[05:24] <Kilos> cremora minora
[05:26] <Kilos> hiya SmilyBorg_h 
[05:28] <SmilyBorg_h> hi there
[06:13] <Kilos> lo magespawn 
[06:13] <Kilos> or is it just your core lurking here
[06:55] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:55]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:55] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[06:55] <Maaz> Squirm: Sure
[06:55] <Squirm> and lot's of it
[06:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and Squirm!
[06:59] <Kilos> hehe hey Squirm 
[06:59] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[06:59] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[07:02] <Kilos> lo mazal 
[07:02] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:02] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos ?
[07:02] <Kilos> rdelik dankie en jy mazal ?
[07:02] <Squirm> Maaz: thanks
[07:02] <Maaz> Squirm: No problem
[07:02] <Squirm> my head hurts :/
[07:02] <Kilos> min mense hier saterdag oggend
[07:03] <Kilos> self inflicted punishment Squirm ?
[07:03] <mazal> Kla nie dankie
[07:03] <Squirm> that depends on who was buying
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <Kilos> i dont savvy the drinking bit at todays prices
[07:04] <Kilos> much better things to do with money
[07:04] <Squirm> I guess
[07:05] <Squirm> but at R17 a draught
[07:05] <Squirm> come now
[07:05] <mazal> Shees !!!
[07:05] <mazal> When I drank it was like R7
[07:05] <Squirm> meh
[07:05] <Squirm> and I thought R17 was cheap
[07:06] <Kilos> hehe
[07:06] <mazal> Oh btw Kilos , one of the last things I saw on Thursday was where I am
[07:07] <Kilos> mazal, ?
[07:07] <Kilos> oh my
[07:07] <Kilos> peer got him
[07:08] <Kilos> wb mazal 
[07:08]  * mazal mubels something
[07:08] <mazal> ta
[07:08] <Kilos> so explain what you mean by where you are
[07:08] <mazal> Now I don't know what you saw and what not lol
[07:08]  * Kilos scratches head
[07:08] <mazal> as I was saying , you asked if I am at Bavies or Zonderwater
[07:08] <Kilos> oh you mean with xchat
[07:08] <mazal> It's Zonderwater
[07:09] <Kilos> whew i forgot that already
[07:09] <Kilos> ah ty
[07:10] <Kilos> have they fixed your windows yet
[07:10] <mazal> Nope , that gonna take weeks if not months
[07:10] <Kilos> or must you wait for next budget
[07:10] <mazal> Hundreds of windows broken here
[07:10] <Kilos> how many of yours
[07:10] <mazal> 13
[07:10] <Kilos> wow
[07:11] <Kilos> how big is the place you stay in
[07:11] <mazal> Just at the flats side there is 54 flats , none who's windows survived
[07:11] <Kilos> or group thing
[07:11] <mazal> Then there is plenty of houses as well
[07:11] <mazal> Many windows broken there
[07:11] <mazal> Then there is all the offices , many broken there
[07:11] <Kilos> i mean yours only to secure the place so pc can come home
[07:12] <mazal> Then there is the prison , many broken there as well
[07:12] <mazal> I would actually like to know the total number.
[07:12] <mazal> Ja I miss my pc man
[07:12] <mazal> But is a good thing also , teaches me not to like worldly things too much
[07:13] <Kilos> lol
[07:13] <mazal> And be happy with basics
[07:13] <Kilos> basics is a P2 running tinycorelinux
[07:14] <mazal> all these things can't go with one when you go anyway , so it shouldn't be so important
[07:14] <Kilos> no but its where you can learn how to do things to improve the path ahead
[07:15] <mazal> But ya , I dunno when it will be fixed
[07:15] <mazal> I'm just waiting for my firned to phone then we gonna do his windows , he lives on a farm so he must do his own
[07:15] <Kilos> one would think its like a priority because now it can rain in
[07:15] <mazal> I was thinking of getting a private contractor to come and so mine , but sjoe , don't have the money
[07:16] <Kilos> do it yourself
[07:16] <Kilos> not a big job
[07:16] <Kilos> i dunno what windows cost though anymore
[07:16] <mazal> The glass will be too expensive
[07:16] <mazal> don't have that kind of money
[07:16] <Kilos> ai
[07:17] <Kilos> tough in africa
[07:17] <mazal> 13 windows from which most is big ones , will be thousands
[07:17] <Kilos> wow
[07:17] <mazal> My biggest struggle is all my software en everything is on the pc
[07:17] <Kilos> youre xchat fixed now
[07:17] <Kilos> no more ubuntu
[07:17] <mazal> I basically only have my docs
[07:18] <Kilos> docs?
[07:18] <mazal> Documents
[07:18] <Kilos> where
[07:18] <Kilos> im a bit slow sorry
[07:18] <mazal> That I copied to a usb stick before I unplugged , so I have that with me
[07:18] <Kilos> not a good head day
[07:18] <mazal> But everything else on pc
[07:18] <Kilos> ah
[07:19] <mazal> But this morning I already gor my distribution lists back into my Thunderbird
[07:19] <mazal> got even
[07:19] <Kilos> lol
[07:19] <mazal> So I can do all my basics at least
[07:20] <mazal> But my video editing and converting. standing still now
[07:20] <Kilos> i used to use aptoncd but it dont work lekker in 12.04
[07:20] <mazal> Nah remastersys iso is best. I have all my apps , but no space to use it
[07:21] <Kilos> i didnt have a dvdwr
[07:21] <Kilos> rw
[07:22] <Kilos> and iso always too big for cd
[07:22] <mazal> And it's those little things that's annoying , like backups is by hand now. Only the files that changed gets copied by hand to a stick
[07:22] <Kilos> you dont use deja-dup
[07:22] <Kilos> ?
