[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <Noskcaj> morning
[07:55] <Noskcaj> as always evening for me
[08:00] <pitti> hey dholbach
[08:03] <dholbach> hi pitti
[08:26] <Noskcaj> guys the xubuntu daily is messed up, all partitioning is gone
[08:40] <Noskcaj> bug 1076907 needs triaging
[08:42] <TheLordOfTime> you mean it needs to be set as "Triaged" ?
[08:42] <pitti> before doing that, some dev actually needs to triage it :)
[08:43] <TheLordOfTime> i was about to say that :p
[08:43]  * TheLordOfTime may not be on the QA team, but he's seen a few QA team bugs to know that some dev needs to do something with it first before it gets triaged :P
[08:43]  * TheLordOfTime returns to lurking
[08:46] <persia> TheLordOfTime: What?  Why?  When I started triaging bugs in Ubuntu, I didn't do any development: just research on the bugs, and ended up with lots of devs asking me which bugs could be fixed easily during the scheduled bugfixing days.
[08:46] <Noskcaj> and can people please stop saying quantal was a success
[08:46] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj, can you stop the qq about quantal?
[08:46] <Noskcaj> ok?
[08:47] <Noskcaj> i get 5 errors a day and the unity launcher doesn;t without pressing super unless i use the dev nvidia driver and then i get more bugs
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> "please stop saying quantal was a success"  i only find LTSes to be a success.
[08:47] <Noskcaj> true
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> but i've run quantal *without issue* on several testing systems.
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> so the saying "its just you" tends to ppop into my brain :P
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> granted my testing systems are *ancient*
[08:47]  * TheLordOfTime also doesn't use nvidia :P
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> and actually...
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> i'
[08:48] <Noskcaj> yeah, its only one mobile series that has that problem
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> ve seen a few users have no issues with nvidia systems.
[08:48] <Noskcaj> but sooooooooooooooooo anoying
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> none of them are on their mobile chipsets though.
[08:49] <TheLordOfTime> annoying maybe.  whining worthy?  no.  this is what blogs are for though, so if you want to whine, whine in a blog.
[08:49] <TheLordOfTime> ... ooops i broke something on my server...
[08:49] <TheLordOfTime> *walks the 5 feet ot his server to fix it*
[09:27] <Noskcaj> why have we got this link in the website when nothing shows in it http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/32/manifest
[09:27] <Noskcaj> bye
[19:12] <Noskcaj> i have been kicked from the mailing list
[19:39] <phillw> Noskcaj: ??
[19:39] <Noskcaj>  phillw: working now, it was just temporary
[19:39] <Noskcaj> can we add netboot to testdrive somehow?
[19:41] <phillw> Noskcaj: I saw the request on the mailing list, balloons should catch it and answer when he has time.... Things are a bit hectic at the moment!
[19:41] <balloons> I can answer now on IRC :-)
[19:41] <phillw> aha! speak of the devil :)
[19:41] <balloons> adding something to testdrive would require code changes.. in other words, a developer
[19:43] <phillw> balloons: and apart from "more chance of hell freezing over", what are the chances?
[19:44] <balloons> no idea.. I don't think testdrive is dev'd anymore sadly
[19:45] <Noskcaj> :(
[19:45] <Noskcaj> then why did they leave "other" in?
[19:45] <phillw> I confess to knowing of testdrive.
[19:46] <phillw> *knowing NOTHING of*
[19:46] <Noskcaj> but ERMAGUD balloons is active on irc again
[19:46] <balloons> let's look it up
[19:46] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/testdrive
[19:47] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~testdrive/testdrive/trunk
[19:47] <balloons> there is life there
[19:48] <phillw> balloons: indeed https://launchpad.net/testdrive shows it to be active :)
[19:48] <balloons> that said, it's just python.. probably could be done easily enough
[19:48] <balloons> make a request there
[19:48] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:48] <phillw> I use KVM, but that's coz that is what I was trained on using :)
[19:49] <Noskcaj> i use vbox via testdrive
[19:49] <phillw> It seems that KVM is what people move onto after using virtual box :)
[19:50] <phillw> if you apt-get install virtual-manager it will pull everything in (including the stuff we need to emulate PPC).
