[00:09] <adnanh> could you be more specific about the asymmetrical rays
[00:09] <adnanh> as in, every ray should be different length or as in they should be alternating
[00:10] <ochosi> knome: ^
[00:10] <knome> adnanh, not every ray should be different, but there should be some variation, and not really alternating either
[00:10] <knome> alternating *might* work, but i'm not sure
[00:10] <adnanh> mhm
[00:12] <ochosi> i think you have to find a pattern or rhythm for them
[00:13] <knome> yup
[00:14] <adnanh> this a bit better? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17420410/Xubuntu/sun_4.svg
[00:15] <knome> hmm, for some reason, now it looks like 4 groups of 2 rays
[00:15] <knome> but maybe that's just me?
[00:15] <adnanh> hahaha
[00:15] <adnanh> happened to me with the old one
[00:15] <adnanh> depends where you look at, if you look at the center you see 4 groups of 2 rays
[00:16] <adnanh> if you look in the top right one, it should look a bit normal
[00:16] <adnanh> but either way I agree, it's bad
[00:18] <ochosi> knome: when layouting a page with divs, would you tend to hardcode widths or keep them at relative terms and try to handle the overflow somehow?
[00:19] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/weather-icons/sun.svg
[00:19] <knome> relative
[00:19] <knome> what kind of overflow are you talking about?
[00:19] <ochosi> hmm, the orange part is a bit too thick for my taste
[00:19] <ochosi> knome: simple layouting with image and a few textboxes next to / on top of each other
[00:19] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/weather-icons/sun2.svg
[00:20] <ochosi> what's the diff between sun and sun2?
[00:20] <knome> bigger middle part in 2
[00:20] <ochosi> almost not noticeable
[00:21] <knome> you can always use #inside_div img { width: 100%; }
[00:21] <ochosi> maybe adjust the gradient
[00:22] <adnanh> ochosi, agreed
[00:23] <ochosi> knome: approx like this: http://imagebin.org/235193
[00:23] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/weather-icons/sun3.svg
[00:23] <knome> just try to keep the inner box widths in reasonable sizes
[00:24] <ochosi> and then hope for the best?
[00:24] <knome> you can always set #wrapper { min-width: sth; }
[00:24] <ochosi> if it overflows (at least if i work with float) it'll look aweful
[00:24] <knome> what overflows?
[00:24] <ochosi> -e
[00:24] <knome> images or text?
[00:24] <ochosi> text
[00:24] <knome> make the text size a bit smaller.
[00:25] <knome> and if you aren't controlling the content, hope for the best
[00:25] <ochosi> well i do control the content
[00:25] <ochosi> but i'd have to settle on a minimum resolution first i guess
[00:25] <knome> yes, you probably should do that
[00:26] <knome> btw, just a sec
[00:26] <knome> i'll tell you sth cool
[00:26] <ochosi> 1000px width seems fine, no?
[00:26] <knome> i'd maybe go for 990px, leaves a bit of breathing space in 1024 with scrollbar
[00:26] <ochosi> (what i hate most is that i have to write it all by myself, no php, no nothing on that server :( )
[00:27] <knome> 		<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="only screen and (min-width:50px) and (max-width:500px)"   href="css/screen_layout_small.css">
[00:27] <knome> 		<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="only screen and (min-width:501px) and (max-width:800px)"  href="css/screen_layout_medium.css">
[00:27] <knome> ochosi, you can have multiple layouts for different media like that
[00:27] <knome> of course, doesn't work for everybody, but...
[00:27] <ochosi> yeah, too elaborate
[00:27] <ochosi> i just need a simple page until tomorrow
[00:27] <knome> yeah
[00:27] <knome> well,
[00:28] <knome> the first thing i'd do is try to keep the box widths reasonable
[00:28] <knome> if you can't rethink the layout
[00:28] <ochosi> and hardcode them?
[00:28] <knome> eg. put the two smallest boxes on top of each other
[00:29] <knome> and use different font-sizes to separate them
[00:29] <knome> no, not hardcode. just hardcode the min-width
[00:29] <knome> and make sure eg. 25% of that is not too little
[00:29] <knome> if you have 990px min-width in #wrapper, 25% is 250ish
[00:29] <knome> if that works for your content, good
[00:29] <knome> if not, rethink the layout
[00:30] <knome> or the content, if you can.
[00:30] <knome> but usually, the layout
[00:30] <ochosi> oh meh, i'm maybe too tired tonight for this kind of stuff
[00:30] <knome> with images, use { width: 100%; } to make sure they fallback nicely.
