[04:44] <Kilos> morning everybody
[04:53] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[04:53] <psydroid> you get up earlier and earlier
[05:00] <Kilos> lol hi psydroid 
[05:47] <Squirm> morning
[05:48] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:58] <Superhuman> morning Kilos, Squirm & psydroid
[05:58] <Kilos> ohi Superhuman 
[05:58] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[05:59] <psydroid> morning Superhuman
[05:59] <psydroid> hi superfly
[05:59] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[05:59] <psydroid> hi Squirm
[06:00] <superfly> morning Kilos, Superhuman, Squirm and psydroid!
[06:00] <Superhuman> aweh superfly!
[06:00] <superfly> Superhuman: another bun in the oven, eh?
[06:01] <Superhuman> Jip!
[06:01] <superfly> awesomesauce
[06:01] <Superhuman> Bun almost ready to get out... +- 90 days to go
[06:01] <Kilos> wow nearly min dae
[06:02] <Kilos> oh you guys dont know army chat
[06:02] <Kilos> i gonna give you 40 days
[06:02] <superfly> Kilos: I *always* hear about min dae
[06:03] <Kilos> it was when you got to the last 40 days of your comp army service superfly 
[06:06] <Kilos> after 9 months my time then 18 months then 2 years i think later call ups did
[06:06] <Kilos> yo Cantide 
[06:06] <Kilos> whats news
[06:06] <Cantide> hey Kilos '-'
[06:07] <Superhuman> aweh Cantide
[06:07] <Cantide> hi Superhuman :p
[06:08] <Cantide> Kilos, exam today
[06:08] <Cantide> so i have the day off '-'
[06:08] <Cantide> what about you?
[06:08] <Kilos> good luck laddy
[06:08] <Cantide> thanks :)
[06:08] <Kilos> im goodish ty
[06:09] <Cantide> and thanks for the 3G autoconnect workaround :)
[06:09] <Cantide> i haven't tested it out yet
[06:09] <Cantide> i think i'm going to go back to 12.04 :<
[06:10] <Kilos> np
[06:10] <Kilos> 12.04 isnt bad. ill still get to 12.10 when cds arrive
[06:10] <Cantide> hmm
[06:11] <Cantide> i'm not sure if it's 12.10 or just my PC, but it keeps crashing
[06:11] <Kilos> some peeps say its way faster than 12.04 and others say its slower so i gotta see for myself
[06:11] <Cantide> especially when browsing pages with flash or playing video
[06:11] <Kilos> ai that sucks
[06:11] <Cantide> yeah :-S
[06:11] <Kilos> how much ram you got?
[06:11] <Cantide> so back to 12.04 i shall go, but in a month's time :)
[06:12] <Superhuman> Cantide: Try a fresh install of 12.10...might be residual configs/packages that are causing that...
[06:12] <Cantide> Superhuman, true - i did do an upgrade
[06:12] <Cantide> or i will wait for 13.04
[06:12] <Kilos> 13.04 isnt lts
[06:12] <Cantide> i will be doing a fresh install anyway, because i plan on getting an SSD soonish
[06:13] <Superhuman> I know my Thunderbird is giving me major uphill because it has been upgraded since 08.10
[06:13] <Cantide> Kilos, I don't care too much about LTS
[06:13] <Kilos> long term support
[06:13] <Cantide> oh.. I use Thunderbird every day, and it works well for me :)
[06:13] <Cantide> Kilos, I know :p
[06:13] <Kilos> 5 years if im not mistook
[06:13] <Cantide> yup
[06:13] <Kilos> evolution much better than thunderbird
[06:13] <Superhuman> The base email files are way old...and need to be freshly done...
[06:14] <Cantide> LTS doesn't really make a difference to me, although they do seem more stable
[06:14] <Cantide> and stability is the reason i want to go back to 12.04
[06:14] <Superhuman> Kilos: I have about 1 million emails in Thunderbird. Company requires that we keep ALL emails, and I've been here 4 years
[06:14] <Cantide> anyhow, i will decide after i get some new hardware
[06:15] <Kilos> i just purged thunderbirc and install evo and did a mail backup from maverick and it runs well
[06:15] <Cantide> Superhuman, wow... okay, that's WAY more than me
[06:15] <Cantide> i use it at home - wish i could use it at work
[06:15] <Kilos> ouch Superhuman 
[06:16] <Cantide> Kilos, for some reason i've always liked Thunderbird
[06:16] <Cantide> and for some other reason I've never liked Evolution :-S
[06:16] <Kilos> eeeek
[06:16] <Kilos> lo SmilyBorg_w 
[06:16] <Kilos> you watched too much tv as a kid Cantide 
[06:17] <Cantide> hahaha
[06:17] <Kilos> hehe
[06:17] <Cantide> what does TV have to do with choice of email client?
[06:17] <Cantide> and no, i barely watch TV :p
[06:17] <Kilos> brainwashed
[06:17] <Cantide> lol
[06:17] <Kilos> now yes
[06:17] <Cantide> personal preference :)
[06:17] <Cantide> even then... i don't recall watching much other than Gummy Bears and The Simpsons
[06:18] <Kilos> its a known fact tv is the most effective brainwashing tool out
[06:18] <Cantide> haha
[06:18] <Kilos> hehe
[06:18] <Cantide> unless you select what you watch :p
[06:18] <Cantide> the internet <3
[06:18] <Cantide> TV is going to change soon anyway
[06:18] <Cantide> Smart TVs will allow us to select content from the internet
[06:18] <Kilos> to what
[06:18] <Kilos> eish more data use
[06:19] <Cantide> and we will be able to view on demand, i think TV schedules will be no more, except for live things like sport etc.
