| snap-l | Evening | 03:04 |
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| rick_h | party | 03:04 |
| rick_h | morning party people | 12:27 |
| rick_h | TGIF | 12:27 |
| snap-l | Worst. Saturday. Ever. | 12:50 |
| rick_h | hah | 12:50 |
| brousch | jrwren: How's the mk802 treating you? | 15:21 |
| brousch | I'm waffling between that and a raspberrypi | 15:22 |
| jrwren | its OK. | 15:22 |
| jrwren | its WAY better than raspberrypi for PC type stuff. | 15:22 |
| jrwren | rasp has advantage of hardware pins so hardware control. | 15:23 |
| brousch | I don't have a specific project for it yet, so I haven't bought anything | 15:23 |
| jrwren | so i'd place rasp between arduino and mk802 | 15:23 |
| jrwren | MK802 really is a tiny desktop. jus tplug a display and keyboard and mouse and you are up and running | 15:24 |
| brousch | Yeah, I got a bionic lapdock too | 15:24 |
| brousch | So it can be a laptop | 15:24 |
| snap-l | Did not realize watch supported a --color flag | 16:39 |
| snap-l | Huzzah | 16:39 |
| rick_h | hah | 16:43 |
| rick_h | snap-l: G+ pic, more rotation please | 16:47 |
| snap-l | rick_h: damn phone doesn't auto-rotate | 16:48 |
| snap-l | JoDee brought home Chicken Shack | 17:19 |
| snap-l | and it was OMGWTFNOMNOMNOM | 17:20 |
| jrwren | i've never had chicken shack | 17:20 |
| shakes808 | Good afternoon all | 17:20 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's good. They use butter on their chicken, and the batter is moist and crispy. | 17:21 |
| rick_h | heh, we've got one up the street I've gone to once or twice | 17:29 |
| rick_h | just don't get the patatoes ugh | 17:29 |
| rick_h | and yea, it's fried chicken with fries and such so make sure you do some laps before lunch | 17:30 |
| snap-l | Their potatoes are pretty good | 17:30 |
| snap-l | but yeah, they're also pretty salty | 17:30 |
| jcastro_ | chickenshack is so good | 17:34 |
| snap-l | Yeah, we avoided it for the longest time, but then had some and immediately regretted not trying it sooner. | 17:35 |
| snap-l | https://ting.com/blog/byosd-progress-report-and-wider-beta-launch-announced/ | 17:38 |
| snap-l | In case you have a sprint device laying around, and want to try Ting | 17:39 |
| snap-l | shakes808: ^^ | 17:39 |
| shakes808 | snap-l: i traded in my sprint devices to get money off my Verizon bill | 17:46 |
| shakes808 | lol | 17:46 |
| shakes808 | And my phone is on the list lol | 17:46 |
| shakes808 | :( | 17:46 |
| shakes808 | Oh, well | 17:46 |
| shakes808 | I have been happy with Verizon thus far | 17:47 |
| shakes808 | but with the 4G, it eats up the data faster lol | 17:47 |
| shakes808 | When on Sprint, we would have 1.5 - 2 GB of data month. With Verizon we are going through 4 GB pretty fast | 17:48 |
| shakes808 | here is a C++ question, not using .NET, is there a dataset implementation? | 17:49 |
| snap-l | shakes808: Bummer | 17:51 |
| rick_h | man, not sure if it's 12.10 or chrome but sure feels snappier since the reinstall | 18:10 |
| rick_h | actually maybe it's 12.10 because lots of things feel snappier | 18:10 |
| jrwren | shakes808: no. | 18:12 |
| jrwren | shakes808: and you shouldn't use DataSet in .NET anyway. | 18:12 |
| jrwren | in C++, DataSet would just be void*** anyway | 18:13 |
| rick_h | bwuhahahaha 2164 lines (+1430/-270) 24 files modified | 18:13 |
| rick_h | now who to sucker into reviewing .... naw time to break it into multiple branches | 18:13 |
| shakes808 | jrwren: why should I use .NET dataset? and not familiar with void*** | 18:16 |
| jrwren | you shouldn't use .NET DataSet. prefer static types in a static typed lang | 18:19 |
| jrwren | DataSet is effectively a weak type in a static type system. | 18:20 |
| jrwren | you know what void* is in C/C++ right? void*** is just more dereferences. I was j/k | 18:20 |
| jrwren | what are you doing? | 18:21 |
| greg-g | snap-l: huh! (re BYOSD) | 18:25 |
| shakes808 | getting back into C++ so I can make some games. | 18:36 |
| shakes808 | I will eventually need to read data from a db and want to be able to store it so I am not hitting the db. | 18:36 |
| jrwren | ah. I recommend defining your own types and not using a DataSet like structure | 18:36 |
| jrwren | will they be relations ? | 18:37 |
| shakes808 | ? as in the db? | 18:38 |
| jrwren | what you read back from teh db. | 18:38 |
| shakes808 | yeah, would imagine so. | 18:38 |
| jrwren | if using a DataSet would it have been a single DataTable or many related? | 18:38 |
| jrwren | or would you have used separate DataSet instances? | 18:39 |
| shakes808 | related in some what. | 18:40 |
| jrwren | I'd start by declaring a C++ class with fields for each db field and populate a std::vector<whatever*> with DB results | 18:40 |
| jrwren | and see how far that takes me. | 18:41 |
| jrwren | if you want you could even reflect teh db schema and generate the c++ class based on table schema as a first step of your build process | 18:41 |
| jrwren | less code for you to write and its a closer step to a C++ orm. | 18:41 |
| jrwren | sounds like a fun project IMO | 18:42 |
| jrwren | if you are using postgresql I wouldn't mind helping, I've always wanted to dive into that API | 18:42 |
| jrwren | then again, for a game sqlite or some kind of nosql probably makes more sense. | 18:43 |