[07:23] <mazal> One can't change too much on this temporary solution , otherwise one have to change everything again when pc comes back
[07:23] <mazal> Pc has about 10 backup jobs to different locations
[07:23] <mazal> All main things are on there
[07:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:23] <mazal> Ja , 3 different externals
[07:24] <mazal> I have a very "complicated" backup setup , and the source is the pc
[07:24] <mazal> So can't rely change everything now and then have to change again when it comes back
[07:24] <mazal> Gonna get confused lol
[07:24] <Kilos> yeah
[07:25] <mazal> So for now will just manually copy /home/.thunderbird and all docs that changed to a stick everynight
[07:25] <mazal> Wat 'n gesukkel lol
[07:25] <Kilos> eina
[07:26] <mazal> BUT , could have been waaaaaayy worse. I could not have had the laptop. Then I would have nothing at all now
[07:27] <Kilos> eish
[07:27] <Kilos> i sukkel with lappy's
[07:28] <Kilos> the mouse thing etc
[07:28] <mazal> I just struggle with the touch-pad
[07:28] <mazal> lol ditto !
[07:28] <mazal> I just can't get used to it , I mostly plug in a mouse
[07:29] <Kilos> plug in a usb mouse
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:29] <Kilos> i gotta look at keyboard when typing so often ask something thats just been answered
[07:30] <mazal> Hehehe , I see I have a bit of lag this morning
[07:31] <mazal> That lag bar is constantly filling up
[07:31] <Kilos> im not a geek im a diesel mechanic farmer etc
[07:31] <Kilos> mine shows .3 secs
[07:31] <Kilos> hover mouse over it
[07:32] <mazal> Jumping between 0.5 and 1.0 here
[07:32] <Kilos> Maaz, ping mazal 
[07:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host mazal
[07:32] <Kilos> oh my
[07:32] <mazal> Maaz don't know me lol
[07:32] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[07:32] <Kilos> Maaz, whois mazal 
[07:32] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[07:33] <Kilos> hmm domdonner
[07:33] <Kilos> should give him my email addy
[07:34] <mazal> Maaz, ping 192.168.0.2
[07:34] <Maaz> mazal: 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4000ms
[07:35] <mazal> Nah that won't work
[07:36] <Kilos> there is a ctcp thing if you got other bits added
[07:40] <Kilos> cant find it now
[07:40]  * mazal gonna grab some koffee
[07:50] <Kilos> ah the ping thing only works in a dialogue window
[07:52] <mazal> What's the command oom Kilos ?
[07:53] <mazal> Ah ok , got it
[07:53] <mazal> 1.43s to you
[07:59] <mazal> maaz, google clone linux
[07:59] <Maaz> mazal: "clone(2): create child process - Linux man page" http://linux.die.net/man/2/clone :: "clone (Linux system call) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_(Linux_system_call) :: "Clonezilla - About" http://clonezilla.org/ :: "The Best Disk Cloning App for Linux" http://lifehacker.com/5891933/the-best-disk-cloning-app-for-linux ::
[07:59] <Maaz> "2 Methods To Clone Your Linux Hard Drive" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/2-methods-to-clo…
[08:01] <Kilos> hehe i go move sheeps
[08:06]  * mazal is off to go help friend with windows
[08:06] <mazal> Bye all
[08:06] <mazal> Have a blessed day
[08:06] <Kilos> toods
[08:06] <Kilos> work hard
[08:07] <mazal> Will od :)
[08:07] <mazal> do even , ai
[08:07] <Kilos> hehe
[08:17] <Kilos> oh my splits again
[11:17] <Kilos> wbb
[12:10] <wolfeyes> Heya everyone.
[12:11] <wolfeyes> I need to change a kde password on a drive that I have plugged in as a 2nd drive. How do I go about this please.
[12:11] <wolfeyes> Squirm, you da clever fello according to kilos.
[12:14] <psydroid> hi wolfeyes
[12:14] <psydroid> hi Trixar_za
[12:14] <wolfeyes> heya psydroid 
[12:15] <psydroid> hoi Cantide, Ludo en zeref
[12:15] <psydroid> have you mounted the drive?
[12:16] <Trixar_za> Hey psydroid
[12:16] <psydroid> if so you can chroot into the installation and reset the password
[12:16] <psydroid> or you can edit the /etc/shadow file and remove the password
[12:17] <psydroid> if the partition isn't encrypted, that is
[12:21] <WOLFEYES> hmm
[12:22] <kilos> hey you clever guys. howm i gonna chamge the password on that second drive
[12:23] <Kilos> whew
[12:23] <Kilos> Trixar_za, talk to me
[12:24] <Kilos> everything rushed here. got one night to do lotsa work
[12:29] <Kilos> psydroid, wassup
[12:38] <Kilos> psydroid, i have his drive plugged in as a second drive on my pc so i can still boot from my unity.
[12:39] <Kilos> did a boot repair from unity and then went to boot from his drive but he dont remember login name and password anymore
[12:39] <Kilos> so its at the login prompt at the moment on his kde
[12:39] <Kilos> btw wolfeyes is my son
[12:41] <Kilos> can i boot from my unity and change his name and password?
[12:41] <psydroid> Kilos, what I told you above should work, you just need to reset or remove the password from your installation
[12:41] <psydroid> sure
[12:42] <Ludo> hi guys
[12:42] <Kilos> hi Ludo wb
[12:42] <Ludo> so just me basically checking is there any computer store where I can walk in and buy ubuntu preinstalled with support?
