[00:39] <xubuntu073> is there an install guide for a complete linux noob that someone can link me to
[00:51] <David-A> xubuntu073: there isn't any obvious install guide at http://docs.xubuntu.org/ as far as I can see, but the install process is very much the same for Xubuntu as for Ubuntu. you should be able to find websites explaining it.
[00:52] <xubuntu073> thanks
[00:52] <David-A> xubuntu073: or you can ask specific questions you want explained here, and we'll see what we can do
[00:52] <xubuntu073> well what i think you're supposed to do is put the download on a disk or usb and boot from there
[00:52] <xubuntu073> correct?\
[00:53] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[00:53] <well_laid_lawn> have an idea of how you want to partition the hdd
[00:53] <David-A> xubuntu073: exactly, thats the first step for 2 of the 3 of 4 options to install
[00:54] <David-A> *or
[00:54] <kj4> hello xubards
[00:55] <xubuntu073> alright, thanks. i'll look up the steps from there.
[00:55] <David-A> xubuntu073: you need to burn the .iso as an image and not as a file, if burning to cd/dvd, or you use a program like unetbootin to create an usb-stick from the .iso file.
[00:57] <xubuntu073> so i need to mount the .iso on my usb?
[01:00] <David-A> xubuntu073: it is not called "mount". unetbootin copies the .iso in a special way (rips the iso9660 filesystem apart and recreates the same thing in fat filesystem, I think)
[01:01] <xubuntu073> so regardless of whether or not i'm using a USB or CD i should use unetbootin
[01:02] <David-A> xubuntu073: no, unetbootin (or other similar program) for usb, cd-burning-program for cd/dvd
[01:04] <David-A> xubuntu073: you go for usb or cd? (usb if computer have no cd/dvd drive) (cd/dvd if computer cannot boot from usb) (lost if neither)
[01:12] <xubuntu073> got it.  i
[01:12] <xubuntu073> i'll probably do Usb
[01:12] <xubuntu073> so unetbootin it is
[01:12] <xubuntu073> thanks
[01:18] <David-A> xubuntu073: iirc unetbootin will offer to select a linux-distro and download an .iso for you, if you already have downloaded and don't want to again, make sure to point it to the existing .iso
[01:20] <adnanh> David-A, PXE if he has an ethernet port and another computer :)
[01:20] <xubuntu073> PXE?
[01:22] <adnanh> basically you have your other computer feed the first one installation files over ethernet
[01:22] <xubuntu073> that sounds pretty cool
[01:22] <xubuntu073> but this is my first time
[01:22] <adnanh> ah
[01:22] <xubuntu073> so i think i'll probably just usb boot
[01:22] <adnanh> well usb boot works for you
[01:22] <adnanh> i thought you were stuck with no usb and no cd rom
[01:23] <xubuntu073> nah i got a usb. does it need to be clean except for the ISO though, because mine has other stuff on it as well
[01:23] <adnanh> my advice is to back your stuff from usb anyway
[01:24] <xubuntu073> i already did, but can i use the iso alongside the other stuff or hsould i delete it
[01:24] <adnanh> see what the unetbootin says
[01:25] <xubuntu073> kk will do, thanks
[01:26] <adnanh> good luck :)
[01:26] <xubuntu073> oh one last question
[01:26] <xubuntu073> when i boot from the usb and install it and all that crap, will it delete the old os for me
[01:26] <David-A> xubuntu073: another precaution, I've seen someone select C: instead of the usb drive in unetbootin and caused a slight amount of trouble
[01:26] <adnanh> xubuntu073, depends what you choose in the partitioning part of the setup
[01:27] <adnanh> iirc, you will be given option of replacing your current OS
[01:27] <adnanh> installing alongside
[01:27] <xubuntu073> got it
[01:27] <adnanh> and something else which when chosen gives you ability to make custom partition setup
[01:27] <xubuntu073> thanks everyone :)
[01:27] <adnanh> try booting into live cd first so you can join us online during the install :D
[01:28] <xubuntu073> i have two computers so that wont be a problem
[01:28] <adnanh> ah :)
[01:29] <xubuntu073> question is do i do it tonight...
