[00:02] <almoxarife> is it possible to ignore 'joins' in konversation?
[00:09] <OerHeks> Settings -> Configure Konversation; in the left sidebar, Behavior -> Chat Window; Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[00:13] <almoxarife> OerHeks: thanks for the info, i guess i did not really look for my own self
[00:14] <OerHeks> below that is a nice one, "except for watched nicks and active nicks.."
[00:14] <almoxarife> OerHeks: saw it, i dont have any to watch, yet :)
[00:14] <OerHeks> So you can see active members leave, if i read it correct.
[00:16] <almoxarife> i am in the middle of updating to kde 4.9.3 from 4.9.2 , hoping for the best
[00:17] <OerHeks> Let us know, almoxarife
[00:18] <almoxarife> OerHeks: its opensuse, i am assuming its a safe move
[00:18] <almoxarife> assuming :)
[00:19] <OerHeks> You may. I think the KDE family is closer than Gnome.
[00:19] <dundee> Greetings All.  I am a new comer to KDE/Kubuntu. I have upgraded to KDE 4.9.3 and now when I use Krunner and press enter, the app is not launching as usual.
[00:19] <dundee> I have to click, anyone experiencing the same problem?
[00:20] <OerHeks> I am still @ 4.9.2
[00:20] <almoxarife> dundee: i am about to find out, updating now
[00:21] <almoxarife> dundee: can you downgrade krunner?
[00:21] <dundee> almoxarife: Thanks for responding. I don't know how to downgrade.
[00:22] <almoxarife> dundee: what distro you use?
[00:22] <dundee> I am using Kubuntu
[00:23] <almoxarife> dundee: did you update via a ppa addition?
[00:26] <dundee> Almoxarife: Yes I used a ppa
[00:26] <dundee> Almoxarife: I think its backport
[00:27] <OerHeks> dundee, you can use ppa-purge to restore 4.9.2 , but that will downgrade all packages, not onlu krunner.
[00:27] <OerHeks> c/only
[00:28] <SIR_Taco_> you likely can't just downgrade krunner (for dependency reasons)
[00:30] <dundee>  Ok I see. I did it because on the website it says you should upgrade if you are running 4.9.2 or earlier.
[00:31] <dundee> I have seen may bug fixes so I thought it would be a good thing to upgrade.
[00:31] <almoxarife> dundee: if it is a kde issue i will tell you in a sec, i am updating to 9.3 now in opensuse, tell you in a few min
[00:32] <dundee> almoxarife: Ok .
[00:32] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: I'm in the process of doing the same on this computer... didn't run into the problem on my other computer
[00:34] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: which distro?
[00:35] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: Kubuntu 12.10
[00:36] <dundee> yes Kubuntu 12.10
[00:38] <dundee> SIR_Taco:  So its not a KDE issue, its a distro issue?
[00:39] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: not sure yet, give me about 10 mins to finish getting this update :P
[00:39] <SIR_Taco_> well... more like 5 mins
[00:40] <almoxarife> dundee: worked here fine, searched krunner, app showed, hit return, app started
[00:42] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: you have logged out and back in after updating?
[00:43] <dundee> I have this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu and this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu in my software sources.
[00:43] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Yes I did that many times
[00:43] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Did you use backports ppa to upgrade?
[00:48] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: no, I'm using regular old updates ppa      ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[00:49] <SIR_Taco_> 12.10 shouldn't exactly have backports for a while
[00:50] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Oh that's probably causing the problem.
[00:50] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Can I purge the backports?
[00:51] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Will the ppa-purge command work?
[00:52] <chefkoch24143> hallo
[00:52] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: you shouldn't be getting updates from the backports. 13.04 is still in planning and very very very early testing phase. There are no packages in 12.10 backports (as far as I know)
[00:53] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: brb, going to logout and back in and see if I run into your problem
[00:55] <almoxarife> update to 9.3 went over well, so far nothing obviously wrong
[00:56] <OerHeks> dundee, sure, install ppa-purge, and use " sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>"
[00:56] <dundee> almoxarife: I will try and purge the backports now.
[00:57] <almoxarife> dundee: you sure about that move? is krunner the only issue?
[00:57] <almoxarife> dundee: purge has a habit of cause bad things
[00:57] <almoxarife> causing
[00:58] <dundee> almoxarife: Well so far krunner is the only problem that I have seen.
[00:59] <almoxarife> dundee: try to install from 'sources' , back to 4.9.2, i think its 'sources' in synaptic
[00:59] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: interesting.... enter/return doesn't select the proposed program
[01:00] <almoxarife> a ubuntu/kubuntu bug?
[01:01] <almoxarife> can one apt-get a specific version from a selection(repos)?
[01:02] <SIR_Taco_> unless you type the full program name. ie: you can't type 'kons' and see 'Konsole' in the list, and just hit enter/return (as you used to). Also, even typing the full name of the program (like 'konsole') refuses to work
[01:02] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: you can install specific .deb files
[01:03] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: so purge krunner and install specific 'krunner' version? 4.9.2?
[01:05] <dundee> SIR_Taco_: You are experiencing the problem now?
[01:05] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: no, as much as KDE is quite modular having and old Krunner with a new KDE will likely not work and/or crash and burn
[01:05] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: yes
[01:05] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: if you hit the up arrow (which cycles through history), then down arrow, it will let you select the program with enter
[01:06] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: you the original?
[01:07] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: depends on what you're talking about I guess haha
[01:08] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: but yes, that is a bug and need to be fixed. Have you already submitted a bug?
[01:08] <almoxarife> slash-dot ?
[01:09] <dundee> almoxarife, SIR_Taco_: I guess its a bug. Where do I do that?
[01:10] <dundee> Can I report it here: https://bugs.kde.org/
[01:10] <almoxarife> dundee: thats the thing, installs via ppa are discouraged i believe, but your link cant hurt
[01:11] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: haha, no, not that's a different Taco that works for them
[01:11] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: got you
[01:11] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: yes, report it there
[01:12] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Ok I will.
[01:12] <dundee> almoxarife, SIR_Taco_:  Thanks guys.
[01:12] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: not a problem
[01:13] <almoxarife> dundee: good luck with the bug
[01:13] <OerHeks> :-)
[01:13] <dundee> almoxarife, OerHeks: OK
[01:14] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: think cmdr_taco was the slashdot guy :P
[01:15] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: thats it, wrong nick
[01:19] <SIR_Taco_> that's an odd bug
[01:21] <almoxarife> personally i would just try reverting the app to 4.9.2 , go for broke
[01:21] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: it will either not work, or break badly if you were to force it
[01:23] <OerHeks> I wouldn't recommend it too, if krunner gets a update, you won'tknow it has been solved too.
[01:26] <SIR_Taco_> dundee: when you finish your bug report, give me the link so I can confirm it for you
[01:27] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Ok.
