/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/11/10/#ubuntu-za.txt

Kiloscremora minora05:24
Kiloshiya SmilyBorg_h 05:26
SmilyBorg_hhi there05:28
Kiloslo magespawn 06:13
Kilosor is it just your core lurking here06:13
KilosMaaz, coffee on06:55
* Maaz puts the kettle on06:55
SquirmMaaz: coffee please06:55
MaazSquirm: Sure06:55
Squirmand lot's of it06:55
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and Squirm!06:59
Kiloshehe hey Squirm 06:59
KilosMaaz, thanks man06:59
MaazKilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)06:59
Kiloslo mazal 07:02
mazalMorning everyone07:02
mazalGaanit oom Kilos ?07:02
Kilosrdelik dankie en jy mazal ?07:02
SquirmMaaz: thanks07:02
MaazSquirm: No problem07:02
Squirmmy head hurts :/07:02
Kilosmin mense hier saterdag oggend07:02
Kilosself inflicted punishment Squirm ?07:03
mazalKla nie dankie07:03
Squirmthat depends on who was buying07:03
Kiloslol07:03
Kilosi dont savvy the drinking bit at todays prices07:04
Kilosmuch better things to do with money07:04
SquirmI guess07:04
Squirmbut at R17 a draught07:05
Squirmcome now07:05
mazalShees !!!07:05
mazalWhen I drank it was like R707:05
Squirmmeh07:05
Squirmand I thought R17 was cheap07:05
Kiloshehe07:06
mazalOh btw Kilos , one of the last things I saw on Thursday was where I am07:06
Kilosmazal, ?07:07
Kilosoh my07:07
Kilospeer got him07:07
Kiloswb mazal 07:08
* mazal mubels something07:08
mazalta07:08
Kilosso explain what you mean by where you are07:08
mazalNow I don't know what you saw and what not lol07:08
* Kilos scratches head07:08
mazalas I was saying , you asked if I am at Bavies or Zonderwater07:08
Kilosoh you mean with xchat07:08
mazalIt's Zonderwater07:08
Kiloswhew i forgot that already07:09
Kilosah ty07:09
Kiloshave they fixed your windows yet07:10
mazalNope , that gonna take weeks if not months07:10
Kilosor must you wait for next budget07:10
mazalHundreds of windows broken here07:10
Kiloshow many of yours07:10
mazal1307:10
Kiloswow07:10
Kiloshow big is the place you stay in07:11
mazalJust at the flats side there is 54 flats , none who's windows survived07:11
Kilosor group thing07:11
mazalThen there is plenty of houses as well07:11
mazalMany windows broken there07:11
mazalThen there is all the offices , many broken there07:11
Kilosi mean yours only to secure the place so pc can come home07:11
mazalThen there is the prison , many broken there as well07:12
mazalI would actually like to know the total number.07:12
mazalJa I miss my pc man07:12
mazalBut is a good thing also , teaches me not to like worldly things too much07:12
Kiloslol07:13
mazalAnd be happy with basics07:13
Kilosbasics is a P2 running tinycorelinux07:13
mazalall these things can't go with one when you go anyway , so it shouldn't be so important07:14
Kilosno but its where you can learn how to do things to improve the path ahead07:14
mazalBut ya , I dunno when it will be fixed07:15
mazalI'm just waiting for my firned to phone then we gonna do his windows , he lives on a farm so he must do his own07:15
Kilosone would think its like a priority because now it can rain in07:15
mazalI was thinking of getting a private contractor to come and so mine , but sjoe , don't have the money07:15
Kilosdo it yourself07:16
Kilosnot a big job07:16
Kilosi dunno what windows cost though anymore07:16
mazalThe glass will be too expensive07:16
mazaldon't have that kind of money07:16
Kilosai07:16
Kilostough in africa07:17
mazal13 windows from which most is big ones , will be thousands07:17
Kiloswow07:17
mazalMy biggest struggle is all my software en everything is on the pc07:17
Kilosyoure xchat fixed now07:17
Kilosno more ubuntu07:17
mazalI basically only have my docs07:17
Kilosdocs?07:18
mazalDocuments07:18
Kiloswhere07:18
Kilosim a bit slow sorry07:18
mazalThat I copied to a usb stick before I unplugged , so I have that with me07:18
Kilosnot a good head day07:18
mazalBut everything else on pc07:18
Kilosah07:18
mazalBut this morning I already gor my distribution lists back into my Thunderbird07:19
mazalgot even07:19
Kiloslol07:19
mazalSo I can do all my basics at least07:19
mazalBut my video editing and converting. standing still now07:20
Kilosi used to use aptoncd but it dont work lekker in 12.0407:20
mazalNah remastersys iso is best. I have all my apps , but no space to use it07:20
Kilosi didnt have a dvdwr07:21
Kilosrw07:21
Kilosand iso always too big for cd07:22
mazalAnd it's those little things that's annoying , like backups is by hand now. Only the files that changed gets copied by hand to a stick07:22
Kilosyou dont use deja-dup07:22
