[00:30] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] VPSs, Ubuntu, and Juju - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/11/10/vpss-ubuntu-and-juju/
[01:30] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Practical CSS3: Develop and Design, a book review - http://kryogenix.org/days/2012/11/10/practical-css3-develop-and-design-a-book-review
[09:22] <apacheuk> morning, know its early in the morning, but I have a fresh install of 12.10 and I've noticed I seem to be using what I think is a high amount of available ram, I have firefox running 2 tabs (g+ and twitter) evolution running and xchat, I'm currently using 1.3gb of my 2gb available
[09:23] <apacheuk> does that sound normal for unity?
[09:36] <jacobw> it doesn't sound normal, but unity does uses more resources than non-compiz based desktops
[09:37] <jacobw> compiz uses more resources and performs worse than other compositors or no compositor
[09:39] <jacobw> apacheuk: my MATE desktop is currently using 800M of RAM, i can see in gnome-system-monitor that firefox is using 115M and it's plugin-container is using 200M
[09:47] <apacheuk> hmm, only thing I did differently this time was install the 64bit version, which I got by mistake but figured it was worth a try.... maybe switch back to the 32bit version
[09:48] <jacobw> RAM consumption doesn't usually worry me as long as the desktop is responsive and load is below 1
[09:49] <apacheuk> I run a Oracle database in a VM, so I need as much RAM as possible :)
[09:50] <apacheuk> soon as my current backup finishes I think I might switch back to the 32bit version, before I install the rest of the software I use daily
[10:02] <apacheuk> having said that my laptop which is running the same version is running about the same, so maybe that is normal, might have to order some more RAM
[10:03] <popey> apacheuk, how are you determining how much ram is in use?
[10:05] <apacheuk> basically using free -m on the command line
[10:06] <jacobw> available ram = used - cached
[10:09] <apacheuk> output from command line http://paste.ubuntu.com/1347335/
[10:09] <apacheuk> does that mean I'm actually using 1849-1150 ?
[10:14] <directhex> installing ubuntu on a netbook stumbles at the first hurdle: startup disk creator is an unstable POS
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> it is?
[10:16] <jacobw> apacheuk: 1849 - 669, '-/+ buffers/cache: 1150 852' shows you what's available after subtracting buffers and cache from used
[10:16] <directhex> it is.
[10:17] <directhex> the "erase" button causes a popup "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." for example
[10:17] <popey> not had that
[10:18] <popey> bug 559524
[10:18] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 559524 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559524
[10:21] <directhex> had to kill my session. stray udisks processes killed it
[10:23] <directhex> dum de dum, still stuck on "installing bootloader"
[10:25] <directhex> this is a bust. i'll create the installer from windows.
[10:25] <popey> it takes a while
[10:25] <popey> progress bar lies
[10:26] <directhex> i gave it 10 minutes the first time.
[10:28] <apacheuk> jacobw, done some reading on the free -m command, think I can see a memory upgrade in my near future
[10:47] <directhex> worked first try on windows w/ pendrive linux creator
[10:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:21] <zleap> hi
[11:21] <zleap> AlanBell, thanks for the cd's arrived today (well picked up from post office today)
[11:36] <AlanBell> yay
[11:53] <kvarley> How on earth does Unity 3D work out of the box on Ubuntu 12.10? That's awesome!
[11:59] <popey> heh kvarley
[12:00] <kvarley> popey: 8 years on and Ubuntu is still amazing me :)
[12:01] <DJones> AlanBell: Wondered if you'd seen this? http://prupert.co.uk/2012/11/08/build-your-own-baby-monitor-revisited/
[12:10] <AlanBell> I have retired from babies
[12:13] <AlanBell> wow, he did *nothing* apart from use it in the way it is intended to be used and the BBC did an article about it
[12:17] <jacobw> it's a camera that happens to be watcing a baby
[12:20] <AlanBell> yeah
[12:21] <AlanBell> the "hack" is that he didn't purchase it from Mothercare
[12:56] <AlanBell> think I might rewrite my camera controller as a python script that serves a port directly, then run that on a raspberry pi
[14:28] <kvarley1> popey: Have you got the Steam overlay to working with Minecraft?
[14:29] <popey> the what?
