space on our image for additional wallpapers [21:56] we discussed that recently @UDS [21:56] I see :D [21:56] the best way would be to send a mail to the mailing list proposing something [21:57] that way it can at least be discussed [21:57] or if we're around, you can also pastebin stuff here [21:57] or imagebin, if you wil [21:57] l [21:57] :-) [21:57] that too, but in the long run, mail is better [21:58] well thing is, I do not have any artwork yet, was thinking of making something in blender [21:58] right [21:58] and since I love xubuntu, I might try and make something [21:59] xubuntu-artwork-extras :D [21:59] yeah, we could do such a package, but who would find and install it? [21:59] hahah [21:59] even with xubuntu-restricted-extras the problem is that they're not discoverable enough imo [22:00] true [22:00] especially when the newest artwork is easily the best [22:00] :D [22:00] hehe [22:00] * bluesabre hides [22:00] * ochosi bows [22:00] well xfce-look could be a start point for me tho :) [22:00] yeah, but xfce-look is a messy messy place [22:00] ochosi, wait, who was it again who did the wallpaper? [22:00] yes it is [22:00] :( [22:01] knome: you? :) (bluesabre said "artwork", not wallpaper ;)) [22:01] hmm, he hasn't got a screen? [22:01] no [22:01] ochosi, wallpaper is an integral part of the artwork :P [22:01] we should give him one somehow [22:01] :)) [22:01] i don't have any reliable services now [22:02] adnan__: if you wanna help with other artworky aspects of xubuntu you're welcome to though [22:02] adnan__, ^ yup [22:02] knome: me neither :( [22:02] I would love to contribute any way I can [22:02] k [22:02] any links on those aspects :D [22:02] adnan__, you're actually talking to the right people now. ochosi is the artwork lead and i'm the project lead [22:02] oo [22:03] adnan__, hang around in this channel, subscribe to our mailing list [22:03] what are the odds haha :) [22:03] well actually there's a new project that we're thinking of undertaking for 13.04 [22:03] http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ for more information [22:03] it's related to our icon-theme [22:03] adnan__, well, quite good. we're here always :P [22:03] there are quite a few sizes missing of prominent icons [22:03] knome, thought so :)) [22:03] e.g. trash-full only has a 48px variant [22:03] and we don't like scaled stuff, we prefer it crisp [22:04] yeah, people who can draw icons is ++ [22:04] so if you're good with vectors, that'd be a nice chnace [22:04] ..or if you want to learn vectors [22:04] nothing wrong in trying :) [22:05] inkscape should do it for me [22:05] yup [22:05] yes, that's it [22:05] that's what i'm using too [22:06] we're currently using git for our icon-theme [22:06] awesome [22:06] or actually github to be exact [22:07] it's a fork of the elementary icon theme, back when it still supported other flavors than their own DE [22:07] Wait, someone's using a computer without a screen _whatsoever_? [22:07] i talked to them, but a modular approach wasn't really so much in their interest [22:07] so the fork was the logical choice [22:07] adnan__, say hi to astraljava, the guy with bad jokes here [22:07] Man, does he have an ethernet port in the back of his skull or something? [22:07] * astraljava bows [22:08] hahaha hello astraljava :) [22:08] o/ [22:08] \o [22:10] adnan__, anyway, welcome to the community [22:10] adnan__, if there's anything we can help you with, just ask in IRC or the mailing list [22:10] thank you, and I sure will [22:10] I hope I'll be able to contribute at least something [22:11] there's always something [22:11] :) [22:11] I guess every bit counts [22:11] definitely [22:11] we're not a big team [22:11] less than 10 people [22:12] yeah I was wondering about the size, you guys really do a great thing with this :) [22:12] nice to hear, thanks :) [22:13] thanks! [22:13] I reckon xubuntu will gain popularity with all this unity/gnome3 thing going around [22:13] well ppl have been reckoning that for a while now [22:13] i haven't noticed too much of that though tbh [22:13] yeah, there's some people migrating, but not tons [22:14] knome: here's the latest