Kilos?07:22
mazalOne can't change too much on this temporary solution , otherwise one have to change everything again when pc comes back07:23
mazalPc has about 10 backup jobs to different locations07:23
mazalAll main things are on there07:23
Kilossjoe07:23
mazalJa , 3 different externals07:23
mazalI have a very "complicated" backup setup , and the source is the pc07:24
mazalSo can't rely change everything now and then have to change again when it comes back07:24
mazalGonna get confused lol07:24
Kilosyeah07:24
mazalSo for now will just manually copy /home/.thunderbird and all docs that changed to a stick everynight07:25
mazalWat 'n gesukkel lol07:25
Kiloseina07:25
mazalBUT , could have been waaaaaayy worse. I could not have had the laptop. Then I would have nothing at all now07:26
Kiloseish07:27
Kilosi sukkel with lappy's07:27
Kilosthe mouse thing etc07:28
mazalI just struggle with the touch-pad07:28
mazallol ditto !07:28
mazalI just can't get used to it , I mostly plug in a mouse07:28
Kilosplug in a usb mouse07:29
Kiloslol07:29
Kilosi gotta look at keyboard when typing so often ask something thats just been answered07:29
mazalHehehe , I see I have a bit of lag this morning07:30
mazalThat lag bar is constantly filling up07:31
Kilosim not a geek im a diesel mechanic farmer etc07:31
Kilosmine shows .3 secs07:31
Kiloshover mouse over it07:31
mazalJumping between 0.5 and 1.0 here07:32
KilosMaaz, ping mazal 07:32
MaazKilos: Error: unknown host mazal07:32
Kilosoh my07:32
mazalMaaz don't know me lol07:32
Maazmazal: Huh?07:32
KilosMaaz, whois mazal 07:32
MaazKilos: What?07:32
Kiloshmm domdonner07:33
Kilosshould give him my email addy07:33
mazalMaaz, ping 192.168.0.207:34
Maazmazal: 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4000ms07:34
mazalNah that won't work07:35
Kilosthere is a ctcp thing if you got other bits added07:36
Kiloscant find it now07:40
* mazal gonna grab some koffee07:40
Kilosah the ping thing only works in a dialogue window07:50
mazalWhat's the command oom Kilos ?07:52
mazalAh ok , got it07:53
mazal1.43s to you07:53
mazalmaaz, google clone linux07:59
Maazmazal: "clone(2): create child process - Linux man page" http://linux.die.net/man/2/clone :: "clone (Linux system call) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_(Linux_system_call) :: "Clonezilla - About" http://clonezilla.org/ :: "The Best Disk Cloning App for Linux" http://lifehacker.com/5891933/the-best-disk-cloning-app-for-linux ::07:59
Maaz"2 Methods To Clone Your Linux Hard Drive" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/2-methods-to-clo…07:59
Kiloshehe i go move sheeps08:01
* mazal is off to go help friend with windows08:06
mazalBye all08:06
mazalHave a blessed day08:06
Kilostoods08:06
Kiloswork hard08:06
mazalWill od :)08:07
mazaldo even , ai08:07
Kiloshehe08:07
Kilosoh my splits again08:17
Kiloswbb11:17
=== Kilosm is now known as wolfeyes
wolfeyesHeya everyone.12:10
wolfeyesI need to change a kde password on a drive that I have plugged in as a 2nd drive. How do I go about this please.12:11
wolfeyesSquirm, you da clever fello according to kilos.12:11
=== Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za
psydroidhi wolfeyes12:14
psydroidhi Trixar_za12:14
wolfeyesheya psydroid 12:14
psydroidhoi Cantide, Ludo en zeref12:15
psydroidhave you mounted the drive?12:15
Trixar_zaHey psydroid12:16
psydroidif so you can chroot into the installation and reset the password12:16
psydroidor you can edit the /etc/shadow file and remove the password12:16
psydroidif the partition isn't encrypted, that is12:17
=== wolfeyes is now known as kilos
WOLFEYEShmm12:21
kiloshey you clever guys. howm i gonna chamge the password on that second drive12:22
=== kilos is now known as Kilos
Kiloswhew12:23
KilosTrixar_za, talk to me12:23
Kiloseverything rushed here. got one night to do lotsa work12:24
=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za
Kilospsydroid, wassup12:29
Kilospsydroid, i have his drive plugged in as a second drive on my pc so i can still boot from my unity.12:38
Kilosdid a boot repair from unity and then went to boot from his drive but he dont remember login name and password anymore12:39
Kilosso its at the login prompt at the moment on his kde12:39
Kilosbtw wolfeyes is my son12:39
Kiloscan i boot from my unity and change his name and password?12:41
psydroidKilos, what I told you above should work, you just need to reset or remove the password from your installation12:41
psydroidsure12:41
Ludohi guys12:42
Kiloshi Ludo wb12:42
Ludoso just me basically checking is there any computer store where I can walk in and buy ubuntu preinstalled with support?12:42