[14:29] <popey> i have no idea what steam overlay is
[14:30] <kvarley1> popey: You're in the Steam beta, right? The overlay is what is brought up when you press Shift and Tab when in a Steam game
[14:32] <zleap> hi
[14:32] <popey> oh
[14:32] <directhex> kvarley1, minecraft isn't a steam game though
[14:32] <popey> but minecraft isn't a steam game
[14:33] <zleap> i have connected a raspberry pi with a static ip address to a netbook connected to a wireless lan via dhcp if i try and ssh in to the pi i get no route to host
[14:33] <kvarley1> popey: Yes, but you can add non-Steam games to your library and then the overlay works on them usually.
[14:33] <BigRedS> popey: zleap your netbook needs to have a route for the pi
[14:33] <directhex> zleap, correct.
[14:33] <zleap> yeah
[14:33] <zleap> how do i do that
[14:33] <directhex> zleap, there's no route for that to work
[14:33] <BigRedS> else it'll try to get out on the default route (normally your router), which isn;t where the pi is
[14:34] <zleap> ok
[14:34] <directhex> zleap, however, there's connection sharing support in network manager, if you go back to dhcp everywhere
[14:34] <zleap> so i need to set route to the address of the pi
[14:34] <BigRedS> what's the IP address off the pi and which interface is it plugged into?
[14:34] <zleap> 192.168.1.17 via eth0
[14:34] <zleap> well the network interface of the netbook
[14:35] <BigRedS> eth0?
[14:35] <zleap> yeah
[14:35] <zleap> sorry not that good with networking
[14:35] <BigRedS> Haha, nor i :)
[14:36] <BigRedS> Is the 'normal' network also 192.168.1.x?
[14:36] <zleap> yers
[14:36] <zleap> and the subnet seems the same as at home too
[14:38] <BigRedS> yeah, it's easiest if you make it different. If you do that and create a, say, 192.168.2.x network on your ethernet socket (with an IP address from that range on the pi) it might even Just Work
[14:38] <zleap>  ok
[14:38] <zleap> i have no access to the pi atm  at a lug meet
[14:39] <zleap> its just plugged in adn on,  connected via a cable
[14:40] <directhex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[14:43] <zleap> ty
[14:56]  * penguin42 notes http://www.ebuyer.com/395305-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1071 doesn't actually have a serial port - http://www.treblig.org/pics/noserial.JPG
[14:57] <hamitron> penguin42, a lot don't now, do they?
[14:58] <penguin42> hamitron: Indeed - but this one says it does on the ebuyer page which is why I chose it
[14:58] <hamitron> :(
[15:04] <popey> no it doesn't
[15:05] <popey> it says it has a serial port _header_
[15:05] <popey> oh, it doesnt :)
[15:05] <popey> thats bad
[15:23] <AlanBell> penguin42: if you have an old motherboard with a serial port you can probably unsolder it from that and solder it on to the header dots on the new one
[15:24] <AlanBell> or . . get a USB serial port and forget about the one that isn't really there on the motherboard
[15:31] <ali1234> noe
[15:31] <ali1234> that's an IDC header
[15:31] <ali1234> just clean out the solder and put in the header
[15:31] <ali1234> i do it all the time
[15:37] <kvarley> I have an AMD-4455M in my laptop and everything works on Ubuntu 12.10 aside from HDMI audio output. Any ideas on what I can do to diagnose the problem?
[15:40]  * popey wonders how audio would work there
[15:40] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/138177/upgraded-to-12-04-now-no-audio-over-amd-hdmi
[15:40] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/67113/fast-video-playback-with-no-sound
[15:41] <kvarley> popey: I'll give them a go, thanks :)
[15:43] <kvarley> popey: If this fixes it I'll be surprised. Can it really be that simple? Reboot, bye.
[15:44] <MrKrinkin> hello
[16:05] <cocoa117> anyone using bcm43xx wifi chipset on Ubuntu 12.04? is there region setting in the driver? i can't see my 5Ghz N network, i can see them in Win7 on the same machine
[16:05] <ali1234> there probably is
[16:05] <ali1234> check dmesg for entries about CRDA
[16:07] <cocoa117> ali1234, enn, can't see it in dmesg
[16:07] <ali1234> well it should be in there somewhere
[16:08] <kvarley> popey: Tried that and as soon as I play a sound via HDMI it freezes the laptop. Disabled it and rebooted and now HDMI appears in the sound settings of Ubuntu which is weird, same issue though.
[16:08] <cocoa117> ali1234, what's crda stand for?
[16:09] <ali1234> central regulatory domain agent
[16:11] <cocoa117> ali1234, should i use open source driver?
