[00:21] <simplew> Riddell: ping
[00:29] <xixor> sup
[00:32] <rijack> i got an error report i'd like to make where do i go
[00:33] <xixor> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[00:33] <xixor> !bugs
[00:33] <rijack> alright thankyou
[00:33] <xixor> a'ight
[00:59] <deadsoul> the right-click menu doesn't work, as the dialogs in thunderbird.. i'm using ubuntu 12.10 with kubuntu-desktop & kde-full... is it bug ?
[01:04] <ozzzy> you know... Kubuntu 12.10 with whatever KDE uses a pile more CPU than Mandriva 2010.2 with KDE 4.4
[01:10] <deadsoul> ozzzy: what do you suggest?
[01:10] <OerHeks> ozzzy, not here, Kubuntu 4.9.2 runs fine
[01:11] <deadsoul> OerHeks: how can i know my kde version.. i'm new to kde ^^
[01:12] <OerHeks> deadsoul, what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[01:12] <deadsoul> 12.10
[01:14] <OerHeks> you can see it from konsole: kde4-config -v
[01:14] <ozzzy> oh... I'm just commenting LOL
[01:14] <deadsoul> OerHeks: its 4.9.2
[01:15] <deadsoul> so, does it have a bug with thunderbird?
[01:15] <OerHeks> i don't know, i do not use thunderbird
[01:16] <deadsoul> OerHeks: what do you use?
[01:16]  * ozzzy uses thunderbird
[01:16] <OerHeks> Just webmail.
[01:16] <deadsoul> ozzzy: what's your ubuntu version?
[01:17] <ozzzy> 12.10
[01:17] <deadsoul> ozzzy: do use kde? and are the right menus & dialogs in thunderbird work fine with you ?
[01:17] <xixor> every email client, outlook, thunderbird, mutt, they all suck so hard compared with gmails web interface
[01:17] <ozzzy> yep... kde, thunderbird 16 and everything works fine
[01:18] <ozzzy> I don't like webmail
[01:19] <deadsoul> ozzzy: that's odd :P
[01:21] <deadsoul> xixor: right.. but if you have more than one email... your browser will be filled with webmail tabs :P and then it'll be waste of resources.. i think ^^
[01:21] <xixor> waste of resources... lol
[01:22] <xixor> linux users crack me up
[01:22] <xixor> "I need all this memories empty all the time... just in case!"
[01:22] <deadsoul> hehehe.. that's what always happen with me :P
[01:23] <xixor> "omfg, like 1 of my 8 hyperthreads is being used.  Time to compile custom kernel"
[01:23] <deadsoul> LOL
[01:24] <xixor> I have 16 gigabytes of ram, and I need 15 of them empty at all time.. in case the president needs me.
[01:24] <OerHeks> I think something is wrong, when my pc never goes beyond 75% cpu usage
[01:25] <xixor> I hear this all the time. "I dont' want to install the QtSDK to compile that program, it's so huge"... lol, 500Mb.  You actually have to pay MORE per gigabyte to buy a disk less than 500Gb these days
[01:25]  * ozzzy wonders if there's a point
[01:26]  * xixor searches for the smallest, tiniest, console based media player program.... so I can have quantum leaps more computing power than sent man to the moon... sitting empty and idle
[01:27] <xixor> but you gotta save those cpu cycles for the 3D rotating desktop cube
[01:28] <OerHeks> noooo ! wobbly whatever
[01:28] <xixor> every WM that wanted to be taken seriously had to implement a 3D rotating cube
[01:29] <OerHeks> even the transparancy blob should be removed, if they ask me.
[01:29] <deadsoul> btw, is it normal if my loadavg is at least 1.5, ?
[01:31] <xixor> maybe you have one too many tabs open
[01:31] <deadsoul> just because tabs??
[01:34] <xixor> I can never remember how to read those loadavg numbers
[01:35] <xixor> it is the number of ms that a process had to wait to be served, broken down into like 20, 10, and 1 minute intervals for each number?  or something like that
[01:35] <xixor> I could google it... but... you know.
[01:39]  * ozzzy just counts the number of pops/second in the popcorn pot on the cpu
[01:39] <xixor> sup n00bs
[01:39] <xixor> oops, wrong chan. disregard
[01:43] <xixor> deadsoul: what is your hardware?
[01:44] <deadsoul> hp laptop, intel core i7-2670QM (8cores) 8GB
[01:45] <xixor> deadsoul: that is a powerful machine
[01:45] <xixor> deadsoul: I'm reading up on loadavg numbers.  I'm not sure how it works out on multicore machines
[01:45] <xixor> http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages
[01:46] <deadsoul> xixor: thanks.. i'm reading it now
[01:46] <xixor> I'm on a quadcore i7 920, with 16Gb of ram.  my load avg is 0.15 0.42 0.54, but I haven't done much intensive the past little while
[01:46] <xixor> htop says I am using 1-2% of a few cores, the rest are zero
[01:46] <xixor> yet somehow the load average says I'm using half of my computer
[01:47] <xixor> so, I don't think they normalize load average per core
[01:47] <deadsoul> mine is 1.46 1.24 1.38
[01:47] <xixor> so with a quadcore, with hyperthreading, I should be able to handle a loadavg of 8, and that means that no process had to wait
[01:49] <xixor> when reading that article, keep in mind, that the OS sees hyperthreaded cores as "physical" cores, so to your computer, it probably thinks you have an octcore
[01:49] <xixor> so I beileve your load avg of 1.3 means that you are using 16% of your cpu
[01:51] <deadsoul> man.. i really wish i build a monster machine that can handle linux very easy
[01:51] <xixor> so, using uptime, my loadavg is 0.09 0.23 0.43.  If you go: man uptime, it will tell you that it is 1,5 and 15 minute intervals for that number.  These are averages
[01:51] <xixor> deadsoul: ........ you do have a monster machine, that can handle linux easily
[01:52] <deadsoul> not really
[01:52] <deadsoul> most of the time i feel the lag
[01:52] <xixor> then something is wrong with your configuration
[01:52] <xixor> you have one of the best available laptop CPUs, and a shit ton of memory
[01:53] <deadsoul> irdk
[01:54] <deadsoul> may it's because of unity? i don't know.. or the wubi
[01:55] <xixor> you're laptop CPU shoudl be capable of about 25-30% more raw horsepower than my desktop CPU right now
[01:55] <xixor> and I am running kubuntu, with all the bells and whistles, and two virtualbox VMs: one with windows7, another with debian stable. Both of the VMs are currently doing something
[01:56] <xixor> and I've got fairly low end GPU: Nvidia GTX 240, fanless
[01:58] <deadsoul> then why it is not acting as it should with me !!
