[12:12] <TheLordOfTime> is there any way to force-ignore this error?  since the package is heading to a PPA.  dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address  (and i'm not supposed to change the Maintainer: field)
[12:12] <tumbleweed> TheLordOfTime: I think persia is giving you pretty good advice in #ubuntu-packaging
[12:13] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed:  which is going against what's already in palce on my system
[12:13] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed:  i've had DEBEMAIL set for my @ubuntu.com email for the past 6 months.  otherwise, the system can't ID what signing key to use.
[12:13] <tumbleweed> TheLordOfTime: there are only two solutions, and he's suggested both of them
[16:34] <Laney> mfisch: merci
[18:02] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: I set DEBSIGN_KEYID to an explicit key ID in ~/.devscripts, rather than having debsign work it out from my e-mail address.  You could do that.
[18:02] <obounaim> Hello
[18:02] <TheLordOfTime> true, i'll have to set that next time i stab my .devscripts
[18:03] <TheLordOfTime> i'll do that later this evening, after i replace a few componetns in my system.
[18:03] <obounaim> Why http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/raring/ does not show http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23619677
[18:05] <jtaylor> probably because its tagged kfreebsd
[18:48] <obounaim> jtaylor, thanks.
[18:49] <obounaim> To upload a source package to a ppa, does it have to be signed, I want to test if a debian source package builds correctly on amd64?
[18:50] <TheLordOfTime> obounaim, you still need to sign the package with a GPG key that is on launchpad.
[18:50] <TheLordOfTime> for it to work with PPAs.
[18:50] <TheLordOfTime> (even if the architecture is amd64 only)
[18:52] <obounaim> How can I do that without modifying  the changelog
[18:53] <TheLordOfTime> out of curiosity, what "package" are you test-building?
[18:54] <obounaim> gfarm2fs
[18:54] <TheLordOfTime> this for a bugfix or something?
[18:56] <obounaim> I want to see if syncing the new version from Debian will fix an existing bug in Ubuntu #837317
[18:56] <obounaim> I have an i386 Ubuntu on my machine so I want to use a ppa to see if it builds correctly on amd64
[18:57]  * TheLordOfTime checks something
[18:58] <TheLordOfTime> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gfarm2fs/+builds
[18:58] <TheLordOfTime> looks like somewhere along the line it built for all archs
[18:58] <TheLordOfTime> any specific Ubuntu verison you're looking at?
[18:59] <TheLordOfTime> (also, that bug you posted, its "Fix Released" for Oneiric)
[18:59] <TheLordOfTime> s/posted/referenced/
[19:01] <obounaim> I agree the current version in Ubuntu builds on all version, What I am trying to do is to see if the new version of the package in Debian fixes the  #837317 bug
[19:02] <obounaim> in order to drop Ubuntu changes and sync the new version of Debian, or if the build fails do a merge
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> ah.
[19:03] <TheLordOfTime> well i've done test-ports myself of $various_debian_packages, and modified thechangelogs for one of my testing PPAs.
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> working on php5.4.x ports from Debian to Precise right now for a PPA of mine, same concept.
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> just create a changelog entry saying no-changes build-test from Debian or something.
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> unless the MOTUs say that's bad
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> or someone who's higher up the food chain than me :P
[19:04] <obounaim> So there is now way to sign a source package without changing the changelog
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> that's not what i said?
[19:04] <obounaim> sorry
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> actually i misinterpreted you
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> you might be able to reupload the debian source package, but... the PPAs might not accept it
[19:06] <TheLordOfTime> if i remember right the PPA builders check the signature...
[19:06] <obounaim> I tried "dput -u" but it didn't work
[19:06] <TheLordOfTime> what error(s)?
[19:06] <obounaim> I had no errors but the package didn't show up in the ppa
[19:06] <tumbleweed> personally, my signing is untirely disconnected from building
[19:07] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed, doesn't the PPA processor check PGP key signatures on uploads?
[19:07] <tumbleweed> I have DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i -I -uc -us" so, it never signs when I build
[19:07] <tumbleweed> I sign with debsign before uploading
[19:08]  * TheLordOfTime reads the manpage for those commands.