[16:11] <ali1234> don't know
[16:16] <penguin42> AlanBell: Yeh assuming it's connected
[16:22] <ali1234> it definitely will be connected
[16:23] <ali1234> don't try to use an old connector though... you'll just have problems
[16:23] <ali1234> you need either a solder sucker or a very fine (0.5mm) drill
[16:23] <ali1234> solder sucker is better
[16:24] <ali1234> plus one of these http://www.rkonlinestore.co.uk/ekmps/shops/rkeducation/images/e-row-straight-pcb-header-plug-pack-of-2-572-p.jpg
[16:24] <ali1234> and one of these http://www.lindy.co.uk/pc-back-plate-serial-adapter-9-way-d-male-11-wiring/33135.html
[16:25] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh I've got the backplate
[16:26] <penguin42> ali1234: I'll only attack it with a soldering iron if I don't find another solution; I've asked ebuyer to send me a pci-e serial card which would seem fair
[16:26] <ali1234> yeah
[16:26] <ali1234> i do this mod on just about every piece of hardware i buy :)
[16:26] <ali1234> mainly routers
[16:27] <ali1234> AlanBell: that IP camera you have has an internal serial port on it too
[16:27] <penguin42> most things do
[16:28] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, it has
[16:28] <AlanBell> I was just about to order another one
[16:28] <ali1234> will be 3.3V though
[16:28] <penguin42> close enough ;-)
[16:29] <ali1234> not for PC, they are +/- 12V
[16:29]  * penguin42 notes Comet's massive stock clearance seems to just be 10% off across the board, with some 15 or 20%
[16:29] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh, depends how fussy they feel
[16:29] <ali1234> you need a level shifter, and those often don't work with USB serial
[16:30] <penguin42> yeh, usb-serials are very hit and miss - hence why I don't want to go there
[16:59] <ali1234> how do you add/remove effects in openshot?
[16:59] <AlanBell> you put them in the timeline
[16:59] <AlanBell> or between two timelines
[17:00] <penguin42> anyone having problems in gimp - not letting you move the new toolbar window?
[17:00] <ali1234> how do you remove them though?
[17:00] <ali1234> also, how to you apple an effect only to a specific area on the video?
[17:01]  * penguin42 guesses that's apply
[17:01] <AlanBell> oh, sorry I was thinking transitions
[17:02] <AlanBell> right click the clip with the effect, go to properties, there is an effects tab
[17:02] <AlanBell> with all the effects you dropped on the clip and you can tweak them there
[17:03] <ali1234> i see
[17:03] <ali1234> how do you undo the razor tool?
[17:03] <ali1234> and hw to you do "razor at current marker?"
[17:05] <ali1234> ah you right click the marker and "slice all clips"
[17:05] <AlanBell> not sure how to rejoin clips
[17:06] <AlanBell> you can just but them up together and they will play fine
[17:08] <ali1234> yeah but then you can't do an effect over a group of clip
[17:08] <ali1234> only all or one
[17:08] <ali1234> the way i fixed it was delete the secnd clip and then adjust the length on the first
[17:08] <AlanBell> to make an effect fade in and out you can duplicate a clip and sync it on the next timeline without the effect and fade between them
[17:10] <ali1234> i don't want it to fade
[17:10] <ali1234> i want to cover up some user emails in a screen cast i just recorded
[17:10] <ali1234> but i can't find a way to just cover up part of the video with an effect
[17:13] <ali1234> ok, done it with mask
[17:13] <ali1234> why can't effects stack?
[17:14] <ali1234> like if i do mask + pixelated it should pixelate only the areas covered by the mask
[17:15] <AlanBell> I think you need to do that with multiple timelines
[17:17] <ali1234> well i've just blocked it with a black rectangle, that's good enough
[17:18] <AlanBell> probably duplicate the video, have one blurred, one normal, and use mask to show one through the other
[17:18] <cocoa117> ali1234, found crda with open source wifi driver
[17:18] <cocoa117> ali1234, what's next? how to set the region and what file should modify?
[17:19] <ali1234> you can't modify crda, that's the whole point
[17:20] <cocoa117> ali1234, so what should be done then
[17:20] <ali1234> well if it is really caused by crda, change your access point to use a channel that is allowed
[17:21] <wen234> anyone know how to create a chart in libreoffice calc from raw data
[17:22] <wen234> I have some raw data like a column of about 100 mixed, M and F answers - how can I create a chart with the results counted. I.e. 20 M and 30 F.