[12:42] <Kilos> whole month you didnt visit
[12:42] <Ludo> Thanks kilos
[12:43] <Ludo> erm :/ I should be logging in at least I'm just lurking :P
[12:43] <Kilos> lol
[12:43] <Kilos> no man always say hi to the guys
[12:43] <Ludo> And to be honest I mostly just chat when I should be studying
[12:43] <Kilos> ah
[12:44] <Ludo> because its a bit harder to leave the house for 30 minutes and go find someone to chat to and after 30 minutes to study again
[12:45] <Kilos> ya
[12:45] <Kilos> there were a few places selling lappys with ubuntu preinstalled on the lists a while ago
[12:45] <Kilos> support you get here
[12:45] <inetpro> Ludo: why do you want to pay for support when you can support yourself?
[12:46] <Ludo> mmm can you maybe give me a date etc so that I can go scan the lists?
[12:46] <inetpro> Kilos: tell mazal he should replace all his broken windows with ubuntu
[12:46] <Kilos> few months back ludo
[12:47] <Kilos> lol good one inetpro 
[12:47] <Ludo> don't worry i will just google
[12:47] <Kilos> k
[12:47] <inetpro> Ludo: what are you googling for?
[12:48] <inetpro> Linux in general supports a wider range of devices than Windows, just build your own
[12:49] <Kilos> he wants to buy a ubuntu preinstalled pc inetpro 
[12:49] <inetpro> Kilos: but why?
[12:49] <inetpro> Ludo has to much money?
[12:49] <Kilos> so it doesnt come with winsucks costs added i spose
[12:50] <Kilos> psydroid, do i just trash the 2 shadow files in his /etc/
[12:51] <inetpro> Kilos: hmmm
[12:51] <psydroid> Kilos, no, you edit /etc/shadow
[12:51] <Kilos> if it shows name and password i could gedit hem
[12:52] <Kilos> then gotta chown them first
[12:52] <inetpro> Maaz: google recover password ubuntu
[12:52] <Maaz> inetpro: "How to reset your password in Ubuntu" http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword :: "How-To Recover password under Ubuntu | Ubuntu Geek" http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recover-password-under-ubuntu.html :: "recovery - Recover password - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/148741/recover-password :: "Reset Your Forgotten Ubuntu Password in 2
[12:52] <Maaz> Minutes or Less - How ..." http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubunt…
[12:52] <Kilos> there are 2 shadow files
[12:52] <Kilos> ah dankie
[12:52] <psydroid> Kilos, no, don't do that
[12:53] <Kilos> oh
[12:53] <psydroid> I mean, don't chown the files
[12:53] <Kilos> he doesnt remember the username either
[12:53] <psydroid> I always do those things as root
[12:54] <Kilos> he only getting 20% oxygen from lungs so forgets lots
[12:54] <Kilos> ok then i just gotta work out the correct path
[12:54] <psydroid> oh, then you can add a new username and password
[12:54] <psydroid> yes
[12:54] <psydroid> are you in a root shell?
[12:54] <psydroid> sudo su -
[12:55] <Kilos> im on my untiy at the moment 
[12:55] <Kilos> unity
[12:55] <psydroid> so you can start Terminal
[12:55] <inetpro> Kilos: boot into recovery mode on that disk
[12:56] <Kilos> ok im root now
[12:56] <Kilos> it doesnt show that inetpro goes straight to login prompt
[12:57] <psydroid> where is the second drive mounted?
[12:57] <psydroid> mount should give the answer
[12:57] <psydroid> something in /media
[12:58] <Kilos> hmm
[12:58] <Kilos> grrr
[12:58] <psydroid> maybe tab completion works
[12:58] <Kilos>       ..  /media/252 GB Filesystem
[12:59] <Kilos> starting here with / dont work
[12:59] <psydroid> yeah, strange name
[12:59] <Kilos> thats how my unity sees it
[13:00] <psydroid> but there is filesystem on it with /bin /etc /home etc.?
[13:00] <psydroid> a filesystem*
[13:01] <Kilos> yip i can get into /etc/ with gui
[13:01] <psydroid> ok
[13:01] <Kilos> and see the 2 shadow files
[13:02] <psydroid> and what username is in /etc/passwd?
[13:03] <psydroid> maybe you can just recover the password without recreating the account
[13:03] <Kilos> its locked
[13:04] <psydroid> ok
[13:04] <Kilos> i can chown the whole etc?
[13:04] <psydroid> no
[13:04] <Kilos> lol
[13:04] <psydroid> that's not a good idea
[13:05] <psydroid> let me go to my computer so I can help you better
[13:05] <Kilos> only a few files there are locked
[13:05] <Kilos> ty
[13:11] <Kilos> im on maverick here . gonna take modem to my unity so i can work from there
[13:11] <Kilos> hard work running tween pcs
[13:11] <psydroid> oh
[13:13] <psydroid> it's actually not that hard
[13:13] <psydroid> you can chroot into /media/252 GB Filesystem
[13:14] <psydroid> chroot /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem
[13:14] <psydroid> probably
[13:15] <psydroid> or just use tab completion
[13:15] <Kilos-> lemme try that
[13:16] <Kilos-> chroot: cannot change root directory to /media/252 GB Filesystem: No such file or directory
[13:17] <Kilos-> tab moplete bloeps
[13:17] <Kilos-> complete
[13:17] <psydroid> chroot /media/[tab]
[13:18] <psydroid> does it work now?