[19:08] <tumbleweed> (I build source packages at least 20x more often than I sign and upload them)
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> s/commands/arguments/
[19:08] <tumbleweed> err I should have said "in my ~/.devscripts"
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed, he's testing amd64 builds, not i386 which is his system's architecture.
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed, same difference?  :P
[19:08] <tumbleweed> and the -i -I are unrelated to signing
[19:08]  * TheLordOfTime assumed it was in ~/.devscripts
[19:09] <tumbleweed> to be clear, when I said bulid there, I meant build locally (debuld / dpkg-buildpackage)
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> also assumed.
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> having said this, i think what obounaim's goal is, is to use the PPAs to test whether amd64 builds in Ubuntu for the Debian version of the package they mentioned
[19:11] <tumbleweed> obounaim: do you not have amd64-capable hardware?
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> but upload without signing it themselves or without makikng a changelog entry
[19:11] <tumbleweed> using PPAs for test-building is fairly painful, because PPA builds can take a while...
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed, for the record: <obounaim> I have an i386 Ubuntu on my machine so I want to use a ppa to see if it builds correctly on amd64
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> (scrollbacks, i know)
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> and i agree, amd64 builds are obscenely long wait times
[19:11] <tumbleweed> how does one still get i386 hardware?
[19:11]  * TheLordOfTime has run into this twice in three days
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed, some older netbooks >3 years old are i386 only
[19:11] <tumbleweed> that's true
[19:11] <obounaim> TheLordOfTime, That's true I don't have amd64-capable hardware.
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> and of course ancient machines.
[19:13] <obounaim> I have amd64-capable hardware but I have a i386 of Ubuntu to be correct
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> well there's the problem.
[19:13] <tumbleweed> you can install an amd64 kernel, and then you'll be able to have amd64 chroots
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> what tumbleweed said.
[19:16] <obounaim> How can I do that?
[19:20] <tumbleweed> hrm, Ubuntu dosen't have -amd64 kernels, so I assume you'd do it with multiarch
[19:22] <obounaim> I have signed the .changes file with debsign and upload it to a ppa but it was rejected "Rejected:Unable to find distroseries: unstable:
[19:22] <tumbleweed> PPAs don't build for Debian
[19:24] <Laney> you can override the target suite at upload time
[19:24] <Laney> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Using_packages_from_other_distributions
[21:59] <bdrung> Quintasan_: poke
[22:00] <bdrung> Quintasan_: now it's your turn to sign my key
[23:27] <thedoctor> i have a question about a package i would like to see carry through
[23:29] <thedoctor> i would like to see the browser "Opera" come to the universe
[23:29] <thedoctor> is this a good endeavor?
[23:31] <jtaylor> its closed source
[23:31] <jtaylor> so not going to happen
[23:31] <jtaylor> opera provides an own repository which works fine
[23:55] <thedoctor> so how come other closed source software are on the universe?
[23:56] <jtaylor> example?
[23:56] <xnox> "Opera" can enter the extras repository or restricted, if Opera the vendor decides to distribute it there.
[23:57] <jtaylor> for restricted you'd have to deal with canonical or?
[23:57] <jtaylor> it could go into multiverse but I don't see the need
[23:57] <xnox> Opera needs to allow re-distribution. It's illegal to take software and redistribute it, unless you have permission to do so (which there is a permission to do so)
[23:57] <xnox> thedoctor: if you want Opera in Ubuntu, you need to ask/push Opera to do so.
[23:58] <jtaylor> I'm an opera user myself
[23:58] <jtaylor> I just use the repository opera themself provide
[23:58] <jtaylor> never had issues
[23:58] <xnox> jtaylor: no. restricted & multiverse are both component of Ubuntu. And both require permission to redistribute.
[23:58] <xnox> jtaylor: "partner" repository is via canonical.
[23:58] <thedoctor> Okay i was wondering why this hadnt happened yet,
[23:58] <thedoctor> makes sense