[17:22] <cocoa117> ali1234, so there is nothing can be done on the client side?
[17:22] <ali1234> not if the AP is misconfigured
[17:23] <ali1234> if the region is wrong in your wifi card you probablyneed some obscure windows hacking tool to fix it
[17:23] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, mask, inverted, plus blur on the top clip, then a duplicate clip on timeline 2 with no effects
[17:24] <ali1234> AlanBell: i see, that kinda makes sense in a weird way
[17:24] <ali1234> i'll tyr it when the video is done exporting
[17:25] <cocoa117> ali1234, en, on the same machine with win7, it can see the 5Ghz network
[17:26] <AlanBell> and you can use a transition between them to make the blur start and stop in an interesting way
[17:26] <AlanBell> star wipe \o/
[17:28] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can you ring my phone I seem to have misplaced it in the apt and cannot find  it :s
[17:28] <czajkowski> pleas
[17:28] <czajkowski> e
[17:32] <czajkowski> found it :/
[17:33] <ali1234> AlanBell: it does not work
[17:34] <ali1234> oh wait, yes it does
[17:34] <AlanBell> :)
[17:35] <AlanBell> if you apply 0.05 blur in the mask settings that softens the edges of the area too
[17:36] <ali1234> i'm using a pixelate effect
[17:36] <ali1234> so no need
[17:37] <AlanBell> ah, ok
[17:37] <AlanBell> blur is quite sweet, you can set the start and end blurriness
[17:38] <AlanBell> so you can push a region out of focus gradually
[17:45] <Laney> evening
[17:54] <popey> pip pip
[17:55] <zleap> can i hash out lines in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[17:55] <zleap> so i can keep the static ip settings in the file and use dchp at home
[17:56] <ali1234> hmm openshot still does that thing where it cuts of the last second of the video
[17:56] <Laney> I could (a) play games, (b) figure out rrdtool and get graphs going from the currentcost, (c) laze around on the sofa
[17:56] <Laney> WHICH WILL IT BE?
[17:56] <penguin42> c
[17:57] <Laney> quite likely isn't it
[17:57] <popey> Laney, i already did (b) for you
[17:58] <Laney> i already wrote a C program which parses the XML
[17:58] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/house/scripts/
[17:58] <popey> ah okay :)
[17:58] <popey> I use perl
[17:58] <Laney> however
[17:58] <popey> reluctantly
[17:58] <Laney> that is useful because I currently don't know how rrdtool works
[17:59] <Laney> 16.9
[17:59] <Laney> 00174
[17:59] <Laney> the current temp and wattage
[18:00] <popey> http://popey.com/house/ erk
[18:00] <popey> washing machine and tumble dryer both on :S
[18:00] <popey> ~5KW
[18:00] <Laney> wow
[18:01] <Laney> the y axis on the longer term graphs is too small so i can't tell what your baseline is
[18:01] <penguin42> popey: Any idea what they each take, and does your washer heat the water or does it take hot in?
[18:02] <popey> i haven't individually checked each, no
[18:02] <penguin42> nod
[18:02] <AlanBell> my cooker can draw 52 amps
[18:03] <penguin42> heck
[18:04] <AlanBell> yeah
[18:04]  * penguin42 occasionally wonders if there is a more energy efficient way to cook rice pudding; they take about 90mins
[18:05] <AlanBell> I bought it, planning to install it myself
[18:05] <AlanBell> saw that in the manual and chickened out
[18:05] <penguin42> AlanBell: I hadn't realised they were that high - yeh I'd want someone who undestood high current stuff
[18:06] <AlanBell> induction hob
[18:06] <penguin42> ah
[18:06] <penguin42> AlanBell: So does that go on one 60A circuit or something?
[18:07] <AlanBell> yes, new fat cable back to the consumer unit
[18:07] <penguin42> through a socket or direct?
[18:07] <AlanBell> direct
[18:08] <AlanBell> there is a chunky switch too
[18:08] <penguin42> nod; I think you can get 63A commando sockets - not sure if you're allowed to use them in a home
[18:08]  * popey makes a bacon double cheeseburger for tea
[18:08] <popey> yay, we have an induction hob
[18:08] <popey> love it
[18:08] <AlanBell> the electric oven that it replaced just plugged in to a socket
[18:09]  * hamitron has one of them small induction hobs to go on the work surface, for his chip pan
[18:11] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I mentioned earlier that Laura had lost her phone, the kids said "auntie Laura, or geek Laura?"