[01:28] <almoxarife> i stand corrected, i didnt find the package for 'krunner' in opensuse repos, so i assume its part of some other package
[01:32] <OerHeks> plasma-runner-installer
[01:33] <almoxarife> OerHeks: plasma-runner is the pop-up ?
[01:34] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: yes
[01:35] <almoxarife> kdebase4-workspace <-- krunner?
[01:35] <almoxarife> not going to down grade that one sparky
[01:36] <dundee> SIR_Taco:  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309787
[01:36] <SIR_Taco_> almoxarife: which is why I advised against it :P
[01:37] <almoxarife> SIR_Taco_: i grovelled already, i am grovelled out
[01:37] <SIR_Taco_> no need
[01:38] <almoxarife> that bug is specific to ubuntu, or the ppa, i cant replicate it in opensuse
[01:47] <SIR_Taco_> seems I've completely forgot my bugs.kde.org password...
[01:51] <SIR_Taco_> maybe I'm missing it, but I can't seem to find a 'reset password' option
[01:52] <OerHeks> SIR press login first, then Forgot password appears below the button
[01:52] <OerHeks> not handy
[01:53] <SIR_Taco_> OerHeks: darrr... yea didn't see that for some reason :)
[01:57] <SIR_Taco_> seems I locked my ip out for a bit after guessing wrong :/
[01:58] <SIR_Taco_> at least I reset my password
[02:06] <Robtygart> I messed up typing my email when I was trying to register my nick. Is that a problem?
[02:06] <OerHeks> Robtygart, yes, now you cannot apply the confirmation email.
[02:06] <OerHeks> Robtygart, join #freenode to solve it.
[02:07] <Robtygart> cool thanks
[02:07] <OerHeks> yw
[02:13] <nicekiwi_> is it possible to customise indervidual panels in KDE?
[02:17] <xixor> sup
[02:17] <xixor> nicekiwi_: yes.. of course.  Each panel is it's own panel, to be configured as the great creator in the sky sees fit
[02:21] <nicekiwi_> xixor, really? Even the look and feel of them? Colours etc?
[02:21] <xixor> nicekiwi_: oh, colors.. not sure aboot that, eh
[02:24] <nicekiwi_> xixor, yeah..
[02:24] <xixor> hm.... I dunno
[02:25] <nicekiwi_> I feel the answer is no :/
[02:25] <xixor> yeah, I don't think so
[02:25] <xixor> maybe
[02:25] <xixor> I don't know
[02:25] <xixor> je suis a n000b
[02:25] <ozzzy> how do I install a .deb that's local on my hard drive
[02:25] <xixor> dpkg -i midgetporno.deb
[02:26] <OerHeks> nicekiwi_, maybe this page is a start>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[02:27] <nicekiwi_> OerHeks, no seems like the simplist answer
[02:30] <jedihawk> kubuntu fresh install, kernel panic upon boot:  http://dropcanvas.com/oje4f
[02:33] <jedihawk> I think this system is cursed.
[02:33] <jedihawk> There are cursed items in the world.  This system may be one of them.
[02:34] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, did ur install disk validate checksum?
[02:34] <OerHeks> jedihawk, i have a wild guess, did you enable VT in your bios, that is a memory protection in the CPU
[02:34] <jedihawk> nicekiwi_: Yes. I made sure of that, because every USB installer I've made thus far as failed.
[02:34] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, eeks. How did you create the USB installers?
[02:34] <jedihawk> OerHeks: Where do I find this setting?
[02:35] <OerHeks> jedihawk, depends on your bios , example > http://www.sysprobs.com/disable-enable-virtualization-technology-bios
[02:36] <OerHeks> CPU features, i think
[02:37] <jedihawk> nicekiwi_: Linux Live USB Creator (linuxliveusb.com), Universal USB Installer (pendrivelinux.com), and UNetbootin (http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/).
[02:40] <jedihawk> OerHeks: Secure Virtual Machine Mode?
[02:40] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, ive has major corruption issues with anything except the "Startup Disk Creator" that comes with Ubuntu. Better to use that
[02:40] <OerHeks> jedihawk, yes, Intel has a different name for it than AMD
[02:42] <jedihawk> nicekiwi_: this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick links to http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download, which I've already tried (several times).
[02:42] <nicekiwi_> jedihawk, like I said..
[02:43] <OerHeks> and make sure your HDD controller is set to AHCI, not ide-mode
[02:45] <jedihawk> OerHeks: Maybe that's the issue.  It was set to IDE.  I've changed it to AHCI for both sets of ports.  Rebooting now...
[02:46] <OerHeks> :-)
[02:47] <ozzzy> well.... all the dependencies are there... ./configure runs perfect... but make fails
[02:47] <jedihawk> can't find a bood device now.  :-(
[02:47] <SIR_Taco> there we go, back on bugs.kde.org :)
[02:47] <ozzzy> god I love this crap
[02:47] <OerHeks> jedihawk, oke, then you have to do a install, for the last time i hope.
[02:48] <OerHeks> i hope you don't have xp on that drive too.
[02:48] <OerHeks> it won't work anymore after changing to AHCI.
[02:49] <jedihawk> OerHeks: nope, linux only.
[02:50] <jedihawk> had to change the boot order, found the proper hard drive to boot up on.  same result, kernel panic.
[02:50] <jedihawk> the strange thing is that I've been running Ubuntu on this hardware for the last five or six years without issue.  then I did an upgrade, the system wouldn't boot, so I decided to start fresh.
[02:51] <jedihawk> ...the curse of the perfectly-running linux system...
[02:51] <jedihawk> ...no longer running at all.  it's sad when my WinXP machine is more stable than my linux machine.
[02:52] <xixor> my windows xp, vista, windows 7, and now, windows 8 machines have all been rock solid stable
[02:53] <jedihawk> xixor: yeah. almost makes me want to stop using linux. almost.
[02:53] <xixor> all operating systems suck
[02:53] <xixor> some just suck a little bit less at certain things than others
[02:54] <jedihawk> xixor: yeah. and this one seems to be cursed as well!
[02:55] <xixor>  why wouldn't the ubuntu s ystem boot on startup after the upgrade?
[02:56] <OerHeks> most commen issue: videodriver.
[02:56] <jedihawk> xixor: don't know. the screen was blank (power-saving off) and I couldn't switch to any virtual terminals.
[02:56] <xixor> this was a fresh install, or an upgrade?
[02:56] <jedihawk> couldn't SSH in to it either. also no hard drive activity.
[02:57] <jedihawk> this was back after I did the upgrade.
[02:57] <xixor> OS upgrades... never been a fan.  On mac, linux, or windows... they're always a crapshoot.
[02:57] <OerHeks> it makes me wonder, working fine with IDE-mode ..
[02:59] <xixor> I back my shit up, double-plus good, and re-install fresh
[02:59] <jedihawk> xixor: good policy.
[03:00] <xixor> yep
[03:00] <jedihawk> I guess I'll need to buy a new machine. maybe I can re-use my existing hard drives.