[06:19] <Cantide> there will be some convergence between TVs and the internet at any rate
[06:19] <Cantide> not sure to what extent exactly
[06:19] <Cantide> but yeah, our country is not a good place for that :p
[06:20] <Kilos> for someone who doesnt watch tv you know alot about whats happening
[06:20] <Cantide> because I use the internet :)
[06:20] <Kilos> lol
[06:20] <Kilos> ya ya
[06:20] <Cantide> heard of netflix? hulu? Ubuntu TV?
[06:20] <Kilos> i watch 7de laan
[06:20] <Cantide> i read articles all day :)
[06:20] <Cantide> oh, you have been brainwashed!
[06:20] <Kilos> lol
[06:20] <Cantide> :p
[06:21] <Cantide> ek kannie dit mooi verstaan nie :'(
[06:21] <Kilos> ah
[06:21] <Cantide> want ek het nie die kans om Afrikaans te gebruik nie
[06:21] <Cantide> (or something)
[06:22] <Kilos> thats not bad
[06:22] <Cantide> my vocabulary is like 10 words lol
[06:22] <Cantide> Durban </3
[06:22] <Kilos> we actually got an afrikaans channel but dunno if anyone is ever there anymore
[06:22] <Cantide> lol
[06:23] <Kilos> oh ya few still there
[06:23] <Kilos> #ubuntu-afr
[06:24] <Cantide> hehe
[06:24] <Cantide> brb, urgent email!
[06:31] <Cantide> hmm
[06:31] <Cantide> almost time to go out >.<
[06:31] <Cantide> what are you up to today, Kilos?
[06:31] <Kilos> playing with iptables again
[06:31] <Cantide> :-S
[06:31] <Kilos> pc2 forgot where pc1 is
[06:32] <Kilos> lol
[06:32] <Cantide> sounds like a lifelong relationship between you and iptables
[06:32] <Cantide> haha
[06:32] <Kilos> go well see you later
[06:32] <Cantide> thanks :)
[06:32] <Cantide> if i come back online, chase me away
[06:32] <Cantide> i mean if i come back online before my exam
[06:32] <Cantide> haha
[06:32] <Cantide> good luck with iptables~
[06:32] <Cantide> bye~
[06:32] <Kilos> ty
[06:34] <Kilos> lo Ludo 
[06:43] <Kilos> sigh
[06:43] <Kilos> Luuuuuddoooooooo
[06:44] <Kilos> hmmm
[06:55] <magespawn> morning Kilos
[06:56] <Kilos> morning magespawn 
[06:57] <magespawn> well at least there are no yawns here yet
[06:57] <Kilos> lol yeah
[06:57] <Kilos> looking good today
[06:57] <Kilos> must be because its friday
[06:57] <magespawn> maybe
[07:10] <superfly> morning magespawn
[07:11] <superfly> magespawn: are both the devices you have charged and ready to go?
[07:12] <magespawn> morning superfly, mine is yes no 376514 the other I do not know
[07:12] <superfly> magespawn: apparently it is still "off" (out of battery)
[07:13] <magespawn> very low will put it on charge again now
[07:13] <Kilos> wow you see that from capetown superfly 
[07:13] <Kilos> whew internet clever
[07:14] <Kilos> why dont you tell me when i got probs coming
[07:14] <superfly> magespawn: not your device, the other one
[07:15] <superfly> Kilos: cause I don't have a dashboard on your internet :-P
[07:15] <Kilos> lol
[07:17] <magespawn> superfly they might not have used it yet
[07:19] <superfly> magespawn: the ladies are getting anxious, cause they're one of our top sellers :-)
[07:20] <Kilos> whew when i ping 8.8.8.8 from pc2 i get 25% packet loss
[07:20] <Kilos> superfly, they still didnt mail me the info
[07:21] <magespawn> ahh right superfly 
[07:21] <Kilos> nor you magespawn 
[07:21] <magespawn> that is a bit of a strange ip Kilos, did you set it yourself?
[07:22] <Kilos> its google
[07:22] <magespawn> info, Kilos?
[07:22] <Kilos> the fly gave it to me
[07:22] <Kilos> on them airtime machines
[07:22] <Kilos> costs deposits etc etc
[07:23] <Kilos> whats needed and all that stuff
[07:24] <magespawn> Kilos see pm
[07:33] <Kilos> ians company is looking for any extra income  and they are in an industrial area with many factories around them so lotsa peeps around
[07:34] <bakuman> More mense!
[07:34] <bakuman> Maaz, coffee please
[07:34] <Maaz> bakuman: There isn't a pot on
[07:34] <bakuman> :(
[07:34] <bakuman> bietssss!!!!
[07:34] <bakuman> hoe durf jy terug praat!
[07:34]  * bakuman skop Maaz
[07:35]  * bakuman skaam homself en vra omverskoning
[07:35] <Kilos> lo bakuman 
[07:36] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:36]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:36] <bakuman> Maaz, coffee please
[07:36] <Maaz> bakuman: Alrighty
[07:36] <bakuman> :D
[07:36] <bakuman> more oom Kilos 
[07:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and bakuman!
[07:40] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[07:40] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[07:44] <superfly> Kilos: we're trying to expand our Cape Town footprint right now... magespawn is a willing guineapig for our experiments further afield :-D
[07:45] <Kilos> well lemme know then please superfly when you wanna try rustenburg
[07:45] <superfly> Kilos: will do
[07:45] <Kilos> ty
[08:24] <charlvn> good morning
[08:24] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:24]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:28] <magespawn> Maaz coffe please
[08:28] <Maaz> magespawn: Go get it yourself!