[19:51] <phillw> but, it is 64 Bit only.
[19:51] <balloons> yes.. testdrive gives you zsyn
[19:51] <balloons> *zsync
[19:51] <balloons> but you can use zsync by itself
[19:52] <phillw> balloons: it always catches me out each new install :D I go zsync... blah blah blah.... computer says "maybe you should install it 1st" :P
[19:55] <phillw> balloons: and on a totally different topic, just how much testing do you want for a usb device to be working? I've now got a horrendous list of creating / copying / deleting files between 'host' and 'usb device'. Do you want them all documented as the 'mother of all usb interaction' or just a quick simple test case?
[19:56] <balloons> ahh
[19:56] <balloons> on the manual testing front I think it's better to go for things that can't be automated
[19:56] <balloons> so don't test every iteration in the manual testcase
[19:56] <balloons> keep it simple :-)
[19:57] <phillw> simple sounds good :D
[19:57] <Noskcaj> Bug #1077158
[19:57] <phillw> the automated test case will be a horror of every possible variation I can think up!
[19:58] <phillw> but, ideally suited for automated testing :)
[20:03] <balloons> yes ideed phillw
[20:06] <Noskcaj> are there meant to be release notes in the dailies?
[20:08] <balloons> Noskcaj, ?
[20:08] <balloons> you meant the notice for release notes?
[20:08] <Noskcaj> a link
[20:08] <balloons> if so, yea.. everything will be quantal for a long time
[20:09] <Noskcaj> there is no link at all
[20:23] <phillw> Noskcaj: do not expect such things until we hit cadence testing :)
[20:27] <Noskcaj> phillw: ok
[20:27] <phillw> balloons: is http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/testcases/1343/info okay? I don't want to, in a simple test case, go through all the stuff in the file handling test case of deleteng stuff
[20:27] <balloons> phillw, looks good
[20:28] <balloons> it's nice basic and simple..
[20:28] <phillw> Noskcaj: there will be weekly meetings held, where the flavours are asked to fill in a quick report.
[20:28] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:28] <phillw> balloons: as long as we can copy to and from the usb device, that should be enough :)
[20:28] <balloons> phillw, yes I agree
[20:29] <phillw> next up, my nemesis... samba connectivity =-O
[20:31] <phillw> this may take a while as I've got to install tasksel, then a samba server :P
[20:32] <phillw> balloons: does Canonical have a samba server set up for testing / connectivity?
[20:34] <balloons> samba server?
[20:34] <balloons> lol.. I don't know if there are specific samba tests
[20:35] <phillw> as the likes of Nautilus / PCManFM can connect to via samba, not sure how to phrase up a "connect to xyz" to ensure it is working?
[20:36] <Noskcaj> balloons: you put the wrong links on the ppc netboot
[20:36] <balloons> Noskcaj, ohh?
[20:36] <balloons> let's fix them!
[20:37] <phillw> I certainly cannot expect a tester to install a samba server... I'll let you and nosk go edit the test case, I'll go and seek advice :)
[20:37] <Noskcaj> you need to put "current" instead 20102187ubuntu186
[20:37] <balloons> Noskcaj, no no.. it should be correct
[20:37] <balloons> it is automagic
[20:37] <Noskcaj> oh, nevermind then
[20:38] <Noskcaj> i thought you had to manually update
[20:38] <balloons> the "downloads" work a bit differently and they have some setup
[20:38] <balloons> no it's automated ;-)
[20:38] <Noskcaj> just put http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/raring/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/mini.iso in instead
[20:40] <Noskcaj> guys, testdrive thinks ubuntu came out in 1970
[20:40] <balloons> hehe.. that's unix start epoch time
[20:40] <Noskcaj> nevermind its fixed
[20:59] <Noskcaj> turns out testdrive changes the cache time to unix start epoch time after you turn off the vm