[01:58] <deadsoul> i have ati 6700
[01:58] <xixor> what are the symptoms?
[01:59] <xixor> deadsoul: here is a real linux computer: http://www.xixor.net/shot1.png
[01:59] <deadsoul> and the laptop is sooo hot... ~ 62 to ~78 and sometimes even more with flash videos
[01:59] <xixor> deadsoul: that is a dual hexcore, so 12 physical cores (24 hyperthreads), with 64Gb of memory.  There I am running a numerical computation for a few days that takes 100% of all the physical cores
[02:00] <xixor> the computation is only taking up about 16Gb of ram though
[02:00] <deadsoul> LOL
[02:00] <obstank>  I am trying to run a script via /etc/ppp/ip-up.local . The script contains kdialog and xdotool commands, but in /var/log/messages it logs some Xserver (kdialog) and segfault (xdotool) error.
[02:01] <deadsoul> yesterday I had the same loading 10.something.. because i was changing the kde theme
[02:01] <deadsoul> hehehe
[02:01] <xixor> deadsoul: you might have some KDE compositing eye candy enabled that your graphics card doesn't like... I dunno
[02:01] <xixor> deadsoul: laptops will usually run hot when playing flash videos... that is pretty common
[02:02] <obstank> But if I add "export DISPLAY=:0" and "export XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority" , it works but the dialog notifications are in center without their usual look, and the program I run from the script (vuze) runs with a new profie/settings
[02:02] <xixor> deadsoul: most laptops have an algorithm to control their fanspeed that favours being quite rather than running cooler.  This is because most users complain like hell if the fan makes any noise
[02:02] <xixor> obstank: sounds like the script is trying to run as root?
[02:03] <xixor> obstank: when they run as root they are getting the appearances settings from /root/.kde/  or whatever, rahtner than /home/obstank/.kde
[02:03] <obstank> xixor: I have changed the owner to current user of the .sh file ip-up.local is linking to
[02:03] <xixor> obstank: also when they run as root they don't have the permission to display things on your Xsession screen
[02:04] <xixor> obstank: but who is starting that script.  Are you starting it as your user?  Or is another daemon or other process starting it?
[02:04] <obstank> I have edited the /etc/ppp/ip-up.local file, which has a line that starts the .sh file located in another drive. That .sh script is owned by "user:users"
[02:05] <chronos> Hello, good night. I have some two monitor setups that works fine with disper (nvidia) or kde monitors config tool. however when I start my notebook with the second monitor pluged, it automatically extends my screen to right, and I use it in left (disper -etleft) ... there is a way to configure where to extends by default?
[02:05] <obstank> so the script is being started by wvdial/pppd , which I have to run as root
[02:05] <xixor> yes, so that script is being run as root, even though the permissions say the physical file is owned by another user
[02:06] <xixor> obstank: file permissions dictate who can read/run/write a file, not which credentials will be used when the script or file is executed
[02:07] <obstank> xixor: So I should remove the "export" commands from the start of the script, and try to run wvdial/pppd as current user?
[02:08] <xixor> obstank: I'm not sure to be honest, I was just explaining why you were seeing the behaviour that you were seeing
[02:09] <xixor> obstank: What is it you are trying to do exactly?
[02:10] <obstank> xixor: exit and start vuze again (via simuating keystrokes with xdotool) after wvdial reconnects to ppp0.
[02:13] <obstank> xixor: I'll see if running wvdial as user solves the problem
[03:03] <us0r> hello, i'm trying to get seamonkey to install on kubuntu and i have been unsuccessful. does anyone here have experience with installing it?
[03:05] <xixor> what is seamonkey?
[03:05] <OerHeks> seamonkey is obsolete
[03:05] <xixor> is that firefox when it got in a spat with debian?
[03:06] <us0r> kind of, its similer to kompozer
[03:06] <OerHeks> E: Package 'seamonkey' has no installation candidate
[03:07] <us0r> i'm looking for a web text editor for kubuntu and someone here suggested sea monkey but i couldnt get it to work
[03:07] <us0r> what do you suggest?
[03:08] <OerHeks> maybe download it direct from http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
[03:09] <xixor> web text editor?
[03:11] <us0r> i downloaded it from the source site and the files that were in the zip file did not include an install. sorry, by web text editor i mean a text editor, wysiwyg or otherwise, that is designed for editing html/css/jQuery ect..
[03:12] <OerHeks> just click 'seamonkey' (not seamonkey.bin) and it should run
[03:15] <us0r> there wasnt a file labeled just 'seamonkey' they were all the tertiary program files for access while running as far as i could see
[03:15] <OerHeks> us0r, look again ( i downloaded it, and seamonkey is there)
[03:15] <us0r> should i not have unpacked the files?