[08:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[08:28] <magespawn> ouch
[08:32] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[08:32] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[08:37] <Kilos> hehe hiya charlvn 
[08:46] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[09:24]  * magespawn goes to blow some pixels up in open arena
[09:30] <Kilos> lol
[09:53] <mazal> Afternoon all
[09:56] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[09:56] <mazal> Gaanit Oom Kilos ?
[09:56] <Kilos> its not avy yet
[09:56] <Kilos> goed dankie en u
[09:57] <mazal> Bietjie rof na gister , een hele helfte van my flat het nie meer ruite nie
[09:57] <Kilos> eish
[09:57] <Kilos> hael?
[09:57] <mazal> Moes die helfte van my goed uittrek vir storage by vriende
[09:58] <mazal> Yep
[09:58] <mazal> Meeste van die flats hier se ruite uit , karre stukkend , diere beseer
[09:58] <mazal> Was erg
[09:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:58] <mazal> No is ek sonder my pc en Ubuntu by die huis :(
[09:58] <mazal> Het net 'n laptop by my en hy het ms op
[09:58] <Kilos> nogga eina
[09:59] <Kilos> maar jy kan xchat op dit sit
[09:59] <mazal> Hmm , het dit nie geweet nie
[09:59] <Kilos> xp of win 7
[09:59] <Kilos> of vista
[09:59] <mazal> Win 7
[09:59] <Kilos> Maaz, google xchat for win7
[09:59] <Maaz> Kilos: "xchat.org • View topic - xchat and windows 7" http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=4842 :: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/ :: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/ :: "XChat - Windows 7 Download" http://www.windows7download.com/free-win7-xchat/ :: "Xchat 2 Crashing - Crowdsourcing Questions & Answers"
[09:59] <Maaz> http://lockergnome.net/questions/151987/xchat-2-crashing :: "XChatData | Using / Assistant" http://xchatdata.…
[10:00] <mazal> Ai die Maaz is darem handig :)
[10:00] <Kilos> http://www.windows7download.com/free-win7-xchat/
[10:00] <Kilos> lol ja slim bot
[10:00] <Kilos> lyk my daai ene
[10:01] <mazal> Ek sal dit beslis opsit , gaan baie stil wees tuis. Geen pc , geen ps3 , geen tv niks
[10:02] <Kilos> wats fout jou pc
[10:02] <Kilos> nat gekry
[10:03] <Kilos> sjoe ek sal dooi sonder n pc wat werk
[10:03] <mazal> Nee ek moes dit alles verwyder vir sekuriteit
[10:03] <mazal> Sonder ruite kan iemand maklik inklim
[10:04] <mazal> My spaar pc parted wat in 'n boks naby die ruite was het egter nat geword
[10:04] <mazal> En al my drywer cd's
[10:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:05] <Kilos> steel hulla daar ook?
[10:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:08] <mazal> Dit het nog nooit gebeur by my nie , maar mens weet nooit
[10:09] <Kilos> yip rahter safe than sorry
[10:09] <Kilos> rather
[10:10] <mazal> Nou gaan ek heavy corrupt raak met daai Win laptop lol
[10:10] <mazal> Is net die enetjie by die werk wat Ubuntu op het
[10:10] <Kilos> tot pidgin werk ook op ms
[10:10] <Kilos> sjoe jy sal moet ontkiem later
[10:10] <Squirm> I'm hungry now
[10:11] <Squirm> 40min till lunch
[10:11] <Squirm> :/
[10:11] <Kilos> Squirm, you must carry snacks with you
[10:11] <Kilos> or hide somewhere
[10:11] <Kilos> to tide you over
[10:13] <Kilos> or some fruit
[10:33] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[10:34] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[11:12] <magespawn> later all, go to go on a game drive
[14:40] <Kilos> hmm you guys are in and out some hey
[14:46] <Squirm> weekend
[14:46]  * Squirm dances
[14:46]  * Squirm pulls out the sherry
[14:46] <Kilos> hehe
[14:47] <inetpro> hmm...
[14:51] <superfly> Hey mazal
[14:52] <superfly> Wish I could go on game drives like magespawn does
[14:52] <Kilos> yeah
[14:53] <superfly> Not sure if he drives or leads them, but it would be awesome either way
[14:53] <hubx> hi there
[14:53] <Kilos> hi hubx 
[14:53] <Kilos> good life he has there superfly 
[14:54] <superfly> Kilos: I'm sure there are days he'd rather be someone else
[14:55] <Kilos> yip everyone has bad days but hes inna tiny quiet town to start with and coupla games reserves around
[14:56] <superfly> wonder if i'd be able to organise a visit when we're up in that part of the world next year
[14:56] <Kilos> most likely
[14:57] <Kilos> hluhluwe game reserves used to have place for peeps to stay
[14:57] <Kilos> and theres st lucia down the road
[14:57] <Kilos> lotsa mosquitos
[14:58] <Kilos> im sure there a many otyher b+b places too
[14:58] <superfly> Kilos: do you remember how far it is from Durban?
