[00:05] <anthony> Bonsoir. J'ai installé Lubuntu 12.04 et je n'ai pas l'icône du contrôle du volume. Est-ce normal ?
[00:05] <anthony> Et je n'entends rien
[00:07] <Unit193> !fr
[00:07] <anthony> Thanks :D
[00:17] <IdleOne> Unit193: he installed Lubuntu but has no volume icon
[00:18] <Unit193> IdleOne: Alright, French channel will still be more helpful.
[00:18] <IdleOne> Unit193: probably right :)
[01:00] <sjwro> hello. i am trying to install a package (mintconstructor) as seen here: http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mintconstructor.
[01:00] <sjwro> and...
[01:01] <sjwro> it's on lubuntu 12.10, using chromium. the link is apt://mintconstructor. when i click on it, i get a new blank chromium window.
[01:01] <sjwro> i have tried to install software-center (USC), and i get the same result.
[01:01] <sjwro> how can i download and install this package?
[01:03] <Unit193> It's because that is a mint package, it isn't in the Ubuntu repos.
[01:04] <sjwro> is it possible to shrink a mint iso in ubuntu, or am i just going to have to get a dvd disc?
[01:15] <sjwro> from preliminary googling it looks like it's not possible. could i just get an older version of mint that is on cd, then download a newer mint on DVD and trim the ISO from there?
[01:16] <sjwro> (on cd = 600MB, on dvd = 800MB)
[01:17] <Unit193> Pretty sure you should be asking the mint channel...
[01:18] <Unit193> !mint
[01:19] <Unit193> (Though, could unsquash the fs and resquash with xz compression)
[03:31] <ryan_> has anyone here used the linux steam beta client on lubuntu?
[03:31] <Combat_Wombat> wish i was in the beta :(
[03:32] <Combat_Wombat> id imagine it would work though
[03:35] <ryan_> combat_wombat checkout omgbuntu! website they have the link to dl the steam.deb file
[03:35] <ryan_> or if you want i can send it to you
[03:35] <Combat_Wombat> naw i can find it thanks for the tip
[03:36] <ryan_> np
[03:36] <ryan_> im hoping i can get it to work
[03:36] <ryan_> i got too frustrated trying to get sound to work on a minimal ubuntu openbox install i was doing
[03:36] <ryan_> waved the white flag and going to install lubuntu 12.04
[03:36] <ryan_> even though it doesnt have lts
[03:37] <ryan_> but it seems dist upgrade is pretty good either way so
[03:37] <Combat_Wombat> id use lubuntu for everything if i could and steam on linux may make it happen :)
[03:38] <ryan_> ya
[03:38] <ryan_> I just want to find a better task bar theme
[03:39] <ryan_> I wanted to use crunchbang but I couldnt try the linux steam client on it...and torchlight 2 on steam through wine didnt work which it did on ubuntu
[03:39] <ryan_> so does not having long term support really matter?
[03:39] <ryan_> to a degree? Is it easy to just upgrade the distro without losing what you installed?
[03:41] <Combat_Wombat> idk I always do a fresh install when i change versions
[03:41] <Combat_Wombat> hopefully someone else will chime in
[03:41] <holstein> i do because its faster
[03:42] <Unit193> Upgrades are faster for me.
[03:42] <holstein> Unit193: you do it with a downloaded iso? as the source?
[03:42] <Unit193> holstein: Nope.
[03:44] <holstein> Unit193: how do you upgrade so quickly?
[03:45] <Unit193> Download speeds aren't so bad, but if you factor in configure and uninstall/install of personal packages...
[03:46] <ryan_> ya I did a dist upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 and even though it said partial it still fixed itself
[03:46] <ryan_> what about 12.04 not being long term support
[03:46] <ryan_> alot of people complain about that
[03:47] <ryan_> going to install statler openbox theme on lubuntu hopefully
[03:47] <holstein> Unit193: i should pay more attention to that detail, but still.. best case, i get an upgrade done in 5 hours
[03:47] <ryan_> ya its not too bad
[03:48] <ryan_> plus its nice you can still do work while its going
[03:48] <ryan_> depending on your system
[03:48] <holstein> ryan_: 12.04 is an LTS though... the kernel and the backbone ubuntu pacakges are lts
[03:49] <ryan_> definitely would like a darker theme
[03:49] <ryan_> is there anyway to hide the taskbar till you put your mouse down at the bottom?