shot of my weather-icons: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11082012-111405pm.php [22:14] well all my friends were ranting about unity and gnome-fallback-session being ugly [22:14] but they're just inexperienced and don't really know much about linux in general [22:14] ochosi, mmhmm [22:14] ochosi, not bad [22:15] looks nice :) [22:15] thanks [22:15] it needs quite a few tweaks still, but i hope i'm getting there till next week [22:16] anyway, after showing them xubuntu and that xfce can actually look like their old gnome (and that it's faster as well) they really got hooked up :D [22:16] could the sun rays have a bit more variation? [22:17] knome: oh, you're talking to me? (i thought that was a metaphor for xubuntu or something...) [22:17] they almost look like small balls around the sun [22:17] :D [22:18] i'm not feeling *that* poetic [22:18] hahaha [22:18] ok :) [22:18] so color variation or what kind of variation were you thinking of? [22:19] or in length of ray? [22:19] streak length maybe? [22:19] length, maybe some of the rays could be integrated with the sun itself [22:19] yeah, i could try that [22:19] and please, not symmetrically! [22:19] actually my problem atm is more with sleet and stuff like that [22:20] just too many elements sometimes [22:20] will have to find a way to deal with that [22:20] mmh, i see. you need something that says "raindrop" and "snowflake" [22:20] maybe substitute place for one water drop and one snow drop [22:20] with one thing [22:20] so they're not grouped together but rather mixed [22:20] ochosi, what about a blueish snowflake? [22:21] ochosi, with maybe a bit "fatter" look? [22:21] yeah, well now i put the snowflakes on top and the drops below, because that's how sleet happens [22:21] well... yeah. [22:21] true [22:22] actually the sleet icon itself is not so bad imo [22:22] it's the sleet-thunder where things get more hairy [22:22] i'll boot the desktop [22:22] yeah, I was looking at that one [22:23] i don't like rain-thunder much either [22:23] yeah, i know [22:23] i mean i have the same feeling about those [22:23] did you have the sources somewhere? [22:23] i originally considered doing the thunder-combinations without cloud [22:23] but it just gets a bit too inconsistent maybe [22:24] i can email them, or i can quickly git them if you want [22:24] yeah, git it is [22:24] one sec === adnan__ is now known as adnanh [22:25] dell's <3 [22:26] ochosi, just paste me the git-url [22:27] adnanh, wise choice (nick without underscores) [22:27] adnanh, do you know git? [22:27] https://github.com/ochosi/weather-icons.git [22:27] cloning [22:27] done [22:28] I used it few times [22:28] adnanh, doesn't hurt to know it [22:28] :-) [22:28] ochosi, meh, messy svg [22:28] ? [22:28] nvm me [22:28] are you messing with the xml again? :) [22:28] knome: Yes, Dells are nice. [22:29] Unit193: he said "dell's" :) [22:29] Dell computers, I am lead to think. [22:29] yeah, although knome is referencing his monitors [22:30] "I guess every bit counts" - We're not there yet, but AI gets better almost daily. [22:30] yeah, the monitors [22:32] ochosi, partlycloud-night has more cloud than cloud-night? [22:32] yes [22:32] wait, i guess i have to share the spec with you [22:33] if it's as the spec says... fine [22:33] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtoE1C1siCX6dEYtR0VlMzBLMzVNdGRNR05xMFhqTEE [22:33] just wondering if that's a mistake [22:33] nop [22:33] e [22:35] actually the list isn't 100% up-to-date [22:35] i wanted to use it to track the todo-status [22:35] but i think i'll just do that in the readme in git now [22:35] http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/weather-icons/sleetthunder.svg ? [22:36] i know that's a bit boring but... [22:36] No such file or directory [22:36] huh?? [22:36] strange [22:36] says wget [22:36] ff can load it fine [22:36] :) [22:36] yeah, that'd be a way to do it [22:36] less cruft [22:36] boring but fine imo [22:37] knome: added you as a collaborator, so you can push that icon to git now [22:38] github is _so_ awesome [22:38] :) [22:39] ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/weather-icons/sun.svg [22:39] something like that, maybe a bit less "pronounced" [22:39] hmm, that doesn't really convince me [22:39] hehe [22:39] i mean i get the point [22:39] but... [22:39] :) [22:39] yeah. [22:39] that wouldn't convince me either. [22:39] good to hear :) [22:40] i actually did try different things with the sun [22:40] i tried to make the rays attached to it [22:40] but that made it look very spiky [22:40] (or spikey?) [22:40] uah [22:40] what's the ssh push location :P [22:40] oh [22:41] i gave you the https link :) [22:41] git@github.com:ochosi/weather-icons.git [22:42] upped the new sleet/thunder icon [22:42] ty [22:42] it doesn't matter if the 22px icons don't have all the details [22:42] yes [22:42] we'll have to do 48px and 128px icons as well... [22:43] maybe you want to move the lighning in the other thunder-icons to the same spot as it is in the sleet one [22:43] adnanh, too boring, fell asleep? (: [22:44] knome: yeah, good question, not sure [22:44] that would help with rain-thunder too. [22:44] maybe not move in thunder-only [22:44] (almost wrote thunar-only) [22:44] yeah, let's do rain-thunder the same way as sleet-thunder [22:44] hehe [22:44] yeah, it means the same ;) (thunar = thor = thunder) [22:44] mm [22:45] haha, not boring at all, trying some sun streak variations [22:47] ochosi, pushed new thunder icons [22:49] knome: actually the thunder-only icon might not be used... :'( [22:49] even though it's so pretty [22:49] but there's no such weather in the spec [22:49] :D [22:49] no problem [22:49] i didn't touch it.. [22:49] ;) [22:49] heh [22:49] lucky you [22:50] well since the elements that we need are mainly done, it shouldn't be too hard to recombine them to get all the icons [22:50] 20 + night counterparts [22:50] true [22:51] does this make it look too spiky http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17420410/Xubuntu/sun.svg [22:51] hmyeah, that's a bit similar to what i tried [22:51] although my rays where shorter [22:51] i'm not sure it's the right way to make all the rays touch the sun [22:51] i see knome's point in making the rays with different length, but it's hard to "get it right" [22:51] yeah [22:52] and it just looks weird when some rays are not touching the sun [22:52] feel free to browse for inspiration: http://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=sun [22:52] well on the larger icons [22:58] ochosi, might've shown this to you before, but that is just wonderful art: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/images/boardgameversion/114833/cambridge-games-factory-black-box-edition?username=&sort=hot&date=alltime&gallery=all&licensefilter=&B1=Go [22:59] that's pretty nice! [22:59] even the card-deck is pretty [22:59] yes, especially compared to the original art... http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/1251435/glory-to-rome [23:00] oopos [23:00] yeah, that's fugly :) [23:00] yeah. as long as the FLGS (friendly local game store) stocks the new version, i'll go running there and tell them to take my money [23:01] that game is supposed to be awesome city building, but the art has kept me from buying [23:01] If you're that desperate, there's always MEEEEEEE!!!1 [23:01] astraljava, haha. [23:02] astraljava, yeah, i'll give you some money too if our schedules meet ;) [23:02] Lovely. [23:04] hahah. just came around this: http://geekdo-images.com/avatars/avatar_id27376.gif [23:04] *THAT'S* what i'll do if they have the game tomorrow! [23:05] lol [23:05] Hahah! [23:14] knome, adnanh: still working on the sun? :) [23:14] ochosi, got carried on by the music [23:14] mhm [23:14] ochosi, and boardgamegeek ;) [23:16] heh [23:30] gah, I have to go now, no luck with this sun [23:30] :) [23:30] adnanh: no worries [23:30] and feel free to pick an easier icon next time ;) [23:31] :)) [23:47] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17420410/Xubuntu/sun_3.svg [23:47] how does that one look [23:48] ochosi, :) [23:49] not too bad [23:49] i definitely like it more than the one before [23:49] mmh, that's good [23:49] but if we want to follow knome's idea, we have to make the rays asymmetrical [23:49]