[03:15] <us0r> ok i'll do it right now
[03:17] <OerHeks> yes, click the .tar, and Ark should pop up, unpack and then you can start seamonkey
[03:19] <us0r> thx. does it make a difference that its a .tar.bz2 file?
[03:19] <OerHeks> Nope, Ark can handle that archive
[03:23] <us0r> dwnloaded, extracted with Ark. when i clicked the only non bin file titled seamonkey it prompted the alert: The internal viewer cannot preview this file. maybe i am missing something else important
[03:24] <us0r> OerHeks: you said that seamonkey is obsolete. is there something better you suggest?
[03:26] <OerHeks> well, it isn't in the repo's anymore.
[03:27] <us0r> ah, i see
[03:27] <OerHeks> what do you want to do, web text editing ? maybe bluefish is what you want.
[03:28] <xixor> I love dialing wrong numbers
[03:30] <OerHeks> call yourself .. oh .. occupied again
[03:30] <us0r> i just need something like notepad++ or kompozer that i can edit web pages with, i'm open to trying any program i can get to run on kubuntu
[03:31] <OerHeks> lets see the factoids
[03:31] <OerHeks> !html
[03:32] <us0r> lol thank you ubottu, you already told me. you're a fine bot.
[03:45] <us0r> got bluefish installed and running. thx for the advice
[04:35] <rtut> Привет. Всем, а русские есть?
[04:49] <Guest92708> hello
[04:51] <zss> #ubuntu-ru
[05:03] <Mayor_Mike> hi
[05:03] <Mayor_Mike> hello?
[06:35] <myounis> Hi everyone! I've got a little question. I had installed a game 0ad. but now I've removed it. But the software update is giving me notification for installing update for that game. How can I remove that update from the software updates?
[06:48] <OerHeks> myounis, did you refresh your package list? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:58] <myounis> i did
[06:59] <myounis> OerHeks, I did
[07:01] <myounis> OerHeks but it's still there.
[07:04] <OerHeks> myounis, did you add a PPA to your sources ?  like https://launchpad.net/~wfg/+archive/0ad ?
[07:04] <myounis> nop
[07:04] <myounis> OerHeks. no i didn't
[07:04] <OerHeks> oke, strange they offer you updates...
[07:04] <OerHeks> oke, strange they offer you updates...
[07:07] <myounis> shall delete the file of 0ad from root?
[07:07] <myounis> files
[07:08] <OerHeks> Are there files left after removal ?
[07:14] <myounis> i gotto check
[07:15] <myounis> OerHeks: Where does it saves those files? There are lots of folders in there.
[07:18] <OerHeks> You asked if you should delete the file, i assumed you see files left
[07:18] <OerHeks> i don't know where 0ad was installed.
[07:19] <OerHeks> maybe there is some game data left in your ~/home/
[07:19] <OerHeks> but that cannot trigger updates.
[07:46] <ar9> how can i enable trasnparency in yakuake?
[08:09] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:26] <naught101> in 12.04, I was offered suggestions when I typed a command wrong, or if a package was missing, when working on the command line. In 12.10 I'm not. What am I missing?
[08:28] <naught101> hrm.. command-not-found IS installed
[08:28] <naught101> maybe something with bashrc?
[08:44] <naught101> never mind - reinstalled, now it works
[08:53] <Ab3L> hi
[08:54] <maxsla> ĚČ!
[08:55] <maxsla> Øèðîêàÿ ýëåêòðèôèêàöèÿ þæíûõ ãóáåðíèé äàñò ìîùíûé òîë÷îê ïîäú¸ìó ñåëüñêîãî õîçÿéñòâà.
[09:03] <Ab3L> which is the command to show a message box in kubuntu?
[10:04] <Ab3L> #kubuntu-it
[11:22] <jedihawk> are there really 265 users in here on a Sat morn?
[11:23] <yofel> no, not really
[11:24] <jedihawk> :-)
[11:24] <yofel> you can be connected here without actually being present. (take a server with quasselcore or irssi + screen for example)
[11:29] <xixor> sup
[11:29] <xixor> yep, irssi+screen for me
[11:29] <jedihawk> haven't heard of that one.
[11:30] <jedihawk> one of these days, I'll have to get me a ilfe.
[11:30] <jedihawk> naaah, this is too much fun.
[11:30] <TheLordOfTime> a lot of us are lurks :P
[11:30] <TheLordOfTime> such as me ;P
[11:31]  * TheLordOfTime uses a ZNC to lurk here (IRC bouncer), connects as he deems is useful
[11:31] <jedihawk> ooOOOooooo... TheLordOfTime is so fancy.
[11:32] <TheLordOfTime> (it allows any IRC client, basically, to work :P)
[11:32] <jedihawk> TheLordOfTime: do I call you "The Doctor"?
[11:32]  * TheLordOfTime returns to fixing things
[11:32] <jedihawk> TheLordOfTime: with your sonic screwdriver?
[11:38] <jdrs> does KGet have resume capability?
[11:42] <InspectorCluseau> jdrab, try man kget?
[11:43] <InspectorCluseau> jdrs^
[11:45] <xixor> yo, I have ubuntu 12.04 installed on a laptop.  Can I install kubuntu 12.10, from within this laptop, without burning a .ISO to dvd, or using a usb boot device, etc?
[11:46] <TheLordOfTime> xixor, in virtualbox you can, but you'll need to download the ISO.
[11:47] <TheLordOfTime> xixor, otherwise you'll need to download the image to some bootable media and install alongside.
