Kilos | cremora minora | 05:24 |
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Kilos | hiya SmilyBorg_h | 05:26 |
SmilyBorg_h | hi there | 05:28 |
Kilos | lo magespawn | 06:13 |
Kilos | or is it just your core lurking here | 06:13 |
Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 06:55 |
* Maaz puts the kettle on | 06:55 | |
Squirm | Maaz: coffee please | 06:55 |
Maaz | Squirm: Sure | 06:55 |
Squirm | and lot's of it | 06:55 |
Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos and Squirm! | 06:59 |
Kilos | hehe hey Squirm | 06:59 |
Kilos | Maaz, thanks man | 06:59 |
Maaz | Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) | 06:59 |
Kilos | lo mazal | 07:02 |
mazal | Morning everyone | 07:02 |
mazal | Gaanit oom Kilos ? | 07:02 |
Kilos | rdelik dankie en jy mazal ? | 07:02 |
Squirm | Maaz: thanks | 07:02 |
Maaz | Squirm: No problem | 07:02 |
Squirm | my head hurts :/ | 07:02 |
Kilos | min mense hier saterdag oggend | 07:02 |
Kilos | self inflicted punishment Squirm ? | 07:03 |
mazal | Kla nie dankie | 07:03 |
Squirm | that depends on who was buying | 07:03 |
Kilos | lol | 07:03 |
Kilos | i dont savvy the drinking bit at todays prices | 07:04 |
Kilos | much better things to do with money | 07:04 |
Squirm | I guess | 07:04 |
Squirm | but at R17 a draught | 07:05 |
Squirm | come now | 07:05 |
mazal | Shees !!! | 07:05 |
mazal | When I drank it was like R7 | 07:05 |
Squirm | meh | 07:05 |
Squirm | and I thought R17 was cheap | 07:05 |
Kilos | hehe | 07:06 |
mazal | Oh btw Kilos , one of the last things I saw on Thursday was where I am | 07:06 |
Kilos | mazal, ? | 07:07 |
Kilos | oh my | 07:07 |
Kilos | peer got him | 07:07 |
Kilos | wb mazal | 07:08 |
* mazal mubels something | 07:08 | |
mazal | ta | 07:08 |
Kilos | so explain what you mean by where you are | 07:08 |
mazal | Now I don't know what you saw and what not lol | 07:08 |
* Kilos scratches head | 07:08 | |
mazal | as I was saying , you asked if I am at Bavies or Zonderwater | 07:08 |
Kilos | oh you mean with xchat | 07:08 |
mazal | It's Zonderwater | 07:08 |
Kilos | whew i forgot that already | 07:09 |
Kilos | ah ty | 07:09 |
Kilos | have they fixed your windows yet | 07:10 |
mazal | Nope , that gonna take weeks if not months | 07:10 |
Kilos | or must you wait for next budget | 07:10 |
mazal | Hundreds of windows broken here | 07:10 |
Kilos | how many of yours | 07:10 |
mazal | 13 | 07:10 |
Kilos | wow | 07:10 |
Kilos | how big is the place you stay in | 07:11 |
mazal | Just at the flats side there is 54 flats , none who's windows survived | 07:11 |
Kilos | or group thing | 07:11 |
mazal | Then there is plenty of houses as well | 07:11 |
mazal | Many windows broken there | 07:11 |
mazal | Then there is all the offices , many broken there | 07:11 |
Kilos | i mean yours only to secure the place so pc can come home | 07:11 |
mazal | Then there is the prison , many broken there as well | 07:12 |
mazal | I would actually like to know the total number. | 07:12 |
mazal | Ja I miss my pc man | 07:12 |
mazal | But is a good thing also , teaches me not to like worldly things too much | 07:12 |
Kilos | lol | 07:13 |
mazal | And be happy with basics | 07:13 |
Kilos | basics is a P2 running tinycorelinux | 07:13 |
mazal | all these things can't go with one when you go anyway , so it shouldn't be so important | 07:14 |
Kilos | no but its where you can learn how to do things to improve the path ahead | 07:14 |
mazal | But ya , I dunno when it will be fixed | 07:15 |
mazal | I'm just waiting for my firned to phone then we gonna do his windows , he lives on a farm so he must do his own | 07:15 |
Kilos | one would think its like a priority because now it can rain in | 07:15 |
mazal | I was thinking of getting a private contractor to come and so mine , but sjoe , don't have the money | 07:15 |
Kilos | do it yourself | 07:16 |
Kilos | not a big job | 07:16 |
Kilos | i dunno what windows cost though anymore | 07:16 |
mazal | The glass will be too expensive | 07:16 |
mazal | don't have that kind of money | 07:16 |
Kilos | ai | 07:16 |
Kilos | tough in africa | 07:17 |
mazal | 13 windows from which most is big ones , will be thousands | 07:17 |
Kilos | wow | 07:17 |
mazal | My biggest struggle is all my software en everything is on the pc | 07:17 |
Kilos | youre xchat fixed now | 07:17 |
Kilos | no more ubuntu | 07:17 |
mazal | I basically only have my docs | 07:17 |
Kilos | docs? | 07:18 |
mazal | Documents | 07:18 |
Kilos | where | 07:18 |
Kilos | im a bit slow sorry | 07:18 |
mazal | That I copied to a usb stick before I unplugged , so I have that with me | 07:18 |
Kilos | not a good head day | 07:18 |
mazal | But everything else on pc | 07:18 |
Kilos | ah | 07:18 |
mazal | But this morning I already gor my distribution lists back into my Thunderbird | 07:19 |
mazal | got even | 07:19 |
Kilos | lol | 07:19 |
mazal | So I can do all my basics at least | 07:19 |
mazal | But my video editing and converting. standing still now | 07:20 |
Kilos | i used to use aptoncd but it dont work lekker in 12.04 | 07:20 |
mazal | Nah remastersys iso is best. I have all my apps , but no space to use it | 07:20 |
Kilos | i didnt have a dvdwr | 07:21 |
Kilos | rw | 07:21 |
Kilos | and iso always too big for cd | 07:22 |
mazal | And it's those little things that's annoying , like backups is by hand now. Only the files that changed gets copied by hand to a stick | 07:22 |