Kiloswhole month you didnt visit12:42
LudoThanks kilos12:42
Ludoerm :/ I should be logging in at least I'm just lurking :P12:43
Kiloslol12:43
Kilosno man always say hi to the guys12:43
LudoAnd to be honest I mostly just chat when I should be studying12:43
Kilosah12:43
Ludobecause its a bit harder to leave the house for 30 minutes and go find someone to chat to and after 30 minutes to study again12:44
Kilosya12:45
Kilosthere were a few places selling lappys with ubuntu preinstalled on the lists a while ago12:45
Kilossupport you get here12:45
inetproLudo: why do you want to pay for support when you can support yourself?12:45
Ludommm can you maybe give me a date etc so that I can go scan the lists?12:46
inetproKilos: tell mazal he should replace all his broken windows with ubuntu12:46
Kilosfew months back ludo12:46
Kiloslol good one inetpro 12:47
Ludodon't worry i will just google12:47
Kilosk12:47
inetproLudo: what are you googling for?12:47
inetproLinux in general supports a wider range of devices than Windows, just build your own12:48
Kiloshe wants to buy a ubuntu preinstalled pc inetpro 12:49
inetproKilos: but why?12:49
inetproLudo has to much money?12:49
Kilosso it doesnt come with winsucks costs added i spose12:49
Kilospsydroid, do i just trash the 2 shadow files in his /etc/12:50
inetproKilos: hmmm12:51
psydroidKilos, no, you edit /etc/shadow12:51
Kilosif it shows name and password i could gedit hem12:51
Kilosthen gotta chown them first12:52
inetproMaaz: google recover password ubuntu12:52
Maazinetpro: "How to reset your password in Ubuntu" http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword :: "How-To Recover password under Ubuntu | Ubuntu Geek" http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recover-password-under-ubuntu.html :: "recovery - Recover password - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/148741/recover-password :: "Reset Your Forgotten Ubuntu Password in 212:52
MaazMinutes or Less - How ..." http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubunt…12:52
Kilosthere are 2 shadow files12:52
Kilosah dankie12:52
psydroidKilos, no, don't do that12:52
Kilosoh12:53
psydroidI mean, don't chown the files12:53
Kiloshe doesnt remember the username either12:53
psydroidI always do those things as root12:53
Kiloshe only getting 20% oxygen from lungs so forgets lots12:54
Kilosok then i just gotta work out the correct path12:54
psydroidoh, then you can add a new username and password12:54
psydroidyes12:54
psydroidare you in a root shell?12:54
psydroidsudo su -12:54
Kilosim on my untiy at the moment 12:55
Kilosunity12:55
psydroidso you can start Terminal12:55
inetproKilos: boot into recovery mode on that disk12:55
Kilosok im root now12:56
Kilosit doesnt show that inetpro goes straight to login prompt12:56
psydroidwhere is the second drive mounted?12:57
psydroidmount should give the answer12:57
psydroidsomething in /media12:57
Kiloshmm12:58
Kilosgrrr12:58
psydroidmaybe tab completion works12:58
Kilos      ..  /media/252 GB Filesystem12:58
Kilosstarting here with / dont work12:59
psydroidyeah, strange name12:59
Kilosthats how my unity sees it12:59
psydroidbut there is filesystem on it with /bin /etc /home etc.?13:00
psydroida filesystem*13:00
Kilosyip i can get into /etc/ with gui13:01
psydroidok13:01
Kilosand see the 2 shadow files13:01
psydroidand what username is in /etc/passwd?13:02
psydroidmaybe you can just recover the password without recreating the account13:03
Kilosits locked13:03
psydroidok13:04
Kilosi can chown the whole etc?13:04
psydroidno13:04
Kiloslol13:04
psydroidthat's not a good idea13:04
psydroidlet me go to my computer so I can help you better13:05
Kilosonly a few files there are locked13:05
Kilosty13:05
Kilosim on maverick here . gonna take modem to my unity so i can work from there13:11
Kiloshard work running tween pcs13:11
psydroidoh13:11
psydroidit's actually not that hard13:13
psydroidyou can chroot into /media/252 GB Filesystem13:13
psydroidchroot /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem13:14
psydroidprobably13:14
psydroidor just use tab completion13:15
Kilos-lemme try that13:15
Kilos-chroot: cannot change root directory to /media/252 GB Filesystem: No such file or directory13:16
Kilos-tab moplete bloeps13:17
Kilos-complete13:17
psydroidchroot /media/[tab]13:17
psydroiddoes it work now?13:18
Kilos-nope blope13:18
Kilos-bell whatever its called13:18
Kilos-the error sound13:18
psydroidwhere exactly is the second drive mounted13:19
psydroidmount13:19