[18:15] <czajkowski> lol
[18:16] <popey> :)
[18:18] <czajkowski> laura was a bit addled while packing up things and packed her phone :/
[18:18] <AlanBell> packing \o/
[18:19] <czajkowski> not exactly the same emotion here :)
[18:22] <popey> where you going?
[18:23]  * czajkowski is going to aldershot 
[18:23] <czajkowski> same landlord as before, just moving to his other house near the train station
[18:24] <popey> oh cool
[18:24] <popey> just down the road
[18:27] <czajkowski> :)
[18:35] <popey> Daviey, another victim for co-working space :)
[18:37] <czajkowski> :)
[18:57] <christel> czajkowski: when do you move again? first week of december? :)
[18:58] <christel> popey: didnt you convert your garage? :)
[19:02] <czajkowski> christel: yup I have the keys from the 24th
[19:02] <czajkowski> of novemeber
[19:02] <christel> \o/
[19:02] <czajkowski> but that's the weekend my sister is over so may just get a zip car on the tuesday and drive down
[19:02] <popey> christel, not finished
[19:03] <christel> i went and looked at some offices in farnham the other day but they were way too large for just m e
[19:03] <christel> me*
[19:04] <AlanBell> did you see the clockhouse offices christel?
[19:04] <christel> yes
[19:04] <AlanBell> any good?
[19:05] <christel> fine (boringly dull in a magnolia kind of way but entirely clean/tidy/modern looking etc)
[19:06] <czajkowski> christel: add some graffiti art to any wall and it brightens it up
[19:06] <AlanBell> boringly dull sounds perfect to me
[19:06] <christel> :)
[19:06] <christel> you guys looking to move already?
[19:06] <AlanBell> I like an office that contrasts with my sparkling personality
[19:06] <christel> ah yes, i guess you Need More Space when you hire another alan
[19:06] <christel> haha
[19:07] <AlanBell> we just turned down a bigger suite in the Granary, we don't need it yet (and it was quite a bit more money)
[19:07] <christel> *nod*
[19:07] <AlanBell> interviewing two people next week, neither of them are called Alan.
[19:07] <christel> yeah, the smallest office i viewed was 400/pcm (all inclusive) for about 100sqft
[19:07] <czajkowski> bah ireland were winning against SA
[19:07] <czajkowski> bah
[19:07] <christel> it was slightly smaller than yours i think but differently shaped
[19:08] <AlanBell> christel: that is not far off what we are paying, but to go bigger we would be looking at 800+vat
[19:08] <popey> outrage!
[19:09] <czajkowski> rob..
[19:09] <christel> *nod*
[19:09] <czajkowski> oh wait wrong channel
[19:09] <czajkowski> :p
[19:09] <christel> thats a pretty hefty jump
[19:09] <AlanBell> which is fine, but we can keep the one we have with three people for a bit
[19:10] <christel> *nod*
[19:12] <christel> im slightly on the fence, i want to rent an office but at the same time it would be kind of pointless for me to rent an office and go sit in an office on my own all day when my main motivator is the fact that i get dreadful cabin fever (more so since moving out in the sticks i guess)
[19:12] <christel> though i guess i could go for lunchtime wanders and STARE at people :D
[19:14] <brobostigon> migrate the office to a pub. :)
[19:14] <czajkowski> christel: could you approach a business and ask to rent a desk off them?
[19:14] <czajkowski> liek where G wrks?
[19:14] <christel> brobostigon: i sometimes do, but then i end up on the vodka ;)
[19:15] <brobostigon> christel: lol, it isnt such a bad idea, but yes, has its downsides, :)
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> 63
[19:20] <SuperEngineer> it's 6 less than 69... no point... just like the fear of moving
[19:22] <christel> czajkowski: czajkowski dunno, i dont really know any random businesses with space (gareths work is struggling for space and impractical anyway, what with being both a client of mine and a competitor) ;)
[19:23] <Yellowwinner> hi
[19:24] <AlanBell> hi Yellowwinner
[19:25] <czajkowski> christel: ah yes true
[19:26] <czajkowski> christel: guarantee though f you put and add up saying you were looking to share space/rent space youd find somewhere
[19:26] <christel> possibly, im still holding out for popeys garage collapsing so that he'll look for a coworking space with me instead ;)
[19:27] <christel> (I MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE PLANNING TO REMOVE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN)
[19:28] <czajkowski> lo
[19:28] <czajkowski> l
[19:29] <Yellowwinner> hey everybody I am working on a game on ubuntu and I need some help with somethings (like graphics) and I want to know if someone wants to help me.
