[00:02] is it possible to ignore 'joins' in konversation? [00:09] Settings -> Configure Konversation; in the left sidebar, Behavior -> Chat Window; Hide Join/Part/Nick events [00:13] OerHeks: thanks for the info, i guess i did not really look for my own self === Bigcheese_ is now known as Bigcheese [00:14] below that is a nice one, "except for watched nicks and active nicks.." [00:14] OerHeks: saw it, i dont have any to watch, yet :) [00:14] So you can see active members leave, if i read it correct. [00:16] i am in the middle of updating to kde 4.9.3 from 4.9.2 , hoping for the best [00:17] Let us know, almoxarife [00:18] OerHeks: its opensuse, i am assuming its a safe move [00:18] assuming :) [00:19] You may. I think the KDE family is closer than Gnome. [00:19] Greetings All. I am a new comer to KDE/Kubuntu. I have upgraded to KDE 4.9.3 and now when I use Krunner and press enter, the app is not launching as usual. [00:19] I have to click, anyone experiencing the same problem? [00:20] I am still @ 4.9.2 [00:20] dundee: i am about to find out, updating now [00:21] dundee: can you downgrade krunner? [00:21] almoxarife: Thanks for responding. I don't know how to downgrade. [00:22] dundee: what distro you use? [00:22] I am using Kubuntu [00:23] dundee: did you update via a ppa addition? [00:26] Almoxarife: Yes I used a ppa [00:26] Almoxarife: I think its backport [00:27] dundee, you can use ppa-purge to restore 4.9.2 , but that will downgrade all packages, not onlu krunner. [00:27] c/only [00:28] you likely can't just downgrade krunner (for dependency reasons) [00:30] Ok I see. I did it because on the website it says you should upgrade if you are running 4.9.2 or earlier. [00:31] I have seen may bug fixes so I thought it would be a good thing to upgrade. [00:31] dundee: if it is a kde issue i will tell you in a sec, i am updating to 9.3 now in opensuse, tell you in a few min [00:32] almoxarife: Ok . [00:32] almoxarife: I'm in the process of doing the same on this computer... didn't run into the problem on my other computer [00:34] SIR_Taco_: which distro? [00:35] almoxarife: Kubuntu 12.10 [00:36] yes Kubuntu 12.10 [00:38] SIR_Taco: So its not a KDE issue, its a distro issue? [00:39] dundee: not sure yet, give me about 10 mins to finish getting this update :P [00:39] well... more like 5 mins [00:40] dundee: worked here fine, searched krunner, app showed, hit return, app started [00:42] dundee: you have logged out and back in after updating? [00:43] I have this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu and this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu in my software sources. [00:43] SIR_Taco: Yes I did that many times [00:43] SIR_Taco: Did you use backports ppa to upgrade? [00:48] dundee: no, I'm using regular old updates ppa ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa [00:49] 12.10 shouldn't exactly have backports for a while [00:50] SIR_Taco: Oh that's probably causing the problem. [00:50] SIR_Taco: Can I purge the backports? [00:51] SIR_Taco: Will the ppa-purge command work? [00:52] hallo [00:52] dundee: you shouldn't be getting updates from the backports. 13.04 is still in planning and very very very early testing phase. There are no packages in 12.10 backports (as far as I know) [00:53] dundee: brb, going to logout and back in and see if I run into your problem [00:55] update to 9.3 went over well, so far nothing obviously wrong [00:56] dundee, sure, install ppa-purge, and use " sudo ppa-purge ppa:" [00:56] almoxarife: I will try and purge the backports now. [00:57] dundee: you sure about that move? is krunner the only issue? [00:57] dundee: purge has a habit of cause bad things [00:57] causing [00:58] almoxarife: Well so far krunner is the only problem that I have seen. [00:59] dundee: try to install from 'sources' , back to 4.9.2, i think its 'sources' in synaptic [00:59] dundee: interesting.... enter/return doesn't select the proposed program [01:00] a ubuntu/kubuntu bug? [01:01] can one apt-get a specific version from a selection(repos)? [01:02] unless you type the full program name. ie: you can't type 'kons' and see 'Konsole' in the list, and just hit enter/return (as you used to). Also, even typing the full name of the program (like 'konsole') refuses to work [01:02] almoxarife: you can install specific .deb files [01:03] SIR_Taco_: so purge krunner and install specific 'krunner' version? 4.9.2? [01:05] SIR_Taco_: You are experiencing the problem now? [01:05] almoxarife: no, as much as KDE is quite modular having and old Krunner with a new KDE will likely not work and/or crash and burn [01:05] dundee: yes [01:05] dundee: if you hit the up arrow (which cycles through history), then down arrow, it will let you select the program with enter [01:06] SIR_Taco_: you the original? [01:07] almoxarife: depends on what you're talking about I guess haha [01:08] dundee: but yes, that is a bug and need to be fixed. Have you already submitted a bug? [01:08] slash-dot ? [01:09] almoxarife, SIR_Taco_: I guess its a bug. Where do I do that? [01:10] Can I report it here: https://bugs.kde.org/ [01:10] dundee: thats the thing, installs via ppa are discouraged i believe, but your link cant hurt [01:11] almoxarife: haha, no, not that's a different Taco that works for them [01:11] SIR_Taco_: got you [01:11] dundee: yes, report it there [01:12] SIR_Taco: Ok I will. [01:12] almoxarife, SIR_Taco_: Thanks guys. [01:12] dundee: not a problem [01:13] dundee: good luck with the bug [01:13] :-) [01:13] almoxarife, OerHeks: OK [01:14] almoxarife: think cmdr_taco was the slashdot guy :P [01:15] SIR_Taco_: thats it, wrong nick === emma is now known as em [01:19] that's an odd bug [01:21] personally i would just try reverting the app to 4.9.2 , go for broke [01:21] almoxarife: it will either not work, or break badly if you were to force it [01:23] I wouldn't recommend it too, if krunner gets a update, you won'tknow it has been solved too. [01:26] dundee: when you finish your bug report, give me the link so I can confirm it for you [01:27] SIR_Taco: Ok. [01:28] i stand corrected, i didnt find the package for 'krunner' in opensuse repos, so i assume its part of some other package [01:32] plasma-runner-installer [01:33] OerHeks: plasma-runner is the pop-up ? [01:34] almoxarife: yes [01:35] kdebase4-workspace <-- krunner? [01:35] not going to down grade that one sparky [01:36] SIR_Taco: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309787 [01:36] KDE bug 309787 in general "Krunner does not execute program when press ENTER" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:36] almoxarife: which is why I advised against it :P [01:37] SIR_Taco_: i grovelled already, i am grovelled out [01:37] no need [01:38] that bug is specific to ubuntu, or the ppa, i cant replicate it in opensuse === fitoria_ is now known as fitoria [01:47] seems I've completely forgot my bugs.kde.org password... [01:51] maybe I'm missing it, but I can't seem to find a 'reset password' option [01:52] SIR press login first, then Forgot password appears below the button [01:52] not handy [01:53] OerHeks: darrr... yea didn't see that for some reason :) === shumski_ is now known as shumski [01:57] seems I locked my ip out for a bit after guessing wrong :/ [01:58] at least I reset my password === robtygart is now known as Robtygart [02:06] I messed up typing my email when I was trying to register my nick. Is that a problem? [02:06] Robtygart, yes, now you cannot apply the confirmation email. [02:06] Robtygart, join #freenode to solve it. [02:07] cool thanks [02:07] yw [02:13] is it possible to customise indervidual panels in KDE? [02:17] sup [02:17] nicekiwi_: yes.. of course. Each panel is it's own panel, to be configured as the great creator in the sky sees fit [02:21] xixor, really? Even the look and feel of them? Colours etc? [02:21] nicekiwi_: oh, colors.. not sure aboot that, eh [02:24] xixor, yeah.. [02:24] hm.... I dunno [02:25] I feel the answer is no :/ [02:25] yeah, I don't think so [02:25] maybe [02:25] I don't know [02:25] je suis a n000b [02:25] how do I install a .deb that's local on my hard drive [02:25] dpkg -i midgetporno.deb [02:26] nicekiwi_, maybe this page is a start>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu [02:27] OerHeks, no seems like the simplist answer [02:30] kubuntu fresh install, kernel panic upon boot: http://dropcanvas.com/oje4f [02:33] I think this system is cursed. [02:33] There are cursed items in the world. This system may be one of them. [02:34] jedihawk, did ur install disk validate checksum? [02:34] jedihawk, i have a wild guess, did you enable VT in your bios, that is a memory protection in the CPU [02:34] nicekiwi_: Yes. I made sure of that, because every USB installer I've made thus far as failed. [02:34] jedihawk, eeks. How did you create the USB installers? [02:34] OerHeks: Where do I find this setting? [02:35] jedihawk, depends on your bios , example > http://www.sysprobs.com/disable-enable-virtualization-technology-bios [02:36] CPU features, i think [02:37] nicekiwi_: Linux Live USB Creator (linuxliveusb.com), Universal USB Installer (pendrivelinux.com), and UNetbootin (http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/). [02:40] OerHeks: Secure Virtual Machine Mode? [02:40] jedihawk, ive has major corruption issues with anything except the "Startup Disk Creator" that comes with Ubuntu. Better to use that [02:40] jedihawk, yes, Intel has a different name for it than AMD [02:42] nicekiwi_: this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick links to http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download, which I've already tried (several times). [02:42] jedihawk, like I said.. [02:43] and make sure your HDD controller is set to AHCI, not ide-mode [02:45] OerHeks: Maybe that's the issue. It was set to IDE. I've changed it to AHCI for both sets of ports. Rebooting now... [02:46] :-) [02:47] well.... all the dependencies are there... ./configure runs perfect... but make fails [02:47] can't find a bood device now. :-( [02:47] there we go, back on bugs.kde.org :) [02:47] god I love this crap [02:47] jedihawk, oke, then you have to do a install, for the last time i hope. [02:48] i hope you don't have xp on that drive too. [02:48] it won't work anymore after changing to AHCI. [02:49] OerHeks: nope, linux only. [02:50] had to change the boot order, found the proper hard drive to boot up on. same result, kernel panic. [02:50] the strange thing is that I've been running Ubuntu on this hardware for the last five or six years without issue. then I did an upgrade, the system wouldn't boot, so I decided to start fresh. [02:51] ...the curse of the perfectly-running linux system... [02:51] ...no longer running at all. it's sad when my WinXP machine is more stable than my linux machine. [02:52] my windows xp, vista, windows 7, and now, windows 8 machines have all been rock solid stable [02:53] xixor: yeah. almost makes me want to stop using linux. almost. [02:53] all operating systems suck [02:53] some just suck a little bit less at certain things than others [02:54] xixor: yeah. and this one seems to be cursed as well! === fitoria_ is now known as fitoria [02:55] why wouldn't the ubuntu s ystem boot on startup after the upgrade? [02:56] most commen issue: videodriver. [02:56] xixor: don't know. the screen was blank (power-saving off) and I couldn't switch to any virtual terminals. [02:56] this was a fresh install, or an upgrade? [02:56] couldn't SSH in to it either. also no hard drive activity. [02:57] this was back after I did the upgrade. [02:57] OS upgrades... never been a fan. On mac, linux, or windows... they're always a crapshoot. [02:57] it makes me wonder, working fine with IDE-mode .. [02:59] I back my shit up, double-plus good, and re-install fresh [02:59] xixor: good policy. [03:00] yep [03:00] I guess I'll need to buy a new machine. maybe I can re-use my existing hard drives. [03:00] hm.. [03:00] maybe try a live CD? [03:01] I just tried disconnecting the other hard drives, in case they were causing trouble. but I still get the kernel panic upon boot. [03:01] I'm betting that the hard drives are not the issue. [03:01] lol, I sneeze and my kernel panics, doesn't mean you need a new computer [03:02] yaa, but I don't know where to go from here. was stable for years, now it won't even boot up with a fresh install. :-( [03:02] oic [03:02] I thought this was an upgrade that was