[13:18] <Kilos-> nope blope
[13:18] <Kilos-> bell whatever its called
[13:18] <Kilos-> the error sound
[13:19] <psydroid> where exactly is the second drive mounted
[13:19] <psydroid> mount
[13:19] <psydroid> should tell you
[13:20] <Kilos-> i think this is it
[13:20] <Kilos-> /dev/sdb1 on /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[13:21] <Kilos-> ill pastebin the output of mount
[13:21] <inetpro> ai
[13:21] <psydroid> oh
[13:22] <psydroid> this is enough info
[13:22] <Kilos-> http://slexy.org/view/s21707gZBI
[13:22] <Kilos-> there lotsa stuff
[13:23] <psydroid> yes
[13:23] <Kilos-> if it wasnt for all his stuff on there id format and clean install
[13:23] <psydroid> but the ond you pasted is the relevant one
[13:23] <Kilos-> its a 500 gB drive split in two looks like
[13:23] <psydroid> nah, that's not necessary
[13:24] <psydroid> one*
[13:24] <Kilos-> ah
[13:24] <Kilos-> si its chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b
[13:24] <Kilos-> so
[13:24] <psydroid> chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b
[13:25] <psydroid> yes
[13:25] <Kilos-> ok sec
[13:26] <Kilos-> bash: chroot: command not found
[13:26] <Kilos-> sigh
[13:26] <psydroid> that's strange
[13:27] <psydroid> I have it on my system
[13:27] <Kilos-> root@P4:/# chroot /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b
[13:27] <Kilos-> thats the command i used
[13:27] <psydroid> that should work
[13:28] <psydroid> ls /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b
[13:28] <psydroid> does that work?
[13:28] <Kilos-> ls: cannot access /media/cd2f2b6b-400d-452a-825a-4567d913091b: No such file or directory
[13:29] <psydroid> then it got unplugged somehow
[13:30] <psydroid> or try chroot /media/[tab]
[13:30] <inetpro> ls -la /media/
[13:30] <psydroid> [tab] means press the tab
[13:31] <Kilos-> total 12
[13:31] <Kilos-> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 Apr 13  2012 .
[13:31] <Kilos-> drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Apr 13  2012 ..
[13:31] <Kilos-> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    7 Apr 13  2012 floppy -> floppy0
[13:31] <Kilos-> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Apr 13  2012 floppy0
[13:32] <Kilos-> chroot /media/floppy
[13:32] <Kilos-> thats what tab does now
[13:33] <Kilos-> ls -la shows 4 lines but says 12 at the top
[13:33] <Kilos->  of wait
[13:33] <Kilos-> is it not because i have it open
[13:34] <Kilos-> mounted so to say
[13:34] <inetpro> clearly the drive is not mounted
[13:34] <Kilos-> it shows here in the launcher
[13:35] <Kilos-> must i unmount it
[13:35] <inetpro> Kilos-: in the launcher, can you launch it?
[13:35] <Kilos-> yip
[13:35] <inetpro> and what is the folder name when you have launched it?
[13:35] <Kilos-> shows all the ubuntu folders
[13:36] <Kilos-> 252 GB Filesystem
[13:36] <inetpro> full path!!
[13:37] <Kilos->   .  /media/252 GB Filesystem
[13:37] <inetpro> ls -la /media
[13:38] <inetpro> ls -la /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem
[13:38] <inetpro> Kilos-: waar kom die dot (". ") vandaan?
[13:39] <Kilos-> thats so chansever dont think the / is for them
[13:39] <Kilos-> http://slexy.org/view/s200y9PZZO
[13:39] <inetpro> ahh
[13:40] <Kilos-> root@P4:/# ls -la /media/252\ GB\ Filesystem
[13:40] <Kilos-> ls: cannot access /media/252 GB Filesystem: No such file or directory
[13:40] <Kilos-> sjoe
[13:40] <inetpro> ai
[13:40] <Kilos-> mustnt i unmount it?
[13:40] <inetpro> wat maak jy tussendeur dat hy so skielik verdwyn?
[13:41] <Kilos-> unity shows ejec on right click in the launcher
[13:41] <Kilos-> ek sug miskien te hard
[13:41] <Kilos-> eject
[13:41] <inetpro> I say, it's really really simple to recover a password with Ubuntu
[13:41] <inetpro> Ubuntu has a recovery option in the boot menu
[13:42] <Kilos-> he dunno what username he used either inetpro 
[13:42] <Kilos-> how do i stop it in the boot menu
[13:42] <Kilos-> it goes straight to login prompt
[13:43] <inetpro> Kilos-: what version of Ubuntu?
[13:43] <Kilos-> 12.04 kde
[13:43] <Kilos-> i think
[13:44] <inetpro> http://naveenubuntu.blogspot.com/2012/05/recover-login-password-of-ubuntu-1204.html
[13:44] <Kilos-> oh my lemme run sudo update-grub and make sure
[13:45] <Kilos-> sjoe
[13:45] <Kilos-> Found Ubuntu 11.04 (11.04) on /dev/sdb1
[13:45] <Kilos-> Found Ubuntu 10.10 (10.10) on /dev/sdb6
[13:46] <inetpro> ok Kilos-, from what  noticed in your slexy it seems that /dev/sdb1 is you external drive
[13:46] <inetpro> that would be 11.04
[13:47] <inetpro> am I right?
[13:47] <Kilos-> yip
[13:48] <inetpro> obviously there are multiple ways to tackle the problem
[13:48] <inetpro> and since you have it as an external drive already, just go ahead and follow psydroid's method, but
[13:48] <Kilos-> i think i got him to install maverick for some reason as well
[13:48] <inetpro> since, you are struggling to mount that automagically, just go mount it manually
[13:48] <Kilos-> its plugged in as second harddrive here
[13:49] <inetpro> mkdir /kilos1104
[13:49] <Kilos-> you need to know the path to mount
[13:49] <inetpro> mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos-1104
[13:49] <inetpro> oops
[13:49] <inetpro> mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos1104
[13:49] <inetpro> and eish again
[13:49] <inetpro> mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos1104
[13:49] <Kilos-> lol
[13:50] <inetpro> watch out for the case!!!