[11:47] <TheLordOfTime> or install KDE runtime stuff for 12.04 and run inside of ubuntu 12.04
[11:47] <jedihawk> I think he means upgrade.
[11:48] <jedihawk> xixor: you can try 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' as root, but it might break stuff.
[11:49] <TheLordOfTime> jedihawk, you never know :P
[11:49] <xixor> nah, I mean doing a clean fresh install, from the .iso
[11:49] <TheLordOfTime> xixor, clean install needs external media
[11:49] <xixor> yeah, a'ight
[11:49] <jedihawk> xixor: yup, external media.
[11:49] <TheLordOfTime> so either a USB or a DVD.
[11:52] <xixor> yeah, ok
[11:53] <xixor> I've got an older thinkpad X60 that is currently running some sort of ubuntu.  Not sure if it's ubuntu, kubuntu, or lubuntu to be honest
[11:57] <xixor> I'll see if kde with low-fat settings is useable on the machine I guess
[11:57] <jedihawk> how much RAM does it have?
[11:59] <xixor> 2Gb
[11:59] <xixor> dual core intel T2400 @ 1.83Ghz, 2Gb ram
[11:59] <yofel> kde runs reasonably well on my eeePC which has 2GiB too, so it should be fine on the x60
[12:00] <xixor> yeah, cool.  I'm going to try to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 on this machine I guess
[12:01] <jedihawk> no problemo. that machine is fine.
[12:01] <jedihawk> I've got linux plus an old version of kde running on an old Toshiba with a 8th of a gig of ram (128M).
[12:01] <jedihawk> I'm not saying it runs for long, but it does run.
[12:02] <xixor> ha ha
[12:02] <xixor> sounds fun
[12:03] <yofel> hm, kde3 might actually be fine with that amount. Haven't used it in ages though
[12:12] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:13] <xixor> howdy
[13:00] <ozzzy> any good methods of rolling back a 250 package install
[13:02] <bazhang> ozzzy, roll back to what exactly
[13:02] <ozzzy> to get rid of all 250 packages
[13:03] <bazhang> ozzzy, what did you install? kubuntu-desktop ?
[13:03] <ozzzy> no... some gnome thing... it installed pretty much all of gnome
[13:04] <bazhang> so you want pure kde
[13:04] <TheLordOfTime> ozzzy:  that might just be the runtime libs btw ;P
[13:04] <ozzzy> ah well
[13:04] <ozzzy> lotsa space
[13:04] <bazhang> !purekde
[13:04] <bazhang> ozzzy, ^
[13:04] <ozzzy> tks
[13:05] <Wapireso> hi
[13:05] <ozzzy> I might try parsing ou dpkg.log to get what was just installed and then purge them in reverse order.... the lord hates a coward
[13:07] <yofel> ozzzy: /var/log/apt/history.log will tell you what was installed
[13:07] <yofel> that's easier to parse than term.log
[13:08] <ozzzy> yofel: /var/log/dpkg.log is simple to parse...
[13:09] <yofel> hm, right, forgot about that one
[13:09] <yofel> history.log will tell you what was installed together though
[13:10] <yofel> ah, you can get that out of dpkg.log too...
[13:33] <ozzzy> well... I didn't appear to have  broken anything
[13:33] <ozzzy> yet LOL
[13:33] <ozzzy> breakfast time
[13:34] <ozzzy> been told to wait
[13:35] <ozzzy> maybe I can try to find out how to get unbuntu to allow me to insert the it87 module
[13:36] <bazhang> whats the module 's exact name
[13:37] <ozzzy> it87
[13:38] <JuJuBee> I downloaded the 12.10 iso and burned to dvd but when I boot the dvd I get really bad display. http://tinypic.com/r/977byc/6 & http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6sumtu&s=6 both are flickering and moving . I redownloaded the image and tried using a Flash Drive to install but get same problem. Any thoughts?
[13:38] <bazhang> tried modprobe?
[13:38] <ozzzy> yep
[13:39] <ozzzy> device or resource busy... with mdv setting acpi_enforce_resources=lax and load it
[13:39] <ozzzy> but not with this setup
[13:39] <ozzzy> appears my grammar has gone to hell too LOL
[13:42] <jedihawk> meh, grammar doesn't matter in IRC.  Ooog, grammar not matter in IRC.
[13:43] <jedihawk> does switching to a virtual terminal work?
[14:18]  * ozzzy is back
[14:24] <mysystem_> hello i would like to know if its possible to downgrade xorg and needed depencies to version 1.12 because i read that this is the cause for the older fglrx drivers to fail
[14:35] <Peace-> mysystem_: well you can
[14:35] <Peace-> mysystem_: you should knwo which packages you need download it from packages.ubuntu.com
[14:36] <Peace-> and install them with sudo dpkg -i stuff.deb
[14:43] <xixor> !backports
[14:51] <mysystem_> ah ok thx this sounds easy
[14:52] <mysystem_> first i also found a extra ppa for these problem sudo add-apt-repository ppa:makson96/fglrx
[15:56] <MySystem> yeah working graphic driver for my old radeon hd 3xxx if someone is interessted http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-amd-catalyst-legacy-drivers-in-ubuntu-12-10-quantal.html this way works for me some some case it is usefull to completly remove the othetr installed fglrx driver
[16:02] <jared555> hello, is there any way to remove the route to 192.0.0.0 and stop it from coming back?
[16:04] <Walex2> perhaps associated with a virtual machine setup, but most likely you put it in somewhere.
[16:15] <jared555> it is a 12.10 install of kubuntu pulling networking info from dhcp
[16:15] <MySystem> ok graphic driver works but i have a big problem with 3d games i only get 1 picture and the next picture i get is when i pull another window in foreground of the 3d window
[16:26] <MySystem> ok update it affects only non fullscreen windows anyone any idea?