working fine [03:02] I dunno, sounds like you just had a mutt. Some computers just weren't meant to run lolnux, so sayeth the great user in the sky [03:03] dundee: added my 2 cents to your bug report [03:03] the "upgrade" started me on this adventure. the "upgrade" seems to have killed my system so much that not even a re-install will work. [03:05] jedihawk: lol. computers are awesome. [03:05] xixor: after five or six years of stability, now it decides not to work? [03:05] five or six years is like 50 years in dog years for comptuers [03:05] xixor: now booting up in to "live mode" from one of my USB drives... [03:05] does that work? [03:05] five years is a lifetime, in the pcmarket [03:06] yes, that works. I see the KDE desktop. [03:06] SIR_Taco: Thanks. [03:07] network works. [03:07] dundee: I'll follow it and see what I can do to fix it in my sparse time if possible [03:08] I've mounted my active partition /dev/sda1 [03:08] SIR_Taco: Ok [03:10] dang, my home dir is over 200G! [03:12] geez, mplayer2 works with sound. I could almost run my system like this. [03:16] jedihawk: second times the charm. If it were me, I'd re-install kubuntu 12.10, format the system drives, etc. I have my lolnux boxes setup with /home on separate partitions, so the system installed on / can be lost without much consequence === charles__ is now known as Guest43510 [03:19] xixor: good idea. I'm thinking I'll put my /home dir on an entirely separate drive next time. [04:56] I think I found the problem. Or A problem. While browsing my home dir (and pruning), the drive mount went away. Looking in /dev/ for the drive, there was no /dev/sda*. So it seems that my main drive is hozed. :-( There are cursed items in the world, and this is one of them. === kubuntu is now known as Guest90155 [06:42] morning.. [06:42] what is the key to load grub2 menu on boot? shift? [06:42] left/right? [06:48] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <-- how about any key according to the link? [06:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <-- how about any key according to the link? noaXess [07:04] hey almoxarife.. thanks... so right shift. and sometimes ESC HA [07:07] anyone here has talked about a new browser.. hm.. don't rebmber the name [07:11] ha got it.. qupzilla ;) === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === shumski__ is now known as shumski === shumski is now known as shumski__ === andrea is now known as Guest92449 === Guest92449 is now known as VlanX [08:56] why is kubuntu so neglected by media and in general? [08:56] its hardly been reviewed the last year === nilesh is now known as Guest45155 === andrea_ is now known as VLanX === andrea is now known as VlanX [09:45] hi every body [09:46] hi hydron [09:47] I organise a club of infomatics and robotics, tomorrow, I'm going give them an introduction to linux using Kubuntu as example [09:47] and of course most of them are using windows [09:47] and don't have a fast cinnexion in the university [09:48] What continent/country/city ? [09:48] Morocco [09:48] so I want them to install Kubuntu with wubi installer [09:48] offline [09:49] great! if you have internet there, show them this IRC support :-) [09:49] I mean, having a downloaded iso image, is that possible ? [09:49] :D of course [09:49] but our internet is very low [09:50] and may be It want be working Sunday :P [09:50] sure, wubi is on the kubuntu.iso [09:50] no, It isn't, I guess [09:50] Hi all! [09:51] Yes it is, i just checked [09:51] hi swex [09:51] just to be sure, please give the link where from you downloaded the image [09:51] hi swex [09:51] I found interesting stuff! Kplayer (kde mplayer ui) adds shortcut to right click context menu [09:52] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.10/release/ [09:52] thank you a lot :D [09:53] how to implement that? [10:05] fu.. my xorg is getting me crazy.. [10:05] hey - maybe offtopic (again) but can I ask a query about KVM here? [10:15] Hi. Is it possible to install the tablet version on a Nexus 7? [10:19] I have trouble using SFTP in conjunction with a filemanager [10:20] It's unreliable. [10:21] But I don't understand this, because the tool sftp is reliable and I'd expect they share code so there is no way KDE could disable sftp from working properly when launched from Dolphin [10:22] Hello all-I am running kubuntu 12.10 and my sound devices seem to have been replaced with pulseaudio in phonon-the audio no longer seems to work either >< [10:23] Does anyone have any input on how to fix it?:) [10:25] The weird thing is I am sure the individual devices were listed in phonon yesterday, now it just shows pulse. [10:26] slacking_rich, if all else fails and your sure you haven't changed any hardward/drivers you could always do [10:26] sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop [10:27] (as your user) [10:27] rm -rf ~/.kde [10:27] sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm start [10:27] - this will wipe all kde settings (including kde apps) to default [10:28] Better to move the .kde (to .kde.bak) than to delete. [10:28] yossarianuk: Thanks, but I'd rather not lose my other settings. It was working fine yesterday, I did install some updates but I think it was just apache. [10:28] Believe that kmail stores it mail in there, so if you are using POP it ain't a good idea to go around deleting the folder... [10:32] Have you tried to just restart kde? [10:33] yossarianuk: No, I just turned the pc on this morning. [10:33] hm.. since xorg from 12.10 i need to disable desktop effects complete .. with desktop effects after minutes, xorg going up to 20-40% cpu ussage and i can't work on my machine.. [10:33] worth a go [10:35] yossarianuk: Thanks, I'll try that and see if it works. Does kde actually require pulseaudio? [10:37] slacking_rich: No you could use alsa with kde, you might even be able to uses OSS but of that I'm not sure. [10:38] kde doesn't but some ubuntu packages (i.e kubuntu packages are designed for it by default) [10:38] lordievader: Thanks, I am just looking at the pulse documentation now. [10:38] slacking_rich: However for most people PulseAudio has matured enough to be fine for them. [10:38] i.e I run arch and KDE with no pulseaudio [10:38] oddly