psydroidshould tell you13:19
Kilos-i think this is it13:20
Kilos-/dev/sdb1 on /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)13:20
Kilos-ill pastebin the output of mount13:21
inetproai13:21
psydroidoh13:21
psydroidthis is enough info13:22
Kilos-http://slexy.org/view/s21707gZBI13:22
Kilos-there lotsa stuff13:22
psydroidyes13:23
Kilos-if it wasnt for all his stuff on there id format and clean install13:23
psydroidbut the ond you pasted is the relevant one13:23
Kilos-its a 500 gB drive split in two looks like13:23
psydroidnah, that's not necessary13:23
psydroidone*13:24
Kilos-ah13:24
Kilos-si its chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b13:24
Kilos-so13:24
psydroidchroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b13:24
psydroidyes13:25
Kilos-ok sec13:25
Kilos-bash: chroot: command not found13:26
Kilos-sigh13:26
psydroidthat's strange13:26
psydroidI have it on my system13:27
Kilos-root@P4:/# chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b13:27
Kilos-thats the command i used13:27
psydroidthat should work13:27
psydroidls /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b13:28
psydroiddoes that work?13:28
Kilos-ls: cannot access /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b: No such file or directory13:28
psydroidthen it got unplugged somehow13:29
psydroidor try chroot /media/[tab]13:30
inetprols -la /media/13:30
psydroid[tab] means press the tab13:30
Kilos-total 1213:31
Kilos-drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 Apr 13  2012 .13:31
Kilos-drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Apr 13  2012 ..13:31
Kilos-lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    7 Apr 13  2012 floppy -> floppy013:31
Kilos-drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Apr 13  2012 floppy013:31
Kilos-chroot /media/floppy13:32
Kilos-thats what tab does now13:32
Kilos-ls -la shows 4 lines but says 12 at the top13:33
Kilos- of wait13:33
Kilos-is it not because i have it open13:33
Kilos-mounted so to say13:34
inetproclearly the drive is not mounted13:34
Kilos-it shows here in the launcher13:34
Kilos-must i unmount it13:35
inetproKilos-: in the launcher, can you launch it?13:35
Kilos-yip13:35
inetproand what is the folder name when you have launched it?13:35
Kilos-shows all the ubuntu folders13:35
Kilos-252 GB Filesystem13:36
inetprofull path!!13:36
Kilos-  .  /media/252 GB Filesystem13:37
inetprols -la /media13:37
inetprols -la /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem13:38
inetproKilos-: waar kom die dot (". ") vandaan?13:38
Kilos-thats so chansever dont think the / is for them13:39
Kilos-http://slexy.org/view/s200y9PZZO13:39
inetproahh13:39
Kilos-root@P4:/# ls -la /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem13:40
Kilos-ls: cannot access /media/252 GB Filesystem: No such file or directory13:40
Kilos-sjoe13:40
inetproai13:40
Kilos-mustnt i unmount it?13:40
inetprowat maak jy tussendeur dat hy so skielik verdwyn?13:40
Kilos-unity shows ejec on right click in the launcher13:41
Kilos-ek sug miskien te hard13:41
Kilos-eject13:41
inetproI say, it's really really simple to recover a password with Ubuntu13:41
inetproUbuntu has a recovery option in the boot menu13:41
Kilos-he dunno what username he used either inetpro 13:42
Kilos-how do i stop it in the boot menu13:42
Kilos-it goes straight to login prompt13:42
inetproKilos-: what version of Ubuntu?13:43
Kilos-12.04 kde13:43
Kilos-i think13:43
inetprohttp://naveenubuntu.blogspot.com/2012/05/recover-login-password-of-ubuntu-1204.html13:44
Kilos-oh my lemme run sudo update-grub and make sure13:44
Kilos-sjoe13:45
Kilos-Found Ubuntu 11.04 (11.04) on /dev/sdb113:45
Kilos-Found Ubuntu 10.10 (10.10) on /dev/sdb613:45
inetprook Kilos-, from what  noticed in your slexy it seems that /dev/sdb1 is you external drive13:46
inetprothat would be 11.0413:46
inetproam I right?13:47
Kilos-yip13:47
inetproobviously there are multiple ways to tackle the problem13:48
inetproand since you have it as an external drive already, just go ahead and follow psydroid's method, but13:48
Kilos-i think i got him to install maverick for some reason as well13:48
inetprosince, you are struggling to mount that automagically, just go mount it manually13:48
Kilos-its plugged in as second harddrive here13:48
inetpromkdir /kilos110413:49
Kilos-you need to know the path to mount13:49
inetpromount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos-110413:49
inetprooops13:49
inetpromount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos110413:49
inetproand eish again13:49