[14:58] <Kilos> 3 hours ride i think
[14:58] <superfly> to Hluhluwe, of course
[14:58] <Kilos> maybe bit less
[14:58] <superfly> Mmmmm
[14:58] <Kilos> yeah
[14:59] <superfly> If we can spend the night, that would be pretty awesome
[14:59] <Kilos> whew memory sucks some but i think empangeni is bout 2 hours from durbs and hluhluwe about an hour more
[15:00] <Kilos> there must be lotsa places to stay 
[15:00] <Kilos> the spawn will know
[15:00] <Kilos> im going back over 30 years
[15:02] <Kilos> and theres that massive dam north of him. think its jozini
[15:02] <Kilos> was a stream when i was there first then they dammed it but took long to fill methinks
[15:02] <Kilos> lotsa pineapples in that area
[15:02] <superfly> We're going to be south of Durbs, Port Shepstone
[15:02] <Kilos> biiig ones
[15:03] <Kilos> ian was born in sheppy hospital
[15:03] <superfly> Oh, ok
[15:03] <Kilos> w2as also a smallish town back then
[15:03] <inetpro> superfly: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Port+Shepstone,+KwaZulu-Natal,+South+Africa&daddr=Hluhluwe,+South+Africa&hl=en&sll=-28.93431,31.657765&sspn=2.369985,5.410767&geocode=FQU6K_4dcNbQASldUzPbaKFYHjE72CTMs9wJlQ%3BFTd3VP4d7FzsASntnfqgq_z6HjHe1drEANSLbA&oq=Port+Shepstone+&t=h&mra=ls&z=7
[15:04] <inetpro> eish... that's a long url, sorry
[15:04] <Kilos> lol
[15:04] <Kilos> Maaz, shorten https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Port+Shepstone,+KwaZulu-Natal,+South+Africa&daddr=Hluhluwe,+South+Africa&hl=en&sll=-28.93431,31.657765&sspn=2.369985,5.410767&geocode=FQU6K_4dcNbQASldUzPbaKFYHjE72CTMs9wJlQ%3BFTd3VP4d7FzsASntnfqgq_z6HjHe1drEANSLbA&oq=Port+Shepstone+&t=h&mra=ls&z=7
[15:04] <Maaz> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/4FcCjR
[15:04] <Kilos> hehe
[15:04] <Kilos> sorry for the spam
[15:04] <inetpro>  from Port Shepstone to Hluhluwe = 382 km, 4 hours 25 mins along the N2
[15:05] <superfly> Wow, that's quite a drive
[15:05] <Kilos> ya sheppy an hour south of tekwini
[15:05] <inetpro> lol
[15:06] <superfly> Was thinking about visiting nuvolari, will have to plan carefully if we want to visit magespawn too
[15:07] <inetpro> superfly: from St Lucia to Hluhluwe is 78.5 km (1 hour 17 mins)
[15:10] <inetpro> superfly: make a overnight stopover at Umhlanga or somewhere along the Dolphin Coast, north of Durbs
[15:10] <Kilos> and mtubatuba to hluhluwe
[15:10] <superfly> Mmmm, another nice place to stop
[15:11] <Kilos> how can you take (1 hour 17 mins) for 78 ks?
[15:11] <inetpro> many beautiful places along the route
[15:11] <Kilos> oxwagon?
[15:11] <Kilos> natal is a beautiful place
[15:11] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't know how they work that out but it may be right
[15:12] <Kilos> nee man
[15:12] <Kilos> st lucia just sea side of tubatuba
[15:12]  * inetpro hasn't been there for some time
[15:12] <superfly> Kilos: speed limits? Or don't they apply to you? :-P
[15:12] <Kilos> tub to hulehule is a quick run
[15:12] <Kilos> 20 ks about
[15:13] <Kilos> natal speed is 120
[15:13] <inetpro> think the last time I was there was in 96
[15:13] <inetpro> Kilos: I think it's a 100 these days
[15:14] <Kilos> oh my
[15:14] <superfly> inetpro: i think the lst time I was there Nelson Mandela was still in prison
[15:14] <Kilos> even so at 100 kph you cant take over an hour to do 80 ks
[15:14] <superfly> *last
[15:15] <superfly> Kilos: depends on stops and things
[15:15] <Kilos> whew you old hey superfly 
[15:16] <superfly> Kilos: hahaha, or just well traveled despite my age :-P
[15:16] <Kilos> i dont think there are stops apart from where st lucia joins the road north
[15:16] <Kilos> lol
[15:17] <superfly> Kilos: at least I am old enough to remember that stuff
[15:18]  * superfly can actually remember the day of the referendum quite clearly
[15:19] <superfly> inetpro and Kilos are old enough to have voted in it though
[15:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:20] <inetpro> lol
[15:21] <inetpro> superfly: you didn't vote there yet?
[15:21] <superfly> Kilos: what year was ian born?
[15:21] <superfly> inetpro: a few years too young
[15:21] <inetpro> ok
[15:21] <Kilos> 75
[15:22] <Kilos> i think
[15:22] <Kilos> i ask sis
[15:22] <Kilos> ya
[15:22] <superfly> Kilos: ah, ok, a few years older than me
[15:23] <Kilos> oh my
[15:23] <Kilos> a few?
[15:23] <superfly> Kilos: vyf jaar ouer as ek
[15:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:24] <Kilos> now i feel even older
[15:24] <Kilos> good thing magtie no here
[15:27] <Kilos> hi hmmer
[15:27] <superfly> Kilos: you're still young enough to learn new tricks
[15:28] <Kilos> yeah
[15:28] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[15:28] <Kilos> if it wasnt for the head id still be wrestling steers to brand them
[15:30] <Kilos> now i wrestle iptables
[15:30] <superfly> hahahaha
[15:32] <mazal> Kilos are you 75 ?
[15:33] <Kilos> no0 man
[15:33] <Kilos> 61
[15:33] <Kilos> where you went to school
[15:33] <Kilos> go ask for your money back
[15:33] <Kilos> hehe
[15:33] <Kilos> sorry
[15:34] <mazal> Hehehe , ok got confused trying to catch up with the conversation
[15:34] <Kilos> lol
[15:34] <Kilos> ya its bad when inetpro calls me oom
[15:35] <Kilos> hes an oom
[15:36] <superfly> mazal: where in SA are you?