I have the least issues with that.... [10:39] lordievader: Yeah, I don't wnat to break anything. The pulse website states that: This generally implies that Phonon has been compiled correctly with PulseAudio support but the KDE-specific support module for PulseAudio has not been loaded. [10:40] slacking_rich: What is your problem exactly? [10:41] in 12.10 is lightdm new dm? [10:41] yes [10:41] default dm.. [10:41] hm.. ok [10:42] I think you can change back if you want. [10:42] yossarianuk: which is better and faster? [10:42] kdm or lightdm? [10:42] noaXess: Kdm probably got corrupted in the upgrade, but you can simply reinstall it and it will work again. [10:42] well I have used kdm for nearly 10 years... [10:43] kdm seems easier to theme. [10:43] lordievader: you mean on upgrade 12.04 to 12.10 kdm was removed and lightdm set as defaut? [10:43] lordievader: No audio in kde, also the devices were not showing in phonon [10:43] can that cause xorg cpu usage? [10:43] lordievader: But running 'start-pulseaudio-kde' seems to have fixed it. [10:44] noaXess: In my upgraded kdm wasn't removed, just got corrupted... [10:44] on a fresch 12.10 install, which is the default dm on kubuntu? [10:45] noaXess: Ligtdm, for your xorg problem check the logs, they might give you a hint. [10:46] lordievader: ok... lunch first ;).. bbs [10:51] yossarianuk, lordievader: Thanks for the help both, going to get back to work now its fixed:) === kubuntu is now known as Guest3190 [11:46] has anyone here messed with PlayOnLinux [11:46] ? [12:00] devin_, yes [12:01] devin_, it's a good idea, but the scripts are generally bad. [12:01] devin_, I have not ever been able to use it for anything. [12:01] devin_, that is, I wanted to try it on some applications that I had configured by hand in a new profile, but they didn't work, and as such I strongly recommend you to understand how wine works yourself. [12:02] Is 4.9.3 going to work on 12.04? [12:03] dont know im using 12.10 and im not real solid on the whole wine concept yet [12:03] devin_, if your time is worth a lot to you, you should just use a separate Windows machine. [12:04] devin_, that said, I find wine to be a useful program, as opposed to PlayOnLinux. [12:04] lol, no i like to learn alos im holding a grudge against msoft atm === paolo is now known as faLUCE [12:05] devin_, you should use it because it is better for your purposes, not for phych. reasons. [12:05] pscy. * [12:08] for the reasons of one OS simplicity, and not having to deal with ridiculous licensing/warranty rules and bad customer support? certainly [12:09] However its best not to fund a patent troll which in turn funds legal attacks against computing for mankind [12:09] especially as tax payers are *forced* to fund microsoft through taxes [12:09] YES THAT! THANKYOU [12:10] schools, hopitals m etc all use windows paid for by the tax payer - there is no reason at all that the police 'needs' windows. [12:12] Hi, is there a list of temp/cache folders that can be safely erased if necessary, or excluded from backup? i.e. ~/.cache, ~/.kde/cache*, ~/.thumbnails, etc.? [12:13] except that its a universal system that every one already knows, apple is slowly breaking that wall down though [12:16] hi, can somebody pls tell me where to find the temp files of flash player. used to be in /tmp but it's not there anymore. [12:22] bartson usually there are in ~/.macomedia [12:22] ~/.adobe [12:25] once I installed the dropbox plugin for dolphin, I tried It, but didn't work, so I uninstalled It, but the dropbox entry in the right click menu is still apearing, how to get ride of It ? [12:26] thx yoss [12:27] hydron: the menu might be stored in ~/.kde/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus [12:27] you could re-install it then [12:27] apt-get --purge remove it [12:27] remove what ? [12:27] dolphin ? [12:28] bartson: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/flash-video-chromium-where-does-chromium-save-flash-videos/ [12:29] thank u Peace though i'm using firefox [12:29] bartson: just use download helper to download flash videos [12:29] bartson: addons [12:31] bartson: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopd21071.png [12:31] well wait a sec if its firefox then heres something,http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/saving-flash-videos-in-linux-tmp-no-longer-works [12:32] but i thought that problem was already solved [12:32] yossarianuk: you didn't tell me what to remove [12:33] on firefox you need to find out the flash file somewhere i mean is hard devin_ [12:33] well thx but that post is really old [12:33] devin_: with download helper it's trivial to save flash [12:33] oh ok [12:33] you can even convert files into mp3 [12:34] if you have ffmpeg installed properly [12:34] ja i know [12:34] yeah i used something like that on win xp before [12:34] but it's not exactly what i'm lookin for [12:35] would be nice if all my stream still would be in the /tmp folder [12:36] do yall someone would use a WINEPREFIX rather than install a wine program straight to my drive_c directory [12:37] bartson: it's the same right now but it's harder to find it [12:38] why still using Windows devin? [12:39] find .mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache -type f -exec file {} \; | grep Flash [12:39] bartson: [12:39] windows works AND is supports hardware I need AND has software that linux doesn't [12:39] i was up until they screwed me a few weeks ago before that i switched back and forth [12:39] but... as I don't need either on my desktop that's where linux lies [12:40] Hi, is there a list of temp/cache folders that can be safely erased if necessary, or excluded from backup? I found ~/.cache, ~/.kde/cache*, ~/.thumbnails, ~/.local/share/Trash, but there are probably more... [12:40] i think its still an interesting system from a technical perspective [12:41] what is it specific what brings u back to windows? [12:41] hydron - sorry never used dropbox... [12:41] assuming you installed a debfile [12:42] amichair: cache is cache so the datas in those folders will be erased sometime [12:42] (or via apt) [12:42] try to find out package name with [12:42] dpkg -l | grep -i dropbox [12:42] you need to