[00:04] <bdmurray> mspencer: I would just choose and modify it later if needed
[00:04] <bdmurray> mspencer: rather than hold up your work waiting for feedback
[00:07] <mspencer> Thank you, that's what I'll do.
[00:08] <bdmurray> mspencer: if you have something you'd like reviewed I'd be happy to do that
[00:09] <mspencer> I'm not ready yet, I'm trying to figure out the code needed to save an apport report.
[01:57] <mspencer> If I have questions a bug fix should work, specifically LP #657275, where should I ask?
[01:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657275 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug should save reports offline automatically rather than giving a cryptic error message" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657275
[02:02] <mspencer> Oops, I meant if I have questions on how a bug fix should work, specifically LP #657275, where should I ask?
[02:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657275 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug should save reports offline automatically rather than giving a cryptic error message" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657275
[12:39] <njin> Hallo, wich app is responsible to grab the info from Disks, or to monitor the smart parameters, and advice onscreen in case of imminent failure of the disk ?
[12:44] <persia> udisks handles the low-level stuff.  I'm not sure about the UI.
[12:45] <penguin42> perhaps smart-notifier?
[12:46] <persia> I don't think so: that's not included by default in any products and seems to use smartmontools as a backend rather than udisks.
[12:46] <penguin42> persia: Does udisks do it itself or does it use smartd in smartmontools?
[12:46] <persia> I suspect there's something that subscribes to udisks DBus output and does something: I just don't know what.
[13:03] <persia> penguin42: Sorry: missed your last comment: udisks appears to have code that communicates SMART directly.
[13:04] <njin> well, but I've got a bug with Disks reporting the imminent failure, but nothing advicing me onscreen
[13:05] <njin> just luck that disks was open at that time
[13:06] <persia> njin: In that case, maybe there is no default consumer providing notifications.
[13:06] <persia> Maybe ask the desktop team for whichever flavour you use.
[13:08] <njin> ok, will ask on #unity then, thanks again
[13:08] <persia> njin: Heh: yeah, they ought to have something, but if it's not ready yet, #ubuntu-desktop might have something from GNOME that can work until it's ready.
[14:01] <penguin42> ah
[16:14] <fermulator> Trying to install Ubuntu Server 12, fails 75% of the way into base-install with error " "Unable to install busybox-initramfs""
[16:19] <njin> fermulator, have you verified md5sum ?
[16:21] <fermulator> good idea; running
[16:23] <fermulator> verified
[16:23] <fermulator> njin
[16:26] <fermulator> the last msgs in log is: unexpected error: command not executed 'sh -c debconf-apt-progress --no-progress --logtderr -- apt-get -q -y --no-remove intall busybxo-initramfsssss
[16:26] <penguin42> has it really got all those sss's ?
[16:27] <fermulator> no
[16:27] <penguin42> good :-)
[16:27] <fermulator> :) my 's' iz buzted
[16:27] <penguin42> fermulator: Can you pastebin the full logs?
[16:27] <fermulator> penguin42 -- how?  itz in zingle uzer mode...
[16:28] <penguin42> is the network up?
[16:28] <fermulator> it failed during baze inztall; no terminal; no ifconfig
[16:29] <fermulator> very bazic functionality; network iz up though (ping www.google.ca iz alive!)