[03:00] <xixor> hm..
[03:00] <xixor> maybe try a live CD?
[03:01] <jedihawk> I just tried disconnecting the other hard drives, in case they were causing trouble. but I still get the kernel panic upon boot.
[03:01] <jedihawk> I'm betting that the hard drives are not the issue.
[03:01] <xixor> lol, I sneeze and my kernel panics, doesn't mean you need a new computer
[03:02] <jedihawk> yaa, but I don't know where to go from here.  was stable for years, now it won't even boot up with a fresh install.  :-(
[03:02] <xixor> oic
[03:02] <xixor> I thought this was an upgrade that was working fine
[03:02] <xixor> I dunno, sounds like you just had a mutt.  Some computers just weren't meant to run lolnux, so sayeth the great user in the sky
[03:03] <SIR_Taco> dundee: added my 2 cents to your bug report
[03:03] <jedihawk> the "upgrade" started me on this adventure. the "upgrade" seems to have killed my system so much that not even a re-install will work.
[03:05] <xixor> jedihawk: lol.  computers are awesome.
[03:05] <jedihawk> xixor: after five or six years of stability, now it decides not to work?
[03:05] <xixor> five or six years is like 50 years in dog years for comptuers
[03:05] <jedihawk> xixor: now booting up in to "live mode" from one of my USB drives...
[03:05] <xixor> does that work?
[03:05] <OerHeks> five years is a lifetime, in the pcmarket
[03:06] <jedihawk> yes, that works.  I see the KDE desktop.
[03:06] <dundee> SIR_Taco:  Thanks.
[03:07] <jedihawk> network works.
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> dundee: I'll follow it and see what I can do to fix it in my sparse time if possible
[03:08] <jedihawk> I've mounted my active partition /dev/sda1
[03:08] <dundee> SIR_Taco: Ok
[03:10] <jedihawk> dang, my home dir is over 200G!
[03:12] <jedihawk> geez, mplayer2 works with sound.  I could almost run my system like this.
[03:16] <xixor> jedihawk: second times the charm.  If it were me, I'd re-install kubuntu 12.10, format the system drives, etc.  I have my lolnux boxes setup with /home on separate partitions, so the system installed on / can be lost without much consequence
[03:19] <jedihawk> xixor: good idea. I'm thinking I'll put my /home dir on an entirely separate drive next time.
[04:56] <jedihawk> I think I found the problem.  Or A problem.  While browsing my home dir (and pruning), the drive mount went away. Looking in /dev/ for the drive, there was no /dev/sda*. So it seems that my main drive is hozed.  :-(  There are cursed items in the world, and this is one of them.
[06:42] <noaXess> morning..
[06:42] <noaXess> what is the key to load grub2 menu on boot? shift?
[06:42] <noaXess> left/right?
[06:48] <almoxarife> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <-- how about any key according to the link?
[06:49] <almoxarife> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <-- how about any key according to the link? noaXess
[07:04] <noaXess> hey almoxarife.. thanks... so right shift. and sometimes ESC HA
[07:07] <noaXess> anyone here has talked about a new browser.. hm.. don't rebmber the name
[07:11] <noaXess> ha got it.. qupzilla ;)
[08:56] <harry12> why is kubuntu so neglected by media and in general?
[08:56] <harry12> its hardly been reviewed the last year
[09:45] <hydron> hi every body
[09:46] <noaXess> hi hydron
[09:47] <hydron> I organise a club of infomatics and robotics, tomorrow, I'm going give them an introduction to linux using Kubuntu as example
[09:47] <hydron> and of course most of them are using windows
[09:47] <hydron> and don't have a fast cinnexion in the university
[09:48] <OerHeks> What continent/country/city ?
[09:48] <hydron> Morocco
[09:48] <hydron> so I want them to install Kubuntu with wubi installer
[09:48] <hydron> offline
[09:49] <OerHeks> great! if you have internet there, show them this IRC support :-)
[09:49] <hydron> I mean, having a downloaded iso image, is that possible ?
[09:49] <hydron> :D of course
[09:49] <hydron> but our internet is very low
[09:50] <hydron> and may be It want be working Sunday :P
[09:50] <OerHeks> sure, wubi is on the kubuntu.iso
[09:50] <hydron> no, It isn't, I guess
[09:50] <swex> Hi all!
[09:51] <OerHeks> Yes it is, i just checked
[09:51] <OerHeks> hi swex
[09:51] <hydron> just to be sure, please give the link where from you downloaded the image
[09:51] <hydron> hi swex
[09:51] <swex> I found interesting stuff! Kplayer (kde mplayer ui) adds shortcut to right click context menu
[09:52] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.10/release/
[09:52] <hydron> thank you a lot :D
[09:53] <swex> how to implement that?
[10:05] <noaXess> fu.. my xorg is getting me crazy..
[10:05] <yossarianuk> hey - maybe offtopic (again) but can I ask a query about KVM here?
[10:15] <Kottizen> Hi. Is it possible to install the tablet version on a Nexus 7?
[10:19] <thechef> I have trouble using SFTP in conjunction with a filemanager
[10:20] <thechef> It's unreliable.
[10:21] <thechef> But I don't understand this, because the tool sftp is reliable and I'd expect they share code so there is no way KDE could disable sftp from working properly when launched from Dolphin
[10:22] <slacking_rich> Hello all-I am running kubuntu 12.10 and my sound devices seem to have been replaced with pulseaudio in phonon-the audio no longer seems to work either ><
[10:23] <slacking_rich> Does anyone have any input on how to fix it?:)
[10:25] <slacking_rich> The weird thing is I am sure the individual devices were listed in phonon yesterday, now it just shows pulse.
[10:26] <yossarianuk> slacking_rich, if all else fails and your sure you haven't changed any hardward/drivers you could always do
[10:26] <yossarianuk> sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
[10:27] <yossarianuk> (as your user)
[10:27] <yossarianuk> rm -rf ~/.kde
[10:27] <yossarianuk> sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm start
[10:27] <yossarianuk> - this will wipe all kde settings (including kde apps) to default
[10:28] <lordievader> Better to move the .kde (to .kde.bak) than to delete.
[10:28] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk: Thanks, but I'd rather not lose my other settings. It was working fine yesterday, I did install some updates but I think it was just apache.
[10:28] <lordievader> Believe that kmail stores it mail in there, so if you are using POP it ain't a good idea to go around deleting the folder...
[10:32] <yossarianuk> Have you tried to just restart kde?
[10:33] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk: No, I just turned the pc on this morning.
[10:33] <noaXess> hm.. since xorg from 12.10 i need to disable desktop effects complete .. with desktop effects after minutes, xorg going up to 20-40% cpu ussage and i can't work on my machine..
[10:33] <yossarianuk> worth a go
[10:35] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk: Thanks, I'll try that and see if it works. Does kde actually require pulseaudio?