Kilos | you dont use deja-dup | 07:22 |
Kilos | ? | 07:22 |
mazal | One can't change too much on this temporary solution , otherwise one have to change everything again when pc comes back | 07:23 |
mazal | Pc has about 10 backup jobs to different locations | 07:23 |
mazal | All main things are on there | 07:23 |
Kilos | sjoe | 07:23 |
mazal | Ja , 3 different externals | 07:23 |
mazal | I have a very "complicated" backup setup , and the source is the pc | 07:24 |
mazal | So can't rely change everything now and then have to change again when it comes back | 07:24 |
mazal | Gonna get confused lol | 07:24 |
Kilos | yeah | 07:24 |
mazal | So for now will just manually copy /home/.thunderbird and all docs that changed to a stick everynight | 07:25 |
mazal | Wat 'n gesukkel lol | 07:25 |
Kilos | eina | 07:25 |
mazal | BUT , could have been waaaaaayy worse. I could not have had the laptop. Then I would have nothing at all now | 07:26 |
Kilos | eish | 07:27 |
Kilos | i sukkel with lappy's | 07:27 |
Kilos | the mouse thing etc | 07:28 |
mazal | I just struggle with the touch-pad | 07:28 |
mazal | lol ditto ! | 07:28 |
mazal | I just can't get used to it , I mostly plug in a mouse | 07:28 |
Kilos | plug in a usb mouse | 07:29 |
Kilos | lol | 07:29 |
Kilos | i gotta look at keyboard when typing so often ask something thats just been answered | 07:29 |
mazal | Hehehe , I see I have a bit of lag this morning | 07:30 |
mazal | That lag bar is constantly filling up | 07:31 |
Kilos | im not a geek im a diesel mechanic farmer etc | 07:31 |
Kilos | mine shows .3 secs | 07:31 |
Kilos | hover mouse over it | 07:31 |
mazal | Jumping between 0.5 and 1.0 here | 07:32 |
Kilos | Maaz, ping mazal | 07:32 |
Maaz | Kilos: Error: unknown host mazal | 07:32 |
Kilos | oh my | 07:32 |
mazal | Maaz don't know me lol | 07:32 |
Maaz | mazal: Huh? | 07:32 |
Kilos | Maaz, whois mazal | 07:32 |
Maaz | Kilos: What? | 07:32 |
Kilos | hmm domdonner | 07:33 |
Kilos | should give him my email addy | 07:33 |
mazal | Maaz, ping 192.168.0.2 | 07:34 |
Maaz | mazal: 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4000ms | 07:34 |
mazal | Nah that won't work | 07:35 |
Kilos | there is a ctcp thing if you got other bits added | 07:36 |
Kilos | cant find it now | 07:40 |
* mazal gonna grab some koffee | 07:40 | |
Kilos | ah the ping thing only works in a dialogue window | 07:50 |
mazal | What's the command oom Kilos ? | 07:52 |
mazal | Ah ok , got it | 07:53 |
mazal | 1.43s to you | 07:53 |
mazal | maaz, google clone linux | 07:59 |
Maaz | mazal: "clone(2): create child process - Linux man page" http://linux.die.net/man/2/clone :: "clone (Linux system call) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_(Linux_system_call) :: "Clonezilla - About" http://clonezilla.org/ :: "The Best Disk Cloning App for Linux" http://lifehacker.com/5891933/the-best-disk-cloning-app-for-linux :: | 07:59 |
Maaz | "2 Methods To Clone Your Linux Hard Drive" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/2-methods-to-clo… | 07:59 |
Kilos | hehe i go move sheeps | 08:01 |
* mazal is off to go help friend with windows | 08:06 | |
mazal | Bye all | 08:06 |
mazal | Have a blessed day | 08:06 |
Kilos | toods | 08:06 |
Kilos | work hard | 08:06 |
mazal | Will od :) | 08:07 |
mazal | do even , ai | 08:07 |
Kilos | hehe | 08:07 |
Kilos | oh my splits again | 08:17 |
Kilos | wbb | 11:17 |
=== Kilosm is now known as wolfeyes | ||
wolfeyes | Heya everyone. | 12:10 |
wolfeyes | I need to change a kde password on a drive that I have plugged in as a 2nd drive. How do I go about this please. | 12:11 |
wolfeyes | Squirm, you da clever fello according to kilos. | 12:11 |
=== Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
psydroid | hi wolfeyes | 12:14 |
psydroid | hi Trixar_za | 12:14 |
wolfeyes | heya psydroid | 12:14 |
psydroid | hoi Cantide, Ludo en zeref | 12:15 |
psydroid | have you mounted the drive? | 12:15 |
Trixar_za | Hey psydroid | 12:16 |
psydroid | if so you can chroot into the installation and reset the password | 12:16 |
psydroid | or you can edit the /etc/shadow file and remove the password | 12:16 |
psydroid | if the partition isn't encrypted, that is | 12:17 |
=== wolfeyes is now known as kilos | ||
WOLFEYES | hmm | 12:21 |
kilos | hey you clever guys. howm i gonna chamge the password on that second drive | 12:22 |
=== kilos is now known as Kilos | ||
Kilos | whew | 12:23 |
Kilos | Trixar_za, talk to me | 12:23 |
Kilos | everything rushed here. got one night to do lotsa work | 12:24 |
=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
Kilos | psydroid, wassup | 12:29 |
Kilos | psydroid, i have his drive plugged in as a second drive on my pc so i can still boot from my unity. | 12:38 |
Kilos | did a boot repair from unity and then went to boot from his drive but he dont remember login name and password anymore | 12:39 |
Kilos | so its at the login prompt at the moment on his kde | 12:39 |
Kilos | btw wolfeyes is my son | 12:39 |
Kilos | can i boot from my unity and change his name and password? | 12:41 |
psydroid | Kilos, what I told you above should work, you just need to reset or remove the password from your installation | 12:41 |
psydroid | sure | 12:41 |
Ludo | hi guys | 12:42 |
Kilos | hi Ludo wb | 12:42 |
Ludo | so just me basically checking is there any computer store where I can walk in and buy ubuntu preinstalled with support? | 12:42 |