[01:29] <adnanh> do you need it tonight? are you tired? :D
[01:29] <xubuntu073> no and kind of but i'm also really excited xD
[01:30] <adnanh> did you install any other OS before? :)
[01:31] <xubuntu073> the computer i'm going to install xubuntu on is currently running OSX, my other computer (desktop) is dual booting osx and windows 7
[01:31] <adnanh> so you're familiar with the concept of partitions
[01:31] <xubuntu073> but no i've never installed linux
[01:31] <xubuntu073> yes
[01:31] <adnanh> you won't have any problems then :)
[01:32] <adnanh> installation is really simple and it's guided with wizard
[01:32] <xubuntu073> well i actually don't play on partitioning; i'm just going to wipe OSX because it stinks! but yeah i heard xubuntu was great for beginners so here i am
[01:33] <adnanh> you should do it then :)
[01:33] <xubuntu073> i guess i will then.  i'm at a friends house but as soon as i get home i'll hop back on here and start it up
[01:33] <adnanh> :)
[01:33] <xubuntu073> appreciate the help
[01:34] <David-A> if you not going to keep anything on the disk, it does not matter if you are tired when doing it. if thrashed, just take a coffie and try again
[01:34] <adnanh> glad you're trying xubuntu :) hope you'll stay with us haha
[01:34] <adnanh> :)
[01:35] <adnanh> I reckon even a potato could install xubuntu without messing anyting up :)))
[01:35] <xubuntu073> i'm sure i will  - and will probably have a crapload of questions later haha
[01:37] <adnanh> I'm off for tonight, good luck with your installation :)
[01:37] <David-A> xubuntu073: mac hw may not have bios and mac disk may have non-msdos partition-table. things should work, but check that partitioning tools works alright, or create new partition-table
[01:37] <xubuntu073> gnight
[01:37] <xubuntu073> and david i won't be partitioning so will that still be an issue?
[01:38] <adnanh> I'm pretty sure disks share the same standard
[01:39] <David-A> xubuntu073: i've seen that some partitioning tools have problem. it may matter if you use advice from random blogs to solve disk problems in the future
[01:39] <adnanh> :)
[01:40] <adnanh> anyway, I hope everything goes well, and if you don't like xubuntu from the beginning, don't give up just yet
[01:40] <xubuntu073> thanks :D and david, so you're saying that it won't matter for the start up but in the future i should keep that in mind?\
[01:41] <David-A> xubuntu073: yes, that is what I think. (I don't have mac hw myself, so I don't know what can happen.)
[01:42] <xubuntu073> gocha. well if i have problems i always have a second computer to get a new distro or whatever it is that i might need, so i'm not worried
[01:42] <adnanh> xubuntu073, do you know the model
[01:43] <xubuntu073> it's a 2009 white macbook 13", 2.26 ghz, 2 gb ram. not sure what the actual model name/number is
[01:46] <adnanh> I'm pretty sure you'll be able to pull this off :)
[01:46] <xubuntu073> yay!
[01:47] <adnanh> and since you said it doesn't really matter if you trash the current os installation
[01:47] <adnanh> there's nothing wrong in trying :D
[01:47] <xubuntu073> true that. i'll be home in 10 and then i'll start it up
[01:49] <adnanh> good luck, I'm off for now :)
[01:49] <adnanh> bye
[02:35] <viszu> I wanna set terminal cursor (block shape) to gray color and invert the color of the character underneath, so it is always visible, is that possible ?
[02:36] <v1adimir> maybe ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/151403/xubuntu-how-to-restore-default-terminal-text-coloring
[02:40] <v1adimir> though it doesn't sound right
[02:42] <viszu> I know how to change color, but the cursor don't invert the character underneath, so for example gray letter is not visible when gray cursor is on it
[02:45] <v1adimir> found this old bug (?) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/673489
[02:48] <viszu> yea that's it :<
[02:49] <viszu> it worries me that this bug is at least 2 years old and they still didn't fixed it
[02:50] <v1adimir> heh never even noticed it :s
[03:40] <Tavas> will messaging indicator eventually be available on xubuntu again? Is there an alternative applet?
[03:41] <holstein> for what app? what messages?
[03:41] <Tavas> pidgin and mail notifications
[03:42] <holstein> what mail? thrunderbird?
[03:42] <holstein> thunderbird*
[03:42] <Tavas> i used to have a notification app which integrated in the messaging indicator
[03:42] <Tavas> thought that was on gnome
[03:42] <holstein> Tavas: i thought i still did
[03:43] <holstein> Tavas: i remember removing it recently, because i want quite the opposiste
[03:43] <holstein> opposite*
[03:43] <holstein> Tavas: i would look for "notification area" and try adding it
[03:44] <holstein> see if that gets you want you want.. sometimes i make a "test panel" and just add things til i figure out what they do
[03:45] <Tavas> it was this one -- https://launchpad.net/gm-notify/0.x/0.7
[03:45] <Tavas> not on xubuntu right now so i can't test it now
[03:46] <holstein> Tavas: when you get on xfce and want to solve it, let us know :)
[03:46] <holstein> http://gmnotify.sourceforge.net/
[03:46] <holstein> "GmNotify is a tray applet that notifies you of new messages from Gmail and provides an easy mechanism to get to them. It was designed for Linux/*NIX to run in Gnome, KDE, and XFCE"
[03:47] <Tavas> holstein: thanks! as for my first question, will the indicator be back eventually?