[15:37] <mazal> superfly , Cullinan
[15:37] <superfly> mazal: have you heard of an app called OpenLP?
[15:37] <mazal> nope
[15:37]  * superfly is in the mother city
[15:38] <superfly> mazal: google it, your church might find it handy
[15:39] <mazal> K will have a look
[15:39] <mazal> Can't install though
[15:39] <superfly> hrm, my station next
[15:40] <Kilos> walk a mile in my shoes
[15:40] <Kilos> you get lift from station superfly ?
[15:40] <superfly> Kilos: that way I'll be a mile away AND have your shoes!
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <superfly> Kilos: nope
[15:41] <Kilos> eish you walk?
[15:41] <Kilos> how far?
[15:41] <superfly> anyways, gotta go
[15:41] <Kilos> later
[15:41] <superfly> Yup
[15:41] <superfly> About 10 minutes 
[15:41] <Kilos> healthy when not raining
[15:41] <Kilos> then miserable
[15:43] <inetpro> Kilos: ek's g'n oom nie, ai
[15:43]  * inetpro is baie jonk
[15:44] <Kilos> hehe
[15:45] <Kilos> we had a lekker friday avy chat hey?
[15:45]  * mazal misses his Ubuntu pc
[15:45]  * mazal thinks he must try the usb install thing
[15:45] <Kilos> mazal, you shoulda locked it in your bedroom
[15:45] <mazal> I lost they keys
[15:45] <Kilos> you got a big usb stick?
[15:45] <mazal> Don't know where they are :P
[15:46] <Kilos> ai
[15:46] <mazal> I got 2 external hdd's that is in my work bag :)
[15:46] <Kilos> ah
[15:47] <mazal> Last time I tried it I failed though
[15:47] <mazal> But since I have so much time I might as well try again
[15:48] <Kilos> perfect the method and i will try
[15:48] <Kilos> got a 40 gig lappy external that was storage  and backup place but can experiment maybe
[15:49] <mazal> I think I will do that in place of my usual Friday archiving
[15:49] <Kilos> you should be able to if you remove hdd from lappy connect external and boot from ubuntu cd
[15:50] <Kilos> then set bios to boot from usb after
[15:50] <mazal> Nah somme gonna try with hdd still in laptop
[15:50]  * mazal nie bangie :)
[15:50] <Kilos> bye winsucks
[15:50] <tumbleweed> superfly: am I supposed to be reviewing an openlp upload?
[15:51] <mazal> Gotta go for now
[15:51] <mazal> Bye all
[15:51] <mazal> God bless
[15:51] <Kilos> later mazal 
[15:52] <Kilos> ty you too
[15:52] <Kilos> you youngster needs more blessings than me
[15:52] <Kilos> aw he missed that
[16:10] <superfly> tumbleweed: I think I left a message for you a while ago about the latest version (which is/was 1.9.12)
[16:11] <tumbleweed> yeah, I quickly forget about things I intend to do
[16:11] <superfly> haha\
[16:12] <superfly> tumbleweed: if you have some time, please could you review?
[16:12] <tumbleweed> uscan says the latest version is "MediaKit" :)
[16:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: also, we're hoping to bring out a final version at the end of this month, would be great to get it into debian/ubuntu soon thereafter
[16:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: meh, how can I fix that?
[16:13] <tumbleweed> only match numbers and dots in the watch file?
[16:13] <superfly> ah
[16:13]  * superfly goes to look
[16:14]  * superfly tries to referee a toddler and a kitten while doing a few other things
[16:15] <Kilos> lol
[16:15] <tumbleweed> that sounds fairly attention-consuming
[16:16] <superfly> tumbleweed: somewhat
[16:18] <Kilos> wb SmilyBorg_h 
[16:18] <SmilyBorg_h> hey there
[16:19] <zeref> hmmmmm
[16:19] <Kilos> wb hmmmmer
[16:19] <superfly> tumbleweed: OK, try now?
[16:19] <Kilos> net not good today
[16:21] <tumbleweed> superfly: I'd add a changelog entry for that
[16:21] <tumbleweed> and use the right e-mail address for the changelog entry
[16:22] <superfly> mkay
[16:35] <superfly> tumbleweed: should I create a new changelog entry called 1.9.12-2 ?
[16:44] <tumbleweed> no, we haven't uploaded -1
[16:56] <Kilos> hey Cantide how the exams go?
[16:56] <Cantide> not bad :D
[16:56] <Cantide> harder than I expected
[16:56] <Cantide> but i sat for almost the full 2 hours this time
[16:56] <Cantide> and completed all 12 pages of it '-'
[16:56] <Cantide> so i should get a goodish mark :D
[16:56] <Cantide> how was your Friday?
[16:56] <Kilos> good at least you finished
[16:57] <Cantide> yup
[16:57] <Kilos> quiet ty
[16:57] <Cantide> quiet is nice :)
[16:57] <Kilos> na its boring
[17:03] <Kilos> naand tannie magtie
[17:04] <Cantide> only boring if you lack hobbies
[17:04] <magtie> hello oom kilos
[17:04] <Cantide> i was too busy to do the things i wanted to do today... and it rained yet again, so i couldn't anyway
[17:04] <Kilos> hehe
[17:04] <Kilos> het hulle jou gese?
[17:06] <Kilos> i go eat quick kinda
[17:09] <inetpro> yummy! That was nice...