[16:28] <leo_> hi
[16:28] <leo_> i can't install nebeans in kubuntu 12.04 /opt dir
[16:29] <MySystem> my first thought is do you have write rights
[16:30] <BluesKaj> trying to stream video on the local network with VLC ...I need some pointers ...#vlc isn't responsive
[16:30] <leo_> when installing the netbeans it shows the /opt dir is read only
[16:31] <MySystem> do you install from package source or download from netbeans ?
[16:31] <notze> yeah man
[16:31] <notze> now im on kubuntu
[16:31] <notze> after fucking preinstalled windows
[16:32] <BluesKaj> notze, no need for the F word or anything like it here
[16:32] <IdleOne> !language | notze
[16:33] <leo_> but when running as root the netbeans installation script its showing "no protocol specified" and gets a nullpointer exception in main thread
[16:34] <MySystem> do you know the folder the install script or so wants to create ?
[16:34] <MySystem> leo_
[16:34] <leo_> MySystem:hi
[16:35] <leo_> MySystem:i copied the netbeans script in /opt dir
[16:35] <leo_> MySystem:and run the command sh netbeans<version>.sh
[16:36] <leo_> MySystem:then the gui popups and ask for installation dir
[16:37] <leo_> MySystem: then i give the dir as /opt/netbeans/
[16:37] <MySystem> have to go short afk be back in 10 min sry my wife needs help
[16:37] <MySystem> my first idea is cr4eate a subfolder in /opt with sudo /opt/netbeans and then sudo chmod -R o+rwx /opt/netbeans then try again installation
[16:37] <leo_> MySystem: but the gui shows "the specified installation dir id read only"
[16:38] <MySystem> hope the commands are right if not the other here can correct short afk
[16:39] <leo_> MySystem: ok let me try that one
[16:45] <leo_> MySystem: thanks it worked
[16:47] <MySystem> nice for information chmod -R o+rwx changes permissions for the folder , content and subfolders for others to read write and execute
[16:48] <leo_> MySystem: thanks for the info
[16:56] <robtygart> The new Nvidia GeForce R310 (I think that is the one) that just came out, will it be in the package manger yet? I am using 12.10.
[16:56] <robtygart> How do I get it I am asking?
[16:57] <goga> hi guys. which one is kde developers chat?
[16:57] <robtygart> goga join #kubuntu-devel
[16:58] <goga> ty
[18:15] <hornet> hi everyone
[18:15] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> hornet: hi
[18:16] <hornet> i ve got a stupid question, and probably will not find an anwer here )
[18:17] <phoenix_firebrd> hornet: ok
[18:17] <hornet> anyway: my girlfriend complayning the background image dissapears after grub2 menu choise
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> hornet: It happens for me too
[18:18] <hornet> i have searched about 4 hours to find solution.. but i'l not successfull to find it or stupid enough to miss it )
[18:18] <Graf_Westerholt> hornet, you could set the boologo as the same image as the Grub2-background-image.
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> hornet:  I am assuming that you are talking about the grub background, am i right?
[18:20] <hornet> yeap, but there is a pause, between grub menu and a startup splash
[18:20] <hornet> during this the screen is blank
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> hornet: you get a black screen>
[18:20] <hornet> exalty
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> hornet: The same happens here
[18:21] <GH0> How can I find a package listing under the Ubuntu sources? I am getting mixed reports that there is a 4.2 for kvirc on the package, sources, but when I went to install it, I grabbed 4.1.3.
[18:22] <hornet> i dont want to patch and recompile kernel. i trust there is a simpler way
[18:22] <phoenix_firebrd> GH0: version of kvirc in repos is 4.1.3
[18:23] <phoenix_firebrd> GH0: The 4.2 version might be in the backports or in some ppa
[18:28] <hornet> so few bots is all live life here ?
[18:37] <sergey_> ничего не понимаю
[18:38] <MySystem> for russian try #kubuntu-ru (hope this channel exists
[19:01] <Renegade15> good evening
[19:01] <Renegade15> is there a known issue with the latest flash player update?
[19:02] <Renegade15> ever since I updated, full screen videos have very bad performance
[19:11] <hornet__> hey everyone
[19:11] <hornet__> is there someone alive ?
[19:12] <hornet__> sad
[19:13] <robtygart> Hello hornet_:
[19:46] <GH0> be right back, server restart
[20:21] <simplew> how can i put the plasma panel in mac style like apperes in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp88AEENW5E&noredirect=1
[20:23] <robtygart> simplew: that is Cairo Dock
[20:23] <robtygart> look in the software center
[20:24] <simplew> softare center?
[20:24] <robtygart> your on kubuntu right?
[20:24] <robtygart> Application>System> Moun Softwere Center.
[20:25] <robtygart> soory muon*
[20:26] <robtygart> lol wow typos all over for me sorry*
[20:30] <simplew> robtygart: ah muon
[20:30] <simplew> robtygart: why is it called muon?
[20:31] <robtygart> its the name of the software center, Ubuntu uses a different one
[20:31] <robtygart> or Package manager
[20:35] <robtygart> simplew: after downloading it, you should be able to log out and log choose a different session.
[20:39] <simplew> robtygart: i cant report a bug for network-manager, not even in launchpad, so how is possible to report bugs in network-manager?
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, what's this about not being able to file a bug?
[20:39] <OerHeks> FYI: Muon originate from religious texts such as the Quran, the Bible, the Bhagavadgītā, and so forth, it is shortened of a religious expression such as "Favored of God".
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, did you try `ubuntu-bug network-manager` in command-line?