install kfiledrop [12:42] to use dropbox on kde [12:43] thank you [12:43] Peace-: they should be, but not necessarily when u need the disk space, or when it wastes resources when traversing the filesystem for other reasons, or taking up many GBs of backup capacity unnecessarily... [12:43] the plugin doesn't aprear as a package [12:43] hydron: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/how-to-use-dropbox-and-kde-or-kubuntu/ [12:43] devin? [12:43] hydron: for the service menu i wil help you after [12:43] i guess i did a version that should work [12:44] ok, thank you very much Peace :) [12:44] well its so widespread that it easily works with almost anything [12:45] but its seriously lacking on open source [12:46] and linux is easier to optimise to my specific wants thats why i switched [12:47] have yall heard of reactOS [12:47] hydron: to use the service menu try this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4127065/DropboxServiceMenu-0.16.1_peace.tar.gz [12:47] it's a version i fixed it should work correctly [12:48] how to install it please ? [12:48] as a plugin for dolphin ? [12:48] untar it [12:49] hydron: then there is a script that install it [12:49] ok, I see It :) [12:49] so from konsole ./installer-name [12:50] so, what comes after running the script ? [12:51] yes, ReactOS supossed to be a windows clone [12:51] hydron: have you read my post ? [12:51] hydron: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/how-to-use-dropbox-and-kde-or-kubuntu/ [12:51] but personally I think it's never getting finished [12:52] not a clone necessarily, wouldnt a clone have to be a specific version of windows [12:53] I think I need to install kfilebox :) [12:53] yeah maybe how long does an apha stage normally take [12:53] definitely no! Linux for example is a Unix clone [12:54] there's no orig. unix code in linux [12:54] i see your point [12:55] i tried reactos over two years ago [12:55] hydron: btw i need to test the service menu users has said there is a problem [12:55] seems nothing developed further till now === kubuntu is now known as Guest12530 [12:56] I'm installing kfilebox now [12:57] me too the blog still looks active though [12:58] i wonder whats going on [12:58] but i can't see a point for ReactOS anyway [12:58] no kfilebox package here [12:58] but... dropbox works without it [12:58] it's as useless as KDE on Windows [12:58] no Point at all [13:01] haha the point is for people like me who think software should be open source as much as practicle so other people can make it better [13:02] sure, in Kubuntu u got it all [13:02] no need for an old fashione windows clone [13:03] thats why i use kubuntu but not everyone has heard the gospel yet [13:03] espescially software publishers [13:03] guys for chat there is #kubuntu-offtopic tx [13:04] k [13:04] Hey all [13:04] come on it's quiet here anyways [13:05] bartson: this is support man , you can talk better on the offtopic room [13:07] yea u right [13:09] Peace: Are u a official support team? or ur just a nice guy to help ppl? [13:09] just don know how this works here exactly?? [13:09] bartson: i am here since 4\5 years [13:10] and yea i know how her it works [13:10] but i mean is this ur freetime here? [13:10] well right now i am working [13:10] xD [13:11] admin? [13:11] sure === paolo is now known as faLUCE [13:23] hydron: i have tested my version and it works === cryptfu_ is now known as Guest38377 [13:38] hi all just installed 12.10 and I am trying to install my Brother MFC j835dw printer. I installed the print driver but could not install the cupswarapper due to cannot fill dependencies. Can someone help get this running [13:40] cubbybear, have you updated/upgraded since your install ? [13:41] BluesKaj: I updated the system after the install an before I attempted to get printer running [13:42] cubbybear, also run , dist-upgrade [13:42] BluesKaj: ok [13:43] there was a cups ugrade a few days ago [13:44] BluesKaj: I am geting comand not found error [13:46] cubbybear: wait can you install and managet your printer here ? http://localhost:631/printers [13:46] sudo apt-get update:sudo apt-get upgrade , then , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [13:55] BluesKaj: Same problem Printer apperas in list of printers, but the print driver does not apperar in the list of drivers [13:56] BluesKaj: did the upgrade thing and tried the localhost thing [13:57] cubbybear: try to install your printer from here http://localhost:631/printers [13:57] cubbybear: remove teh printer then you reinstall always from http://localhost:631/printers [13:58] BluesKaj: tried that the same thing the printer is seen but the printdriver does not appear in the list of print drivers [13:59] sorry dunno [13:59] bye [13:59] cubbybear, have you tried this site for the driver , you might need it , http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html [14:01] That is where I got the driver and the cupswrapper and I followed their printed instruction to install including following the prerequists [14:04] cubbybear, right , then their driver is probly not up to date , that's all I can think of atm [14:05] BluesKaj: thanks I am going to try a shutdown and restart that is the last thing I can think of === Vito_away is now known as Vito === low_ is now known as Guest97355 === Obsidian1723-2 is now known as Obsidian1723 [15:05] will kubuntu get kde 4.9.3? [15:07] amd it's already in the kubuntu- ppa [15:07] AMDAthlon,^ [15:08] oh [15:08] will it make its way into 12.10 outside of PPA? [15:08] ether way thanks! [15:08] eventually ..probly soon [15:09] thanks man! g2g [15:22] Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported. [15:22] KDE bug 309045 in KMix Panel Docking "kmix causes plasma system tray to flicker when a new pulse stream is opened or closed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [15:55] if i has NAS with music can amorok set that as a default library or sync source [15:56] rijack: Is it an NFS mount? [15:57] so... how do I get kubuntu to let me at the it87 sensors [15:58] i think it defaulted to samba i not real knowledgable about nas and harddrive doesnt like anything but ntfs. somehow Kubuntu still reads and writes to it fine [15:59] rijack: When you say Kubuntu reads/writes to it, specifically what is it reading/writing to? To a mounted filesystem? [16:02] to the drive it doesnt show up as mounted unless i plug it into the usb but the system will R/W whether it usb or network [16:04] Well, if you have it as a mounted filesystem, yes you can set Amarok to use it. [16:06] hhi [16:10] ok how do set it up right now it says it needs a smb protocol source plugin and cant find it. also can it be set up as part of the local collection so i dont have to navigate to it [16:12] rijack, does the drive show in places in dolphin [16:12] when is 4.9.3 coming to 12.04 LTS ? [16:14] well indirectly yes, ill get the path just a sec [16:15] So, I notice there isn't any plasma-active package for ARM in the Ubuntu repos, at least as far as packages.ubuntu.com is concerned. I'd love to try out Plasma Active on a Nexus 7, however; are there any built packages somewhere? [16:16] network / Samba Shares/ Workgroup/ Router(Belkin Router)/ Drive(A1) [16:19] rijack , it's connected to the router by usb , that's a different story [16:20] uh oh will it still work [16:21] rijack, if the router is NTFS then connecting it to a pc would be simpler , just set up the drive to share with other pcs [16:21] Hmm, come on here to report my issue and it disappears, I am watching you desura. [16:23] not the router sorry i meant to say "drive " [16:23] rijack, ^ [16:24] ok let's clear this up rijack , to what is the drive connected ? [16:27] the router via USB [16:27] if i navigate thru places and click a song [16:27] rijack, one question , why to the router ? [16:28] vlc will play it [16:28] i Want multiple computers to access it [16:29] but amarok say it needs some other plugin [16:30] i would rather use amorok cause i like the interface better [16:30] ok , always on , but a pc connection with share permissions works as well [16:30] which plugin rijack [16:31] hold on [16:31] SMB protocol source [16:31] when it searches for this it can never find it [16:34] rijack, in amarok plugins , check SMB (Windows) share backend [16:36] amarok>settings>configure amarok>plugins [16:36] iits checked [16:40] still have issues with xorg cpu usage if desktop effects are enabled.. logfile Xorg.0.log does not show any specials [16:40] does a switch from lightdm to kdm be a solution? [16:41] I wish i could recreate your issue , but my router doesn't have usb , i just leave my external drive connected to my always on pc [16:41] rijack,^ === loise is now known as leonardo1915 [17:01] Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported. (it usually corrupts the graphics after a while) [17:01] KDE bug 309045 in KMix Panel Docking "kmix causes plasma system tray to flicker when a new pulse stream is opened or closed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [17:03] onitg, what's the advantage of the newer kmix over the present one ? [17:03] when an application (any application) plays a sound [17:03] the whole system tray flickers and bounces around [17:03] it usually end up full of artifacts [17:04] hmm on 12.10 ? [17:04] it's the same bug i've linked [17:04] if i completely close kmix the bug doesn't happen [17:04] yeah i'm using the latest release, with all the updates applied === k is now known as nevsky [17:05] i have to remove it because each time i receive an IM (sound notification) play a video or some music the system tray starts to bounce around until it corrupts the graphics [17:05] even with flash player on web pages [17:06] onitg, I haven't experienced that ,... could it be the desktop theme perhaps ? [17:06] i don't know, it's the same bug that is reported to the page i've linked [17:06] if i remove kmix everything works fine [17:07] i can try to change theme [17:07] but i didn't install any, i'm using the one provided with kubuntu [17:08] ok i tried with other themes from the default installation and the problem persists [17:09] so i can either update kmix from somewhere else, or try to revert back to the previous kubuntu version [17:14] ...BBL [17:15] BluesKaj: see you later [17:21] I just finished up this function to find the mean, median, mode or range of a series of numbers. I think the code that handles the statistics is okay, but I'm not sure on how to go about error checking (if the user tries to send a list of strings as an argument, which wouldn't be supported by the first and last if statements in the function) or if it would even be warranted as I know nothing about error checking in code. Can someone take [17:21] a look? http://bpaste.net/show/9M7gPfuBRxCHC9uJquIr/ === szal_ is now known as szal [17:24] xwalk: #python would be a better place to ask [17:24] *facepalm extreme mode* [17:24] Wrong channel tab... [17:24] .39 [17:24] oops [17:38] rijack, let's discuss the issue here , rather than in offtopic [17:38] oh oops [17:39] prtscn [17:39] terminal command? [17:39] on your keyboard, it's beside f12 on mine [17:40] so you've decided to remain connected to the router ? [17:42] yes ithink this is a fixable issue because i can navigate throught places to the drive double click on a song and it plays [17:43] but that same error come and its not until i click cancel that the sooong stops [17:44] rijack, you can do that when connected to on any linux pc , and if the drive uses ntfs then any windows pc as well [17:45] I find samba unreliable [17:46] k so why is it aproblem to do it through the media player [17:46] what is the dif between smb and what i just did [17:49] it's not the media player , it's the connection to the router that can cause problems , connecting it to apc that's always on is more reliable [17:50] no smb or samba needed [17:56] is there a place where i can read more about this [17:56] a router connection sounds more direct but it's not due to the network/router protocol required by such a connection, unless you have router access thru it's webpage and options settings , but not all routers are that configurable [17:56] rijack: what's the problem samba again ? [17:57] cause i dont know anything about routers [18:00] trying to stream direct from hard drive thru usb@router to amarok [18:00] rijack: ah amarok [18:00] i guess there was a problem with that [18:00] and