[13:56] <head_victim> jea: meeting tomorrow night?
[13:56] <jea> yes, it is supposed to be tomorrow
[13:57] <jea> not sure how many will turn up - i didn't get around to emailing due to uni exams
[13:59] <head_victim> I started a new teaching period last week and forgot all about it
[14:01] <jea> yeah. I will try to send stuff out in the morning quickly
[14:02] <head_victim> I should be at the keyboard tomorrow night either way
[14:02] <head_victim> I have to get a start on the assessment pieces.
[14:03] <jea> Ok. I think I should be around also
[14:10] <ikt> :o
[14:11] <head_victim> Evening ikt 
[14:11] <ikt> heya :)
[14:24] <ikt> meeting tomorrow night
[14:31] <head_victim> Yep, hoping we don't dwindle further
[14:48] <ikt> How do we compare to other teams?
[14:48] <ikt> is there a way to measure
[14:49] <head_victim> ikt: not really, most teams cycle through activity/inactivity from what I can work out.
[14:49] <ikt> I would like to compare ourselves to other countries like America and the UK
[14:49] <ikt> but we have such a sparse population
[14:49] <head_victim> Unfortunately it appears we're not achieving a whole lot lately.
[14:50] <ikt> it's true
[14:50] <ikt> but it's incredibly difficult to turn it around
[14:50] <ikt> looking at America's Logo's there's only 10 that are 'approved' by Ubuntu
[14:51] <ikt> and 2 are ubuntu canada and ubuntu quebec
[14:51] <ikt> so in a country with 300 million people they have 8 teams
[14:52] <sagaci> so in australia we should have around 0.8 of a team
[14:52] <ikt> lol
[14:52] <ikt> i can't put my finger on what it is
[14:52] <ikt> but the ubuntu forums has the same problem
[14:52] <head_victim> I'd be happy to see one or two real world events a cycle + release parties and then we'd be achieving things.
[14:52] <ikt> it's not necessarily dying, it's just not a community that I remember it
[14:53] <ikt> the ubuntu begineers team had a massive thing going for it
[14:53] <ikt> and then people started resigning
[14:53] <ikt> and now it's dead :/
[14:53] <head_victim> Basically teams pop up when people have time for them and go when the handful of active people go.
[14:54] <head_victim> The hard part is getting a group of people to be active for longer periods of time and to grow the number.
[14:54] <ikt> it's interesting though, at work I know 3-4 guys who use ubuntu
[14:55] <ikt> and steam coming to ubuntu sparked a bit of discussion
[14:55] <ikt> even a few windows users were asking about it
[14:55] <ikt> but i just don't see any of them committing to a team and actively promoting it :(
[14:56] <ikt> wtb australian jono bacon 
[15:02] <ikt> oh
[15:02] <ikt> btw head_victim, did you see my argument with paul gear on whirlpool?
[15:03] <ikt> or is it sagaci on wp
[15:05] <head_victim> ikt: nope sorry, link?
[15:06] <head_victim> ikt: that's really the crux of the loco issue. Ubuntu is making penetration into the marketplace but it's now something that people see as a tool rather than THEIR tool. It's grown to be something someone else does and others just USE it.
[15:10] <ikt> yeah exactly
[15:10] <ikt> and no link, all 40 posts got deleted
[15:10] <ikt> was over the ubuntu 12.10 amazon search results issue
[15:12] <head_victim> Ah, personally opt in works better for me but then again, it's not my decision to take.
[15:13] <ikt> I wish they'd made it a separate tab
[15:13] <ikt> http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2012/11/09/product-search-in-ubuntu-12-10/
[15:13] <ikt> is from the former Technical Lead of Ubuntu Security Team
[15:13] <ikt> paul was quite upset
[15:14] <ikt> saying that the amazon search is a keylogger
[15:14] <ikt> and adware
[15:14] <ikt> and spyware etc
[15:14] <ikt> I was saying it isn't that bad
[15:14] <ikt> it's no worse than a google search
[15:14] <ikt> but he just kept going on about it
[15:17] <sagaci> I don't use the dash
[15:17] <head_victim> Yeah I saw either that article or another one summarising it the other day
[15:17] <head_victim> I really only use the dash for file searching when I don't use the file often
[15:19] <ikt> yeah same
[15:24] <head_victim> Ah well, I hate to leave the most conversation in here in a long time but I need to get back to my strategy assignment. Apparently Porter's 5 forces model is worth reading.
[15:24] <ikt> that's cool, have fun :)
[22:21] <sagaci> meeting on tonight
[22:45] <Noskcaj> sagaci: what time?
[22:46] <sagaci> 9pm nsw/vic time
[23:00] <Noskcaj> ok