[20:40] <simplew> TheLordOfTime: i did
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> and?
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> any error messages?
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> did you also try using this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+filebug
[20:41] <simplew> TheLordOfTime: no, it only opens firefox window, nothing more
[20:41] <robtygart> I don't understand? You wanted to add the mac style panel like in the video. Right?
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, does that window tell you to wait, or prompt you for information
[20:41] <simplew> TheLordOfTime: how did you manage to get that link?
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, i'm epic?
[20:41] <simplew> TheLordOfTime: now doesnt, im in raring
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, no, but i'm bug control, i need to know how to reach the 'file bug' window for $given_package pretty easily
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, does that link i gave you open up righit?
[20:43] <OerHeks> for raring you should join #ubuntu+1
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> and what OerHeks said :P
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, /join #ubuntu+1
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> OerHeks, although, asking "What's the link to file a bug for [package]?" is relevant everywhere ;)
[20:43]  * TheLordOfTime yawns as he realizes his computer is on the verge of burning
[20:44] <yofel> append ?no-redirect to that ^ URL if you're not in bug control
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> ah right
[20:44] <yofel> simplew: and I'm pretty sure I gave you a link yesterday that already explained that...
[20:44]  * TheLordOfTime keeps forgetting that
[20:44] <ozzzy> any compiling gurus here
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> ozzzy, define "compiling gurus"
[20:45] <simplew> TheLordOfTime: in raring ubuntu-bug isnt working ok
[20:45] <ozzzy> look at an error and try to tell me what buggered up
[20:45] <ozzzy> LOL
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> simplew, #ubuntu+1
[20:45] <simplew> yofel: sorry, i missed that part
[20:45] <yofel> ozzzy: try us
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> ozzzy, you gave us no error information?
[20:45] <simplew> TheLordOfTime: im there
[20:46] <yofel> simplew: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net
[20:46] <ozzzy> Making all in libhalf
[20:46] <ozzzy> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ozzzy/Downloads/cinepaint/libhalf'
[20:46] <ozzzy> /bin/bash: LIBTOOL@: command not found
[20:46] <ozzzy> make[1]: *** [eLut] Error 127
[20:46] <ozzzy> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ozzzy/Downloads/cinepaint/libhalf'
[20:46] <ozzzy> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[20:47] <TheLordOfTime> !pastebin | ozzzy
[20:47] <TheLordOfTime> yofel, got a few for a privmsg?
[20:47] <ozzzy> right on
[20:48] <yofel> simplew: please add the release you're on and the exact version of the package you're using to the bug (apt-cache policy output for example)
[20:48] <yofel> TheLordOfTime: sure
[20:48] <OerHeks> ozzzy, maybe this build page is any help with depencies > http://www.cinepaint.org/more/docs/build.html
[20:49] <ozzzy> all the dependencies have been fulfilled
[20:49] <OerHeks> sorry dependencies, i keep typing it wrong
[20:50] <ozzzy> spelling is only important in source code
[20:50] <ozzzy> LOL
[20:50] <simplew> yofel, TheLordOfTime: could you guyes comment the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1077471
[20:51] <TheLordOfTime> uh...
[20:51] <TheLordOfTime> what do you expect us to comment on?
[20:51]  * TheLordOfTime is on Precise, and isn't even IRC-ing from a LInux system right now
[20:52] <simplew> TheLordOfTime: your full of atitude
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> anyone else think i'm showing attitude?
[20:52] <yofel> simplew: calm down a bit...
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> i don't see "attitude" in my post stating "what're you looking for in terms of comments"
[20:53] <TheLordOfTime> since that's really all i'm asking, and i'm just stating what i'm using :P
[20:53] <simplew> yofel: im calm, im simply trying to help by reporting existing problems, i would not expect someline a "uh..." and a "what do you expect us to comment on?" and that i now should have to guess if peooooopl are in linux are not, and that i should expect people not being friendly
[20:53] <yofel> btw: it's not a network-manager bug IMO but one in plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:54] <OerHeks> simplew, if we were running raring, we could.
[20:54] <yofel> simplew: did he *ever* confirm the bug to you? (I know *I* did)
[20:54] <simplew> yofel: its stated in the bug report that this bug exists the same in quantal
[20:54] <robtygart> I would like to know what this question is. It went from "how can i put the plasma panel in mac style like apperes in this video " To fileing a bug report
[20:54] <simplew> i mean OerHeks
[20:55] <yofel> simplew: quantal and raring have the exact same NM and PNM versions, so that's likely
[20:55] <simplew> yofel: it wasnt for you, it was an snwer to OerHeks, sorry
[20:56] <simplew> yofel: still thanks to pointing that
[20:56] <yofel> ah
[20:56] <yofel> but back to what I said, If I restart NM, the plasma widget shows ghost entries, BUT 'nmcli dev' doesn't
[20:57] <simplew> yofel: it can indeed be on knetwork-manager fault
[21:01] <coffeina> hi
[21:03] <OerHeks> hi coffeina
[21:06] <ozzzy> getting closer ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1348976/
[21:24] <Omar> hi every body, If I haev windows installed, and then have installed kubuntu on a partition in the same machine, how to uninstall kubuntu and get back It's partition to windows one ?
[21:25] <OerHeks> Omar, boot the windows dvd, repair the mbr, then you can delete all non-windows partitions and re-use it.
[21:27] <Omar> ok thank you Oerheks, but can you please be more precise, how to repeair the mbr ?
[21:29] <OerHeks> Omar, when you boot the dvd, it will ask to install windows, or the second option repair.
[21:29] <Omar> Ok I understand :) thank you a lot :)
[21:29] <OerHeks> have fun :-)
[21:30] <Omar> oh just one more question, am i going to lose my windows files If I do It ?