Kilos | whole month you didnt visit | 12:42 |
Ludo | Thanks kilos | 12:42 |
Ludo | erm :/ I should be logging in at least I'm just lurking :P | 12:43 |
Kilos | lol | 12:43 |
Kilos | no man always say hi to the guys | 12:43 |
Ludo | And to be honest I mostly just chat when I should be studying | 12:43 |
Kilos | ah | 12:43 |
Ludo | because its a bit harder to leave the house for 30 minutes and go find someone to chat to and after 30 minutes to study again | 12:44 |
Kilos | ya | 12:45 |
Kilos | there were a few places selling lappys with ubuntu preinstalled on the lists a while ago | 12:45 |
Kilos | support you get here | 12:45 |
inetpro | Ludo: why do you want to pay for support when you can support yourself? | 12:45 |
Ludo | mmm can you maybe give me a date etc so that I can go scan the lists? | 12:46 |
inetpro | Kilos: tell mazal he should replace all his broken windows with ubuntu | 12:46 |
Kilos | few months back ludo | 12:46 |
Kilos | lol good one inetpro | 12:47 |
Ludo | don't worry i will just google | 12:47 |
Kilos | k | 12:47 |
inetpro | Ludo: what are you googling for? | 12:47 |
inetpro | Linux in general supports a wider range of devices than Windows, just build your own | 12:48 |
Kilos | he wants to buy a ubuntu preinstalled pc inetpro | 12:49 |
inetpro | Kilos: but why? | 12:49 |
inetpro | Ludo has to much money? | 12:49 |
Kilos | so it doesnt come with winsucks costs added i spose | 12:49 |
Kilos | psydroid, do i just trash the 2 shadow files in his /etc/ | 12:50 |
inetpro | Kilos: hmmm | 12:51 |
psydroid | Kilos, no, you edit /etc/shadow | 12:51 |
Kilos | if it shows name and password i could gedit hem | 12:51 |
Kilos | then gotta chown them first | 12:52 |
inetpro | Maaz: google recover password ubuntu | 12:52 |
Maaz | inetpro: "How to reset your password in Ubuntu" http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword :: "How-To Recover password under Ubuntu | Ubuntu Geek" http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recover-password-under-ubuntu.html :: "recovery - Recover password - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/148741/recover-password :: "Reset Your Forgotten Ubuntu Password in 2 | 12:52 |
Maaz | Minutes or Less - How ..." http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubunt… | 12:52 |
Kilos | there are 2 shadow files | 12:52 |
Kilos | ah dankie | 12:52 |
psydroid | Kilos, no, don't do that | 12:52 |
Kilos | oh | 12:53 |
psydroid | I mean, don't chown the files | 12:53 |
Kilos | he doesnt remember the username either | 12:53 |
psydroid | I always do those things as root | 12:53 |
Kilos | he only getting 20% oxygen from lungs so forgets lots | 12:54 |
Kilos | ok then i just gotta work out the correct path | 12:54 |
psydroid | oh, then you can add a new username and password | 12:54 |
psydroid | yes | 12:54 |
psydroid | are you in a root shell? | 12:54 |
psydroid | sudo su - | 12:54 |
Kilos | im on my untiy at the moment | 12:55 |
Kilos | unity | 12:55 |
psydroid | so you can start Terminal | 12:55 |
inetpro | Kilos: boot into recovery mode on that disk | 12:55 |
Kilos | ok im root now | 12:56 |
Kilos | it doesnt show that inetpro goes straight to login prompt | 12:56 |
psydroid | where is the second drive mounted? | 12:57 |
psydroid | mount should give the answer | 12:57 |
psydroid | something in /media | 12:57 |
Kilos | hmm | 12:58 |
Kilos | grrr | 12:58 |
psydroid | maybe tab completion works | 12:58 |
Kilos | .. /media/252 GB Filesystem | 12:58 |
Kilos | starting here with / dont work | 12:59 |
psydroid | yeah, strange name | 12:59 |
Kilos | thats how my unity sees it | 12:59 |
psydroid | but there is filesystem on it with /bin /etc /home etc.? | 13:00 |
psydroid | a filesystem* | 13:00 |
Kilos | yip i can get into /etc/ with gui | 13:01 |
psydroid | ok | 13:01 |
Kilos | and see the 2 shadow files | 13:01 |
psydroid | and what username is in /etc/passwd? | 13:02 |
psydroid | maybe you can just recover the password without recreating the account | 13:03 |
Kilos | its locked | 13:03 |
psydroid | ok | 13:04 |
Kilos | i can chown the whole etc? | 13:04 |
psydroid | no | 13:04 |
Kilos | lol | 13:04 |
psydroid | that's not a good idea | 13:04 |
psydroid | let me go to my computer so I can help you better | 13:05 |
Kilos | only a few files there are locked | 13:05 |
Kilos | ty | 13:05 |
Kilos | im on maverick here . gonna take modem to my unity so i can work from there | 13:11 |
Kilos | hard work running tween pcs | 13:11 |
psydroid | oh | 13:11 |
psydroid | it's actually not that hard | 13:13 |
psydroid | you can chroot into /media/252 GB Filesystem | 13:13 |
psydroid | chroot /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem | 13:14 |
psydroid | probably | 13:14 |
psydroid | or just use tab completion | 13:15 |
Kilos- | lemme try that | 13:15 |
Kilos- | chroot: cannot change root directory to /media/252 GB Filesystem: No such file or directory | 13:16 |
Kilos- | tab moplete bloeps | 13:17 |
Kilos- | complete | 13:17 |
psydroid | chroot /media/[tab] | 13:17 |
psydroid | does it work now? | 13:18 |
Kilos- | nope blope | 13:18 |
Kilos- | bell whatever its called | 13:18 |
Kilos- | the error sound | 13:18 |
psydroid | where exactly is the second drive mounted | 13:19 |
psydroid | mount | 13:19 |
psydroid | should tell you | 13:19 |
Kilos- | i think this is it | 13:20 |