inetpromount /dev/sdb1 /kilos110413:49
Kilos-lol13:49
inetprowatch out for the case!!!13:50
Kilos-ah13:50
Kilos-ok13:50
Kilos-sec13:50
inetproobviously you need root permissions for the above... in other words sudo13:51
inetprosudo mkdir /kilos110413:52
inetprosudo mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos110413:52
Kilos-sudo mkdir /Kilos110413:52
Kilos-miles@P4:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos110413:52
Kilos-eish13:52
inetproai!!!13:52
inetprowatch out for the case!!!13:52
Kilos-ok must be mounted now13:53
Kilos-no ugly comment13:54
inetproNOTE: linux is case sensitive13:54
Kilos-yip ty13:54
inetprols -la /kilos110413:54
Kilos-nee man ls -la /Kilos110413:55
inetprook13:55
inetproand?13:55
Kilos-http://slexy.org/view/s2ED5CdSEr13:56
Kilos-everything root13:56
inetprols -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*13:56
Kilos-his root or mine?13:56
inetproroot is root13:56
Kilos--rw-r----- 1 root shadow 817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow13:57
Kilos--rw------- 1 root root   817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow-13:57
inetpronow go modify the shadow file and just kill the password string13:57
Kilos-ok i go ssee13:58
inetprodon't  mess with the permissions13:59
Kilos-still shows an X on it13:59
inetproAFAIAA you should get away by just removing the X14:00
inetprojust delete that one character14:00
Kilos-isnt that a lock14:00
inetproeh!14:00
Kilos-its an X showing in the passwd file14:01
inetpromake sure it is the password field14:01
inetprodelete the X in the password field14:01
Kilos-it shows a file with an X bottom right corner14:02
inetproai14:02
inetproKilos-: what editor?14:03
Kilos-i just double clicked on /etc/14:03
inetprosjoe14:04
psydroidI think you are trying to edit the file with gedit or something as a regular user14:04
inetproKilos-: jy's gevaarlik braaf14:05
Kilos-gevaarlik dom14:05
psydroiddon't you have nano?14:05
Kilos-i have gedit installed14:05
psydroidwell, yes14:05
Kilos-just need to work out that path 14:05
inetproKilos-: nano is ook baie eenvoudig om te leer, net soos gedit maar op die cli14:06
Kilos-must it now go through /Kilos11.0414:06
inetpropsydroid: help him with your chroot method14:06
inetproit's now mounted at /Kilos110414:07
Kilos-nie nou tyd om te leer nie inetpro het seker 6 of 8 drives om vanaand reg te maak14:07
Kilos-hy ry more weer14:07
psydroidinetpro, ok14:07
inetproek weet nie wat psydroid se metode is nie14:07
Kilos-im lost all sides. head thumping too14:07
psydroidinetpro, just regular unix stuff14:08
Kilos-but no time and power just went14:08
inetproai14:08
Kilos-wbb14:08
psydroidchroot /Kilos110414:08
psydroidadduser14:08
Kilos-dorry psy14:09
Kilos-gotta run14:09
Kilos-ups screeming14:09
* inetpro also lost power but back now, and on me phone's hotspot14:20
inetproso psydroid when you've chrooted what is the next step?14:21
psydroidinetpro, you just edit /etc/shadow to take out the password, run "passwd <user>" or run "adduser", there are many different ways to recover passwords14:23
inetprotrue14:24
psydroidI used slackware for many years so I got intimately familiar with doing these things from the command line14:24
inetproahh, that makes good sense14:25
* inetpro just haven't done it with the chroot method before... even looks like the easiest method14:26
=== Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za
psydroidit mostly worked on solaris too14:29
inetproI have blanked out the password field many times before but they keep changing things these days14:29
inetprolike hiding the grub menu or using encryption... 14:30
inetpromakes it a little bit more difficult but nothing is fool proof when you have physical access14:30
psydroidyeah14:37
inetproand if I remember correctly you can get to the grub menu by holding shift down during the boot process just after the bios options14:39
psydroidI think so too, but it doesn't always work14:50
psydroidbecause the graphical grub menu doesn't always show up on older ubuntu versions14:52
Kilossjoe long power off15:34
Kiloslemme try get all them stuffs going again15:34
Kilospsydroid, i got it mounted with this command15:43
Kilosouput of ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad* is15:44
Kilosroot@P4:~# ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*15:45
Kilos-rw-r----- 1 root shadow 817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow15:45
Kilos-rw------- 1 root root   817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow-15:45
Kiloshow we sort them passwords now please15:45