[21:38] <BluesKaj> Omar, no , as long as you have a separate partition for kubuntu setup , the kubuntu installer can guide you
[21:48] <yofel> ozzzy: looks like some missing link flags
[21:48] <yofel> the linker defaults have changed in the last years, so maybe that source wasn't updated
[22:08] <kubuntu> Hi
[22:08] <Guest9475> greestings from Colombia
[22:08] <Guest9475> Hi
[22:08] <Guest9475> Greetings from Colombia
[22:08] <Guest9475> Im a complete newbie Linux user
[22:09] <Guest9475> How may I install flashplayer here
[22:09] <Guest9475> Im using Kubuntgu
[22:15] <brad_> how do I get telepathy to work with facebook I get authentication error
[22:15] <simplew> JontheEchidna: ping
[22:27] <thechef> Wow, Kubuntu 12.04 with backport is really getting awesome. Constantly improving FPS, now having 30 fps when switching between windows using window gallery, also observed on 7 years old intel centrino laptop.
[22:27] <kubuntu_> Hi everyone, I was looking about compatibility between kubuntu 12.10 and my laptop dell xps 15z, but i just found a nice manual for 12.04 and few older (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Laptops/Dell/XPS/15z), someone knows if i'll have some extra problem with 12.10 ? or maybe some less manual config to do ...
[22:28] <thechef> i mean on eee 701!
[22:32] <avihay> damn, I really want to upgrade to 4.9.3 but I was waiting for them to post about package availability, now I'm on a pay per usage connection :-<
[22:34] <xixor> sup
[22:34] <xixor> thechef:  how do you measure the FPS?
[22:35] <thechef> xixor: in kwin settings there is plugin for that
[22:36] <xixor> cool.  I've got all the eye candy enabled, and my fps is 60
[22:40] <dreambox> Guys how do I switch from KDE to Unity?
[22:40] <dreambox> ( I just installed the ubuntu-desktop package but dont know how to go there)
[22:41] <xixor> you log out, and when you log in, select Unity desktop as the session you want to start
[22:45] <bradlee_> trying to get microsoft office keyboard special keys to work
[22:47] <bradlee_> maybe I should use console-setup???
[22:51] <bradlee_> ckbkomp microsoftoffice cannot find file symbols/microsoftoffice
[23:03] <robtygart> bradlee_: see system settings> Short cuts & Gestures and set up some short cuts
[23:04] <robtygart> that might not be the answer your looking for
[23:04] <robtygart> But that is how I have been setting up my special keys
[23:04] <bradlee_> thats fine, but certain keys, when I press them, the shortcuts don't respond.
[23:05] <robtygart> I am going to look at mine.
[23:05] <bradlee_> yes I actually did that already, thanks that's good advice anyways
[23:05] <bradlee_> there's like an application key on the microsoft office keyboard designed to emulate "alt-tab"
[23:05] <robtygart> maybe I can get mine setup too, I really don't think about using them
[23:06] <bradlee_> I wanted to do that, but it doesn't sense that key.
[23:06] <bradlee_> I tried xev which doesn't respond to application key
[23:06] <bradlee_> paste, cut, copy work
[23:08] <bradlee_> I think the fix is with setxbmap...maybe???
[23:09] <robtygart> I have like 4 keys that will not work
[23:09] <bradlee_> should there be data files in /usr/share/X11/xkb for microsoftoffice?
[23:09] <robtygart> microsoftoffice?
[23:10] <bradlee_> yes, if you look at the /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst it mentions that keyboard
[23:11] <ozzzy> yofel: quite possible... cinepaint has been out of maintenance for a bit but is supposed to be coming back
[23:11] <bradlee_> and /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml among others
[23:12] <bradlee_> http://paste.kde.org/603500/
[23:12] <robtygart> bradlee_ look in Settings > Input devices change keboard model
[23:13] <bradlee_> yup did that
[23:13] <bradlee_> now I will go to global keyboard shortcuts
[23:14] <bradlee_> I will pick kwin
[23:15] <robtygart> mine still will not allow the other keys :-(
[23:16] <bradlee_> does keyboard shortcuts talk to x.org?
[23:17] <robtygart> Don't know.
[23:19] <robtygart> maybe someone will chime in.
[23:19] <simplew> following debian versioning policy a source foo-0.1_rc1.tar.gz would be packaged like what?
[23:19] <em> is there any open source software with which one could make electronic dance music? Like a foss version of fruit loops?
[23:23] <bradlee_> http://www.osalt.com/search?q=fruit+loops
[23:23] <yofel> simplew: something like 0.1~rc1-0 optionally append ubuntu1 or whatever
[23:23] <simplew> yofel: i dont get the ~ usage
[23:24] <yofel> 0.1~rc1 is smaller than 0.1, the ~ lowers the version
[23:24] <yofel> 0.1-rc1 would be >> 0.1, so you mustn't use that
[23:24] <yofel> otherwise apt won't auto-update
[23:24] <yofel> lemme fetch the rules for that
[23:25] <simplew> yofel: instead why not 0.1-0.rc1.1 ?   thats how we used to use in mandriva
[23:25] <yofel> simplew: here's the full explenation fo a debian version, (EPOCH:upstream_version-debian_rev) http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[23:26] <yofel> simplew: that's still 0.1
[23:26] <simplew> this way 0.1-1 > 0.1-0.rc1.1
[23:26] <simplew> ok let me read that
[23:26] <yofel> yes, but everything after the - is the packaging revision
[23:26] <yofel> so 1.0- is the software 1.0 release
[23:26] <yofel> 1.0~rc1- is rc1
[23:27] <simplew> yofel: but having 0.1~rc1  its also putting rc1 as release right?