[17:09]  * inetpro just had a very tasty home made chicken salad twister wrap
[17:10] <inetpro> chicken & salad*
[17:12] <mazal> Ha ! It works :)
[17:13] <inetpro> mazal: wb
[17:14] <mazal> ta inetpro
[17:18] <mazal> Running of an external hdd now
[17:19] <superfly> hiya mazal
[17:19] <zeref> inetpro: share :D
[17:20] <superfly> tumbleweed: right, I've updated the tags, updated the changelog entry, and fixed the e-mail address
[17:20] <mazal> I dunno what I did wrong the previous time , but this time it was very easy
[17:21] <inetpro> zeref: how? It's all inme stomach now? :-)
[17:22] <tumbleweed> superfly: err, the date is also a month old. But I'm ok with ignoring that
[17:22] <inetpro> s/? :/ :/
[17:22] <zeref> inetpro: awwww
[17:22] <superfly> tumbleweed: ag, sorry, I'll fix that too
[17:23]  * zeref goes to dig in the fridge
[17:23] <inetpro> zeref: sorry
[17:24] <Kilos> hehe
[17:25] <Kilos> Maaz, now you got buntu with you as long as you have the external
[17:25] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[17:25] <Kilos> lekker hey
[17:25] <Kilos> grrr
[17:25] <Kilos> mazal, 
[17:25] <mazal> Yes
[17:26] <superfly> tumbleweed: OK, fixed
[17:26]  * superfly needs to write this up so that he doesn't forget *again*
[17:27] <tumbleweed> superfly: LGTM, uploading
[17:27] <mazal> I just can't get my chat setup
[17:27] <mazal> Can't remember how I added my gtalk account to empathy
[17:27] <superfly> tumbleweed: thank you, and thanks for your patience
[17:28] <tumbleweed> uploads like this are so easy they're a joy :)
[17:29] <mazal> ah , nevermind , found it
[17:29] <Kilos> mazal, im not sure empathy anymore but xmpp is the thing'
[17:29] <Kilos> ah
[17:29] <Kilos> i didnt like empathy. pidgin better
[17:29] <mazal> One forget these little things if you are used to seperate /home partition
[17:29] <mazal> Then no install needs config
[17:30] <Kilos> ya i do that too
[17:30] <mazal> This is the first one I needed to config mail etc. in a long time
[17:31] <Kilos> only if you have a prob and reinstall thew prob stays in home
[17:31] <Kilos> then
[17:32] <Kilos> no the
[17:32] <Kilos> fingers too fat
[17:32] <mazal> Now I just need a little rsync for my docs and I'm good
[17:33] <Kilos> more thunderbees tonight
[17:35] <superfly> tumbleweed: for the final release I'm going to write a patch to disable that version check
[17:35] <tumbleweed> version check?
[17:36] <superfly> tumbleweed: yeah, like Firefox has a version check in the Windows version, OpenLP has a version check too
[17:36] <superfly> and I know that sort of thing should be disabled for packaged software
[17:37] <tumbleweed> oh, yes, it should be
[17:37] <Kilos> superfly, how big is it?
[17:37] <superfly> Kilos: OpenLP? by itself about 15 megs, but there are a number of libraries that it needs
[17:38] <Kilos> how do i get it please
[17:38] <Kilos> ppa thingie?
[17:39] <Kilos> mazal, how much space on the external have you made for ubuntu?
[17:40] <superfly> Kilos: well, there's an older version in Ubuntu
[17:40] <Kilos> oh ok i go look in synaptic ty
[17:42] <mazal> Kilos, 80gig
[17:42] <Kilos> lekker
[17:42] <mazal> It was already there. I made it long ago for backing up /home data. So I sommer used it
[17:43] <Kilos> openlp is 2.9 meg and total download is 4170 kB superfly  lekker small
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <Kilos> superfly, you made that whole thing?
[18:00] <Kilos> once doing its config thingwith videos and music unticked total 17 meg
[18:01] <Kilos> could enjoy uncapped methinks
[18:02] <superfly> Kilos: not just me, a team of us
[18:03] <Kilos> very nice well done
[18:03] <Kilos> oh images unticked as well
[18:04] <mazal> When I search for openlp I get no results ?
[18:04] <superfly> mazal: which version of Ubuntu?
[18:04] <mazal> 12.04
[18:05] <superfly> mazal: you need to enable the backports repository
[18:05] <Kilos> mazal, in synaptic
[18:06] <superfly> mazal: http://user-guide.openlp.org/_images/5-updates-backports.png
[18:08] <Kilos> superfly, whats the backports thing
[18:08] <Kilos> i didnt do anything extra
[18:08] <superfly> Kilos: that's an extra repository so that newer versions of software can be installed in older versions of Ubuntu
[18:08] <superfly> Kilos: which version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu are you using?
[18:08] <Kilos> 12.04
[18:09] <Kilos> only have canonical partners etc added in repos
[18:09] <mazal> Ok , downloading
[18:09] <superfly> hrm... maybe you added it some other time?
[18:10] <Kilos> whew
[18:10] <mazal> It still didn't show in software centre , but showed in synaptic
[18:11] <Kilos> i dont use software centre its too slow and hard to find things
[18:11] <superfly> mazal: yeah, software centre is slow to update
[18:11] <Kilos> synaptic rocks
[18:12] <mazal> Fortunately I installed my iso so I have synaptec
[18:12] <Kilos> first things i do is install gdebi aptitude xchat pidgin and synaptic
[18:12] <Kilos> was  a shock when they started leaving synaptic out
[18:13] <mazal> What's gdebi ?