Kiloslooks like username is pc or Pc15:45
Kilosme forgets15:45
inetprowb Kilos15:46
inetproKilos: I like psydroid's method with the chroot15:46
Kilosty inetpro 22mm and lotsa donner bliksem15:46
Kilosok lets do it15:46
Kilosmust i exit from root?15:46
inetprochroot /Kilos110415:47
inetprono15:47
psydroidwb Kilos15:47
Kilosbash: groups: command not found15:48
Kilosty psydroid 15:48
Kilosit dont like that command again15:49
Kilossigh15:49
psydroidyou mean the chroot command?15:49
Kilosya15:50
Kiloschroot /Kilos110415:50
inetproKilos: how come it says groups: command not found ?15:50
Kilos??15:50
Kilosroot@P4:/# chroot /Kilos110415:51
Kilosbash: chroot: command not found15:51
Kilosyou the expert why ask me15:51
inetprohmm...15:51
Kiloshehe i will make you old like me15:52
inetproKilos: ls -la /Kilos1104/etc15:52
inetproput that on slexy15:52
inetprounless there's little output15:53
Kilosls: cannot access /Kilos1104/etc: No such file or directory15:53
inetproaha15:53
inetproso your drive is not mounted meneer!?15:53
Kilosroot@P4:~# mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos110415:54
Kilosroot@P4:~# ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*15:54
inetprooi15:54
Kilosno error  there15:54
Kiloswhat oi?15:55
* inetpro trying to think15:55
Kiloshehe15:56
inetproahh, I think I know what it is15:57
Kilosi can mount it by launching home and then that filesystem size drive again if you like15:58
Kilostell15:58
inetproI guess he put his stuff across multiple partitions15:58
Kiloshe has 1104 on first 252g and maverick on rest of drive15:59
Kilosno /root / and /home like i do15:59
inetprohmm...15:59
Kiloshe let kde decide15:59
inetprocat Kilos1104/etc/fstab16:00
inetprocat /Kilos1104/etc/fstab16:00
Kiloscat: /Kilos1104/etc/fstab: No such file or directory16:00
inetprohmm... you sure that shado* still returns stuff ?16:01
Kiloslemme try16:01
Kilosnope16:02
Kilossomething gone16:02
Kilosi mount again16:02
inetproumount first16:02
Kilosgotta find it first16:03
inetproumount /dev/sdb116:03
inetprothen pull it out and push it back in before you mount again16:03
Kilosumount: /dev/sdb1: not found16:03
Kiloscant do that with power running its plugged in as second hdd here16:04
inetprooh ya... forgot that it's a normal disk16:04
inetproshutdown and make sure it's properly seated16:05
Kilosok be back asap16:05
Kilosok do i go sudo -i to start16:09
Kiloseasier than typing sudo all the time16:09
Kilosroot@P4:~# mount /dev/sdb116:12
Kilosmount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab16:12
inetpromount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos110416:12
Kilosok back to prompt16:12
inetproKilos: just be careful when on the hash/root prompt16:13
Kilosok16:13
inetpronow do the chroot thing16:13
Kilosi copy paste what you tell me16:13
inetprochroot /Kilos110416:13
Kilosroot@P4:~# chroot /Kilos110416:14
Kilosbash: groups: command not found16:14
Kilosai16:14
inetproai16:14
inetprodid the prompt change?16:15
Kilosi try 16:15
Kilosls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*16:15
inetproKilos: did the prompt change?16:15
Kilosya went ot next line16:16
inetproKilos: did the prompt change?16:16
inetprois it different?16:16
Kilosno16:16
inetproI think you've perhaps successfully chrooted 16:16
Kilossame root16:16
inetproare you sure?16:17
inetprolook carefully16:17
Kilosroot@P4:/# 16:17
inetproroot@P4:~# vs root@P4:/#16:17
inetprothere's a difference16:17
inetpronow your /Kilos1104/etc is just /etc16:18
inetproKilos: what's the username he used?16:18
Kilospc or Pc16:18
inetprocheck the passwd file16:18
inetprocat /etc/passwd16:18
inetpromake sure about the case16:19
inetprothen go change his password with the passwd command16:20
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s21v0wT6Ty16:20
inetproai16:20
Kilosi can only make sure about it if i try boot there again16:21
inetprois dit alles?16:21
Kilosfound the recovery bit and tried 16:21
inetpronee wag16:21
inetprojust adduser16:21
inetproor is it useradd16:22
Kilos?16:22
Kilosi dunno how to do that inetpro 16:23
inetproKilos: adduser koos16:23
inetproand follow the easy prompts16:24
Kilosbash: adduser: command not found16:24
Kilossigh16:24
inetprohmm...16:24
inetproKilos: useradd piet16:26
inetpropasswd piet16:26
Kiloswhy not koos anymore16:26
inetproyour choice :-)16:26
Kilosbash: useradd: command not found16:26
inetproanything that is not yet in the password dv16:27
inetprodb*16:27
inetproai16:27
inetprocat /etc/fstab16:27
inetproI think his /usr was in a different partition16:27