Kilos- | /dev/sdb1 on /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks) | 13:20 |
Kilos- | ill pastebin the output of mount | 13:21 |
inetpro | ai | 13:21 |
psydroid | oh | 13:21 |
psydroid | this is enough info | 13:22 |
Kilos- | http://slexy.org/view/s21707gZBI | 13:22 |
Kilos- | there lotsa stuff | 13:22 |
psydroid | yes | 13:23 |
Kilos- | if it wasnt for all his stuff on there id format and clean install | 13:23 |
psydroid | but the ond you pasted is the relevant one | 13:23 |
Kilos- | its a 500 gB drive split in two looks like | 13:23 |
psydroid | nah, that's not necessary | 13:23 |
psydroid | one* | 13:24 |
Kilos- | ah | 13:24 |
Kilos- | si its chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b | 13:24 |
Kilos- | so | 13:24 |
psydroid | chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b | 13:24 |
psydroid | yes | 13:25 |
Kilos- | ok sec | 13:25 |
Kilos- | bash: chroot: command not found | 13:26 |
Kilos- | sigh | 13:26 |
psydroid | that's strange | 13:26 |
psydroid | I have it on my system | 13:27 |
Kilos- | root@P4:/# chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b | 13:27 |
Kilos- | thats the command i used | 13:27 |
psydroid | that should work | 13:27 |
psydroid | ls /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b | 13:28 |
psydroid | does that work? | 13:28 |
Kilos- | ls: cannot access /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b: No such file or directory | 13:28 |
psydroid | then it got unplugged somehow | 13:29 |
psydroid | or try chroot /media/[tab] | 13:30 |
inetpro | ls -la /media/ | 13:30 |
psydroid | [tab] means press the tab | 13:30 |
Kilos- | total 12 | 13:31 |
Kilos- | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 13 2012 . | 13:31 |
Kilos- | drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Apr 13 2012 .. | 13:31 |
Kilos- | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 13 2012 floppy -> floppy0 | 13:31 |
Kilos- | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 13 2012 floppy0 | 13:31 |
Kilos- | chroot /media/floppy | 13:32 |
Kilos- | thats what tab does now | 13:32 |
Kilos- | ls -la shows 4 lines but says 12 at the top | 13:33 |
Kilos- | of wait | 13:33 |
Kilos- | is it not because i have it open | 13:33 |
Kilos- | mounted so to say | 13:34 |
inetpro | clearly the drive is not mounted | 13:34 |
Kilos- | it shows here in the launcher | 13:34 |
Kilos- | must i unmount it | 13:35 |
inetpro | Kilos-: in the launcher, can you launch it? | 13:35 |
Kilos- | yip | 13:35 |
inetpro | and what is the folder name when you have launched it? | 13:35 |
Kilos- | shows all the ubuntu folders | 13:35 |
Kilos- | 252 GB Filesystem | 13:36 |
inetpro | full path!! | 13:36 |
Kilos- | . /media/252 GB Filesystem | 13:37 |
inetpro | ls -la /media | 13:37 |
inetpro | ls -la /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem | 13:38 |
inetpro | Kilos-: waar kom die dot (". ") vandaan? | 13:38 |
Kilos- | thats so chansever dont think the / is for them | 13:39 |
Kilos- | http://slexy.org/view/s200y9PZZO | 13:39 |
inetpro | ahh | 13:39 |
Kilos- | root@P4:/# ls -la /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem | 13:40 |
Kilos- | ls: cannot access /media/252 GB Filesystem: No such file or directory | 13:40 |
Kilos- | sjoe | 13:40 |
inetpro | ai | 13:40 |
Kilos- | mustnt i unmount it? | 13:40 |
inetpro | wat maak jy tussendeur dat hy so skielik verdwyn? | 13:40 |
Kilos- | unity shows ejec on right click in the launcher | 13:41 |
Kilos- | ek sug miskien te hard | 13:41 |
Kilos- | eject | 13:41 |
inetpro | I say, it's really really simple to recover a password with Ubuntu | 13:41 |
inetpro | Ubuntu has a recovery option in the boot menu | 13:41 |
Kilos- | he dunno what username he used either inetpro | 13:42 |
Kilos- | how do i stop it in the boot menu | 13:42 |
Kilos- | it goes straight to login prompt | 13:42 |
inetpro | Kilos-: what version of Ubuntu? | 13:43 |
Kilos- | 12.04 kde | 13:43 |
Kilos- | i think | 13:43 |
inetpro | http://naveenubuntu.blogspot.com/2012/05/recover-login-password-of-ubuntu-1204.html | 13:44 |
Kilos- | oh my lemme run sudo update-grub and make sure | 13:44 |
Kilos- | sjoe | 13:45 |
Kilos- | Found Ubuntu 11.04 (11.04) on /dev/sdb1 | 13:45 |
Kilos- | Found Ubuntu 10.10 (10.10) on /dev/sdb6 | 13:45 |
inetpro | ok Kilos-, from what noticed in your slexy it seems that /dev/sdb1 is you external drive | 13:46 |
inetpro | that would be 11.04 | 13:46 |
inetpro | am I right? | 13:47 |
Kilos- | yip | 13:47 |
inetpro | obviously there are multiple ways to tackle the problem | 13:48 |
inetpro | and since you have it as an external drive already, just go ahead and follow psydroid's method, but | 13:48 |
Kilos- | i think i got him to install maverick for some reason as well | 13:48 |
inetpro | since, you are struggling to mount that automagically, just go mount it manually | 13:48 |
Kilos- | its plugged in as second harddrive here | 13:48 |
inetpro | mkdir /kilos1104 | 13:49 |
Kilos- | you need to know the path to mount | 13:49 |
inetpro | mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos-1104 | 13:49 |
inetpro | oops | 13:49 |
inetpro | mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos1104 | 13:49 |
inetpro | and eish again | 13:49 |
inetpro | mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos1104 | 13:49 |
Kilos- | lol | 13:49 |
inetpro | watch out for the case!!! | 13:50 |
Kilos- | ah | 13:50 |