[18:13] <Kilos> package manager
[18:13] <mazal> ah ok
[18:13] <Kilos> if you got a pile of packages you can install with gdebi
[18:14] <Kilos> i think its a package manager
[18:14] <superfly> it's more of a package file installer that makes sure you have all the dependencies installed as well
[18:15] <Kilos> it finds what dependancies you got and still need and does the install
[18:15] <Kilos> ah ty superfly 
[18:17] <Kilos> synaptic can do all upgrades and everything for you too
[18:17] <Kilos> and fix broken packages
[18:17] <Kilos> handy for someone not to cli proficient
[18:18] <mazal> Should try and remember that
[18:18] <mazal> should I mark all the plug-ins ?
[18:18] <Kilos> if data no prob yes
[18:18] <mazal> Oeps , and if it is ?
[18:18] <Kilos> then you have a complete app
[18:19] <Kilos> i unticked movies images and music
[18:19] <Kilos> then its basicall text
[18:19] <Kilos> with cool gui stuff
[18:21] <Cantide> it seems as if i have fixed my PC 'o'
[18:21] <Kilos> get all the plugins when you on work internet
[18:21] <mazal> I see it has Bibles :)
[18:21] <Kilos> what was wrong catide?
[18:21] <Cantide> the freezing had become too frequent, so i finally changed the PSU today
[18:21] <Cantide> which didn't seem to help much
[18:21] <superfly> Kilos: you can tick all the plugins without downloading anything extra
[18:21] <Cantide> and eventually i started removing things... seems one of my RAM modules is faulty
[18:21] <Kilos> oh ty superfly thats nice to know
[18:22] <mazal> And one can add unmarked things later yes ?
[18:22] <Kilos> did you clean it and plug it back in Cantide 
[18:22] <Cantide> i tried that and it still froze
[18:22] <Kilos> i dunno mazal will find out from the fly
[18:22] <Cantide> i even tried different slots
[18:23] <Kilos> then stuffed ya
[18:23] <Kilos> well done
[18:23] <Kilos> see no new pc needed just lekker to get one
[18:23] <Cantide> i'll keep testing it for a few days before i decide that was really the problem :P
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Cantide> because i can't replicate the freezing intentionally
[18:23] <mazal> I used mine for 2 days :(
[18:23] <Kilos> then still dads to fix
[18:23] <Cantide> it seemed to happen sporadically
[18:23] <Cantide> Kilos, yeah :-S
[18:23] <Cantide> after my trip :p
[18:24] <Kilos> shame he has to wait
[18:24] <Kilos> shame on you
[18:24] <Kilos> poor papa
[18:24] <Cantide> hahaha
[18:24] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24] <Cantide> he needs it - it forces him to get things done around the house
[18:24] <Kilos> he uses windows
[18:25] <superfly> mazal: yes
[18:25] <superfly> mazal: the plugins you can enable in the plugin list, and the resources you can download again by re-running the wizard from the tools menu
[18:26] <Cantide> Kilos, yeah, that'll teach him!
[18:26] <Kilos> thats nice superfly 
[18:26] <mazal> K , mine is downloading now the things I selected
[18:26] <Kilos> haha leave it and say the koreans say ubuntu is the way to go
[18:27] <Cantide> hahahaha
[18:27] <Cantide> i installed Ubuntu on there so he could dual boot - even saw him using it a few times
[18:27] <Cantide> just need to fix it up properly
[18:27] <Cantide> and then remove windows
[18:28] <Kilos> ah
[18:28] <Kilos> lo smile4ever 
[18:28] <Kilos> havge you got openlp?
[18:29] <Kilos> have as well
[18:29] <smile4ever> hi :D
[18:30] <Kilos> Cantide, what does it actually do?
[18:30] <Cantide> doesn't post
[18:30] <Kilos> dead completely?
[18:30] <Cantide> or if it does, it freezes after a few minutes
[18:30] <Cantide> not completely
[18:30] <Cantide> similar to what my PC was doing, only freezing faster
[18:30] <Cantide> or not booting at all
[18:30] <Kilos> freezes in winsucks or ubuntu?
[18:31] <Kilos> virus
[18:31] <Kilos> trojan donkey
[18:32] <Cantide> both
[18:32] <Cantide> i think it's overheating - didn't i tell you about the broken heatsink bracket?
[18:32] <Kilos> whew yous bought ram same place same time
[18:32] <Cantide> so i just need to open it up and check
[18:32] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:32] <Cantide> nope, i got them at different times, and they're different brands
[18:33] <Kilos> cpu overheating
[18:33] <Cantide> most likely, yes
[18:33] <Cantide> but i am lazy :p
[18:33] <Cantide> especially if it means drilling holes in the MB
[18:33] <Kilos> they actually get hot very fast if heatsink and fan no good
[18:33] <Cantide> to secure the heatsink
[18:33] <Cantide> yes
[18:34] <Cantide> i will see if i can salvage a bracket off an old board
[18:35] <Cantide> sleep time :p
[18:35] <Cantide> good night '-'
[18:35] <Kilos> night can
[18:35] <Kilos> grrr
[18:36] <Squirm> evning
[18:36] <mazal> I got a blank screen and couldn't get out
[18:36] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[18:36] <mazal> Lo Squirm
[18:36] <Kilos> ouch mazal 
[18:39] <mazal> Where do I stop xchat from auto-joining the ubuntu channel ?
