[02:18] <sebsebseb> Hi
[02:18] <sebsebseb> anyone about?
[02:24] <nikis> Likely.
[02:25] <sebsebseb> nikis: so just read some interesting Ubuntu news
[02:26] <sebsebseb> to do with keeping GNOME 3.6 for the next release, because of upstream dropping fall back mode, and Unity relying on parts of it
[02:26] <sebsebseb> with testing in a PPA of 3.8
[02:27] <sebsebseb> and some things upgraded  to 3.8 probably
[03:07] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, the gnome 3 ppa will have gnome 3.8 so it's no big deal
[03:07] <bjsnider> ubuntu doesn't have all of gnome 3.6 in quantal, and didn't have all of 3.4 in precise
[03:21] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: uh yeah I Found that out before, how didn't have the full thing in all the versions
[03:22] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: what I am thinking though, surely that was silly to have Unity relying a bit on fall back mode stuff
[03:22] <sebsebseb> I guess took the easy route, and now need to sort things out more properly, since GNOME are going to drop it
[03:23] <jbicha> sebsebseb: it wasn't necessarily "fallback" code when Unity first started using it
[03:23] <sebsebseb> jbicha: oh?
[03:24] <bjsnider> they don't think it's necessary anymore what with llvmpipe and whatnot
[03:24] <sebsebseb> yep indeed at that
[03:25] <sebsebseb> they give their reasons
[03:25] <sebsebseb> harder to maintain that as well etc etc
[03:25] <sebsebseb> ,but I also read reasons as to why it may be a good idea to keep fall back mode
[03:26] <sebsebseb> I assume distros can put it in anyway if they want it,  even if not supported upsteram, and even pach it or something :d
[03:26] <jbicha> like gnome-screensaver for instance isn't needed any more by GNOME but it sure was a few months ago
[03:26] <sebsebseb> anyway what's interesting in a way is how Ubuntu is using a PPA to test GNOME stuff again,  for 11.04 GNOME 3 was in a buggy PPA for example
[03:27] <sebsebseb> and now since this fall back mode, Unity stuff,  whole of 3.8 in a PPA it will be as well
[03:27] <sebsebseb> jbicha: I think GNOME screensaver was  originally a fork of Xscreensaver as well?
[03:27] <jbicha> sebsebseb: that's not terribly practical as they are ripping out lots of pieces; the level of patches that distros would have to maintain would quickly get crazy
[03:27] <sebsebseb> yeah you mean for fall back mode I assume and distros
[03:28] <sebsebseb> also with GNOME 3 and the screensaver, well it just became lock screen and that was about it I guess yeah
[03:28] <sebsebseb> bye bye those beauitufl screensavers
[03:28] <sebsebseb> ,but can run Xscreensaver in GNOME 3 anyway,  something I will try on my netbook :d
[03:28] <sebsebseb> and in another distro, I think can run Xscreensaver inside GNOME 3, not tried yet
[03:30] <sebsebseb> jbicha: Newer is not always better :d
[03:30] <bjsnider> i think the right idea is to delay the release of new ubuntu distros for months, like fedora is doing. that makes users happy
[03:30] <sebsebseb> something else Ubuntu 12.10 with Nautilus 3.4  instead of the 3.6 version, because of whatever some feature
[03:30] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: well I am into Mageia now :)
[03:30] <sebsebseb> and Mageia delays no problem, with valid reason
[03:31] <bjsnider> nautilus was completely redisigned
[03:31] <bjsnider> not "some feature"
[03:31] <sebsebseb> and then tell the community on the blog the reasons, and people seem to just accept it so far, in general :)
[03:31] <sebsebseb> also indeed Fedora been delaying a beta a lot in the 18 cycle, but apparnatly the final won't be delayed
[03:32] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: yep true Nautilus got a re design, but I haven't tried the 3.6 version myself yet
[03:32] <sebsebseb> the 3.4 I have though, but that was just well opening up files and such :d
[03:32] <bjsnider> it's amazing
[03:32] <bjsnider> i dig it. others don't
[03:33] <sebsebseb> the 3.6 version apparnatly had some changes though, that didn't fit in with Unity, and so they decided to go back to 3.4 for Ubuntu 12.10, or  something like that, whatever it was, oh and people complained about the new  Nautilus 3.6 yeah
[03:33] <sebsebseb> ,but of course
[03:34] <sebsebseb> also what's nice about 3.6 is when doing a search well search for Nautilus or Files both will bring up the icon :d
[03:34] <sebsebseb> for it
[03:34] <sebsebseb> 3.6?  I mean 3 .4, but I assume 3.6 is like that to
[03:34] <bjsnider> here's the logic behind the redesign, by jmccann: http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2012/08/01/cross-cut/
[03:36] <bjsnider> the mint guy blew a gasket
[03:36] <sebsebseb> May have been on that link before, not sure quite
[03:36] <sebsebseb> the Mint guy uhmm
[03:36] <sebsebseb> well Mint does it's own interface stuff
[03:37] <sebsebseb> with the help of whoever
[03:37] <sebsebseb> well for Mate sure, but  Cinnamon is pretty much just Mint people I guess at the moment?