Kilos- | ok | 13:50 |
Kilos- | sec | 13:50 |
inetpro | obviously you need root permissions for the above... in other words sudo | 13:51 |
inetpro | sudo mkdir /kilos1104 | 13:52 |
inetpro | sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos1104 | 13:52 |
Kilos- | sudo mkdir /Kilos1104 | 13:52 |
Kilos- | miles@P4:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos1104 | 13:52 |
Kilos- | eish | 13:52 |
inetpro | ai!!! | 13:52 |
inetpro | watch out for the case!!! | 13:52 |
Kilos- | ok must be mounted now | 13:53 |
Kilos- | no ugly comment | 13:54 |
inetpro | NOTE: linux is case sensitive | 13:54 |
Kilos- | yip ty | 13:54 |
inetpro | ls -la /kilos1104 | 13:54 |
Kilos- | nee man ls -la /Kilos1104 | 13:55 |
inetpro | ok | 13:55 |
inetpro | and? | 13:55 |
Kilos- | http://slexy.org/view/s2ED5CdSEr | 13:56 |
Kilos- | everything root | 13:56 |
inetpro | ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad* | 13:56 |
Kilos- | his root or mine? | 13:56 |
inetpro | root is root | 13:56 |
Kilos- | -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 817 Apr 26 2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow | 13:57 |
Kilos- | -rw------- 1 root root 817 Apr 26 2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow- | 13:57 |
inetpro | now go modify the shadow file and just kill the password string | 13:57 |
Kilos- | ok i go ssee | 13:58 |
inetpro | don't mess with the permissions | 13:59 |
Kilos- | still shows an X on it | 13:59 |
inetpro | AFAIAA you should get away by just removing the X | 14:00 |
inetpro | just delete that one character | 14:00 |
Kilos- | isnt that a lock | 14:00 |
inetpro | eh! | 14:00 |
Kilos- | its an X showing in the passwd file | 14:01 |
inetpro | make sure it is the password field | 14:01 |
inetpro | delete the X in the password field | 14:01 |
Kilos- | it shows a file with an X bottom right corner | 14:02 |
inetpro | ai | 14:02 |
inetpro | Kilos-: what editor? | 14:03 |
Kilos- | i just double clicked on /etc/ | 14:03 |
inetpro | sjoe | 14:04 |
psydroid | I think you are trying to edit the file with gedit or something as a regular user | 14:04 |
inetpro | Kilos-: jy's gevaarlik braaf | 14:05 |
Kilos- | gevaarlik dom | 14:05 |
psydroid | don't you have nano? | 14:05 |
Kilos- | i have gedit installed | 14:05 |
psydroid | well, yes | 14:05 |
Kilos- | just need to work out that path | 14:05 |
inetpro | Kilos-: nano is ook baie eenvoudig om te leer, net soos gedit maar op die cli | 14:06 |
Kilos- | must it now go through /Kilos11.04 | 14:06 |
inetpro | psydroid: help him with your chroot method | 14:06 |
inetpro | it's now mounted at /Kilos1104 | 14:07 |
Kilos- | nie nou tyd om te leer nie inetpro het seker 6 of 8 drives om vanaand reg te maak | 14:07 |
Kilos- | hy ry more weer | 14:07 |
psydroid | inetpro, ok | 14:07 |
inetpro | ek weet nie wat psydroid se metode is nie | 14:07 |
Kilos- | im lost all sides. head thumping too | 14:07 |
psydroid | inetpro, just regular unix stuff | 14:08 |
Kilos- | but no time and power just went | 14:08 |
inetpro | ai | 14:08 |
Kilos- | wbb | 14:08 |
psydroid | chroot /Kilos1104 | 14:08 |
psydroid | adduser | 14:08 |
Kilos- | dorry psy | 14:09 |
Kilos- | gotta run | 14:09 |
Kilos- | ups screeming | 14:09 |
* inetpro also lost power but back now, and on me phone's hotspot | 14:20 | |
inetpro | so psydroid when you've chrooted what is the next step? | 14:21 |
psydroid | inetpro, you just edit /etc/shadow to take out the password, run "passwd <user>" or run "adduser", there are many different ways to recover passwords | 14:23 |
inetpro | true | 14:24 |
psydroid | I used slackware for many years so I got intimately familiar with doing these things from the command line | 14:24 |
inetpro | ahh, that makes good sense | 14:25 |
* inetpro just haven't done it with the chroot method before... even looks like the easiest method | 14:26 | |
=== Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
psydroid | it mostly worked on solaris too | 14:29 |
inetpro | I have blanked out the password field many times before but they keep changing things these days | 14:29 |
inetpro | like hiding the grub menu or using encryption... | 14:30 |
inetpro | makes it a little bit more difficult but nothing is fool proof when you have physical access | 14:30 |
psydroid | yeah | 14:37 |
inetpro | and if I remember correctly you can get to the grub menu by holding shift down during the boot process just after the bios options | 14:39 |
psydroid | I think so too, but it doesn't always work | 14:50 |
psydroid | because the graphical grub menu doesn't always show up on older ubuntu versions | 14:52 |
Kilos | sjoe long power off | 15:34 |
Kilos | lemme try get all them stuffs going again | 15:34 |
Kilos | psydroid, i got it mounted with this command | 15:43 |
Kilos | ouput of ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad* is | 15:44 |
Kilos | root@P4:~# ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad* | 15:45 |
Kilos | -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 817 Apr 26 2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow | 15:45 |
Kilos | -rw------- 1 root root 817 Apr 26 2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow- | 15:45 |
Kilos | how we sort them passwords now please | 15:45 |
Kilos | looks like username is pc or Pc | 15:45 |
Kilos | me forgets | 15:45 |
inetpro | wb Kilos | 15:46 |