[03:50] <Unit193> holstein: Pretty darn sure it doesn't take that long, though.
[03:50] <ryan_> I like having a very clean minimal desktop
[03:50] <ryan_> it can take a while though
[03:50] <ryan_> like maybe half the time
[03:50] <holstein> Unit193: how long does it take you? the downloads i mean..
[03:51] <holstein> it takes like 8 minutes to install
[03:51] <Unit193> Hrm, I don't remember, I'll tell you next April. :P
[03:51] <ryan_> ive really liked 12.04 of ubuntu overall
[03:52] <ryan_> so far the speed on lubuntu is nice
[03:52] <holstein> Unit193: lol.. i'll have to try another one and see.. it was an ubuntustudio one last i tested.. but still
[03:52] <holstein> ryan_: ubuntu says they provide lts on 12.04
[03:53] <holstein> it *is* lts.. lubuntu is not
[03:53] <Unit193> And that's the LXDE packages, sooo.
[03:53] <holstein> still, you can just install minimal ubuntu, and lxde and have ubuntu with lxde LTS
[03:53] <ryan_> right
[03:54] <ryan_> I just did lubuntu ill keep doing dist upgrade
[03:54] <holstein> the lubuntu team will not be fixing bugs that come in and backporting lubuntu specific stuff or whatever else
[03:54] <Unit193> LXDE will still not be updated.
[03:54] <ryan_> speaking of that anyone using 12.10?
[03:54] <holstein> i have a 12.10 install
[03:54] <ryan_> what you think so far?
[03:55] <holstein> the things that would be a security concern would be outside of lubuntu anyway
[03:55] <ryan_> ya im not too worried about it for the most part linux is really secured compared to M$
[03:55] <holstein> ryan_: its an ubuntustudio XFCE install.. very nice.. i think unity has some nice things in 12.10 worth upgrading
[03:55] <holstein> i'll run the 12.04 version
[03:56] <Unit193> 12.10 has some kinks, as is expected after an LTS.
[03:56] <ryan_> so far so good
[03:57] <ryan_> I just hope I have really good compatibility with playonlinux/wine
[03:57] <ryan_> ubuntu with unity worked great so hopefully this will be even better
[03:57] <Linux_Wombat> wooo
[03:57] <holstein> i dont use anything thats not native anymore... nothing about linux is keeping any games from running on it
[03:57] <Linux_Wombat> was kinda hopeful i could get it to work on my 64bit 12.10 install
[03:57] <Linux_Wombat> but thats a very no go :D
[03:58] <holstein> Linux_Wombat: it?
[03:58] <Linux_Wombat> steam
[03:58] <Linux_Wombat> im Combat_Wombat except on my linux box instead of my windows one
[03:58] <Linux_Wombat> hence the excitingly creative name change
[03:59] <ryan_> haha
[04:00] <ryan_> ok got nvidia proprietary drivers installed
[04:02] <Linux_Wombat> dont have it in me to reinstall on this box just got everything perfect so you will have to tell me all the fun and exciting stuff i am missing till they release a amd64 version
[04:03] <Linux_Wombat> please dont overflow and kick me....
[04:03] <Linux_Wombat> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of steam:
[04:03] <Linux_Wombat>  steam depends on libjpeg-turbo8.
[04:03] <Linux_Wombat>  steam depends on libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1).
[04:03] <Linux_Wombat>  steam depends on libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3).
[04:03] <Linux_Wombat>  steam depends on libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.24.4-1).
[04:03] <Linux_Wombat>  steam depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
[04:04] <ryan_> awww nooo
[04:04] <Combat_Wombat> oh well
[04:05] <Combat_Wombat> suffice to say there were alot of package issues
[04:10] <ryan_> im trying to install it now
[04:10] <ryan_> is lubuntu multiarch?