[03:38] <sebsebseb> I mean Mate isn't only made by Mint people
[03:38] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: and Mint made their own file manager or whatever, if that's what your reffering to
[03:39] <bjsnider> this is what i'm referring to: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-Mint-founder-calls-Nautilus-3-6-a-catastrophe-1699677.html
[03:40] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: yep I  seem to have been on that one before
[03:41] <sebsebseb> anyway Ubuntu uhmm
[03:41] <sebsebseb> I read some where that basically would stick with Nautilus ( or well I guess Files if going to use the other name it has now)
[03:41] <sebsebseb> ,but may end up patching it, beause  of Unity and what not, or whatever
[03:43] <jbicha> sebsebseb: since you're in the +1 channel, why don't you try raring? it has Nautilus 3.6
[03:44] <sebsebseb> jbicha: uh maybe, but I actsauly contribute to another distro on the community side now :d
[03:44] <sebsebseb> however I was thinking of virtual maching Ubuntu 12.10, not even treid that yet
[03:44] <sebsebseb> also that Ubuntu GNOME Remix from what I read, and saw of screenshots/video  seems interesting
[03:44] <sebsebseb> for well a GNOME 3 distro :d
[03:45] <sebsebseb> ,but then going to need the GNOME 3 ppa, for Nautilus 3.6 etc in that, if wanting that, since by default it's stuck with the 3.4 version
[03:46] <sebsebseb> jbicha: also that distro the one I like now :)  has Nautilsu 3.6, but in development versions
[03:48] <bjsnider> mageia?
[03:48] <sebsebseb> yep :)
[03:50] <sebsebseb> indeed
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:17] <BluesKaj> X initramfs failed again , so nothing has changed
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ...BBL
[18:55] <johnjohn101> any changes from 12.10 on the daily build now?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> JontheEchidna, a couple of python related packages , but no fix for the X init failure yet
[19:02] <BluesKaj> er johnjohn101 ...too many kohns
[19:26] <BluesKaj> same old...guess I'll have play the "Patience" card til the Xserver bug is fixed , "Xinit: connection to X server lost."
[19:27] <genii-around> Is this after today's updates?
[19:28] <BluesKaj> yesterday afternoon , genii-around
[19:30] <genii-around> Ah. I ran apt-get -y dist-upgrade && shutdown -h now    last night , booted up OK today
[19:31] <BluesKaj> and what did that command do genii-around ..I'm not familiar with -y and -h
[19:33] <genii-around> BluesKaj: the -y is a bit dangerous, it means answer "yes" automatically to any prompts, i wouldn't recommend it usually.  The -h is for Halt in the shutdown command
[19:34] <BluesKaj> dangerous heh, X server is broken , how could it be any worse ? :)
[19:35] <genii-around> I have had the flash plugin crash 3 times today but that's the only weirdness so far. The plugin-container seems to shoot up to about 18-25% CPU in top then it crashes. Refreshing the page reloads it and it's good for a while longer until it crashes again, etc
[19:36] <BluesKaj> bbl
[19:45] <BluesKaj> genii-around, which graphics ?
[19:46] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Nvidia 9300M GS  with nvidia-current-updates   ( driver version is 304.64-0ubuntu1 )
[19:49] <BluesKaj> yeah , mine is a 8400gs , entry level pcie , but it works fine for my setup , nvidia-current for this card is 304.43 driver
[19:51] <BluesKaj> here on 12.10 it's the 304.51 driver ...strange
[20:05] <genii-around> BluesKaj: There are 3 different drivers now, nvidia-current, nvidia-current-updates, and nvidia-experimental-304
[20:07] <BluesKaj> genii-around, there also the R310 driver available on the nvidia site for any cards from the geforce 8800GTX and up , supposed to give a large performance boost
[20:09] <genii-around> Hm, interesting.
[21:06] <jtaylor> someone know how to install stuff in py3.3's venv?
[21:08] <jtaylor> there doesn't seem to be any tools installed for that, I'm wondering if its a packaging issue or just how it should work now ._.