[13:50] <Kilos-> ah
[13:50] <Kilos-> ok
[13:50] <Kilos-> sec
[13:51] <inetpro> obviously you need root permissions for the above... in other words sudo
[13:52] <inetpro> sudo mkdir /kilos1104
[13:52] <inetpro> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos1104
[13:52] <Kilos-> sudo mkdir /Kilos1104
[13:52] <Kilos-> miles@P4:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /kilos1104
[13:52] <Kilos-> eish
[13:52] <inetpro> ai!!!
[13:52] <inetpro> watch out for the case!!!
[13:53] <Kilos-> ok must be mounted now
[13:54] <Kilos-> no ugly comment
[13:54] <inetpro> NOTE: linux is case sensitive
[13:54] <Kilos-> yip ty
[13:54] <inetpro> ls -la /kilos1104
[13:55] <Kilos-> nee man ls -la /Kilos1104
[13:55] <inetpro> ok
[13:55] <inetpro> and?
[13:56] <Kilos-> http://slexy.org/view/s2ED5CdSEr
[13:56] <Kilos-> everything root
[13:56] <inetpro> ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*
[13:56] <Kilos-> his root or mine?
[13:56] <inetpro> root is root
[13:57] <Kilos-> -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow
[13:57] <Kilos-> -rw------- 1 root root   817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow-
[13:57] <inetpro> now go modify the shadow file and just kill the password string
[13:58] <Kilos-> ok i go ssee
[13:59] <inetpro> don't  mess with the permissions
[13:59] <Kilos-> still shows an X on it
[14:00] <inetpro> AFAIAA you should get away by just removing the X
[14:00] <inetpro> just delete that one character
[14:00] <Kilos-> isnt that a lock
[14:00] <inetpro> eh!
[14:01] <Kilos-> its an X showing in the passwd file
[14:01] <inetpro> make sure it is the password field
[14:01] <inetpro> delete the X in the password field
[14:02] <Kilos-> it shows a file with an X bottom right corner
[14:02] <inetpro> ai
[14:03] <inetpro> Kilos-: what editor?
[14:03] <Kilos-> i just double clicked on /etc/
[14:04] <inetpro> sjoe
[14:04] <psydroid> I think you are trying to edit the file with gedit or something as a regular user
[14:05] <inetpro> Kilos-: jy's gevaarlik braaf
[14:05] <Kilos-> gevaarlik dom
[14:05] <psydroid> don't you have nano?
[14:05] <Kilos-> i have gedit installed
[14:05] <psydroid> well, yes
[14:05] <Kilos-> just need to work out that path 
[14:06] <inetpro> Kilos-: nano is ook baie eenvoudig om te leer, net soos gedit maar op die cli
[14:06] <Kilos-> must it now go through /Kilos11.04
[14:06] <inetpro> psydroid: help him with your chroot method
[14:07] <inetpro> it's now mounted at /Kilos1104
[14:07] <Kilos-> nie nou tyd om te leer nie inetpro het seker 6 of 8 drives om vanaand reg te maak
[14:07] <Kilos-> hy ry more weer
[14:07] <psydroid> inetpro, ok
[14:07] <inetpro> ek weet nie wat psydroid se metode is nie
[14:07] <Kilos-> im lost all sides. head thumping too
[14:08] <psydroid> inetpro, just regular unix stuff
[14:08] <Kilos-> but no time and power just went
[14:08] <inetpro> ai
[14:08] <Kilos-> wbb
[14:08] <psydroid> chroot /Kilos1104
[14:08] <psydroid> adduser
[14:09] <Kilos-> dorry psy
[14:09] <Kilos-> gotta run
[14:09] <Kilos-> ups screeming
[14:20]  * inetpro also lost power but back now, and on me phone's hotspot
[14:21] <inetpro> so psydroid when you've chrooted what is the next step?
[14:23] <psydroid> inetpro, you just edit /etc/shadow to take out the password, run "passwd <user>" or run "adduser", there are many different ways to recover passwords
[14:24] <inetpro> true
[14:24] <psydroid> I used slackware for many years so I got intimately familiar with doing these things from the command line
[14:25] <inetpro> ahh, that makes good sense
[14:26]  * inetpro just haven't done it with the chroot method before... even looks like the easiest method
[14:29] <psydroid> it mostly worked on solaris too
[14:29] <inetpro> I have blanked out the password field many times before but they keep changing things these days
[14:30] <inetpro> like hiding the grub menu or using encryption... 
[14:30] <inetpro> makes it a little bit more difficult but nothing is fool proof when you have physical access
[14:37] <psydroid> yeah
[14:39] <inetpro> and if I remember correctly you can get to the grub menu by holding shift down during the boot process just after the bios options
[14:50] <psydroid> I think so too, but it doesn't always work
[14:52] <psydroid> because the graphical grub menu doesn't always show up on older ubuntu versions
[15:34] <Kilos> sjoe long power off
[15:34] <Kilos> lemme try get all them stuffs going again
[15:43] <Kilos> psydroid, i got it mounted with this command
[15:44] <Kilos> ouput of ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad* is
[15:45] <Kilos> root@P4:~# ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*
[15:45] <Kilos> -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow
[15:45] <Kilos> -rw------- 1 root root   817 Apr 26  2011 /Kilos1104/etc/shadow-
[15:45] <Kilos> how we sort them passwords now please
[15:45] <Kilos> looks like username is pc or Pc
[15:45] <Kilos> me forgets
[15:46] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[15:46] <inetpro> Kilos: I like psydroid's method with the chroot
[15:46] <Kilos> ty inetpro 22mm and lotsa donner bliksem
[15:46] <Kilos> ok lets do it
[15:46] <Kilos> must i exit from root?
[15:47] <inetpro> chroot /Kilos1104
[15:47] <inetpro> no
[15:47] <psydroid> wb Kilos
[15:48] <Kilos> bash: groups: command not found
[15:48] <Kilos> ty psydroid 
[15:49] <Kilos> it dont like that command again
[15:49] <Kilos> sigh
[15:49] <psydroid> you mean the chroot command?