[10:37] <lordievader> slacking_rich: No you could use alsa with kde, you might even be able to uses OSS but of that I'm not sure.
[10:38] <yossarianuk> kde doesn't but some ubuntu packages (i.e kubuntu packages are designed for it by default)
[10:38] <slacking_rich> lordievader: Thanks, I am just looking at the pulse documentation now.
[10:38] <lordievader> slacking_rich: However for most people PulseAudio has matured enough to be fine for them.
[10:38] <yossarianuk> i.e I run arch and KDE with no pulseaudio
[10:38] <yossarianuk> oddly I have the least issues with that....
[10:39] <slacking_rich> lordievader: Yeah, I don't wnat to break anything. The pulse website states that: This generally implies that Phonon has been compiled correctly with PulseAudio support but the KDE-specific support module for PulseAudio has not been loaded.
[10:40] <lordievader> slacking_rich: What is your problem exactly?
[10:41] <noaXess> in 12.10 is lightdm new dm?
[10:41] <yossarianuk> yes
[10:41] <noaXess> default dm..
[10:41] <noaXess> hm.. ok
[10:42] <yossarianuk> I think you can change back if you want.
[10:42] <noaXess> yossarianuk: which is better and faster?
[10:42] <noaXess> kdm or lightdm?
[10:42] <lordievader> noaXess: Kdm probably got corrupted in the upgrade, but you can simply reinstall it and it will work again.
[10:42] <yossarianuk> well I have used kdm for nearly 10 years...
[10:43] <yossarianuk> kdm seems easier to theme.
[10:43] <noaXess> lordievader: you mean on upgrade 12.04 to 12.10 kdm was removed and lightdm set as defaut?
[10:43] <slacking_rich> lordievader: No audio in kde, also the devices were not showing in phonon
[10:43] <noaXess> can that cause xorg cpu usage?
[10:43] <slacking_rich> lordievader: But running 'start-pulseaudio-kde' seems to have fixed it.
[10:44] <lordievader> noaXess: In my upgraded kdm wasn't removed, just got corrupted...
[10:44] <noaXess> on a fresch 12.10 install, which is the default dm on kubuntu?
[10:45] <lordievader> noaXess: Ligtdm, for your xorg problem check the logs, they might give you a hint.
[10:46] <noaXess> lordievader: ok... lunch first ;).. bbs
[10:51] <slacking_rich> yossarianuk, lordievader: Thanks for the help both, going to get back to work now its fixed:)
[11:46] <devin_> has anyone here messed with PlayOnLinux
[11:46] <devin_> ?
[12:00] <invariant> devin_, yes
[12:01] <invariant> devin_, it's a good idea, but the scripts are generally bad.
[12:01] <invariant> devin_, I have not ever been able to use it for anything.
[12:01] <invariant> devin_, that is, I wanted to try it on some applications that I had configured by hand in a new profile, but they didn't work, and as such I strongly recommend you to understand how wine works yourself.
[12:02] <invariant> Is 4.9.3 going to work on 12.04?
[12:03] <devin_> dont know im using 12.10 and im not real solid on the whole wine concept yet
[12:03] <invariant> devin_, if your time is worth a lot to you, you should just use a separate Windows machine.
[12:04] <invariant> devin_,  that said, I find wine to be a useful program, as opposed to PlayOnLinux.
[12:04] <devin_> lol, no i like to learn alos im holding a grudge against msoft atm
[12:05] <invariant> devin_, you should use it because it is better for your purposes, not for phych. reasons.
[12:05] <invariant> pscy. *
[12:08] <devin_> for the reasons of one OS simplicity, and not having to deal with ridiculous licensing/warranty rules and bad customer support? certainly
[12:09] <yossarianuk> However its best not to fund a patent troll which in turn funds legal attacks against computing for mankind
[12:09] <yossarianuk> especially as tax payers are *forced* to fund microsoft through taxes
[12:09] <devin_> YES THAT! THANKYOU
[12:10] <yossarianuk> schools, hopitals m etc all use windows paid for by the tax payer - there is no reason at all that the police 'needs' windows.
[12:12] <amichair> Hi, is there a list of temp/cache folders that can be safely erased if necessary, or excluded from backup? i.e. ~/.cache, ~/.kde/cache*, ~/.thumbnails, etc.?
[12:13] <devin_> except that its a universal system that every one already knows, apple is slowly breaking that wall down though
[12:16] <bartson> hi, can somebody pls tell me where to find the temp files of flash player. used to be in /tmp but it's not there anymore.
[12:22] <yossarianuk> bartson  usually there are in ~/.macomedia
[12:22] <yossarianuk> ~/.adobe
[12:25] <hydron> once I installed the dropbox plugin for dolphin, I tried It, but didn't work, so I uninstalled It, but the dropbox entry in the right click menu is still apearing, how to get ride of It ?
[12:26] <bartson> thx yoss
[12:27] <yossarianuk> hydron: the menu might be stored in ~/.kde/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus
[12:27] <yossarianuk> you could re-install it then
[12:27] <yossarianuk> apt-get --purge remove it
[12:27] <hydron> remove what ?
[12:27] <hydron> dolphin ?
[12:28] <Peace-> bartson: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/flash-video-chromium-where-does-chromium-save-flash-videos/
[12:29] <bartson> thank u Peace though i'm using firefox
[12:29] <Peace-> bartson: just use download helper to download flash videos
[12:29] <Peace-> bartson: addons
[12:31] <Peace-> bartson: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopd21071.png
[12:31] <devin_> well wait a sec if its firefox then heres something,http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/saving-flash-videos-in-linux-tmp-no-longer-works
[12:32] <devin_> but i thought that problem was already solved
[12:32] <hydron> yossarianuk: you didn't tell me what to remove
[12:33] <Peace-> on firefox you need to find out the flash file somewhere  i mean is hard devin_
[12:33] <bartson> well thx but that post is really old
[12:33] <Peace-> devin_: with download helper it's trivial to save flash
[12:33] <devin_> oh ok
[12:33] <Peace-> you can even convert files into mp3
[12:34] <Peace-> if you have ffmpeg installed properly
[12:34] <bartson> ja i know
[12:34] <devin_> yeah i used something like that on win xp before
[12:34] <bartson> but it's not exactly what i'm lookin for
[12:35] <bartson> would be nice if all my stream still would be in the /tmp folder
[12:36] <devin_> do yall someone would use a WINEPREFIX rather than install a wine program straight to my drive_c directory
[12:37] <Peace-> bartson: it's the same right now but it's harder to find it
[12:38] <bartson> why still using Windows devin?