[00:30] <ochosi> it's just been ages that i coded html pages by hand from scratch
[00:31] <knome> heh
[00:31] <knome> if you don't care about the order of the content in markup, that's too easy to do
[00:36] <bkerensa> knome: why not enough bitesize xubuntu bugs
[00:36] <bkerensa> >.<
[00:36] <knome> bkerensa, thanks for volunteering to start making a list
[00:37] <adnanh> ok the sun icon has lost the meaning lol
[00:37] <adnanh> i really like http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/weather-icons/sun3.svg tho
[00:41] <adnanh> well guys, it's really been nice meeting you :)
[00:41] <knome> adnanh, you too!
[00:41] <knome> see you around later
[00:41] <adnanh> 1:41 am already here so I'm heading straight to bed lol
[00:41] <ochosi> same here
[00:41] <knome> meh, boring guys. i'm +1 :P
[00:42] <adnanh> I got exams coming up, so I won't do much, but when they're over, I'll try to help more :)
[00:42] <knome> bkerensa, on a more serious tone, would you be willing to fix them or find contributors for them? we're trying to gather more of those for R, that's part of our blueprints...
[00:42] <ochosi> adnanh: nice, looking forward to it
[00:43] <adnanh> (11th november is the last one, already half way through them)
[00:43] <knome> adnanh, yeah, no problem, help as much as you can/feel like it
[00:43] <ochosi> and good luck with the exams
[00:43] <adnanh> and I'm really impressed with blender and cycles rendering engine
[00:43] <adnanh> thank you :)
[00:44] <adnanh> good night/rest of the day, and the sun icon looks a lot crisper now :)
[00:44] <adnanh> have fun :)
[00:59] <knome> nighty!
[08:12] <Noskcaj> the raring daily doesn't have a link to release notes, is this a bug or being worked on
[08:13] <Noskcaj> also is i meant to detect my location while in  Vbox
[08:21] <Noskcaj> and the cursor flashes while scrolling through the slideshow
[08:21] <Noskcaj> all bugs in ubiquity?
[08:23] <Noskcaj> and i think partitioning was missing
[08:29] <ochosi> good question, could be something else as well
[08:32] <knome> raring daily?
[08:33] <knome> maybe wait for a few weeks at least
[08:35] <Noskcaj> i was trying to get some early bug reports
[08:35] <Noskcaj> partitioning is definatly gone
[08:36] <knome> well, don't try too hard
[08:36] <knome> it's still in the making
[08:37] <Noskcaj> i know but i'm a tester and thats my "job"
[08:37] <ochosi> :)
[08:37] <knome> kind of.
[08:39] <Noskcaj> can you try and triage when i have finished
[08:39] <astraljava> Next time I'm on my desktop, I'll wipe Studio off of the other disk (I have two), and upgrade to Xubuntu raring. 
[08:40] <ochosi> quite _d_aring ;)
[08:40] <Noskcaj> bug 1076907
[08:40] <knome> ochosi, har har yar
[08:40] <astraljava> I have to show more trust on the devs when they say they're improving the stability of the dev cycle systems.
[08:41] <astraljava> quantal was already a success, didn't have booting issues even once, and I upgraded just before first alpha.
[08:41] <astraljava> Well, software-related.
[08:41] <astraljava> But even doko can't fix my crappy hardware.
[08:42] <Noskcaj> quantal was not a success i get 5 errors a day and the unity launcher doesn;t auto-show
[08:42] <Noskcaj> unless i use the dev nvidia driver and then i get more bugs
[08:42] <astraljava> Noskcaj: Ehh... not using unity.
[08:42] <Noskcaj> i know this is the wrong forum go away
[08:42] <knome> bbl
[08:43] <astraljava> No I'm not asking you to go away, just noted as much. :)
[08:43] <Noskcaj> i know
[08:48] <Unit193> What kernel is raring on?
[08:49] <Noskcaj> is raring meant to have an install progress bar
[10:39] <adnanh> Hello :)
[10:40] <ochosi> hi
[10:46] <adnanh> haha, knome didn't push the sun last night? :)
[10:46] <ochosi> no, it wasn't final :)
[10:46] <adnanh> :)
[10:48] <adnanh> what's up anyway, what did I miss haha
[10:49] <ochosi> not much, had to do some commercial work
[10:49] <ochosi> i thought you have to study for your exams? :p
[10:51] <adnanh> I do, making a break, I'm on my phone :)
[10:51] <ochosi> ah, i see
[10:51] <adnanh> Raring will not have partitioning? What?