[18:40] <mazal> don't see it in preferences
[18:40] <Kilos> first  little window it opens
[18:40] <Kilos> you scroll to freenode then tick edit
[18:41] <Kilos> the type in #ubuntu-za in favourite channels + others if you like
[18:41] <Kilos> seperated with <
[18:41] <Kilos> ,
[18:41] <Kilos> ,
[18:42] <Kilos> not <
[18:42] <mazal> I don't get that options on startup
[18:42] <Kilos> ok
[18:42] <mazal> It joins freenode and joins ubuntu
[18:42] <Kilos> top left
[18:42] <Kilos> xchat
[18:42] <Kilos> network list
[18:42] <Kilos> then set it up
[18:43] <mazal> There's nothing there to setup , just gives a list of channels
[18:43] <Kilos> scroll to freenode
[18:43] <Kilos> tick it then tick edit
[18:44] <mazal> There's no freenode in the network menu
[18:44] <Kilos> dont tick the skip network list till you got it as you want it
[18:44] <mazal> Just connect , disconnect , close , channels
[18:44] <Kilos> where you put your nick in?
[18:44] <Kilos> that window
[18:44] <Kilos> must be a freenode
[18:45] <mazal> Right at the beginning , but it doesn't show that window anymore
[18:45] <Kilos> under fefnet
[18:45] <Kilos> you on xchat now?\
[18:46] <Kilos> mazal, talk to me
[18:46] <mazal> ah I found it , it's under preferences then network
[18:47] <mazal> I was looking at the main network menu
[18:47] <Kilos> ah
[18:48] <mazal> and now I sommer found the nickserv password as well lol
[18:48] <mazal> Been looking for that for ages
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <mazal> Every time I type it in manually :P
[18:51] <Kilos> did you used to sit in the ubuntu channel?
[18:51] <Kilos> mahem there
[18:52] <mazal> I looked in there once
[18:52] <mazal> But you can't even follow what is going on
[18:52] <Kilos> nope
[18:52] <Kilos> too many peeps all at once
[18:53] <mazal> Then every time I started up xchat I had to manually close that channel
[18:53] <Kilos> and each one knows what he must answer to who
[18:53] <mazal> I dunno how they do it
[18:53] <Kilos> now you will come here without probs
[18:53] <mazal> I got confused within seconds
[18:53] <Kilos> yeah me too
[18:53] <Kilos> madness is
[18:54] <mazal> Ok I'm off to bed
[18:54] <Kilos> night mazal sleep tight
[18:54] <smile4ever> good night mazal :p
[18:54] <mazal> Lekker slaap oom Kilos
[18:54] <Kilos> dankie boet
[18:54] <mazal> Night smile4ever
[18:54] <mazal> Night all
[18:54] <mazal> Blessings
[18:54] <Kilos> ty
[18:54] <Kilos> same there
[18:58] <Kilos> smile4ever, why you dropped your e17 bit
[19:01] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight. ty superfly 
[19:02] <smile4ever> good night :p
[19:02] <smile4ever> :)
[19:30] <smile4ever> doei! :D
[20:56] <zeref> oh dear
[20:56] <zeref> how to set a file name as date in a script
[20:56] <zeref> ??
[21:20] <zeref> ls
[22:13] <zeref> sigh
[22:14] <bakuman> zeref... what?
[22:15] <zeref> i'm trying to set a folder to the name of the curretn date
[22:15] <zeref> *current folder to the current date
[22:16] <bakuman> shell script?
[22:17] <zeref> yebo
[22:17] <zeref> is it not something like
[22:18] <bakuman> first get the way you want to print the date
[22:18] <zeref> date =date +%d%m%y
[22:19] <bakuman> no, spaces matter
[22:20] <bakuman> date="date +%d%m%y"
[22:20] <bakuman> oops no
[22:20] <bakuman> date=$(date +%d%m%y")
[22:21] <bakuman> that is the way zeref
[22:21] <bakuman> then: mv <folder> $date
[22:21] <zeref> ahhh
[22:22] <zeref> thanks bakuman 
[22:22] <zeref> working now :D
[22:22] <bakuman> or if you want it in one line: mv <folder> $(date +%d%m%y)
[22:22] <bakuman> :D
[22:23] <zeref> what  i'm trying to do to to get the max id, adn printing the row
[22:23] <zeref> "select f_name,l_name,cell_number from customer where uid=(select max(uid) from customer)"
[22:23] <zeref> but according to some peeps that method is a bit slow
[22:25] <bakuman> I'm mot a pro in sql queries :D
[22:25] <zeref> if postgres <=8.0
[22:25] <zeref> mine is 8.4
[22:25] <zeref> ?
[22:25] <bakuman> but cannot think of anything that can be quicker than calling max
[22:25] <zeref> yeah
[22:26] <zeref> same here
[22:26] <zeref> mabe they have steroif up the max function in > 8.0
[22:26] <zeref> *steriod
[22:27] <bakuman> haha
[22:28] <zeref> btwm its that the only way to to get the last recorc in a database
[22:28] <bakuman> if uid is auto incrementing, you can just select the last one
[22:28] <zeref> *record
[22:28] <zeref> yah
[22:28] <bakuman> there should be a LAST call or something?
[22:28] <zeref> hmmmmmmm]
[22:28] <zeref> for postgresql
[22:29] <zeref> i've not seen one yet
[22:29] <zeref> I'm bust looking at the doc
[22:31] <zeref> in java
[22:31] <zeref> if i get it right
[22:32] <zeref> job almost secure
[22:42] <zeref> 
[22:43] <bakuman> SELECT fields FROM table ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1;
[22:44] <bakuman> that seems to be the answer zeref
[22:45] <bakuman> you tell it to sort by "uid" then get the first entry only in descending order
[22:48] <bakuman> "select f_name,l_name,cell_number from customer ORDER  BY uid DESC LIMIT 1" in your case
[22:49] <zeref> yes
[22:50] <zeref> it works, thanks bakuman 
[22:50] <bakuman> :D
[23:05] <zeref> K, 
[23:05] <zeref> noe just need to add to it to a script
[23:09] <bakuman> \o
[23:09] <bakuman> o/