there is the wiki [18:00] let me try to find out [18:01] BluesKaj: :) http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=155117&file1=155117-1.jpeg&file2=&file3=&name=Dark+Rock+Solid++Nowardev [18:01] rijack: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Samba [18:03] thankyou i will at it [18:04] Peace-, he wants the drive connected to his router [18:04] is smb.conf of interest to me on this [18:05] BluesKaj: ok but there is a computer right ? or not? [18:05] BluesKaj: or it's a special device? [18:05] there is a computer at the client not the server [18:07] the server is integrated into the router, its a belkin n750db [18:07] hii [18:08] it seem to have a reasonable powerful firmware so it looks like imight be learning router scripting soon === gres_ is now known as akSeya === vinces1979 is now known as vinces [18:18] rijack, you may not need to do any scripting , just find the router assigned IP of the drive the routers internal webpage networking options or some such and use the IP with the "add network folder" in dolphin /network [18:19] alright let me see what i can find [18:20] bbiab ...going to check mail/postbox [18:26] well i know the router is unix based now [18:29] this is what the router calls it /tmp/sda1 : /mnt/shared/Drive(A1) [18:30] rijack, no IP ? [18:31] i couldnt find one but i did find an option to create a virtual server [18:32] i could send prtscrn if i figure out how to upload images\ [18:33] !imagebin | rijack [18:33] rijack: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. [18:34] rijack, well , I'm not familiar with the router but any pcs or devices connected usually have an IP address assigned in the "connected devices " list or page [18:35] Well, I just got here so not sure what came before. But some of them use only command-line interface like Juniper [18:36] i understand but this one only ounted it as sda1 [18:36] i was looking at the log when i plugged it in [18:36] then i went to the dhcp list and nothing [18:44] what are the consequences of turning acpi off [18:49] ozzzy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2075434 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:52] I used to be able to set acp_enforce_resources to lax and have my fans show up... doesn't work now [19:15] Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported. (it usually corrupts the graphics after a while) [19:15] KDE bug 309045 in KMix Panel Docking "kmix causes plasma system tray to flicker when a new pulse stream is opened or closed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [19:20] onitg: just install veromix ? [19:21] Peace-: that's far from being a fix (the bug is still there) but if it provides the same functionality i guess i can try it out [19:22] onitg: sudo apt-get install plasma-wdiget-veromix [19:25] Peace-: it's not so nice but i guess i can use it for now [19:26] i can keep kmix closed so that it stops corrupting the system tray [19:27] Peace-: how am i supposed to report this kind of bug? it's not something that needs to be fixed, updating the package would work [19:27] onitg: ubuntu-bug i guess [19:29] onitg: for that one would need the actual fix first. Putting kmix 4.10 together with kde 4.9 is out of question. And 91495f is only a doc fix, not the fix for that bug [19:30] yofel: maybe that specific revision is just the one the tested the issue with. the fix is between the revision used by kubuntu and the one reported to be working [19:31] right, except that the diff between the 4.9 branch and master is 8752 lines long [19:31] yofel: does this mean i will have to keep kmix broken until a new kubuntu version is released? [19:31] so unless a kmix dev points out when that was fixed it's unlikely to be fixed in kubuntu [19:32] the ideal workflow would be to get this fixed upstream for 4.9.4 [19:32] onitg: btw veromix is a very good mixer [19:32] i prefer it because you can even equalize the ooutput [19:33] Anyone know how to reset the settings of oxygen-gtk? [19:33] yofel: would installing kmix 4.10 give problems to my kde 4.9? [19:33] (and the KDE config files so that it is used) [19:34] Peace-: yeah i'm not telling that it's bad, maybe i'm just too much used to kmix [19:34] onitg: :) give it a try [19:34] it's just a pity that such an important program of the KDE desktop is broken :( [19:34] aleth: gtk2: ~/.gtkrc-2.0, gtk3: ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini [19:35] is there a money management for kde? [19:35] program* [19:35] FlyingElvis: there's kmymoney [19:35] * yofel hasn't tried it [19:35] ok ill go look for it ty [19:36] onitg: you're free to try if you know how to build and install it [19:36] yofel: thanks. I've reset both, as far as I can tell. But the tabbar background and some widgets are still not styled properly [19:36] hm, dunno then, that should be all of the settings [19:37] i could try to revert back to the previous version of kubuntu or format the hard drive [19:37] I think trying veromix would be easier for now ^^ [19:37] yofel: i'm just scared about this thing, it's not the first time i had bugs [19:38] aleth: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopcz2652.png [19:38] the first time i had some, i tried to report them and had email notifications for months [19:38] and the bugs were still there [19:38] for example, the time server sync setting in the date and time panel is not working [19:39] and it's been like that forever (it crashes the settings panel if you try to apply the settings a couple of times - and never works for me) [19:39] Peace-: Those are empty for me (apart from a "created by KDE" comment). What should they be? [19:40] ty yofel kmymoney was exactly what i was looking for :) [19:40] aleth: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopOg2652.png [19:41] Peace-: ah, that could be the problem then, thanks! === kubuntu is now known as Guest60623 [20:40] How do I know how my keyboard layout is named in KDE? [20:42] invariant: not so easy. There are sites with photos of keyboards and names of layouts. [20:42] invariant: or you can use 'xkeycaps' which has a lot of builting layouts to check out [20:51] Walex, I know the layout now, but where can I configure that exactly? [20:55] with