[15:50] <Kilos> ya
[15:50] <Kilos> chroot /Kilos1104
[15:50] <inetpro> Kilos: how come it says groups: command not found ?
[15:50] <Kilos> ??
[15:51] <Kilos> root@P4:/# chroot /Kilos1104
[15:51] <Kilos> bash: chroot: command not found
[15:51] <Kilos> you the expert why ask me
[15:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:52] <Kilos> hehe i will make you old like me
[15:52] <inetpro> Kilos: ls -la /Kilos1104/etc
[15:52] <inetpro> put that on slexy
[15:53] <inetpro> unless there's little output
[15:53] <Kilos> ls: cannot access /Kilos1104/etc: No such file or directory
[15:53] <inetpro> aha
[15:53] <inetpro> so your drive is not mounted meneer!?
[15:54] <Kilos> root@P4:~# mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos1104
[15:54] <Kilos> root@P4:~# ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*
[15:54] <inetpro> oi
[15:54] <Kilos> no error  there
[15:55] <Kilos> what oi?
[15:55]  * inetpro trying to think
[15:56] <Kilos> hehe
[15:57] <inetpro> ahh, I think I know what it is
[15:58] <Kilos> i can mount it by launching home and then that filesystem size drive again if you like
[15:58] <Kilos> tell
[15:58] <inetpro> I guess he put his stuff across multiple partitions
[15:59] <Kilos> he has 1104 on first 252g and maverick on rest of drive
[15:59] <Kilos> no /root / and /home like i do
[15:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:59] <Kilos> he let kde decide
[16:00] <inetpro> cat Kilos1104/etc/fstab
[16:00] <inetpro> cat /Kilos1104/etc/fstab
[16:00] <Kilos> cat: /Kilos1104/etc/fstab: No such file or directory
[16:01] <inetpro> hmm... you sure that shado* still returns stuff ?
[16:01] <Kilos> lemme try
[16:02] <Kilos> nope
[16:02] <Kilos> something gone
[16:02] <Kilos> i mount again
[16:02] <inetpro> umount first
[16:03] <Kilos> gotta find it first
[16:03] <inetpro> umount /dev/sdb1
[16:03] <inetpro> then pull it out and push it back in before you mount again
[16:03] <Kilos> umount: /dev/sdb1: not found
[16:04] <Kilos> cant do that with power running its plugged in as second hdd here
[16:04] <inetpro> oh ya... forgot that it's a normal disk
[16:05] <inetpro> shutdown and make sure it's properly seated
[16:05] <Kilos> ok be back asap
[16:09] <Kilos> ok do i go sudo -i to start
[16:09] <Kilos> easier than typing sudo all the time
[16:12] <Kilos> root@P4:~# mount /dev/sdb1
[16:12] <Kilos> mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[16:12] <inetpro> mount /dev/sdb1 /Kilos1104
[16:12] <Kilos> ok back to prompt
[16:13] <inetpro> Kilos: just be careful when on the hash/root prompt
[16:13] <Kilos> ok
[16:13] <inetpro> now do the chroot thing
[16:13] <Kilos> i copy paste what you tell me
[16:13] <inetpro> chroot /Kilos1104
[16:14] <Kilos> root@P4:~# chroot /Kilos1104
[16:14] <Kilos> bash: groups: command not found
[16:14] <Kilos> ai
[16:14] <inetpro> ai
[16:15] <inetpro> did the prompt change?
[16:15] <Kilos> i try 
[16:15] <Kilos> ls -l /Kilos1104/etc/shad*
[16:15] <inetpro> Kilos: did the prompt change?
[16:16] <Kilos> ya went ot next line
[16:16] <inetpro> Kilos: did the prompt change?
[16:16] <inetpro> is it different?
[16:16] <Kilos> no
[16:16] <inetpro> I think you've perhaps successfully chrooted 
[16:16] <Kilos> same root
[16:17] <inetpro> are you sure?
[16:17] <inetpro> look carefully
[16:17] <Kilos> root@P4:/# 
[16:17] <inetpro> root@P4:~# vs root@P4:/#
[16:17] <inetpro> there's a difference
[16:18] <inetpro> now your /Kilos1104/etc is just /etc
[16:18] <inetpro> Kilos: what's the username he used?
[16:18] <Kilos> pc or Pc
[16:18] <inetpro> check the passwd file
[16:18] <inetpro> cat /etc/passwd
[16:19] <inetpro> make sure about the case
[16:20] <inetpro> then go change his password with the passwd command
[16:20] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21v0wT6Ty
[16:20] <inetpro> ai
[16:21] <Kilos> i can only make sure about it if i try boot there again
[16:21] <inetpro> is dit alles?
[16:21] <Kilos> found the recovery bit and tried 
[16:21] <inetpro> nee wag
[16:21] <inetpro> just adduser
[16:22] <inetpro> or is it useradd
[16:22] <Kilos> ?
[16:23] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that inetpro 
[16:23] <inetpro> Kilos: adduser koos
[16:24] <inetpro> and follow the easy prompts
[16:24] <Kilos> bash: adduser: command not found
[16:24] <Kilos> sigh
[16:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:26] <inetpro> Kilos: useradd piet
[16:26] <inetpro> passwd piet
[16:26] <Kilos> why not koos anymore
[16:26] <inetpro> your choice :-)
[16:26] <Kilos> bash: useradd: command not found
[16:27] <inetpro> anything that is not yet in the password dv
[16:27] <inetpro> db*
[16:27] <inetpro> ai
[16:27] <inetpro> cat /etc/fstab
[16:27] <inetpro> I think his /usr was in a different partition
[16:28] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21WQ4j7O0
[16:29] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:29] <charl> good evening
[16:29] <Kilos> does that mean anything to you
[16:29] <Kilos> hi charl 
[16:30] <charl> hi Kilos 
[16:30] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[16:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:30] <charl> how's it going?