[19:29] <Yellowwinner> thanks
[19:30] <popey> Yellowwinner, ali1234 or gord may be able to help
[19:30] <ali1234> heh
[19:30] <ali1234> i'm not much good at drawing
[19:30] <popey> well, depends on the question of course :D
[19:31] <popey> i may have misunderstood the question then :)
[19:31] <popey> ali1234, mpt or ev on irc are the people I mentioned on G+
[19:31] <AlanBell> need more details
[19:31] <Yellowwinner> just a sec I will pull up the fourm link
[19:31] <Yellowwinner> that I made
[19:34] <Yellowwinner> http://www.thatbigforum.com/post220701.html#p220701
[19:34] <ali1234> popey: yeah, already looked them up, cheers. they're not online, i guess it's the weekend, or i was looking the wrong channels.
[19:35] <popey> hmm, minecraft.net down..
[19:35] <Yellowwinner> yea i checked minecraft and it was down :C
[19:35] <popey> yeah, looking at evs facebook he's eating a delicious burger in london somewhere :)
[19:35] <czajkowski> I know
[19:35] <czajkowski> I want that burger so much
[19:35] <czajkowski> bar the cheese
[19:36] <Yellowwinner> here is my game post
[19:36] <Yellowwinner> http://www.thatbigforum.com/post220701.html#p220701
[19:50] <aaast> BLOATWARE SMELL IS KILLING ME SOFTLY
[19:50] <aaast> IKONIA IS RIGHT, MAYBE IT IS WAY TOO SMELLY TO EVEN MENTION IT. IT IS EMBARRASING SITUATION WHERE THE BLOATWARE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE
[19:50] <aaast> BLOATWARE SMELL IS KILLING ME SOFTLY
[19:50] <ikonia> please sto
[19:50] <ikonia> stop
[19:50] <ikonia> you've just got banned for this crap, don't start here
[19:51] <aaast> WHAT U GONNA DO FUCKER?
[19:51] <aaast> SEND COMPLAINT AGAIN?
[19:51] <ikonia> excellent,
[19:51] <aaast> MOTHERFUCKER
[19:51] <ikonia> can't you just join in a channel without being silly and rude ?
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: thank you
[19:54] <AlanBell> I didn't do anything
[19:54] <AlanBell> he managed to find the door before I showed him where it was
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> :) let's hope he fell down the stairs outside the door1
[19:59] <ikonia> sorry about him
[20:00] <soreau> ikonia: we know it's all your fault
[20:00] <ikonia> it is
[20:01] <SuperEngineer> Weee... [new TV conxns stylie] success!  TV claims to have one SCART socket "for input only"
[20:02] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... if you know SCART sockets you alsoknow they're 2 way!
[20:02] <SuperEngineer> TV sound now playing through surround sound sys :)
[20:03] <ali1234> well scart are always wired up different :)
[20:04] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: yup... rule 1 know your SCART... make it your friend ;)
[20:04] <AlanBell> davmor2: up for beer/food on Thursday still?
[20:04] <soreau> silly european engineering ;)
[20:08] <SuperEngineer> next step... get extra vga cable... use [so far never touched] kvm switch and switch video from monitor to TV at will ;)
[20:10] <ali1234> hmm a KVM can do that?
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> ...& leave pc output going through the sound system [tv built in audio not good]
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: ooo yes it can... use the "v" [video] connection only... leave keyboard & mouse in control of pc
[20:11] <ali1234> yeah... you;re using it backwards too though, right?
[20:11] <ali1234> i guess VGA is analogue
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> nope.
[20:12] <ali1234> nope?