[04:11] <ryan_> cool this can work
[04:12] <ryan_> OMG its working...
[04:12] <Combat_Wombat> nice
[04:12] <ryan_> well its installed im trying to launch it for the first time taking for ever
[04:15] <ryan_> ugh something about a font issue and color
[04:26] <ryan_> ugh
[04:27] <Combat_Wombat> ?
[04:27] <ryan_> oh shit i got it going!
[04:27] <ryan_> steam is updating hell yes
[04:28] <Combat_Wombat> nice
[04:35] <ryan_> gonna get logged in soon
[04:37] <ryan_> damn it gotta install some bleeding edge drivers
[04:37] <ryan_> fun
[04:38] <ryan_> well crap i get in then kicked out
[04:38] <ryan_> grrr
[04:45] <ryan_> combat you got it working at all?
[04:45] <Combat_Wombat> no man i would need to install or livecd a 32-bit version
[04:45] <Combat_Wombat> dont have it in me tonight
[04:46] <ryan_> hmmm it installed fine for me just had to fix the font issue
[04:46] <Combat_Wombat> you're on 64-bit?
[04:46] <ryan_> check out jakejw93
[04:46] <ryan_> yep!
[04:47] <Combat_Wombat> hrm
[04:47] <ryan_> he has a youtube video on it
[04:47] <Combat_Wombat> watching now
[04:48] <Combat_Wombat> er nope that was a steam in wine video
[04:48] <ryan_> i got steam running!
[04:49] <Combat_Wombat> here we go
[04:49] <Combat_Wombat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19TzGmuo5Sg
[04:49] <ryan_> ya
[04:51] <ryan_> saweet big picture is working too
[04:52] <Combat_Wombat> heh ya thats not how the install goes for me :D
[04:54] <ryan_> installing world of goo demo
[04:55] <Combat_Wombat> heh the tv interface
[04:55] <Combat_Wombat> hadnt seen that before
[04:55] <Combat_Wombat> well if that isnt telling about where things are headed
[04:55] <ryan_> its awesome
[04:55] <Combat_Wombat> but yeah that video wasnt so helpful :D
[04:57] <ryan_> there is a link talking about how to fix your issue I think you had dependency problems right?
[04:58] <Combat_Wombat> ya
[04:59] <Combat_Wombat> oh didnt notice that just installing the i386 packages lets it work
[04:59] <Combat_Wombat> heh
[04:59] <Combat_Wombat> thanks im a moron
[05:01] <ryan_> well ya but you are running 64 bit too right?
[05:01] <ryan_> should be multiarch
[05:15] <Linux_Wombat> k
[05:15] <Linux_Wombat> cw@Streamer:~$ steam steam://open/games
[05:15] <Linux_Wombat> ILocalize::AddFile() failed to load file "public/steambootstrapper_english.txt".
[05:15] <Linux_Wombat> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[05:15] <Linux_Wombat>   Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)
[05:15] <Linux_Wombat>   Serial number of failed request:  12
[05:15] <Linux_Wombat>   Current serial number in output stream:  13
[05:17] <Linux_Wombat> seen that anywhere ryan_
[05:21] <ryan_> ya hangon ill tell you what to install
[05:21] <ryan_> sudo apt-get install xfonts-100dpi
[05:21] <ryan_> or before that try this
[05:21] <ryan_> wait!
[05:21] <ryan_> steam %u
[05:21] <ryan_> in terminal
[05:22] <ryan_> is it updating?
[05:23] <Linux_Wombat> hrm
[05:23] <Linux_Wombat> nope
[05:23] <Linux_Wombat> even installed that font package
[05:24] <ryan_> ya i typed steam %U in terminal
[05:24] <ryan_> and it started updating
[05:24] <ryan_> er Steam %U
[05:24] <ryan_> cap sensitive perhaps
[05:25] <Linux_Wombat> cw@Streamer:~$ steam %U
[05:25] <Linux_Wombat> ILocalize::AddFile() failed to load file "public/steambootstrapper_english.txt".