[16:29] <penguin42> fermulator: Will it let you apt-get inztall pastebinit
[16:30] <fermulator> apt-get not found
[16:30] <penguin42> oh that's a pain
[16:30] <fermulator> ooo, wget iz available
[16:31] <fermulator> zearching for .deb for paztebin
[16:33] <penguin42> fermulator: Failing that it might let you scp it to another machine
[16:33] <fermulator> scp not found
[16:33] <penguin42> bah
[16:36] <fermulator> weird; i DLed paztebinit; it was a tar; extracted;
[16:36] <fermulator> there'z a pastebinit bin; cant exec though
[16:37] <penguin42> fermulator: OK, if you can't get it off, look for any other interesting errors
[16:40] <fermulator> ok fruztrated; i finally got it; but don't have python! heh
[16:40] <fermulator> it alzo failed to inztall dmraid
[16:41] <fermulator> (thiz iz a dezktop w/ 2x160GB WD drivez, with motherboard ZATA RAID
[16:41] <fermulator> during the inztall, it detected it, and i zaid "yez" to activate
[16:42] <fermulator> warning: /usr/lib/post-baze-inztaller.d/60dmraid returned error code 1
[16:42] <penguin42> yeh don't know much about dmraid
[16:43] <fermulator> f it; going to put it back to AHCI and zwitch to zoftware RAID then
[16:43] <fermulator> ztoopid ;o
[16:43] <penguin42> nod
[16:52] <fermulator> that didn't work either (have been booting off a UZB key) -- revertting to CD Ubuntu zerver 12.10
[16:56]  * TheLordOfTime wonders whether your "S" and "Z" keys are inverted on your computer
[16:57] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: See 16:27 :-)
[16:57] <penguin42> (16:27:20) fermulator: :) my 's' iz buzted
[16:57] <TheLordOfTime> i see him using "s" later on, at times, so...
[17:00] <fermulator> ya zometimez i'll make it work; itz weird zorry
[17:00] <fermulator> mizzing laptop keyz ; replacementz are in the mail!
[17:01] <fermulator> \(the GF dropped it :(
[17:01] <njin> fermulator, are you meaning that from cd works and from usb not ?
[17:04] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, i assume 16:27 is UTC?
[17:05] <fermulator> njin; nope; CD and UZB both failed when trying to uze DMRAID.  I've revertted back to AHCI mode, and mdadm RAID; worked
[17:07] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: Yeh
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> to confirm my brain's working:
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1077449  <-- needs filing against the kernel?
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1077449 in nautilus-share (Ubuntu) "Modem doesn't work in 12.04 3.2.0-32-generic (#51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 26 21:33:09 UTC 2012)" [Undecided,New]
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1077442  <-- needs filing against gnome-shell?
[20:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1077442 in Ubuntu "In Right-to-Left interface, GNOME Shell behave incorrectly." [Undecided,New]
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> (from the announce channel)
[20:58] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, alive?
[22:48] <mspencer> When I'm working on a bug that involves new behavior, who do I communicate with to decide exactly how it will work?
[22:50] <mspencer> The bug is LP #657275. Should I ask how this should work on #ubuntu-devel, on one of the developers mailing lists, or what?
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657275 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug should save reports offline automatically rather than giving a cryptic error message" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657275
[22:51] <mspencer> I've asked twice on #ubuntu-devel around this time the past couple of days and haven't gotten an answer. Is that not a good place to ask?
[23:48] <MrStein> What component would be correct for a bug "ubuntu freezes when run in vmware" ?  this is about bug 1077440
[23:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1077440 in Ubuntu "Quantal as vmware guest hang" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077440
[23:49] <MrStein> kernel?
[23:50] <penguin42> hmm I think the finding-the-right package thing says for installation hangs doesn't it
[23:51] <penguin42> MrStein: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#When_installing_Ubuntu_.28or_Derivatives.29
[23:51] <MrStein> I'll set "kernel" then. Thanks.
[23:51] <penguin42> MrStein: From that I'd say Ubiquity - I mean it's very difficult to actually say if it's kernel or vmware at fault
[23:52] <MrStein> kernel says "too many matches" :(
[23:52] <penguin42> MrStein: 'linux' is the package for kernel stuff
[23:52] <MrStein> is "linux-kernel" ok?
[23:53] <penguin42> erm I thought itt was just called Linux
[23:53] <penguin42> (the package that is)
[23:53] <MrStein> There is no package named 'linux-kernel' published in Ubuntu.
[23:53] <penguin42> hence why I said    linux
[23:53] <MrStein> WTF? I selected it from the presented list
[23:53] <MrStein> ok, I'll put just "linux"