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s21WQ4j7O016:28
inetprohmm...16:29
charlgood evening16:29
Kilosdoes that mean anything to you16:29
Kiloshi charl 16:29
charlhi Kilos 16:30
charlMaaz: coffee on16:30
* Maaz starts grinding coffee16:30
charlhow's it going?16:30
inetproKilos: ls -l /usr/sbin/useradd16:30
Kilosbattling with sons drive16:30
inetprohi charl16:30
charlhi inetpro 16:31
charlKilos: ah, hw problems?16:31
Kilosls: cannot access /usr/sbin/useradd: No such file or directory16:31
inetproKilos: something is amiss16:31
inetproKilos: ls -l /usr/bin/16:32
Kilosyeah lost boot sector or something and after boot-repair cant get in with name/password16:32
Kilosls: cannot access /usr/bin/: No such file or directory16:32
Kiloscant be mounted16:32
inetproKilos: is the data on there impoirtant?16:32
Trixar_za...16:32
Trixar_zaIt's adduser16:32
Trixar_zanot useradd16:32
charlTrixar_za: useradd also exists16:33
psydroidhoi charl16:33
charlthey are two separate utilities16:33
Kilosit cant find any of those commands16:33
charlwhy there are two i don't know16:33
charlpsydroid: hi16:33
inetprouseradd is lower level16:33
charlKilos: paste us a ls / maybe?16:34
inetproKilos: is the data on there impoirtant?16:34
psydroidI think adduser is just a script for your convenience16:34
inetproexactly16:34
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!16:34
charlyeah i think that's correct psydroid 16:34
charlcome to think of it, i don't even know which one i normally use16:34
inetproKilos: is the data on there important?16:34
charli don't add users to my system very often16:34
charli think adduser is easier16:34
Kilostoo small to paste16:34
Kilosbin   etc  lib      mnt   root     srv  usr16:35
Kilosboot  home  lost+found  opt   sbin     sys  var16:35
Kilosdev   initrd.img  media       proc  selinux  tmp  vmlinuz16:35
* inetpro would suggest backing up important data and reformatting16:35
Kilosyes lotsa importand info16:35
Kilosthats why he waited to bring16:35
charlyour usr is there, what's ls /usr and /usr/sbin ?16:35
Kilosls /usr nothing16:36
charlah ok there is something weird already16:36
inetprocharl: you came in late... just for the record, that is a chrooted 2nd HDD16:36
charlinetpro: oh i see, thanks16:36
Kilosls: cannot access /usr/sbin: No such file or directory16:36
charlKilos: i think inetpro has a point, it might be easier to just backup the important data and then reformat ?16:37
charlif you know where to find the important data that is16:37
psydroidit should be in /home16:37
Kilosnope i dunno whats where16:37
Kilosbetter i chown /etc/16:37
psydroidthat will kill the system for sure16:38
inetproKilos: /etc is normally not important apart from unlikely custom IP adderses etc16:38
Kiloschange password and then try boot16:38
inetproaddresses as well16:38
Trixar_zaNo, adduser is the original. useradd was added for convience. That's why it does not exist within busybox systems. It's a debianism16:39
inetproKilos: there's no visible proper user name to start with16:39
inetproTrixar_za: interesting16:39
Kiloslemme go try boot from it again and make sure16:39
inetproKilos: hang on16:39
Kilosok16:39
inetproyou said there's a 2nd Ubuntu partition?16:39
Kilossaw pc or Pc at the place you enter password16:40
Trixar_zaor a redhatism - I know somebody added it. whois and whereis also doesn't exist with busybox systems.16:40
Kilosya16:40
inetpro10/11 15:45:34 <Kilos-> Found Ubuntu 10.10 (10.10) on /dev/sdb616:40
Trixar_zaAlthough I think whois might get added eventually16:40
Kilosthe other one is 240 GB Filesystem16:41
inetproKilos: is that another different physical drive?16:41
inetprocan't be because then it would be sdc16:42
Kilosits a partition in same 500 gB drive16:42
inetprook, tell me what exactly you are trying to achieve16:42
Kiloswho me?16:42
inetproKilos: yes :-)16:42
inetproKilos: is it not better to use the bigger partition?16:43
Kilosi want him to be able to put it back in his pc and carry on working from it16:43
inetprowe can try to crack the passwd on that one16:43
inetproKilos: quick quick, let's try16:43
Kilosone sec16:44
inetprotype exit to get out of chroot16:44
Kiloslemme mount it from home then we look at ls et16:44
Kilosetc16:44
Kilosoh its gone since mounting16:44
Kilosoh my16:44
Kilosok heres an idea16:45
Kiloswill i be able to trash the shadow files in gui from home16:45
inetproKilos: don't do that!!!16:45
Kilosother wise chown the whole thing16:45
Kilosoh16:45
inetprowho asked you to do that?16:46
Kilosis my idea16:46
inetproai16:46
Kilosthen passwds gone isnt it16:46