[23:27] <yofel> yes
[23:28] <yofel> there is 'dpkg --compare-versions' to check if you understand it right. See manpage on how to use it. The exit status is the return
[23:28] <simplew> yofel: so it would be the same as having 0.1-0.rc.1
[23:29] <yofel> well, you can only upload ONE 1.0.orig.tar.gz
[23:29] <yofel> the upstream tarball has the only contain the upstream_version in it's name
[23:30] <yofel> *has to
[23:30] <simplew> yofel: but putting the version as 0.1~rc1 will put foo-0.1~rc1,tar,gz
[23:30] <yofel> so 1.0-0.rc1 would be 1.0.orig.tar.gz, if you then package 1.0-1 enjoy fixing the mess you're in
[23:30] <yofel> exactly
[23:31] <yofel> that's why it's usually done that way
[23:32] <simplew> but since it will have attached .orig in source package i dont get why using ~  but ok, i get that its defined that way and that will be equivalent to 0.1-0.rc1.1
[23:32] <yofel> simplew: well, does the author intend to do any changes between 1.0-rc1 and 1.0?
[23:33] <yofel> er
[23:33] <yofel> 0.1
[23:33] <simplew> yofel: if i did made a source with rc1 i think so, but im not the author
[23:33] <yofel> if you go with 0.1-0.rc1.1, the .orig tarball has to be exactly the change
[23:33] <yofel> *same
[23:34] <simplew> yofel: im packaging knetworkmanager form git butits requirng packages that dont exist in ubuntu, (still i have already these new packages in another distro), can i package theese for kubuntu as new packager in a experimental base?
[23:35] <simplew> yofel: no, ill use the debian policy since im in ubuntu :)
[23:35] <yofel> sure
[23:36] <yofel> I don't remember networkmanagement having any more deps though recently
[23:36] <simplew> yofel: it does
[23:36] <yofel> and we already have 0.9.0.5 in the archive
[23:36] <simplew> yofel: thats old
[23:36] <yofel> wait, are you talking about networkmanagement or knetworkmanager? We don't use the latter
[23:36] <simplew> yofel: its the same
[23:37] <simplew> networkmanagement its the kde backend for networkmanager, aka knetworkmanager
[23:38] <simplew> yofel: and this 2 packages that KNM requires already have almostone year old
[23:38] <simplew> yofel: this isnt a recent change, you can check KNM git log
[23:39] <jedihawk> anyone have any experience with gdisk? or gptfdisk?
[23:39] <yofel> simplew: we are both talking about http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git right?
[23:40] <yofel> simplew: aaaaaah
[23:40] <simplew> yofel: [23:37:19] <simplew> networkmanagement its the kde backend for networkmanager, aka knetworkmanager
[23:40] <yofel> simplew: you're packaging master
[23:40] <simplew> yofel: so yes
[23:40] <yofel> we have the 0.9 branch in kubuntu
[23:40] <yofel> sorry, it's almost 1AM and I'm kinda tired
[23:41] <yofel> simplew: yeah, libnm and libmm aren't packaged yet
[23:41] <yofel> only in project-neon
[23:41] <simplew> yofel: i dont get what you mean by "we have the 0.9 branch in kubuntu", what branch is that? is that a copy from networkmanagement git branch 0.9?
[23:41] <yofel> well, we have 0.9.0.5, which is the last release off that branch
[23:42] <simplew> theres a branch named nm09
[23:42] <yofel> right
[23:42] <simplew> but in master this change requiring these new packaes its almost one year old
[23:42] <yofel> simplew: i.e. http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.de/2012/09/plasma-nm-0905.html is what we have
[23:42] <yofel> sure, but we don't package master, so we don't have a need for those 2
[23:43] <yofel> there was never an official release for PNM that uses them
[23:43] <simplew> PNM?
[23:43] <yofel> plasma-nm, i.e. KNM
[23:43] <yofel> but nobody calls it knm these days
[23:43] <simplew> yofel: about that im not sure, i have been using from git
[23:44] <simplew> still those packages dont exist in ubuntu, and sooner or later they will be needed
[23:44] <simplew> yofel: so can i package them?
[23:44] <yofel> sure
[23:44] <simplew> yofel: and where do i do that? uplaod where? how?
[23:44] <yofel> package them, put them in a PPA, file a bug and then request sponsorship
[23:44] <drbobb> okay so it seems that I just figured out what to do to make use of my bluetooth adapter: 'hciconfig hci0 up; pkill -HUP bluetoothd' seems to do it
[23:44] <simplew> yofel: sponsorship?
[23:45] <drbobb> question is, why should I need to jump through those hoops?
[23:45] <simplew> yofel: dont i need commit rights in launchpad for that? dont i need someone allow me comit rights?
[23:46] <yofel> simplew: it's a matter of namespace. you may commit stuff in bzr under your ~username namespace. either in lp:~username/<project>/<branch> or lp:~username/+junk/<branch> if you have no project
[23:46] <yofel> you can also create PPA's, where you can upload to
[23:46] <yofel> for the ubuntu *archive* you will need to apply for permissions, yes.
[23:46] <simplew> yofel: thats all new to me... can you help me with those steps?
[23:47] <yofel> as a beginner you'll need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[23:47] <yofel> simplew: sure
[23:47] <yofel> simplew: do you have an SSH and PGP key? (ssh for bzr, pgp or packages)
[23:47] <simplew> yofel: i have a launchpad account, now i need to package the apps, then i need to upload them in my launchpad, and then?
[23:48] <simplew> yofel: ill first package the apps, and let me read that link :)