[12:39] <Peace-> find .mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache -type f -exec file {} \;  | grep Flash
[12:39] <Peace-> bartson:
[12:39] <ozzzy> windows works AND is supports hardware I need AND has software that linux doesn't
[12:39] <devin_> i was up until they screwed me a few weeks ago before that i switched back and forth
[12:39] <ozzzy> but... as I don't need either on my desktop that's where linux lies
[12:40] <amichair> Hi, is there a list of temp/cache folders that can be safely erased if necessary, or excluded from backup? I found ~/.cache, ~/.kde/cache*, ~/.thumbnails, ~/.local/share/Trash, but there are probably more...
[12:40] <devin_> i think its still an interesting system from a technical perspective
[12:41] <bartson> what is it specific what brings u back to windows?
[12:41] <yossarianuk> hydron - sorry never used dropbox...
[12:41] <yossarianuk> assuming you installed a debfile
[12:42] <Peace-> amichair: cache is cache so the datas in those folders will be erased sometime
[12:42] <yossarianuk> (or via apt)
[12:42] <yossarianuk> try to find out package name with
[12:42] <yossarianuk> dpkg -l | grep -i dropbox
[12:42] <Peace-> you need to install kfiledrop
[12:42] <Peace-> to use dropbox on kde
[12:43] <hydron> thank you
[12:43] <amichair> Peace-: they should be, but not necessarily when u need the disk space, or when it wastes resources when traversing the filesystem for other reasons, or taking up many GBs of backup capacity unnecessarily...
[12:43] <hydron> the plugin doesn't aprear as a package
[12:43] <Peace-> hydron: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/how-to-use-dropbox-and-kde-or-kubuntu/
[12:43] <bartson> devin?
[12:43] <Peace-> hydron: for the service menu i wil help you after
[12:43] <Peace-> i guess i did a version that should work
[12:44] <hydron> ok, thank you very much Peace :)
[12:44] <devin_> well its so widespread that it easily works with almost anything
[12:45] <devin_> but its seriously lacking on open source
[12:46] <devin_> and linux is easier to optimise to my specific wants thats why i switched
[12:47] <devin_> have yall heard of reactOS
[12:47] <Peace-> hydron: to use the service menu try this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4127065/DropboxServiceMenu-0.16.1_peace.tar.gz
[12:47] <Peace-> it's a version i fixed it should work correctly
[12:48] <hydron> how to install it please ?
[12:48] <hydron> as a plugin for dolphin ?
[12:48] <Peace-> untar it
[12:49] <Peace-> hydron: then there is a script that install it
[12:49] <hydron> ok, I see It :)
[12:49] <Peace-> so from konsole ./installer-name
[12:50] <hydron> so, what comes after running the script ?
[12:51] <bartson> yes, ReactOS supossed to be a windows clone
[12:51] <Peace-> hydron: have you read my post ?
[12:51] <Peace-> hydron: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/how-to-use-dropbox-and-kde-or-kubuntu/
[12:51] <bartson> but personally I think it's never getting finished
[12:52] <devin_> not a clone necessarily, wouldnt a clone have to be a specific version of windows
[12:53] <hydron> I think I need to install kfilebox :)
[12:53] <devin_> yeah maybe how long does an apha stage normally take
[12:53] <bartson> definitely no! Linux for example is a Unix clone
[12:54] <bartson> there's no orig. unix code in linux
[12:54] <devin_> i see your point
[12:55] <bartson> i tried reactos over two years ago
[12:55] <Peace-> hydron: btw i need to test the service menu users has said there is a problem
[12:55] <bartson> seems nothing developed further till now
[12:56] <hydron> I'm installing kfilebox now
[12:57] <devin_> me too the blog still looks active though
[12:58] <devin_> i wonder whats going on
[12:58] <bartson> but i can't see a point for ReactOS anyway
[12:58] <ozzzy> no kfilebox package here
[12:58] <ozzzy> but... dropbox works without it
[12:58] <bartson> it's as useless as KDE on Windows
[12:58] <bartson> no Point at all
[13:01] <devin_> haha the point is for people like me who think software should be open source as much as practicle so other people can make it better
[13:02] <bartson> sure, in Kubuntu u got it all
[13:02] <bartson> no need for an old fashione windows clone
[13:03] <devin_> thats why i use kubuntu but not everyone has heard the gospel yet
[13:03] <devin_> espescially software publishers
[13:03] <Peace-> guys for chat there is #kubuntu-offtopic tx
[13:04] <devin_> k
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:04] <bartson> come on it's quiet here anyways
[13:05] <Peace-> bartson: this is support man , you can talk better on the offtopic room
[13:07] <bartson> yea u right
[13:09] <bartson> Peace: Are  u a official support team? or ur just a nice guy to help ppl?
[13:09] <bartson> just don know how this works here exactly??
[13:09] <Peace-> bartson: i am here since 4\5 years
[13:10] <Peace-> and yea i know how her it works
[13:10] <bartson> but i mean is this ur freetime here?
[13:10] <Peace-> well right now i am working
[13:10] <Peace-> xD
[13:11] <bartson> admin?
[13:11] <Peace-> sure
[13:23] <Peace-> hydron: i have tested my version and it works
[13:38] <cubbybear> hi all just installed 12.10 and I am trying to install my Brother MFC j835dw printer. I installed the print driver but could not install the cupswarapper due to cannot fill dependencies. Can someone help get this running
[13:40] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, have you updated/upgraded since your install ?
[13:41] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: I updated the system after the install an before I attempted to get printer running
[13:42] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, also run , dist-upgrade
[13:42] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: ok
[13:43] <BluesKaj> there was a cups ugrade a few days ago
[13:44] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: I am geting comand not found error
[13:46] <Peace-> cubbybear: wait can you install and managet your printer here ? http://localhost:631/printers
[13:46] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update:sudo apt-get upgrade , then , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:55] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: Same problem Printer apperas in list of printers, but the print driver does not apperar in the list of drivers
[13:56] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: did the upgrade thing and tried the localhost thing
[13:57] <Peace-> cubbybear: try to install your printer from here http://localhost:631/printers
[13:57] <Peace-> cubbybear: remove teh printer then you reinstall always from http://localhost:631/printers
[13:58] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: tried that the same thing the printer is seen but the printdriver does not appear in the list of print drivers
[13:59] <Peace-> sorry dunno
[13:59] <Peace-> bye
[13:59] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, have you tried this site for the driver , you might need it , http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
[14:01] <cubbybear> That is where I got the driver and the cupswrapper and I followed their printed instruction to install including following the prerequists
[14:04] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, right , then their driver is probly not up to date , that's all I can think of atm
[14:05] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: thanks I am going to try a shutdown and restart that is the last thing I can think of
[15:05] <AMDAthlon> will kubuntu get kde 4.9.3?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> amd it's already in the kubuntu- ppa
[15:07] <BluesKaj> AMDAthlon,^
[15:08] <AMDAthlon> oh
[15:08] <AMDAthlon> will it make its way into 12.10 outside of PPA?
[15:08] <AMDAthlon> ether way thanks!
[15:08] <BluesKaj> eventually ..probly soon
[15:09] <AMDAthlon> thanks man! g2g
[15:22] <onitg> Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported.