Kilosi dunno whats in them shadow files16:46
inetproyou mess up a whole lot of stuffs by chowning 16:46
inetprother are a lot of file with many different user ownerships16:47
Kilosmaybe the password is corrupted because he tried all he could remember16:47
* inetpro has to go buy some milk16:48
Kilosthen i gotta just get the correct path to shadow and gedit it16:48
inetproshould get me self a cow16:48
Kiloslol16:48
inetproKilos: sorry... I be back laters16:48
charlinetpro: but then you have to milk the smelly thing16:48
charl:D16:48
Kilosnp guoosie16:48
inetprolots of others who can help here16:48
Kilosya lets see who got ideas16:49
charland your garden stinks of cow dung :(16:49
Kiloscome on charl Trixar_za 16:49
Kilospsydroid, 16:49
inetproKilos: just before I go, just trust that method of psydroid, it works16:49
Kilosyip if i can find the files it can16:50
Kilospsydroid, coooweee16:50
Kiloscant one boot from cd and change a password in the installation16:50
inetprounmount the previous partition and mount the new device /dev/sdb6 and map it to Kilos110416:50
inetprostupid choice of name by me earlier16:51
* inetpro wbb16:51
Kiloslol16:51
Kilosty inetpro 16:51
psydroidKilos, where exactly are you now in the password recovery stage?16:52
Kiloswhew psydroid we cant do niks16:53
psydroidKilos, waarom niet?16:54
Kilosno commands work after mounting to that Kilos1104 place16:54
Kilosi dunno16:54
Kilosnow it wont umount16:54
Kilosgrrr16:54
psydroidbut the directories are still there?16:54
psydroidmost of them at least?16:54
Kiloseverything must still be there16:54
Kiloslemme reboot and mount from gui16:55
psydroidand you said there is a second installation16:55
psydroidof maverick on the same drive16:55
Kilosyip drive split in 216:55
Kilos11.04 kde on first and maverick on second16:55
Kilosbut both passwds gone mal16:55
psydroidit's always a good idea to create a separate /home partition16:56
psydroidso you can reinstall an operating system without worrying about data loss16:56
Kilosyip he hasnt been that deep into ubuntu yet. too busy with woinsucks at work16:56
Kilosmaybe i can open home from here and copy it somewhere16:57
psydroidI guess it would be too hard to just copy everything over to a backup drive16:57
Kilosdrag and drop to my drive or something16:57
psydroidoh that would be great16:57
Kilosoh ya its 500gig16:58
Kiloslemme try16:58
psydroidis the drive still connected?16:58
psydroidwait16:58
Kilosdunno how much space needed16:58
Kilosyes?16:58
psydroidwhere is it mounted?16:58
psydroidyou can calculate the space16:58
Kilosi dunno doesnt show here in unity launcher like a mount from home16:59
Kiloslemme reboot16:59
Kiloswill look at it from home and see16:59
psydroidok16:59
Kilosbut unity not lekker like maverick for doing this16:59
Kiloswbb16:59
Squirmgood evening17:01
Squirmanyone know a site where I can stream the rugby? besides SuperSport17:01
charlSquirm: radio or tv?17:09
Squirmtv17:10
Squirm@ charl 17:11
Squirmcause there are lots of members only websites17:11
charlradio.de has a lot of radio stations but i don't know about tv17:16
Squirmseems like the irb website has a radio station too17:17
Squirmonline17:17
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inetprohmm....18:11
* inetpro is back but Kilos is gone?18:11
charlhi smile4ever 19:13
charlhow's it going19:13
smile4everfine :D19:13
smile4everdo you use techradar? :D19:13
charlnot really19:14
charlwhat is it?19:14
smile4evera news site :p19:14
smile4evertech minded19:14
charlah19:14
smile4everI wrote a user style for it :)19:14
smile4everhttp://userstyles.org/styles/78158/techradar-clean-white-centered :)19:14
charli tend to follow tweakers but there are too many of these types of sites19:14
charlah19:15
smile4evertweakers.net, charl ? :p19:16
charlja19:17
smile4ever:)19:17
charlbut i try to keep it at that, otherwise i spend the whole day reading news and i don't get to work :)19:17
smile4everI use Google Reader to manage them :p19:17
charli used to use a feed reader but also couldn't keep up19:17
charlthen the unread items just heaps up and gives me anxiety :P19:17
charlit almost feels like your mailbox that goes out of control :D19:17
smile4everlol :D19:26
smile4everyou can subscribe to whatever you like :p19:26
smile4everand unsubscribe if it gets too much :p19:26
smile4everbyee :p19:33
SquirmMaaz: tell Trixar_za that I've decided to do the Cadiz Freedom swim next year(that's if I qualify, don't know how to yet)22:24
MaazSquirm: Got it, I'll tell Trixar_za on freenode22:24

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