[05:25] <Linux_Wombat> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[05:25] <Linux_Wombat>   Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)
[05:25] <Linux_Wombat>   Serial number of failed request:  12
[05:25] <Linux_Wombat>   Current serial number in output stream:  13
[05:26] <Linux_Wombat> cw@Streamer:~$ Steam %u
[05:26] <Linux_Wombat> Steam: command not found
[05:26] <ryan_> and you just tried steam
[05:26] <ryan_> ?
[05:27] <Linux_Wombat> same thing
[05:28] <ryan_> hmmm not for sure why
[05:30] <ryan_> oh I did try it with sudo and let it update but didnt install it again
[05:31] <ryan_> then I re ran the steam command
[05:31] <ryan_> anyway I hope you get it going its pretty exciting
[05:31] <ryan_> I gotta finish my work and goto bed
[05:31] <ryan_> catch you all later!
[05:33] <Unit193> Linux_Wombat: Please do use pastebin.com
[05:33] <Linux_Wombat> if this was a happening channel i might
[05:34] <Linux_Wombat> but no one elseis talking
[05:34] <Linux_Wombat> so meh
[05:38] <Linux_Wombat> k if anyone else has my problem
[05:38] <Linux_Wombat> after you install the font package
[05:38] <Linux_Wombat> xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi
[05:38] <Linux_Wombat> because x is stupid
[05:39] <Linux_Wombat> and then it will work
[05:46] <bioterror> so
[05:47] <bioterror> steam was looking for experienced GNU/Linux users for their beta
[05:47] <bioterror> and are we now going to do the support? :D
[05:56] <Combat_Wombat> good idea who wants enthusiastic new users anyways
[05:56] <Combat_Wombat> let em rot
[08:10] <bigeyes0x0> Hi there
[08:11] <bigeyes0x0> I'm having a problem with extended dual desktop with lubuntu 12.04
[08:11] <bigeyes0x0> as the two monitors have different resolutions, a window that is maximized or move close to another monitor
[08:12] <bigeyes0x0> got displayed partially on the other monitor too
[08:12] <bigeyes0x0> anyone knows how to fix it
[08:12] <bigeyes0x0> ?
[08:12] <bigeyes0x0> I asked on lxde irc and they said to use a different window manager
[18:05] <gen> Hello there, i've got a question.
[18:05] <gen> I am running lubuntu 12.10 on an eeepc 1000h
[18:06] <gen> i am looking for a way to map the silver buttons (above the keyboard)
[18:07] <gen> I ran the command "showkey" and it showed the keycodes for the buttons
[18:07] <gen> but how do i map a command to these keycodes?
[18:08] <holstein> gen: have you tried any of the eee specific things? jupiter i think is one
[18:09] <gen> afaik jupiter only has the ability to change cpufreq
[18:09] <gen> on 10.04 i could use eee-control
[18:11] <gen> hmm you seem to be right about jupiter
[18:11] <gen> Thank You
[18:13] <holstein> gen: its worth a look.. there are other eee tools in the repos too iirc
[18:13] <holstein> i have a few eee's, and i dont map the keyboard like i used to back in 10.04
[18:14] <gen> had terminal and xbmc mapped on these
[18:15] <gen> wont miss this "feature" xD
[20:50] <natanb> Hi
[20:53] <natanb> i need help for lubuntu ppc in a iMac G4
[20:53] <natanb> were the right place?
[20:56] <genii-around> Probably :-)
[20:59] <kingfisher64> is there anyway in lubuntu to be able to take a snapshot of a windows 7 system?
[21:00] <holstein> kingfisher64: i would use clonezilla, or whatever commercial tool microsoft suggests
[21:00] <kingfisher64> does that support incremental backup holstein?
[21:00] <holstein> kingfisher64: lemme put it this way... there is nothing about linux or lubuntu preventing microsoft from allowing it to make a snapshot of it
[21:01] <holstein> kingfisher64: AFAIK, clonezilla doenot do that
[21:01] <holstein> kingfisher64: i would look at a tool like back in time for windows, if there is such a thing
[21:01] <kingfisher64> i thought it didn't. I remember reading something about it not being supported yet
[21:01] <holstein> kingfisher64: i dont think it will be supported.. its not really what clonezilla is about
[21:02] <holstein> its more for what you asked.. a snaptshot
[21:02] <holstein> snapshot*
[21:02] <kingfisher64> the system running lubuntu is basically a backup device. 2tb hd with 2gb memory. It's a desktop someone gave me.