[10:51] <ochosi> no, that#s just an early testing bug
[10:52] <adnanh> Ahh :D
[10:57] <adnanh> Regarding the xubuntu-artwork-extras, installer could ask users if they want to download it, like the restricted xtras and language packs :o
[11:00] <ochosi> yeah, those things could prolly be done
[11:00] <ochosi> we were also considering showing app-sets to install
[11:01] <ochosi> but it really mainly is for ppl who use xubuntu for the first time
[11:01] <ochosi> all others pretty much know what they want
[11:01] <adnanh> Well yeah
[11:02] <adnanh> But it wouldn't hurt to have that, those who know what they want can just forward skip it
[11:02] <adnanh> And the newbies will probably like it
[11:04] <ochosi> yeah, prolly
[11:05] <ochosi> i guess we have to find someone who would do the technical implementation then
[11:06] <adnanh> :)
[11:07] <adnanh> Btw, did terminal background change in 12.10 from that grey color
[11:08] <adnanh> I only remember changing it myself in 12.04 before upgrading to 10
[11:08] <ochosi> yes
[11:09] <adnanh> Great haha :D
[11:11] <adnanh> Greyt xD pun intended
[11:12] <ochosi> :}
[11:15] <adnanh> What timezone are you in?
[11:16] <ochosi> gmt+1
[11:17] <adnanh> Ah, me too :)
[11:18] <adnanh> Knome is gmt+2?
[11:18] <ochosi> yup
[11:20] <adnanh> For some reason I expected you guys to be in totally different timezones than me
[11:21] <adnanh> Always used to happen when I join some community xD
[11:22] <ochosi> not all of us are in this tz
[11:27] <Unit193> 06:27
[11:31] <astraljava> No, but all the cool ones are. *blink* *blink*
[11:35] <ochosi> :)
[12:24] <pjotr> Hello, I have a feature request for Xubuntu, concerning the current feature of disabling the touchpad while typing.
[12:24] <pjotr> the current feature is set at: syndaemon -i 2.0 -K -R
[12:25] <pjotr> preferable would be (IMHO): syndaemon -i 0.5 -K -R -t
[12:25] <pjotr> the lag is now 2 seconds, which is huge. Plus there's no need to disable the movements of the mouse pointer
[12:26] <pjotr> In Ubuntu, the -t option is already default (with the same 2 seconds delay)
[12:27] <pjotr> mr_pouit: what do you think?
[12:51] <mr_pouit> pjotr: you should file a bug upstream about that
[13:07] <adnanh> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2012-November/msg00009.html
[13:07] <adnanh> gnome3 drops fallback mode
[13:07] <adnanh> whaaat
[13:11] <adnanh> and debian drops xfce as default wm
[13:11] <adnanh> oh boy
[13:12] <adnanh> ^ http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20121018
[13:13] <mr_pouit> xfce wasn't the default wm in debian anyway
[13:13] <adnanh> i think it was going to be after the gnome wasn't going to fit on the cd1
[13:13] <adnanh> but that changed :D
[13:40] <pjotr> mr_pouit: OK, I'll file it as a bug upstream. I hope I'm in time for Xfce 4.12....
[16:06] <ochosi> knome: the icons even look quite nice when upscaled: http://imagebin.org/235245
[16:06] <ochosi> adnanh: ^
[16:09] <adnanh> is that new sun or the old one
[16:09] <adnanh> but they do look great :)
[16:11] <ochosi> it's the old/current sun
[16:11] <ochosi> i'm still not convinced of changing the style
[16:11] <ochosi> i have to see something i consider really better/superior before i change it :)
[16:15] <adnanh> yea
[16:15] <adnanh> I don't mind the old ones as well :)
[16:18] <ochosi> still haven't decided how to change the style for the larger resolutions
[16:19] <ochosi> maybe i'll just make the lines/shapes thinner and more elegant
[16:19] <ochosi> i don't wanna replace the "symbolic" simplistic look with "realistic" i think
[16:19] <ochosi> (and not only because it'd be a lot of work)
[16:36] <adnanh> hmm
[16:36] <adnanh> should the sun loose gradient to make it more consistent with clouds?
[16:36] <adnanh> and moon
[16:37] <adnanh> lose*
[16:38] <ochosi> probably
[16:38] <ochosi> in 22px it's not very noticeable
[16:39] <ochosi> it just makes the sun a bit smoother
[16:39] <adnanh> tru
[16:39] <adnanh> true*
[16:41] <adnanh> and yeah, the heavy rain raindrops could maybe have thinner lines
[16:42] <ochosi> bbl
[16:44] <adnanh> k