[15:55] <rijack> if i has NAS with music can amorok set that as a default library or sync source
[15:56] <DarthFrog> rijack: Is it an NFS mount?
[15:57] <ozzzy> so... how do I get kubuntu to let me at the it87 sensors
[15:58] <rijack> i think it defaulted to samba i not real knowledgable about nas and harddrive doesnt like anything but ntfs. somehow Kubuntu still reads and writes to it fine
[15:59] <DarthFrog> rijack: When you say Kubuntu reads/writes to it, specifically what is it reading/writing to?  To a mounted filesystem?
[16:02] <rijack> to the drive it doesnt show up as mounted unless i plug it into the usb but the system will R/W whether it usb or network
[16:04] <DarthFrog> Well, if you have it as a mounted filesystem, yes you can set Amarok to use it.
[16:06] <andycheng> hhi
[16:10] <rijack> ok how do set it up right now it says it needs a smb protocol source plugin and cant find it. also can it be set up as part of the local collection so i dont have to navigate to it
[16:12] <BluesKaj> rijack, does the drive show in places in dolphin
[16:12] <na-utusan> when is 4.9.3 coming to 12.04 LTS ?
[16:14] <rijack> well indirectly yes, ill get the path just a sec
[16:15] <keithzg> So, I notice there isn't any plasma-active package for ARM in the Ubuntu repos, at least as far as packages.ubuntu.com is concerned. I'd love to try out Plasma Active on a Nexus 7, however; are there any built packages somewhere?
[16:16] <rijack> network / Samba Shares/ Workgroup/ Router(Belkin Router)/ Drive(A1)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> rijack , it's connected to the router by usb , that's a different story
[16:20] <rijack> uh oh will it still work
[16:21] <BluesKaj> rijack, if the router is NTFS then connecting it to a pc would be simpler , just set up the drive to share with other pcs
[16:21] <Bladesfist1> Hmm, come on here to report my issue and it disappears, I am watching you desura.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> not the router sorry i meant to say "drive "
[16:23] <BluesKaj> rijack, ^
[16:24] <BluesKaj> ok let's clear this up rijack , to what is the drive connected ?
[16:27] <rijack> the router via USB
[16:27] <rijack> if i navigate thru places and click a song
[16:27] <BluesKaj> rijack, one question , why to the router ?
[16:28] <rijack> vlc will play it
[16:28] <rijack> i Want multiple computers to access it
[16:29] <rijack> but amarok say it needs some other plugin
[16:30] <rijack> i would rather use amorok cause i like the interface better
[16:30] <BluesKaj> ok , always on , but a pc connection with share permissions works as well
[16:30] <BluesKaj> which plugin rijack
[16:31] <rijack> hold on
[16:31] <rijack> SMB protocol source
[16:31] <rijack> when it searches for this it can never find it
[16:34] <BluesKaj> rijack, in amarok plugins , check SMB (Windows) share backend
[16:36] <BluesKaj> amarok>settings>configure amarok>plugins
[16:36] <rijack> iits checked
[16:40] <noaXess> still have issues with xorg cpu usage if desktop effects are enabled.. logfile Xorg.0.log does not show any specials
[16:40] <noaXess> does a switch from lightdm to kdm be a solution?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> I wish i could recreate your issue , but my router doesn't have usb , i just leave my external drive connected to my always on pc
[16:41] <BluesKaj> rijack,^
[17:01] <onitg> Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported. (it usually corrupts the graphics after a while)
[17:03] <BluesKaj> onitg, what's the advantage of the newer kmix over the present one ?
[17:03] <onitg> when an application (any application) plays a sound
[17:03] <onitg> the whole system tray flickers and bounces around
[17:03] <onitg> it usually end up full of artifacts
[17:04] <BluesKaj> hmm on 12.10 ?
[17:04] <onitg> it's the same bug i've linked
[17:04] <onitg> if i completely close kmix the bug doesn't happen
[17:04] <onitg> yeah i'm using the latest release, with all the updates applied
[17:05] <onitg> i have to remove it because each time i receive an IM (sound notification) play a video or some music the system tray starts to bounce around until it corrupts the graphics
[17:05] <onitg> even with flash player on web pages
[17:06] <BluesKaj> onitg, I haven't experienced that ,... could it be the desktop theme perhaps ?
[17:06] <onitg> i don't know, it's the same bug that is reported to the page i've linked
[17:06] <onitg> if i remove kmix everything works fine
[17:07] <onitg> i can try to change theme
[17:07] <onitg> but i didn't install any, i'm using the one provided with kubuntu
[17:08] <onitg> ok i tried with other themes from the default installation and the problem persists
[17:09] <onitg> so i can either update kmix from somewhere else, or try to revert back to the previous kubuntu version
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ...BBL
[17:15] <onitg> BluesKaj: see you later
[17:21] <xwalk> I just finished up this function to find the mean, median, mode or range of a series of numbers. I think the code that handles the statistics is okay, but I'm not sure on how to go about error checking (if the user tries to send a list of strings as an argument, which wouldn't be supported by the first and last if statements in the function) or if it would even be warranted as I know nothing about error checking in code. Can someone take
[17:21] <xwalk>  a look?  http://bpaste.net/show/9M7gPfuBRxCHC9uJquIr/
[17:24] <tsimpson> xwalk: #python would be a better place to ask
[17:24] <xwalk> *facepalm extreme mode*
[17:24] <xwalk> Wrong channel tab...
[17:24] <Pici> .39
[17:24] <Pici> oops
[17:38] <BluesKaj> rijack, let's discuss the issue here , rather than in offtopic
[17:38] <rijack> oh oops
[17:39] <BluesKaj> prtscn
[17:39] <rijack> terminal command?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> on your keyboard, it's beside f12 on mine
[17:40] <BluesKaj> so you've decided to remain connected to the router ?
[17:42] <rijack> yes ithink this is a fixable issue because i can navigate throught places to the drive double click on a song and it plays
[17:43] <rijack> but that same error come and its not until i click cancel that the sooong stops
[17:44] <BluesKaj> rijack, you can do that when connected to on any linux pc , and if the drive uses ntfs then any windows pc as well
[17:45] <BluesKaj> I find samba unreliable
[17:46] <rijack> k so why is it aproblem to do it through the media player
[17:46] <rijack> what is the dif between smb and what i just did
[17:49] <BluesKaj> it's not the media player , it's the connection to the router that can cause problems , connecting it to apc that's always on is more reliable
[17:50] <BluesKaj> no smb or samba needed
[17:56] <rijack> is there a place where i can read more about this
[17:56] <BluesKaj> a router connection sounds more direct but it's not due to the network/router protocol required by such a connection, unless you have router access thru it's webpage and options settings , but not all routers are that configurable
[17:56] <Peace-> rijack: what's the problem samba again ?