[16:30] <inetpro> Kilos: ls -l /usr/sbin/useradd
[16:30] <Kilos> battling with sons drive
[16:30] <inetpro> hi charl
[16:31] <charl> hi inetpro 
[16:31] <charl> Kilos: ah, hw problems?
[16:31] <Kilos> ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/useradd: No such file or directory
[16:31] <inetpro> Kilos: something is amiss
[16:32] <inetpro> Kilos: ls -l /usr/bin/
[16:32] <Kilos> yeah lost boot sector or something and after boot-repair cant get in with name/password
[16:32] <Kilos> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/: No such file or directory
[16:32] <Kilos> cant be mounted
[16:32] <inetpro> Kilos: is the data on there impoirtant?
[16:32] <Trixar_za> ...
[16:32] <Trixar_za> It's adduser
[16:32] <Trixar_za> not useradd
[16:33] <charl> Trixar_za: useradd also exists
[16:33] <psydroid> hoi charl
[16:33] <charl> they are two separate utilities
[16:33] <Kilos> it cant find any of those commands
[16:33] <charl> why there are two i don't know
[16:33] <charl> psydroid: hi
[16:33] <inetpro> useradd is lower level
[16:34] <charl> Kilos: paste us a ls / maybe?
[16:34] <inetpro> Kilos: is the data on there impoirtant?
[16:34] <psydroid> I think adduser is just a script for your convenience
[16:34] <inetpro> exactly
[16:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[16:34] <charl> yeah i think that's correct psydroid 
[16:34] <charl> come to think of it, i don't even know which one i normally use
[16:34] <inetpro> Kilos: is the data on there important?
[16:34] <charl> i don't add users to my system very often
[16:34] <charl> i think adduser is easier
[16:34] <Kilos> too small to paste
[16:35] <Kilos> bin   etc	  lib	      mnt   root     srv  usr
[16:35] <Kilos> boot  home	  lost+found  opt   sbin     sys  var
[16:35] <Kilos> dev   initrd.img  media       proc  selinux  tmp  vmlinuz
[16:35]  * inetpro would suggest backing up important data and reformatting
[16:35] <Kilos> yes lotsa importand info
[16:35] <Kilos> thats why he waited to bring
[16:35] <charl> your usr is there, what's ls /usr and /usr/sbin ?
[16:36] <Kilos> ls /usr nothing
[16:36] <charl> ah ok there is something weird already
[16:36] <inetpro> charl: you came in late... just for the record, that is a chrooted 2nd HDD
[16:36] <charl> inetpro: oh i see, thanks
[16:36] <Kilos> ls: cannot access /usr/sbin: No such file or directory
[16:37] <charl> Kilos: i think inetpro has a point, it might be easier to just backup the important data and then reformat ?
[16:37] <charl> if you know where to find the important data that is
[16:37] <psydroid> it should be in /home
[16:37] <Kilos> nope i dunno whats where
[16:37] <Kilos> better i chown /etc/
[16:38] <psydroid> that will kill the system for sure
[16:38] <inetpro> Kilos: /etc is normally not important apart from unlikely custom IP adderses etc
[16:38] <Kilos> change password and then try boot
[16:38] <inetpro> addresses as well
[16:39] <Trixar_za> No, adduser is the original. useradd was added for convience. That's why it does not exist within busybox systems. It's a debianism
[16:39] <inetpro> Kilos: there's no visible proper user name to start with
[16:39] <inetpro> Trixar_za: interesting
[16:39] <Kilos> lemme go try boot from it again and make sure
[16:39] <inetpro> Kilos: hang on
[16:39] <Kilos> ok
[16:39] <inetpro> you said there's a 2nd Ubuntu partition?
[16:40] <Kilos> saw pc or Pc at the place you enter password
[16:40] <Trixar_za> or a redhatism - I know somebody added it. whois and whereis also doesn't exist with busybox systems.
[16:40] <Kilos> ya
[16:40] <inetpro> 10/11 15:45:34 <Kilos-> Found Ubuntu 10.10 (10.10) on /dev/sdb6
[16:40] <Trixar_za> Although I think whois might get added eventually
[16:41] <Kilos> the other one is 240 GB Filesystem
[16:41] <inetpro> Kilos: is that another different physical drive?
[16:42] <inetpro> can't be because then it would be sdc
[16:42] <Kilos> its a partition in same 500 gB drive
[16:42] <inetpro> ok, tell me what exactly you are trying to achieve
[16:42] <Kilos> who me?
[16:42] <inetpro> Kilos: yes :-)
[16:43] <inetpro> Kilos: is it not better to use the bigger partition?
[16:43] <Kilos> i want him to be able to put it back in his pc and carry on working from it
[16:43] <inetpro> we can try to crack the passwd on that one
[16:43] <inetpro> Kilos: quick quick, let's try
[16:44] <Kilos> one sec
[16:44] <inetpro> type exit to get out of chroot
[16:44] <Kilos> lemme mount it from home then we look at ls et
[16:44] <Kilos> etc
[16:44] <Kilos> oh its gone since mounting
[16:44] <Kilos> oh my
[16:45] <Kilos> ok heres an idea
[16:45] <Kilos> will i be able to trash the shadow files in gui from home
[16:45] <inetpro> Kilos: don't do that!!!
[16:45] <Kilos> other wise chown the whole thing
[16:45] <Kilos> oh
[16:46] <inetpro> who asked you to do that?