[21:03] <holstein> http://www.bacula.org/en/
[21:03] <holstein> http://clonezilla.org/
[21:03] <holstein> http://www.altaro.com/home-pc-backup/time-machine-for-windows.php
[21:03] <kingfisher64> just tried freenas.org but it's not what i'm after
[21:04] <holstein> kingfisher64: free nas is a nas... a destination for the backups you are taking about making
[21:04] <kingfisher64> brilliant but not what i'm after
[21:04] <holstein> nas = network attached storage
[21:04] <holstein> you use backup software to backup to a nas if you want.. or an ssh share
[21:04] <kingfisher64> there's a zfs snapshot feature
[21:05] <kingfisher64> will try bacula
[21:05] <holstein> bacula is overkill for what you want
[21:05] <holstein> you can read about its features though and get a more educated sentence that encompasses what you seek
[21:06] <holstein> kingfisher64: i would take 30+ minutes and watch this http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/2649/linux-backup-roundup-the-linux-action-show-s13e04/
[21:07] <holstein> you are in fact not wanting a snapshot.. you are wanting encremental backups of a windows machine... the destination can be said linux box via ssh, samba, ftp.. etc
[21:07] <kingfisher64> i was curious if there was a tool within lubuntu which could basically read other network devices - in this case my laptop and create a snapshot of my laptop on lubuntu
[21:07] <holstein> kingfisher64: sure
[21:08] <holstein> kingfisher64: the question is, will windows support said tool?
[21:08] <holstein> we dont have a "backup your proprietary OS" button
[21:09] <holstein> and i dont use the term "proprietary" derogatorily.. its just that we are not always allowed the access it takes
[21:09] <kingfisher64> eventually i'll just give up windows (only use it now because of old creative suite apps i use) - not supported in wine
[21:09] <kingfisher64> prefer ubuntu
[21:10] <holstein> i would try ubuntustudio or AVlinux.. see what the tools are doing that you need
[21:10] <holstein> or use one of the tools above to backup, or one you learn about from that video i linked
[21:10] <kingfisher64> photoshop, illustrator, acrobat pro, livecycle designer
[21:10] <holstein> or, virtualize windows inside ubuntu.. thats an easy way to make snapshots
[21:12] <holstein> kingfisher64: sure, but those address workflows that can be addressed to some degree with open tools
[21:12] <holstein> i do audio production with FOSS tools on ubuntu and/or AVlinux
[21:13] <kingfisher64> gimp might replace photoshop but inkscape is horrible i'm afraid. It doesn't campare to illustrator. I use open source wherever I can - I think the quality in *nearly all cases is superior
[21:14] <holstein> i dont think its trying to compare to illustrator
[21:14] <kingfisher64> good job!!!
[21:14] <holstein> it actually has some great tutorials in the help menu
[21:14] <kingfisher64> i've bookmarked bacula as there might be a future use case schenario
[21:14] <holstein> kingfisher64: i find that i have no issues replacing tools for audio production
[21:15] <holstein> and quite the opposite now.. i cant replace the tools i use with closed alternatives
[21:15] <holstein> but, you can use whatever OS you want... and whatever software you like
[21:16] <kingfisher64> i use everything open source except the 4 apps I mentioned above. nxclient being my fav
[21:16] <holstein> kingfisher64: there is a nice subset of applications in the live D's ubuntustudio and avlinux
[21:16] <holstein> i think cmyk is what most folks miss
[21:17] <holstein> i think inkscape is brilliant
[21:17] <holstein> i know for me, it helped when i stopped expecting ardour to be protools, or cubase.. and i just started using the software
[21:18] <holstein> you might not be motivated to learn to switch.. or the tools may not have the workflow you prefer or the features you need..
[21:19] <kingfisher64> it's v buggy in my opinion unfortunately. The same with scribus in my experience. I'm not bothered about UI - that can be learnt or I could contribute to. It's the reliability issues.