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> pc video out
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> going to monitor or tv
[20:12] <ali1234> a KVM is generally used with two PCs and one monitor though
[20:13] <ali1234> so you connect the PC video out to the output of the KVM, and then the monitor and TV to the two inputs? hence using it backwards
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> ...or oc, server etc going to 1 monitor... in that sense - you are right - I'm using it backwards ;)
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> but i *am* SuperEngineer I guess
[20:14] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: if you have composite video out then it probably works as a dual head setup
[20:14] <ali1234> ew composite
[20:14] <AlanBell> so you can have your monitor on, and the tv as a second (low resolution) screen
[20:14] <ali1234> just get a graphics card with two VGA, or DVI+VGA
[20:15] <AlanBell> yeah, much better off using hdmi/dvi if your telly can do that
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: exactly that... I only want to use it to view get-iplayer'd videos of f1 races etc
[20:15] <ali1234> i was thinking VGA for the TV actually
[20:15] <ali1234> if it's scart
[20:16] <AlanBell> didn't know you could feed VGA to scart
[20:16] <AlanBell> it has RGB and it has composite
[20:16] <ali1234> RGB is low refresh rate VGA
[20:16] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: no hdmi on pooter :(  [I'm going for near zero cost option here]
[20:16] <ali1234> you need some magic but it is possible
[20:17] <ali1234> basically a sync combiner and a graphics driver that lets you do super low res modes - they should all do it now, because i reported bugs on them all
[20:17] <ali1234> sync combiner = 1 transistor
[20:17] <ali1234> and ATI cards i think don't even need that
[20:17] <lazarus_> Python (v2.7) requires to install plugins to create media files of the following type: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) encoder how do i fix this issue on ubuntu 12.10 64bit
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> ...& the SCART bit is a separate "thing"... trhat was tonight's projext re sound
[20:19] <SuperEngineer> ... the pc to TV is not going to use the SCART... pc is sending it's own sound signal to sound sys separately
[20:19] <ali1234> http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/circuit
[20:19] <SuperEngineer> ooo
[20:21] <SuperEngineer> ..as in video output through vga to TV, sound output to sound sys via audio out signal to the surround sys
[20:21] <SuperEngineer> [yedh... I'm a cheap skate!] ;)
[20:23] <SuperEngineer> in fact - for cost of 1 extra vga cable [have other spare 1 required in car boot, so free]... pc to tv for £1-vga-cable
[20:24] <ali1234> if TV has VGA, by all means use it. the VGA to SCART is only really suited to old CRTs that can't do VGA native
[20:24] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: agreed
[20:25] <ali1234> and for those it is very nice eg if you use mythtv on it. te picture looks like it does with a STB. you can't get that any other way.
[20:27] <ali1234> also good for retro emulaton
[20:28] <ali1234> since it's pixel accurate... and those old 8 bit machines actually relied on that to get their full colour space
[20:29] <ali1234> eg VICE actually has PAL emulation for this reason - though you don't need it with a real CRT
[20:29] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: talking of retro emulation...
[20:30] <ali1234> yes?
[20:31] <SuperEngineer> does/is it possible to use games emulator ROMs from windoze in a linux environment - i.e Ubuntu
[20:31] <ali1234> sure
[20:32] <ali1234> they are just ROM dumps
[20:32] <Bassetts> The ROMs will work on any platform as long as you have an emulator for your platform
[20:32] <ali1234> there are standard formats for each target system and all emulators support the most common ones
[20:32] <ali1234> regardless of host platform
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> ... MAME ok I assume
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> ?
[20:32] <ali1234> yeah , fine
[20:33] <ali1234> it's the same software
[20:33] <SuperEngineer> cool, thanks
[20:34] <ali1234> the only place you might have problems is with snapshots or freeze or state files, and to a lesser extent memory card files. those usually aren't compatible between different emulators
[20:34]  * SuperEngineer downloads MAME
[20:34] <SuperEngineer> ...only 1 way to find out
[20:34] <ali1234> but if it's just a port of the same softwae even that should be ok, barring endian issues... which you won't run into going between two OS on the same hardware
[20:35] <SuperEngineer> :)
[20:36] <ali1234> hmm i think i am seeing the effect of these "delayed error reports"
[20:36] <ali1234> just got a crash message from openshot. i quit it about 2 hours ago
[20:36] <ali1234> and why does "show details" still take absolutely forever?
[20:42] <df___> jpds,ping
[20:44] <df___> I have Ubuntu running on my laptop, but currently I am dual booting
[20:45] <df___> can anyone help me set up Ubuntu on a virtual box to save room on my laptop?
[20:48] <StevenR> hrrm.. does someone here have a nexus 7?
[20:48] <AlanBell> df___: virtualbox is kind of easy, just like installing on a real machine. Not sure how it helps save room though
[20:48] <df___> jpds, are you home
[20:48] <AlanBell> !weekend
[20:48] <lubotu3`> It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week.