kxkb [20:56] which is the GUI for the XKB subsystem (command line 'xkeymap' etc.) [20:56] System settings->Hardware->keyboard Advanced tab [20:57] oops Layout tab [20:57] oops agian ;Hardware:keyboard model [20:58] hopefully this will be an easy one. is there a way i can add parameter befor starting a program under wine [20:58] *parameters before [20:59] rijack: there is a WINE specific channell [21:00] there is? is there a directory for all these channels somewhere [21:00] it'd be really helpful [21:01] Walex, that only lists US or US alternative. [21:01] Walex, it doesn't say how those look like. [21:01] invariant: you can add new layouts [21:02] invariant: that's why you use some other program or photos to figure out the layout. Or you try a few [21:03] Too bad that the keyboards themselves don't just report the geometry of all the keys to the driver. [21:03] invariant: also note the 'Hardware>keyboard model selector' for the physiucal layout [21:03] This is just a failure in computer hardware design. [21:03] invariant: it would be moderately difficult, and it was too difficult to do in the original PC technology. [21:04] Walex, sure, but burning history wouldn't be a bad thing. [21:04] invariant: the difficulty with burning history is that history means "standard" which means interoperability [21:06] Walex, in that case a single company should just replace everything. [21:07] Like Apple. [21:08] invariant: that is what created the original PC standard. Then IBM sort of lost interest and this created a uinified standard which was in effect not proprietary [21:08] also Apple's strategy is not to create flexible standards, but to the create prebuilt configurations with very few choices. [21:08] Yeah, I suppose there is still a 500billion dollar niche. [21:09] Except most people don't know they want freedom. [21:09] Problem with some of this open-source software is that it marketed as a replacement, which it isn't. [21:09] E.g. Excel has no viable replacement. [21:10] That is, when you get a random Excel document and want to print it, it's simply not going to work properly. [21:10] invariant: that's a clone, not an equivalent. [21:11] Walex, no, a clone has the same GUI too. [21:11] Walex, it's an equivalent which happens to be compatible too. [21:12] If these are not tech support issues relating to Kubuntu, may be better discussed in #kubuntu-offtopic instead :-) [21:12] The best solution would be to create standards for these types of documents. [21:13] It's not actually one of my problems directly. It's just that some people complain about it in my surroundings. [21:13] Regarding Kubuntu, will 4.9.3. be released for 12.04? [21:14] Yes. From the -devel channel, earlier: yofel_: from the looks of it, 4.9.3 for precise is still building : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=pending [21:15] it's done building and shadeslayer said it works for him, I'll publish it in a bit [21:15] Just to be sure: 4.9.3 fixes more problems than it creates, right? [21:15] that's the plan... === Vito is now known as Vito_away [21:22] I have 4.8.5 on KU 12.04 and it is from the Kubuntu PPA. Is that the latest "stable"? [21:24] 12.04 is LTS , hence the older but more stable KDE [21:25] but that's the Kubuntu PPA, and the 4.9.3 above is mentioned for 12.04 too [21:26] That's a backport, you can install it if you want, but 4.8 is generally more tested [21:26] Walex, your package manager has a setting that you must change in order to receive ppa packages [21:28] I use Aptitude usually and I got "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu precise main" in '/etc/apt/sources.list'. But I'll double check [21:28] 4.9 is in kubuntu-ppa/backports [21:29] 4.9.3 is not yet on backports [21:29] 4.9.2 is. [21:31] ahhh I guess the difference is between '/kubuntu-ppa/backports/' and '/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/' just checked in a browser and they are both there. [21:31] 4.9.3 is in the kubuntu-ppa for 12.10 [21:31] If I mount smb folder, it creates .gvfs folder followed by the name of hostname-folder... does kde do the same? and where is that folder ? [21:31] you can check if it's ac=vailable for 12.04 [21:33] wher does kubuntu store the mounted smb-folders ? [21:33] where * [21:35] invariant: it'll be there in a few minutes [21:38] hello [21:38] Walex, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=quantal [21:39] thanks! [21:39] Walex: and for 12.04 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.series_filter=precise&batch=200 === achim is now known as Guest67115 [21:44] deadsoul: hmm, what you mean by mounted smb folders? [21:44] deadsoul, dolphin/places/network [21:45] yofel: thanks too [21:47] Tm_T: on gnome if you open smb://some-ip/foler it will mount that folder in .gvfs directory... what about kde.. if you go to dolphin > network > samba shares > workgrounp > name-of-machine > some-folder [21:47] where does it mount that folder to ? [21:48] deadsoul: AFAIK in KDE it doesn't get mounted [21:49] Tm_T: Aww, [21:49] KDE's smarter (; [21:50] deadsoul: if something is mounted you will see where in Dolphin's 'Places' [21:51] deadsoul: as hints, KDE has a more comprehensive "virtual mount" by which KDE programs can access stuff that is not mounted, e.g. FTP sites, web folders/DAV folders, etc. [21:51] Tm_T: tha means i will have to mount it manually if i want to use diff app for example [21:51] deadsoul: if you want to use non-KDE app, yes [21:52] deadsoul: but you can use KDE to mount it. [21:53] Tm_T: is kdiff a KDE app? [21:53] Walex: how? [21:53] deadsoul: it is [21:56] amm, yesterday i tried to play a movie from my network-folder using smplayer.. and i had to wait till kde download the whole movie-file in /tmp/ ... why is that ? can't it just play it over the network ? === simplew is now known as simyoplew [22:04] deadsoul, try vlc or dragonplayer ..smplayer was always abit buggy IME [22:05] mplayer guis all seem halfbaked to me === simyoplew is now known as simplew [22:18] BluesKaj: thanks, I'll try vlc [22:25] kaffeine, kmplayer, kplayer [22:25] actually not kmplayer: it is just a frontend for mplayer, and mplayer is not integrated with the KDE libraries [23:13] lol, sup