[21:18] <BluesKaj> well ,my bag of tricks is empty ... I guess patirnce is word of the day for my X server bug
[21:18] <BluesKaj> err patience
[21:26] <jtaylor> meh old external py3.2 venv still works fine, I'll just use that
[21:29] <BluesKaj> I'm on the 12.10 partition , so I'm ok , but it's disappointing that the bug fix isn't done yet for 13.04
[21:41] <simplew> yofel: do you have your system raring updated?
[21:41] <yofel> yes, I don't dare to reboot though...
[21:42] <simplew> yofel: eheeh
[21:42] <simplew> yofel: i have updated now 53 packages, and i did rebooted yesterday and i had to create a new user to be able to enter in kde session
[21:43] <yofel> hm, someone complained about gpg somehow blocking his login yesterday IIRC
[21:43] <genii-around> I'm going to do an update and reboot to see if I have the same issue. I can boot into my 10.04 if it fails horrible.
[21:44] <genii-around> yofel: Yes, I had the same thing earlier
[21:44] <genii-around> Ok, biab
[21:44] <simplew> yofel: but im with another problem, the plasma panel im using has 22 pixes width (its a default size i set in systemsettings) but then i changed to humanity icons and the start icon appeared orange, after i updated yesterday the start icon started appearing gray, no to have it in orange i need to have the panel much bigger, at least size 32
[21:45] <yofel> did they half-update the icons?
[21:45] <simplew> yofel: how can i know that?
[21:45] <simplew> yofel: for that i would need to check the changes in source, bazar, but i dont know how to do that with bazar, do i have to clone the repo locally?
[21:46] <simplew> yofel: or is possible to check with launchpad?
[21:46] <yofel> you could look at the raring-changes mailing list if someone uploaded something in that regard
[21:46] <simplew> yofel: could you point the url?
[21:46] <yofel> I don't know what package has the humanity icons. If you know that you can look at launchpad too
[21:47] <yofel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Raring-changes
[21:47] <simplew> yofel: i also dont know but i think that its not hard to check
[21:47] <simplew> yofel: seams the packae is humanity-icon-theme
[21:49] <simplew> yofel: there was an update installed for this package
[21:51] <yofel> you can check what was done in the changelog in /usr/share/doc/humanity-icon-theme/changelog.Debian.gz
[21:52] <simplew> yofel: what app do i use to see that
[21:53] <simplew> zcatº?
[21:55] <yofel> uh, most sane text editors support gzip
[21:55] <yofel> zcat would work though
[21:58] <bjsnider> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/h/human-icon-theme/human-icon-theme_0.36/changelog
[21:58] <simplew> [ Lars Uebernickel ]
[21:58] <simplew>   * Update chat status icons (lp: #1056488)
[21:58] <bjsnider> there's the changelog
[22:00] <simyoplew> yofel: but in this bug report i dont see ahy changes related about start icon... weird
[22:00] <genii-around> Booted OK although there's a crapload in .xsession-errors which I'll pastebin
[22:01] <genii-around> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1346307/   .xsession-errors after the latest updates
[22:01] <simyoplew> bjsnider: thought you were a bot :)
[22:02] <bjsnider> let me check
[22:02] <bjsnider> i seem to have a pulse
[22:02] <simyoplew> bjsnider: :)
[22:02] <bjsnider> i'm probably not a bot
[22:02] <simyoplew> seams not
[22:06] <simyoplew> yofel: isnt possible to get a diff of the changes from launchpad?
[22:15] <yofel> simplew: feel free to 'bzr branch ubuntu:humanity-icon-theme'
[22:29] <FernandoMiguel> hey
[23:32] <simplew> cn anyonetell if is possible to get a diff from the last changes made in launchpat for a certain project ?
[23:36] <jtaylor> which project?
[23:40] <simplew> jtaylor: im onit, but thabks
[23:48] <simplew> jtaylor: but heres the problem, after i updating raring yesterday, the start icon that used to appear in organge (ise use humanity icons), and to note that plasma panel is with width 22 pixels (default size), so after updating severall packages in raring, now the start icon appears in grey
[23:49] <simplew> jtaylor: but for what i see in https://code.launchpad.net/humanity theres no changes regarding that particular icon, any ideia what can caused this?
[23:50] <simplew> jtaylor: ig i changepanel size to width 32 than the start icon appears again in orange
[23:50] <jtaylor> you probably want this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme
[23:51] <jtaylor> though no change there since quantal either
[23:53] <simplew> yes, so what can triggered this?
[23:57] <jtaylor> the start icon may come from another package
[23:58] <simplew> jtaylor: but humanity-icon.theme has it
[23:58] <simplew> and since im using it, why would come from another package?
[23:58] <simplew> jtaylor: how cani purge a package and ignore dependencies?