| shakes808 | Looking to do MySQL | 18:57 |
| jrwren | i'm so sorry ;) | 19:00 |
| shakes808 | My buddy is making a dataset in JAVA based off of .NET. Why do you not like .NET's implementation? | 19:00 |
| shakes808 | what would be the difference between MySQL / Postgresql | 19:01 |
| brousch | A Java and Mysql game? | 19:03 |
| jrwren | omg, its so wrong on so many levels, others have written far more about it than I will take time to write. I suggest you google around. | 19:08 |
| jrwren | if you are wriring in C++ you'd use teh mysql or postgresql client libraries directly. entirely different API | 19:08 |
| brousch | Wouldn't that require mysql or postgresql to be installed on people's computers? | 19:10 |
| jrwren | read all these answers: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/53338/what-are-the-disadvantages-of-typed-datasets | 19:11 |
| shakes808 | will read it later tonight | 19:14 |
| shakes808 | But that isn't about Postgre/MySQL | 19:15 |
| jrwren | no, that is about why to avoid Dataset | 19:15 |
| shakes808 | gotcha | 19:17 |
| shakes808 | looking at comparisons and it is says that Postgre is slower than MySQL | 19:24 |
| rick_h | LIES! | 19:26 |
| shakes808 | HAHA | 19:28 |
| shakes808 | So if I did Postgre, jrwren, you would be in at attempting to make something :D | 19:28 |
| brousch | Don't use mysql unless you have to | 19:29 |
| snap-l | Yeah, MySQL is not a path I'd take for new database installs | 19:31 |
| jrwren | postgresql is slower than mysql. it is also correct. | 19:32 |
| jrwren | do you like invalid foreign keys? I don't. If you do, use mysql | 19:32 |
| rick_h | do you like auto truncated text fields...go mysql | 19:32 |
| rick_h | do you hate those pesky subselects...use mysql | 19:32 |
| rick_h | do you hate writing stored procures, custom functions, and more in those stupid 'pretty' languages like python, ruby, and perl? ... use mysql | 19:33 |
| jrwren | and by that, you mean client side, because postgresql lets you write real server side sprocs funcs in plugin languages like perl, python, ruby | 19:36 |
| rick_h | no, I mean if you hate using those languages server side then use mysql | 19:37 |
| rick_h | but yea, because postgres allows all the coolness taht is | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Do you like performance, data integrity, or new features? | 19:40 |
| snap-l | With mySQL, pick one. | 19:40 |
| rick_h | do you like choosing which fork is the one you want to use today :P | 19:40 |
| shakes808 | gotcha | 19:41 |
| snap-l | MySQL was good for a time. PostgreSQL has caught up and surpassed it | 19:42 |
| shakes808 | So Post it is :D | 19:42 |
| snap-l | and by caught up, I mean acquired most of the advantages mySQL had at one point. | 19:42 |
| snap-l | shakes808: Well, make an informed choice. | 19:42 |
| snap-l | but lean towards PostgreSQL if possible | 19:42 |
| jrwren | and NEVER use speed as your #1 criteria | 19:43 |
| snap-l | if you're doing shared hosting, you might not have a choice. | 19:43 |
| jrwren | if you want speed DO NOT USE A RELATIONAL DATABASE | 19:43 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Nope, use /dev/null | 19:43 |
| jrwren | :) | 19:43 |
| snap-l | The write once, read never device. | 19:43 |
| brousch | I'm considering a move to Webfaction for shared hosting. They have current Python and Postgres | 19:44 |
| brousch | And Python is a first class citizen, not an afterthought | 19:44 |
| snap-l | I wish Wordpress had PostgreSQL support | 19:45 |
| jrwren | snap-l: me too | 19:47 |
| snap-l | I guess my other complaint would be database-agnostic PHP drivers that developers could use, but apparently PHP doesn't have Mike Bayer. | 19:48 |
| jrwren | those rarely work, drivers are only first layer. | 19:50 |
| jrwren | you don't want to be tied to agnostic SQL | 19:50 |
| jrwren | you want to leverage your DB. | 19:50 |
| jrwren | use things that your specific DB is good at. | 19:50 |
| jrwren | db agnostic apps are a pipe dream, or brittle at best. | 19:51 |
| snap-l | Let me have my misguided dreams | 19:51 |
| brousch | I was going to refute jrwren, then I thought about all of the database-specific issues with Django. Postgis only being in postgresql, half-assed support in Google app Engine | 19:54 |
| greg-g | always best to not attempt to refute jrwren | 19:55 |
| brousch | There was one thing he was wrong about, but I forget what it was. I suspect he hacked into my brain and manually removed the memory | 19:58 |
| jrwren | i'm wrong often. | 19:59 |
| jrwren | certainly more than I'm correct. I like to call it learning. | 19:59 |
| rick_h | *cough* bookie is completely db agnostic *cough* | 19:59 |
| jrwren | OH SNAP! | 20:06 |
| shakes808 | night all. Will hop on later ;) Might bug ya for questions | 21:33 |
| shakes808 | Hello all again :D | 22:36 |
| shakes808 | rick_h: rick_droid: http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=115926630&aid=81237197&WT.mc_n=JSAHG10 | 23:01 |
| greg-g | too many !!!s | 23:02 |
| waldo323_ | Systen Design, | 23:03 |
| greg-g | :) | 23:05 |
| rick_h | shakes808: wtf... "you must do everything from assembly through C++ through django through SQL... | 23:55 |
| shakes808 | lol | 23:56 |
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