[21:19] <kingfisher64> could be hardware support in scribus case
[21:19] <kingfisher64> eg, printer
[21:19] <holstein> kingfisher64: sure, but woudnt it be great if you used these applications? and filed bugs?
[21:19] <holstein> shared your concerns? helped with developement...
[21:20] <kingfisher64> bugs already filed.
[21:20] <holstein> i mean... im not saying you need to.. just that if we all did that, i think it would be noticable, and the quality would be better for all
[21:21] <holstein> kingfisher64: we are always looking for users in this demo for ubuntustudio.. for testing and development
[21:21] <kingfisher64> can't disagree. Your preaching to the converted. Just have a thing for photoshop
[21:22] <holstein> kingfisher64: sure, and you can have a thing for any of the software you choose.. im just offereing a scenario where you could help ubuntustudio attract user and developers to support your workflwo
[21:22] <holstein> flow*
[21:22] <holstein>  /j #ubuntustudio-devel sometime if you're interested
[21:22] <miquel_cc> Hi, Can anyone help me with this trouble?: I have a fresh install of lubuntu and  it freezes in the lightdm (welcome screen): keyboard and mouse doesn't responds for a minute o so. I searched on inet but I didn't found anything related. Can anyone help me? Or any clue what I must check? Thanks
[21:22] <holstein> im never sure if we need the tools or the users first.. but right now, we dont have users that even help us test these tools
[21:22] <kingfisher64> i'm looking now at http://ubuntustudio.org/
[21:23] <holstein> miquel_cc: i would try an older kernel if you just upgraded and it broke
[21:23] <holstein> !tty
[21:23] <holstein> ^^ try that miquel_cc .. to see if the machine is locked up or if its just the graphics not reponding
[21:24] <miquel_cc> holstein, i can't change the tty, the computer is complelty freezed
[21:24] <holstein> miquel_cc: then i would look at an earlier kernel
[21:24] <holstein> miquel_cc: i would look at any hardware changes..
[21:25] <kingfisher64> you seem v knowledgeable holstein - from that assertion you wouldn't happen to know of another open source app to http://www.red5.org/ would you? I'm looking for a quality replacement for commercial http://www.wowza.com/
[21:26] <miquel_cc> I had ubuntu 12.04 before without any trouble, I will try to downgrade the kernel
[21:26] <kingfisher64> will create a vm and try ubuntustudio though. sounds v good
[21:27] <miquel_cc> but if I wait patiently the minute, the system is working perfectlybut upon I waitted patienly this minute, the system is working perfectly
[21:27] <miquel_cc> (opps, sorry for the duplicate message)
[21:27] <holstein> miquel_cc: i would just try booting into an earlier one as a test
[21:27] <holstein> kingfisher64: what does it do?
[21:28] <holstein> i stream content via ssh or whatever
[21:28] <holstein> vlc is nice
[21:28] <miquel_cc> holstein, thank you . I will try the same kernel  i had in ubuntu 12.04. c u later.
[21:29] <kingfisher64> it enables a user to be able to record a video using their webcam to be saved into say a web signup profile
[21:29] <holstein> i would probably just stream the content.. but it depends on what you want, and how you want it to look, and what clients are expected
[21:29] <holstein> kingfisher64: vlc, cheese.. not sure what its supposed to look like though
[21:31] <holstein> the ubuntu installer offeres to take a picture... that could just as easily be video.. maybe ask them how that is implemented
[21:31] <kingfisher64> thanks for your help though holstein. Especially the ubuntustudio link
[21:31] <kingfisher64> downloading the iso now for that
[21:32] <holstein> kingfisher64: sure.. anytime!
[21:32] <kingfisher64> holstein++
[21:53] <Unit193> xnox: You online?
[21:54] <xnox> Unit193: yes.
[21:55] <Unit193> xnox: Wasn't sure if you got the ndis question answered yet.
[21:55] <xnox> Unit193: lubuntu dev merged the branch for me.
[21:55] <xnox> Unit193: so, yes, I have =)
[21:55] <Unit193> Coolio.