inetpro | Kilos: I like psydroid's method with the chroot | 15:46 |
Kilos | ty inetpro 22mm and lotsa donner bliksem | 15:46 |
Kilos | ok lets do it | 15:46 |
Kilos | must i exit from root? | 15:46 |
inetpro | chroot /Kilos1104 | 15:47 |
inetpro | no | 15:47 |
psydroid | wb Kilos | 15:47 |
Kilos | bash: groups: command not found | 15:48 |
Kilos | ty psydroid | 15:48 |
Kilos | it dont like that command again | 15:49 |
Kilos | sigh | 15:49 |
psydroid | you mean the chroot command? | 15:49 |
Kilos | ya | 15:50 |
Kilos | chroot /Kilos1104 | 15:50 |
inetpro | Kilos: how come it says groups: command not found ? | 15:50 |
Kilos | ?? | 15:50 |
Kilos | root@P4:/# chroot /Kilos1104 | 15:51 |
Kilos | bash: chroot: command not found | 15:51 |
Kilos | you the expert why ask me | 15:51 |
inetpro | hmm... | 15:51 |
Kilos | hehe i will make you old like me | 15:52 |
inetpro | Kilos: ls -la /Kilos1104/etc | 15:52 |
inetpro | put that on slexy | 15:52 |
inetpro | unless there's little output | 15:53 |
Kilos | ls: cannot access /Kilos1104/etc: No such file or directory | 15:53 |
inetpro | aha | 15:53 |
inetpro | so your drive is not mounted meneer!? | 15:53 |
Kilos | root@P4:~# mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos1104 | 15:54 |
Kilos | root@P4:~# ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad* | 15:54 |
inetpro | oi | 15:54 |
Kilos | no error there | 15:54 |
Kilos | what oi? | 15:55 |
* inetpro trying to think | 15:55 | |
Kilos | hehe | 15:56 |
inetpro | ahh, I think I know what it is | 15:57 |
Kilos | i can mount it by launching home and then that filesystem size drive again if you like | 15:58 |
Kilos | tell | 15:58 |
inetpro | I guess he put his stuff across multiple partitions | 15:58 |
Kilos | he has 1104 on first 252g and maverick on rest of drive | 15:59 |
Kilos | no /root / and /home like i do | 15:59 |
inetpro | hmm... | 15:59 |
Kilos | he let kde decide | 15:59 |
inetpro | cat Kilos1104/etc/fstab | 16:00 |
inetpro | cat /Kilos1104/etc/fstab | 16:00 |
Kilos | cat: /Kilos1104/etc/fstab: No such file or directory | 16:00 |
inetpro | hmm... you sure that shado* still returns stuff ? | 16:01 |
Kilos | lemme try | 16:01 |
Kilos | nope | 16:02 |
Kilos | something gone | 16:02 |
Kilos | i mount again | 16:02 |
inetpro | umount first | 16:02 |
Kilos | gotta find it first | 16:03 |
inetpro | umount /dev/sdb1 | 16:03 |
inetpro | then pull it out and push it back in before you mount again | 16:03 |
Kilos | umount: /dev/sdb1: not found | 16:03 |
Kilos | cant do that with power running its plugged in as second hdd here | 16:04 |
inetpro | oh ya... forgot that it's a normal disk | 16:04 |
inetpro | shutdown and make sure it's properly seated | 16:05 |
Kilos | ok be back asap | 16:05 |
Kilos | ok do i go sudo -i to start | 16:09 |
Kilos | easier than typing sudo all the time | 16:09 |
Kilos | root@P4:~# mount /dev/sdb1 | 16:12 |
Kilos | mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab | 16:12 |
inetpro | mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos1104 | 16:12 |
Kilos | ok back to prompt | 16:12 |
inetpro | Kilos: just be careful when on the hash/root prompt | 16:13 |
Kilos | ok | 16:13 |
inetpro | now do the chroot thing | 16:13 |
Kilos | i copy paste what you tell me | 16:13 |
inetpro | chroot /Kilos1104 | 16:13 |
Kilos | root@P4:~# chroot /Kilos1104 | 16:14 |
Kilos | bash: groups: command not found | 16:14 |
Kilos | ai | 16:14 |
inetpro | ai | 16:14 |
inetpro | did the prompt change? | 16:15 |
Kilos | i try | 16:15 |
Kilos | ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad* | 16:15 |
inetpro | Kilos: did the prompt change? | 16:15 |
Kilos | ya went ot next line | 16:16 |
inetpro | Kilos: did the prompt change? | 16:16 |
inetpro | is it different? | 16:16 |
Kilos | no | 16:16 |
inetpro | I think you've perhaps successfully chrooted | 16:16 |
Kilos | same root | 16:16 |
inetpro | are you sure? | 16:17 |
inetpro | look carefully | 16:17 |
Kilos | root@P4:/# | 16:17 |
inetpro | root@P4:~# vs root@P4:/# | 16:17 |
inetpro | there's a difference | 16:17 |
inetpro | now your /Kilos1104/etc is just /etc | 16:18 |
inetpro | Kilos: what's the username he used? | 16:18 |
Kilos | pc or Pc | 16:18 |
inetpro | check the passwd file | 16:18 |
inetpro | cat /etc/passwd | 16:18 |
inetpro | make sure about the case | 16:19 |
inetpro | then go change his password with the passwd command | 16:20 |
Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s21v0wT6Ty | 16:20 |
inetpro | ai | 16:20 |
Kilos | i can only make sure about it if i try boot there again | 16:21 |
inetpro | is dit alles? | 16:21 |
Kilos | found the recovery bit and tried | 16:21 |
inetpro | nee wag | 16:21 |
inetpro | just adduser | 16:21 |
inetpro | or is it useradd | 16:22 |
Kilos | ? | 16:22 |
Kilos | i dunno how to do that inetpro | 16:23 |
inetpro | Kilos: adduser koos | 16:23 |
inetpro | and follow the easy prompts | 16:24 |
Kilos | bash: adduser: command not found | 16:24 |
Kilos | sigh | 16:24 |
inetpro | hmm... | 16:24 |
inetpro | Kilos: useradd piet | 16:26 |
inetpro | passwd piet | 16:26 |
Kilos | why not koos anymore | 16:26 |
inetpro | your choice :-) | 16:26 |
Kilos | bash: useradd: command not found | 16:26 |
inetpro | anything that is not yet in the password dv | 16:27 |
inetpro | db* | 16:27 |
inetpro | ai | 16:27 |
inetpro | cat /etc/fstab | 16:27 |
inetpro | I think his /usr was in a different partition | 16:27 |
Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s21WQ4j7O0 | 16:28 |
inetpro | hmm... | 16:29 |
charl | good evening | 16:29 |
Kilos | does that mean anything to you | 16:29 |
Kilos | hi charl | 16:29 |
charl | hi Kilos | 16:30 |
charl | Maaz: coffee on | 16:30 |
* Maaz starts grinding coffee | 16:30 | |
charl | how's it going? | 16:30 |
inetpro | Kilos: ls -l /usr/sbin/useradd | 16:30 |
Kilos | battling with sons drive | 16:30 |
inetpro | hi charl | 16:30 |
charl | hi inetpro | 16:31 |
charl | Kilos: ah, hw problems? | 16:31 |
Kilos | ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/useradd: No such file or directory | 16:31 |
inetpro | Kilos: something is amiss | 16:31 |
inetpro | Kilos: ls -l /usr/bin/ | 16:32 |
Kilos | yeah lost boot sector or something and after boot-repair cant get in with name/password | 16:32 |
Kilos | ls: cannot access /usr/bin/: No such file or directory | 16:32 |
Kilos | cant be mounted | 16:32 |
inetpro | Kilos: is the data on there impoirtant? | 16:32 |
Trixar_za | ... | 16:32 |
Trixar_za | It's adduser | 16:32 |
Trixar_za | not useradd | 16:32 |
charl | Trixar_za: useradd also exists | 16:33 |
psydroid | hoi charl | 16:33 |
charl | they are two separate utilities | 16:33 |
Kilos | it cant find any of those commands | 16:33 |
charl | why there are two i don't know | 16:33 |
charl | psydroid: hi | 16:33 |
inetpro | useradd is lower level | 16:33 |
charl | Kilos: paste us a ls / maybe? | 16:34 |
inetpro | Kilos: is the data on there impoirtant? | 16:34 |
psydroid | I think adduser is just a script for your convenience | 16:34 |
inetpro | exactly | 16:34 |
Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 16:34 |
charl | yeah i think that's correct psydroid | 16:34 |
charl | come to think of it, i don't even know which one i normally use | 16:34 |
inetpro | Kilos: is the data on there important? | 16:34 |
charl | i don't add users to my system very often | 16:34 |
charl | i think adduser is easier | 16:34 |
Kilos | too small to paste | 16:34 |
Kilos | bin etc lib mnt root srv usr | 16:35 |
Kilos | boot home lost+found opt sbin sys var | 16:35 |
Kilos | dev initrd.img media proc selinux tmp vmlinuz | 16:35 |
* inetpro would suggest backing up important data and reformatting | 16:35 | |
Kilos | yes lotsa importand info | 16:35 |
Kilos | thats why he waited to bring | 16:35 |
charl | your usr is there, what's ls /usr and /usr/sbin ? | 16:35 |
Kilos | ls /usr nothing | 16:36 |
charl | ah ok there is something weird already | 16:36 |
inetpro | charl: you came in late... just for the record, that is a chrooted 2nd HDD | 16:36 |
charl | inetpro: oh i see, thanks | 16:36 |
Kilos | ls: cannot access /usr/sbin: No such file or directory | 16:36 |
charl | Kilos: i think inetpro has a point, it might be easier to just backup the important data and then reformat ? | 16:37 |
charl | if you know where to find the important data that is | 16:37 |
psydroid | it should be in /home | 16:37 |
Kilos | nope i dunno whats where | 16:37 |
Kilos | better i chown /etc/ | 16:37 |
psydroid | that will kill the system for sure | 16:38 |
inetpro | Kilos: /etc is normally not important apart from unlikely custom IP adderses etc | 16:38 |
Kilos | change password and then try boot | 16:38 |
inetpro | addresses as well | 16:38 |
Trixar_za | No, adduser is the original. useradd was added for convience. That's why it does not exist within busybox systems. It's a debianism | 16:39 |
inetpro | Kilos: there's no visible proper user name to start with | 16:39 |
inetpro | Trixar_za: interesting | 16:39 |
Kilos | lemme go try boot from it again and make sure | 16:39 |
inetpro | Kilos: hang on | 16:39 |
Kilos | ok | 16:39 |
inetpro | you said there's a 2nd Ubuntu partition? | 16:39 |
Kilos | saw pc or Pc at the place you enter password | 16:40 |
Trixar_za | or a redhatism - I know somebody added it. whois and whereis also doesn't exist with busybox systems. | 16:40 |
Kilos | ya | 16:40 |
inetpro | 10/11 15:45:34 <Kilos-> Found Ubuntu 10.10 (10.10) on /dev/sdb6 | 16:40 |
Trixar_za | Although I think whois might get added eventually | 16:40 |
Kilos | the other one is 240 GB Filesystem | 16:41 |
inetpro | Kilos: is that another different physical drive? | 16:41 |
inetpro | can't be because then it would be sdc | 16:42 |
Kilos | its a partition in same 500 gB drive | 16:42 |
inetpro | ok, tell me what exactly you are trying to achieve | 16:42 |
Kilos | who me? | 16:42 |
inetpro | Kilos: yes :-) | 16:42 |
inetpro | Kilos: is it not better to use the bigger partition? | 16:43 |
Kilos | i want him to be able to put it back in his pc and carry on working from it | 16:43 |
inetpro | we can try to crack the passwd on that one | 16:43 |
inetpro | Kilos: quick quick, let's try | 16:43 |
Kilos | one sec | 16:44 |
inetpro | type exit to get out of chroot | 16:44 |
Kilos | lemme mount it from home then we look at ls et | 16:44 |
Kilos | etc | 16:44 |
Kilos | oh its gone since mounting | 16:44 |
Kilos | oh my | 16:44 |
Kilos | ok heres an idea | 16:45 |
Kilos | will i be able to trash the shadow files in gui from home | 16:45 |
inetpro | Kilos: don't do that!!! | 16:45 |
Kilos | other wise chown the whole thing | 16:45 |
Kilos | oh | 16:45 |
inetpro | who asked you to do that? | 16:46 |
Kilos | is my idea | 16:46 |
inetpro | ai | 16:46 |
Kilos | then passwds gone isnt it | 16:46 |
