[03:04] Evening [03:04] party [12:27] morning party people [12:27] TGIF [12:50] Worst. Saturday. Ever. [12:50] hah [15:21] jrwren: How's the mk802 treating you? [15:22] I'm waffling between that and a raspberrypi [15:22] its OK. [15:22] its WAY better than raspberrypi for PC type stuff. [15:23] rasp has advantage of hardware pins so hardware control. [15:23] I don't have a specific project for it yet, so I haven't bought anything [15:23] so i'd place rasp between arduino and mk802 [15:24] MK802 really is a tiny desktop. jus tplug a display and keyboard and mouse and you are up and running [15:24] Yeah, I got a bionic lapdock too [15:24] So it can be a laptop [16:39] Did not realize watch supported a --color flag [16:39] Huzzah [16:43] hah [16:47] snap-l: G+ pic, more rotation please [16:48] rick_h: damn phone doesn't auto-rotate [17:19] JoDee brought home Chicken Shack [17:20] and it was OMGWTFNOMNOMNOM [17:20] i've never had chicken shack [17:20] Good afternoon all [17:21] jrwren: It's good. They use butter on their chicken, and the batter is moist and crispy. [17:29] heh, we've got one up the street I've gone to once or twice [17:29] just don't get the patatoes ugh [17:30] and yea, it's fried chicken with fries and such so make sure you do some laps before lunch [17:30] Their potatoes are pretty good [17:30] but yeah, they're also pretty salty [17:34] chickenshack is so good [17:35] Yeah, we avoided it for the longest time, but then had some and immediately regretted not trying it sooner. [17:38] https://ting.com/blog/byosd-progress-report-and-wider-beta-launch-announced/ [17:39] In case you have a sprint device laying around, and want to try Ting [17:39] shakes808: ^^ [17:46] snap-l: i traded in my sprint devices to get money off my Verizon bill [17:46] lol [17:46] And my phone is on the list lol [17:46] :( [17:46] Oh, well [17:47] I have been happy with Verizon thus far [17:47] but with the 4G, it eats up the data faster lol [17:48] When on Sprint, we would have 1.5 - 2 GB of data month. With Verizon we are going through 4 GB pretty fast [17:49] here is a C++ question, not using .NET, is there a dataset implementation? [17:51] shakes808: Bummer [18:10] man, not sure if it's 12.10 or chrome but sure feels snappier since the reinstall [18:10] actually maybe it's 12.10 because lots of things feel snappier [18:12] shakes808: no. [18:12] shakes808: and you shouldn't use DataSet in .NET anyway. [18:13] in C++, DataSet would just be void*** anyway [18:13] bwuhahahaha 2164 lines (+1430/-270) 24 files modified [18:13] now who to sucker into reviewing .... naw time to break it into multiple branches [18:16] jrwren: why should I use .NET dataset? and not familiar with void*** [18:19] you shouldn't use .NET DataSet. prefer static types in a static typed lang [18:20] DataSet is effectively a weak type in a static type system. [18:20] you know what void* is in C/C++ right? void*** is just more dereferences. I was j/k [18:21] what are you doing? [18:25] snap-l: huh! (re BYOSD) [18:36] getting back into C++ so I can make some games. [18:36] I will eventually need to read data from a db and want to be able to store it so I am not hitting the db. [18:36] ah. I recommend defining your own types and not using a DataSet like structure [18:37] will they be relations ? [18:38] ? as in the db? [18:38] what you read back from teh db. [18:38] yeah, would imagine so. [18:38] if using a DataSet would it have been a single DataTable or many related? [18:39] or would you have used separate DataSet instances? [18:40] related in some what. [18:40] I'd start by declaring a C++ class with fields for each db field and populate a std::vector with DB results [18:41] and see how far that takes me. [18:41] if you want you could even reflect teh db schema and generate the c++ class based on table schema as a first step of your build process [18:41] less code for you to write and its a closer step to a C++ orm. [18:42] sounds like a fun project IMO [18:42] if you are using postgresql I wouldn't mind helping, I've always wanted to dive into that API [18:43] then again, for a game sqlite or some kind of nosql probably makes more sense. [18:57] Looking to do MySQL [19:00] i'm so sorry ;) [19:00] My buddy is making a dataset in JAVA based off of .NET. Why do you not like .NET's implementation? [19:01] what would be the difference between MySQL / Postgresql [19:03] A Java and Mysql game? [19:08] omg, its so wrong on so many levels, others have written far more about it than I will take time to write. I suggest you google around. [19:08] if you are wriring in C++ you'd use teh mysql or postgresql client libraries directly. entirely different API [19:10] Wouldn't that require mysql or postgresql to be installed on people's computers? [19:11] read all these answers: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/53338/what-are-the-disadvantages-of-typed-datasets [19:14] will read it later tonight [19:15] But that isn't about Postgre/MySQL [19:15] no, that is about why to avoid Dataset [19:17] gotcha [19:24] looking at comparisons and it is says that Postgre is slower than MySQL [19:26] LIES! [19:28] HAHA [19:28] So if I did Postgre, jrwren, you would be in at attempting to make something :D [19:29] Don't use mysql unless you have to [19:31] Yeah, MySQL is not a path I'd take for new database installs [19:32] postgresql is slower than mysql. it is also correct. [19:32] do you like invalid foreign keys? I don't. If you do, use mysql [19:32] do you like auto truncated text fields...go mysql [19:32] do you hate those pesky subselects...use mysql [19:33] do you hate writing stored procures, custom functions, and more in those stupid 'pretty' languages like python, ruby, and perl? ... use mysql [19:36] and by that, you mean client side, because postgresql lets you write real server side sprocs funcs in plugin languages like perl, python, ruby [19:37] no, I mean if you hate using those languages server side then use mysql [19:37] but yea, because postgres allows all the coolness taht is [19:40] Do you like performance, data integrity, or new features? [19:40] With mySQL, pick one. [19:40] do you like choosing which fork is the one you want to use today :P [19:41] gotcha [19:42] MySQL was good for a time. PostgreSQL has caught up and surpassed it [19:42] So Post it is :D [19:42] and by caught up, I mean acquired most of the advantages mySQL had at one point. [19:42] shakes808: Well, make an informed choice. [19:42] but lean towards PostgreSQL if possible [19:43] and NEVER use speed as your #1 criteria [19:43] if you're doing shared hosting, you might not have a choice. [19:43] if you want speed DO NOT USE A RELATIONAL DATABASE [19:43] jrwren: Nope, use /dev/null [19:43] :) [19:43] The write once, read never device. [19:44] I'm considering a move to Webfaction for shared hosting. They have current Python and Postgres [19:44] And Python is a first class citizen, not an afterthought [19:45] I wish Wordpress had PostgreSQL support [19:47] snap-l: me too [19:48] I guess my other complaint would be database-agnostic PHP drivers that developers could use, but apparently PHP doesn't have Mike Bayer. [19:50] those rarely work, drivers are only first layer. [19:50] you don't want to be tied to agnostic SQL [19:50] you want to leverage your DB. [19:50] use things that your specific DB is good at. [19:51] db agnostic apps are a pipe dream, or brittle at best. [19:51] Let me have my misguided dreams [19:54] I was going to refute jrwren, then I thought about all of the database-specific issues with Django. Postgis only being in postgresql, half-assed support in Google app Engine [19:55] always best to not attempt to refute jrwren [19:58] There was one thing he was wrong about, but I forget what it was. I suspect he hacked into my brain and manually removed the memory [19:59] i'm wrong often. [19:59] certainly more than I'm correct. I like to call it learning. [19:59] *cough* bookie is completely db agnostic *cough* [20:06] OH SNAP! [21:33] night all. Will hop on later ;) Might bug ya for questions [22:36] Hello all again :D [23:01] rick_h: rick_droid: http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=115926630&aid=81237197&WT.mc_n=JSAHG10 [23:02] too many !!!s [23:03] Systen Design, [23:05] :) [23:55] shakes808: wtf... "you must do everything from assembly through C++ through django through SQL... [23:56] lol