[17:57] <rijack> cause i dont know anything about routers
[18:00] <rijack> trying to stream direct from hard drive thru usb@router to amarok
[18:00] <Peace-> rijack: ah amarok
[18:00] <Peace-> i guess there was a problem with that
[18:00] <Peace-> and there is the wiki
[18:00] <Peace-> let me try to find out
[18:01] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=155117&file1=155117-1.jpeg&file2=&file3=&name=Dark+Rock+Solid++Nowardev
[18:01] <Peace-> rijack: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Samba
[18:03] <rijack> thankyou i will at it
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Peace-, he wants the drive connected to his router
[18:04] <rijack> is smb.conf of interest to me on this
[18:05] <Peace-> BluesKaj: ok but there is a computer right ? or not?
[18:05] <Peace-> BluesKaj: or it's a special device?
[18:05] <rijack> there is a computer at the client not the server
[18:07] <rijack> the server is integrated into the router, its a belkin n750db
[18:07] <kunal> hii
[18:08] <rijack> it seem to have a reasonable powerful firmware so it looks like imight be learning router scripting soon
[18:18] <BluesKaj> rijack, you may not need to do any scripting , just find the router assigned IP of the drive the routers internal webpage networking options or some such and use the IP with the "add network folder" in dolphin /network
[18:19] <rijack> alright let me see what i can find
[18:20] <BluesKaj> bbiab ...going to check mail/postbox
[18:26] <rijack> well i know the router is unix based now
[18:29] <rijack> this is what the router calls it     /tmp/sda1 : /mnt/shared/Drive(A1)
[18:30] <BluesKaj> rijack, no IP ?
[18:31] <rijack> i couldnt find one but i did find an option to create a virtual server
[18:32] <rijack> i could send prtscrn if i figure out how to upload images\
[18:33] <DarthFrog> !imagebin | rijack
[18:34] <BluesKaj> rijack, well , I'm not familiar with the router but any pcs or devices connected usually have an IP address assigned in the "connected devices " list or page
[18:35] <genii-around> Well, I just got here so not sure what came before. But some of them use only command-line interface like Juniper
[18:36] <rijack> i understand but this one only ounted it as sda1
[18:36] <rijack> i was looking at the log when i plugged it in
[18:36] <rijack> then i went to the dhcp list and nothing
[18:44] <ozzzy> what are the consequences of turning acpi off
[18:49] <BluesKaj> ozzzy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2075434
[18:52] <ozzzy> I used to be able to set acp_enforce_resources to lax and have my fans show up... doesn't work now
[19:15] <onitg> Hey guys, i was wondering if there was a supported way to install a more recent version of kmix (due to the following bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045). someone told me to try to use the kubuntu ppa and see if there's a more up to date version of it (is it the launchpad page?) but i don't know how much is officially supported. (it usually corrupts the graphics after a while)
[19:20] <Peace-> onitg: just install veromix ?
[19:21] <onitg> Peace-: that's far from being a fix (the bug is still there) but if it provides the same functionality i guess i can try it out
[19:22] <Peace-> onitg: sudo apt-get install plasma-wdiget-veromix
[19:25] <onitg> Peace-: it's not so nice but i guess i can use it for now
[19:26] <onitg> i can keep kmix closed so that it stops corrupting the system tray
[19:27] <onitg> Peace-: how am i supposed to report this kind of bug? it's not something that needs to be fixed, updating the package would work
[19:27] <Peace-> onitg: ubuntu-bug i guess
[19:29] <yofel> onitg: for that one would need the actual fix first. Putting kmix 4.10 together with kde 4.9 is out of question. And 91495f is only a doc fix, not the fix for that bug
[19:30] <onitg> yofel: maybe that specific revision is just the one the tested the issue with. the fix is between the revision used by kubuntu and the one reported to be working
[19:31] <yofel> right, except that the diff between the 4.9 branch and master is 8752 lines long
[19:31] <onitg> yofel: does this mean i will have to keep kmix broken until a new kubuntu version is released?
[19:31] <yofel> so unless a kmix dev points out when that was fixed it's unlikely to be fixed in kubuntu
[19:32] <yofel> the ideal workflow would be to get this fixed upstream for 4.9.4
[19:32] <Peace-> onitg: btw veromix is a very good mixer
[19:32] <Peace-> i prefer it because you can even equalize the ooutput
[19:33] <aleth> Anyone know how to reset the settings of oxygen-gtk?
[19:33] <onitg> yofel: would installing kmix 4.10 give problems to my kde 4.9?
[19:33] <aleth> (and the KDE config files so that it is used)
[19:34] <onitg> Peace-: yeah i'm not telling that it's bad, maybe i'm just too much used to kmix
[19:34] <Peace-> onitg: :) give it a try
[19:34] <onitg> it's just a pity that such an important program of the KDE desktop is broken :(
[19:34] <yofel> aleth: gtk2: ~/.gtkrc-2.0, gtk3: ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[19:35] <FlyingElvis> is there a money management for kde?
[19:35] <FlyingElvis> program*
[19:35] <yofel> FlyingElvis: there's kmymoney
[19:35]  * yofel hasn't tried it
[19:35] <FlyingElvis> ok   ill go look for it  ty
[19:36] <yofel> onitg: you're free to try if you know how to build and install it
[19:36] <aleth> yofel: thanks. I've reset both, as far as I can tell. But the tabbar background and some widgets are still not styled properly
[19:36] <yofel> hm, dunno then, that should be all of the settings
[19:37] <onitg> i could try to revert back to the previous version of kubuntu or format the hard drive
[19:37] <yofel> I think trying veromix would be easier for now ^^
[19:37] <onitg> yofel: i'm just scared about this thing, it's not the first time i had bugs
[19:38] <Peace-> aleth:  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopcz2652.png
[19:38] <onitg> the first time i had some, i tried to report them and had email notifications for months
[19:38] <onitg> and the bugs were still there
[19:38] <onitg> for example, the time server sync setting in the date and time panel is not working
[19:39] <onitg> and it's been like that forever (it crashes the settings panel if you try to apply the settings a couple of times - and never works for me)
[19:39] <aleth> Peace-: Those are empty for me (apart from a "created by KDE" comment). What should they be?
[19:40] <FlyingElvis> ty yofel kmymoney was exactly what i was looking for :)
[19:40] <Peace-> aleth: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopOg2652.png
[19:41] <aleth> Peace-: ah, that could be the problem then, thanks!
[20:40] <invariant> How do I know how my keyboard layout is named in KDE?
[20:42] <Walex> invariant: not so easy. There are sites with photos of keyboards and names of layouts.
[20:42] <Walex> invariant: or you can use 'xkeycaps' which has a lot of builting layouts to check out
[20:51] <invariant> Walex, I know the layout now, but where can I configure that exactly?
[20:55] <Walex> with kxkb
[20:56] <Walex> which is the GUI for the XKB subsystem (command line 'xkeymap' etc.)