Kilos | i dunno whats in them shadow files | 16:46 |
inetpro | you mess up a whole lot of stuffs by chowning | 16:46 |
inetpro | ther are a lot of file with many different user ownerships | 16:47 |
Kilos | maybe the password is corrupted because he tried all he could remember | 16:47 |
* inetpro has to go buy some milk | 16:48 | |
Kilos | then i gotta just get the correct path to shadow and gedit it | 16:48 |
inetpro | should get me self a cow | 16:48 |
Kilos | lol | 16:48 |
inetpro | Kilos: sorry... I be back laters | 16:48 |
charl | inetpro: but then you have to milk the smelly thing | 16:48 |
charl | :D | 16:48 |
Kilos | np guoosie | 16:48 |
inetpro | lots of others who can help here | 16:48 |
Kilos | ya lets see who got ideas | 16:49 |
charl | and your garden stinks of cow dung :( | 16:49 |
Kilos | come on charl Trixar_za | 16:49 |
Kilos | psydroid, | 16:49 |
inetpro | Kilos: just before I go, just trust that method of psydroid, it works | 16:49 |
Kilos | yip if i can find the files it can | 16:50 |
Kilos | psydroid, coooweee | 16:50 |
Kilos | cant one boot from cd and change a password in the installation | 16:50 |
inetpro | unmount the previous partition and mount the new device /dev/sdb6 and map it to Kilos1104 | 16:50 |
inetpro | stupid choice of name by me earlier | 16:51 |
* inetpro wbb | 16:51 | |
Kilos | lol | 16:51 |
Kilos | ty inetpro | 16:51 |
psydroid | Kilos, where exactly are you now in the password recovery stage? | 16:52 |
Kilos | whew psydroid we cant do niks | 16:53 |
psydroid | Kilos, waarom niet? | 16:54 |
Kilos | no commands work after mounting to that Kilos1104 place | 16:54 |
Kilos | i dunno | 16:54 |
Kilos | now it wont umount | 16:54 |
Kilos | grrr | 16:54 |
psydroid | but the directories are still there? | 16:54 |
psydroid | most of them at least? | 16:54 |
Kilos | everything must still be there | 16:54 |
Kilos | lemme reboot and mount from gui | 16:55 |
psydroid | and you said there is a second installation | 16:55 |
psydroid | of maverick on the same drive | 16:55 |
Kilos | yip drive split in 2 | 16:55 |
Kilos | 11.04 kde on first and maverick on second | 16:55 |
Kilos | but both passwds gone mal | 16:55 |
psydroid | it's always a good idea to create a separate /home partition | 16:56 |
psydroid | so you can reinstall an operating system without worrying about data loss | 16:56 |
Kilos | yip he hasnt been that deep into ubuntu yet. too busy with woinsucks at work | 16:56 |
Kilos | maybe i can open home from here and copy it somewhere | 16:57 |
psydroid | I guess it would be too hard to just copy everything over to a backup drive | 16:57 |
Kilos | drag and drop to my drive or something | 16:57 |
psydroid | oh that would be great | 16:57 |
Kilos | oh ya its 500gig | 16:58 |
Kilos | lemme try | 16:58 |
psydroid | is the drive still connected? | 16:58 |
psydroid | wait | 16:58 |
Kilos | dunno how much space needed | 16:58 |
Kilos | yes? | 16:58 |
psydroid | where is it mounted? | 16:58 |
psydroid | you can calculate the space | 16:58 |
Kilos | i dunno doesnt show here in unity launcher like a mount from home | 16:59 |
Kilos | lemme reboot | 16:59 |
Kilos | will look at it from home and see | 16:59 |
psydroid | ok | 16:59 |
Kilos | but unity not lekker like maverick for doing this | 16:59 |
Kilos | wbb | 16:59 |
Squirm | good evening | 17:01 |
Squirm | anyone know a site where I can stream the rugby? besides SuperSport | 17:01 |
charl | Squirm: radio or tv? | 17:09 |
Squirm | tv | 17:10 |
Squirm | @ charl | 17:11 |
Squirm | cause there are lots of members only websites | 17:11 |
charl | radio.de has a lot of radio stations but i don't know about tv | 17:16 |
Squirm | seems like the irb website has a radio station too | 17:17 |
Squirm | online | 17:17 |
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inetpro | hmm.... | 18:11 |
* inetpro is back but Kilos is gone? | 18:11 | |
charl | hi smile4ever | 19:13 |
charl | how's it going | 19:13 |
smile4ever | fine :D | 19:13 |
smile4ever | do you use techradar? :D | 19:13 |
charl | not really | 19:14 |
charl | what is it? | 19:14 |
smile4ever | a news site :p | 19:14 |
smile4ever | tech minded | 19:14 |
charl | ah | 19:14 |
smile4ever | I wrote a user style for it :) | 19:14 |
smile4ever | http://userstyles.org/styles/78158/techradar-clean-white-centered :) | 19:14 |
charl | i tend to follow tweakers but there are too many of these types of sites | 19:14 |
charl | ah | 19:15 |
smile4ever | tweakers.net, charl ? :p | 19:16 |
charl | ja | 19:17 |
smile4ever | :) | 19:17 |
charl | but i try to keep it at that, otherwise i spend the whole day reading news and i don't get to work :) | 19:17 |
smile4ever | I use Google Reader to manage them :p | 19:17 |
charl | i used to use a feed reader but also couldn't keep up | 19:17 |
charl | then the unread items just heaps up and gives me anxiety :P | 19:17 |
charl | it almost feels like your mailbox that goes out of control :D | 19:17 |
smile4ever | lol :D | 19:26 |
smile4ever | you can subscribe to whatever you like :p | 19:26 |
smile4ever | and unsubscribe if it gets too much :p | 19:26 |
smile4ever | byee :p | 19:33 |
Squirm | Maaz: tell Trixar_za that I've decided to do the Cadiz Freedom swim next year(that's if I qualify, don't know how to yet) | 22:24 |
Maaz | Squirm: Got it, I'll tell Trixar_za on freenode | 22:24 |
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