[20:49] <df___> thanks alanbell
[20:51] <df___> AlanBell: I currently have two operating systems installed on my laptop. Would running a virtual box enable me to save room by uninstalling my Ubuntu operation system
[20:52] <AlanBell> depends how much diskspace you give it really
[20:52] <df___> ah
[20:52] <AlanBell> if you have a 20gig partition for Ubuntu now, and you remove that and make a 20GB virtual machine, you haven't really made a heap of difference
[20:52] <df___> I wish there was a way to run my iTunes on Ubuntu
[20:52] <popey> StevenR, i do
[20:52] <df___> because I would then just use the one operating system
[20:53] <StevenR> popey: how do you find it? I'm considering buying one... partially for standing in my kitchen with recipies on it, also for other stuff
[20:53] <AlanBell> ask Apple to support it on Ubuntu
[20:54] <popey> StevenR, its okay :)
[20:54] <df___> AlanBell: lol.....not sure it that would happen
[20:55] <AlanBell> dunno, it happened on Windows somehow
[20:55] <AlanBell> but anyhow, it is their problem
[20:55] <popey> +1
[20:55] <popey> same for adobe photoshop
[20:56] <AlanBell> I should think it would suit Apple quite nicely to split the windows competition across two platforms
[20:57] <AlanBell> if Apple stopped supporting Windows for iTunes, and twisted Adobe's arm into doing the same and switching to Ubuntu as the compeition they wanted to compete with then that would be really interesting
[20:57] <StevenR> popey: does it behave just like a "big android phone" or is there more to it?
[20:57] <AlanBell> StevenR: we have one for the kitchen, it is quite popular
[20:58] <df___> AlanBell: Not so much a problem rather thank an inconvenience. Basically I prefer to use Ubuntu. But before my Ubuntu days I purchased all of my music and media from Apple. I recently bought a computer with windows pre installed. I just want to be able to listen to my music while I am working on Ubuntu
[20:58] <AlanBell> does recipes, music to a bluetooth music receiver plugged into some speakers, and does angry birds
[20:59] <AlanBell> <insert rant about DRM, lock in and proprietary platforms here>
[20:59] <popey> StevenR, i guess
[20:59] <popey> I am not a fan of android tbh
[21:00] <Daviey> hater!
[21:01] <df___> AlanBell: I would love to see Apple on Ubuntu but I do not think this will happen :)
[21:01] <AlanBell> if I was in charge of Apple that is the first thing I would do
[21:03] <StevenR> df___: close your laptop lid, place an apple on the closed lid. Apple on Ubuntu. DONE. :D
[21:03] <AlanBell> "people who are not our customers appear to be giving money to our competitor, lets stop that happening"
[21:06] <df___> StevenR: lol that was funny
[21:06] <df___> thanks guys
[21:06]  * StevenR makes a big sign saying "AlanBell for Apple CEO 2013"
[21:07] <AlanBell> yay
[21:08] <zleap> hi oly
[21:46] <penguin42> StevenR: Given the rate at which the Beeb are going through bosses, it might be an easier starting point
[21:51] <StevenR> penguin42: I suppose AlanBell could take over the beeb this year, and that would give him a run up to take over apple in 2013
[21:53] <penguin42> sounds easy for him
[23:28] <cocoa117> anyone know why i can see the 5ghz list in my iwlist eth1 channel, but i can't see it on my wifi network list of my 5ghz network
[23:28] <cocoa117> i mean 5ghz AP
[23:33] <xnox> cocoa117: same here with intel wifi n. I guess the card doesn't support it.
[23:34] <xnox> cause i can only connect to lower onces.
[23:34] <penguin42> yeh I've had similar behaviour
[23:34] <cocoa117> xnox, do u mean card driver don't support it? i am using propertory driver
[23:34] <penguin42> there's a bug somewhere for it
[23:34] <cocoa117> penguin42, bug in the network-manager?
[23:34] <xnox> cocoa117: no, the hardware doesn't support it.
[23:35] <cocoa117> xnox, my hardware does support it
[23:35] <cocoa117> xnox, i can access 5ghz band width with win7 on the same machine
[23:35] <xnox> cocoa117: i see.
[23:35] <cocoa117> xnox, it used to work with older version of ubuntu
[23:35] <penguin42> cocoa117: Possibly bug 974674 - but I could swear there was an olderone
[23:35] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 974674 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:4229 Unable to connect to 5Ghz Wireless Network Intel 4965" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/974674
[23:36] <cocoa117> now it just don't work with 12.04
[23:36] <penguin42> oh I'd seen it on 10.04, I've not tried 12.x on that network yet