[20:56] <Walex> System settings->Hardware->keyboard Advanced tab
[20:57] <Walex> oops Layout tab
[20:57] <Walex> oops agian ;Hardware:keyboard model
[20:58] <rijack> hopefully this will be an easy one. is there a way i can add parameter befor starting a program under wine
[20:58] <rijack> *parameters before
[20:59] <Walex> rijack: there is a WINE specific channell
[21:00] <rijack> there is? is there a directory for all these channels somewhere
[21:00] <rijack> it'd be really helpful
[21:01] <invariant> Walex, that only lists US or US alternative.
[21:01] <invariant> Walex, it doesn't say how those look like.
[21:01] <Walex> invariant: you can add new layouts
[21:02] <Walex> invariant: that's why you use some other program or photos to figure out the layout. Or you try a few
[21:03] <invariant> Too bad that the keyboards themselves don't just report the geometry of all the keys to the driver.
[21:03] <Walex> invariant: also note the 'Hardware>keyboard model selector' for the physiucal layout
[21:03] <invariant> This is just a failure in computer hardware design.
[21:03] <Walex> invariant: it would be moderately difficult, and it was too difficult to do in the original PC technology.
[21:04] <invariant> Walex, sure, but burning history wouldn't be a bad thing.
[21:04] <Walex> invariant: the difficulty with burning history is that history means "standard" which means interoperability
[21:06] <invariant> Walex, in that case a single company should just replace everything.
[21:07] <invariant> Like Apple.
[21:08] <Walex> invariant: that is what created the original PC standard. Then IBM sort of lost interest and this created a uinified standard which was in effect not proprietary
[21:08] <Walex> also Apple's strategy is not to create flexible standards, but to the create prebuilt configurations with very few choices.
[21:08] <invariant> Yeah, I suppose there is still a 500billion dollar niche.
[21:09] <invariant> Except most people don't know they want freedom.
[21:09] <invariant> Problem with some of this open-source software is that it marketed as a replacement, which it isn't.
[21:09] <invariant> E.g. Excel has no viable replacement.
[21:10] <invariant> That is, when you get a random Excel document and want to print it, it's simply not going to work properly.
[21:10] <Walex> invariant: that's a clone, not an equivalent.
[21:11] <invariant> Walex, no, a clone has the same GUI too.
[21:11] <invariant> Walex, it's an equivalent which happens to be compatible too.
[21:12] <genii-around> If these are not tech support issues relating to Kubuntu, may be better discussed in #kubuntu-offtopic instead :-)
[21:12] <invariant> The best solution would be to create standards for these types of documents.
[21:13] <invariant> It's not actually one of my problems directly. It's just that some people complain about it in my surroundings.
[21:13] <invariant> Regarding Kubuntu, will 4.9.3. be released for 12.04?
[21:14] <genii-around> Yes. From the -devel channel, earlier: <shadeslayer> yofel_: from the looks of it, 4.9.3 for precise is still building : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=pending
[21:15] <yofel> it's done building and shadeslayer said it works for him, I'll publish it in a bit
[21:15] <invariant> Just to be sure: 4.9.3 fixes more problems than it creates, right?
[21:15] <yofel> that's the plan...
[21:22] <Walex> I have 4.8.5 on KU 12.04 and it is from the Kubuntu PPA. Is that the latest "stable"?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> 12.04 is LTS , hence the older but more stable KDE
[21:25] <Walex> but that's the Kubuntu PPA, and the 4.9.3 above is mentioned for 12.04 too
[21:26] <yofel> That's a backport, you can install it if you want, but 4.8 is generally more tested
[21:26] <BluesKaj> Walex, your package manager has a setting that you must change in order to receive ppa packages
[21:28] <Walex> I use Aptitude usually and I got "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu precise main" in '/etc/apt/sources.list'. But I'll double check
[21:28] <yofel> 4.9 is in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:29] <invariant> 4.9.3 is not yet on backports
[21:29] <invariant> 4.9.2 is.
[21:31] <Walex> ahhh I guess the difference is between '/kubuntu-ppa/backports/' and '/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/' just checked in a browser and they are both there.
[21:31] <BluesKaj> 4.9.3 is in the kubuntu-ppa for 12.10
[21:31] <deadsoul> If I mount smb folder, it creates .gvfs folder followed by the name of hostname-folder... does kde do the same? and where is that folder ?
[21:31] <BluesKaj> you can check if it's ac=vailable for 12.04
[21:33] <deadsoul> wher does kubuntu store the mounted smb-folders ?
[21:33] <deadsoul> where *
[21:35] <yofel> invariant: it'll be there in a few minutes
[21:38] <deadsoul> hello
[21:38] <BluesKaj> Walex, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=quantal
[21:39] <Walex> thanks!
[21:39] <yofel> Walex: and for 12.04 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.series_filter=precise&batch=200
[21:44] <Tm_T> deadsoul: hmm, what you mean by mounted smb folders?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> deadsoul, dolphin/places/network
[21:45] <Walex> yofel: thanks too
[21:47] <deadsoul> Tm_T: on gnome if you open smb://some-ip/foler it will mount that folder in .gvfs directory... what about kde.. if you go to dolphin > network > samba shares > workgrounp > name-of-machine > some-folder
[21:47] <deadsoul> where does it mount that folder to ?
[21:48] <Tm_T> deadsoul: AFAIK in KDE it doesn't get mounted
[21:49] <deadsoul> Tm_T: Aww,
[21:49] <Tm_T> KDE's smarter (;
[21:50] <Walex> deadsoul: if something is mounted you will see where in Dolphin's 'Places'
[21:51] <Walex> deadsoul: as <Tm_T> hints, KDE has a more comprehensive "virtual mount" by which KDE programs can access stuff that is not mounted, e.g. FTP sites, web folders/DAV folders, etc.
[21:51] <deadsoul> Tm_T: tha means i will have to mount it manually if i want to use diff app for example
[21:51] <Tm_T> deadsoul: if you want to use non-KDE app, yes
[21:52] <Walex> deadsoul: but you can use KDE to mount it.
[21:53] <deadsoul> Tm_T: is kdiff a KDE app?
[21:53] <deadsoul> Walex: how?
[21:53] <Tm_T> deadsoul: it is
[21:56] <deadsoul> amm, yesterday i tried to play a movie from my network-folder using smplayer.. and i had to wait till kde download the whole movie-file in /tmp/ ... why is that ? can't it just play it over the network ?
[22:04] <BluesKaj> deadsoul, try vlc or dragonplayer ..smplayer was always abit buggy IME
[22:05] <BluesKaj> mplayer guis all seem halfbaked to me
[22:18] <deadsoul> BluesKaj: thanks, I'll try vlc
[22:25] <Walex> kaffeine, kmplayer, kplayer
[22:25] <Walex> actually not kmplayer: it is just a frontend for mplayer, and mplayer is not integrated with the KDE libraries
[23:13] <xixor> lol, sup