[16:46] <Kilos> is my idea
[16:46] <inetpro> ai
[16:46] <Kilos> then passwds gone isnt it
[16:46] <Kilos> i dunno whats in them shadow files
[16:46] <inetpro> you mess up a whole lot of stuffs by chowning 
[16:47] <inetpro> ther are a lot of file with many different user ownerships
[16:47] <Kilos> maybe the password is corrupted because he tried all he could remember
[16:48]  * inetpro has to go buy some milk
[16:48] <Kilos> then i gotta just get the correct path to shadow and gedit it
[16:48] <inetpro> should get me self a cow
[16:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:48] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry... I be back laters
[16:48] <charl> inetpro: but then you have to milk the smelly thing
[16:48] <charl> :D
[16:48] <Kilos> np guoosie
[16:48] <inetpro> lots of others who can help here
[16:49] <Kilos> ya lets see who got ideas
[16:49] <charl> and your garden stinks of cow dung :(
[16:49] <Kilos> come on charl Trixar_za 
[16:49] <Kilos> psydroid, 
[16:49] <inetpro> Kilos: just before I go, just trust that method of psydroid, it works
[16:50] <Kilos> yip if i can find the files it can
[16:50] <Kilos> psydroid, coooweee
[16:50] <Kilos> cant one boot from cd and change a password in the installation
[16:50] <inetpro> unmount the previous partition and mount the new device /dev/sdb6 and map it to Kilos1104
[16:51] <inetpro> stupid choice of name by me earlier
[16:51]  * inetpro wbb
[16:51] <Kilos> lol
[16:51] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[16:52] <psydroid> Kilos, where exactly are you now in the password recovery stage?
[16:53] <Kilos> whew psydroid we cant do niks
[16:54] <psydroid> Kilos, waarom niet?
[16:54] <Kilos> no commands work after mounting to that Kilos1104 place
[16:54] <Kilos> i dunno
[16:54] <Kilos> now it wont umount
[16:54] <Kilos> grrr
[16:54] <psydroid> but the directories are still there?
[16:54] <psydroid> most of them at least?
[16:54] <Kilos> everything must still be there
[16:55] <Kilos> lemme reboot and mount from gui
[16:55] <psydroid> and you said there is a second installation
[16:55] <psydroid> of maverick on the same drive
[16:55] <Kilos> yip drive split in 2
[16:55] <Kilos> 11.04 kde on first and maverick on second
[16:55] <Kilos> but both passwds gone mal
[16:56] <psydroid> it's always a good idea to create a separate /home partition
[16:56] <psydroid> so you can reinstall an operating system without worrying about data loss
[16:56] <Kilos> yip he hasnt been that deep into ubuntu yet. too busy with woinsucks at work
[16:57] <Kilos> maybe i can open home from here and copy it somewhere
[16:57] <psydroid> I guess it would be too hard to just copy everything over to a backup drive
[16:57] <Kilos> drag and drop to my drive or something
[16:57] <psydroid> oh that would be great
[16:58] <Kilos> oh ya its 500gig
[16:58] <Kilos> lemme try
[16:58] <psydroid> is the drive still connected?
[16:58] <psydroid> wait
[16:58] <Kilos> dunno how much space needed
[16:58] <Kilos> yes?
[16:58] <psydroid> where is it mounted?
[16:58] <psydroid> you can calculate the space
[16:59] <Kilos> i dunno doesnt show here in unity launcher like a mount from home
[16:59] <Kilos> lemme reboot
[16:59] <Kilos> will look at it from home and see
[16:59] <psydroid> ok
[16:59] <Kilos> but unity not lekker like maverick for doing this
[16:59] <Kilos> wbb
[17:01] <Squirm> good evening
[17:01] <Squirm> anyone know a site where I can stream the rugby? besides SuperSport
[17:09] <charl> Squirm: radio or tv?
[17:10] <Squirm> tv
[17:11] <Squirm> @ charl 
[17:11] <Squirm> cause there are lots of members only websites
[17:16] <charl> radio.de has a lot of radio stations but i don't know about tv
[17:17] <Squirm> seems like the irb website has a radio station too
[17:17] <Squirm> online
[18:11] <inetpro> hmm....
[18:11]  * inetpro is back but Kilos is gone?
[19:13] <charl> hi smile4ever 
[19:13] <charl> how's it going
[19:13] <smile4ever> fine :D
[19:13] <smile4ever> do you use techradar? :D
[19:14] <charl> not really
[19:14] <charl> what is it?
[19:14] <smile4ever> a news site :p
[19:14] <smile4ever> tech minded
[19:14] <charl> ah
[19:14] <smile4ever> I wrote a user style for it :)
[19:14] <smile4ever> http://userstyles.org/styles/78158/techradar-clean-white-centered :)
[19:14] <charl> i tend to follow tweakers but there are too many of these types of sites
[19:15] <charl> ah
[19:16] <smile4ever> tweakers.net, charl ? :p
[19:17] <charl> ja
[19:17] <smile4ever> :)
[19:17] <charl> but i try to keep it at that, otherwise i spend the whole day reading news and i don't get to work :)
[19:17] <smile4ever> I use Google Reader to manage them :p
[19:17] <charl> i used to use a feed reader but also couldn't keep up
[19:17] <charl> then the unread items just heaps up and gives me anxiety :P
[19:17] <charl> it almost feels like your mailbox that goes out of control :D
[19:26] <smile4ever> lol :D
[19:26] <smile4ever> you can subscribe to whatever you like :p
[19:26] <smile4ever> and unsubscribe if it gets too much :p
[19:33] <smile4ever> byee :p
[22:24] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Trixar_za that I've decided to do the Cadiz Freedom swim next year(that's if I qualify, don't know how to yet)
[22:24] <Maaz> Squirm: Got it, I'll tell Trixar_za on freenode