[03:48] <holstein> Tavas: i have an indicator
[03:48] <holstein> if you removed it, just put it back.. and it'll be back
[03:48] <Tavas> release notes says it's not available on 12.10?
[03:49] <Tavas> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-10-release/
[03:49] <holstein> Tavas: i did a 12.04 install, and removed a think with an evelope on it
[03:49] <holstein> Tavas: i want quite the opposite, so im not sure.. i never tested it
[03:49] <Tavas> so it is available on 12.04 but not on 12.10 i guess
[03:50] <Tavas> holstein: which xfce version does 12.04 use?
[03:50] <holstein> Tavas: we dont need to guess.. just fire it up and look for yourself
[03:50] <holstein> Tavas: if you dont have what you want, just ask for it
[03:50] <holstein> Tavas: if you dont know its missing, then we dont need to address its missing yet
[03:51] <holstein> 4.10 i though
[03:51] <holstein> thought*
[03:51] <holstein> Tavas: i use the 12.04, since its lts... there will be some changes going from gtk2 to gtk3 im sure
[03:53] <xubuntu_user> anyone can help with a grub issue?
[03:53] <holstein> !ask
[03:53] <holstein> !grub
[03:53] <xubuntu_user> the computer won't load xubuntu without a usb stick
[03:53] <xubuntu_user> I need to change this
[03:53] <xubuntu_user> some have noted it might be in the grub list
[03:53] <xubuntu_user> but no grub list loads
[03:54] <xubuntu_user> I tried bootloader from software area and sudo install commands in terminal
[03:54] <xubuntu_user> neither work
[03:54] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i would refer to the documentation above... also i might suggest a trick, assuming you havent broken anything yet
[03:54] <holstein> reboot the system with the USB stick if that is necessary
[03:55] <holstein> unmount and remove the stick... and run in a terminal 'sudo update-grub'
[03:55] <holstein> if that doesnt work, i would just follow the "restore grub from live CD" info that i linked earlier
[03:57] <xubuntu_user> this is taking a lot of time, why does xubuntu make USB stick necessary by default?
[03:58] <xubuntu_user> I didn't do any advanced settings or anything
[03:58] <xubuntu_user> I just installed Xubuntu out of the box
[03:58] <holstein> xubuntu_user: well, to be fair, you made the stick necessary by the way you installed
[03:58] <xubuntu_user> but it said available space
[03:58] <xubuntu_user> 80gb
[03:58] <holstein> xubuntu_user: its taking a lot of time because you are new to grub
[03:58] <xubuntu_user> my USB stick is only 8gb
[03:59] <xubuntu_user> I am just talking common sense
[03:59] <xubuntu_user> not experience
[03:59] <xubuntu_user> specifically
[03:59] <xubuntu_user> the unexperienced should be able to install on hard drive
[03:59] <xubuntu_user> and then have it work from the hard driver
[03:59] <xubuntu_user> hard drive
[03:59] <holstein> xubuntu_user: sure.. but you are also asking the machine to share that common sense, and it wont.. its just a machine
[03:59] <xubuntu_user> a human is at the other end
[04:00] <holstein> xubuntu_user: all i can share is facts about how grub works, and what i think would be the easiest way to get what you need
[04:00] <xubuntu_user> the computer is in between
[04:00] <xubuntu_user> I can't imagine linux programmers know how to do all the other stuff, but they can't by default have the operating system load from the hard drive
[04:01] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i do have that, and you can.. its not a big deal.. its a misconfiguration that can be addressed several ways
[04:01] <xubuntu_user> if you want it to load from the USB then it should be in the advanced settings
[04:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows is an easy way
[04:02] <xubuntu_user> it should automatically load from hard drive by default
[04:02] <holstein> xubuntu_user: if you want to load "it", being the usb installer?
[04:02] <xubuntu_user> bio
[04:02] <holstein> xubuntu_user: what should what?
[04:02] <xubuntu_user> no
[04:02] <xubuntu_user> the computer
[04:02] <xubuntu_user> I turn computer on
[04:02] <xubuntu_user> it loads
[04:02] <xubuntu_user> no USB stick necessary
[04:03] <holstein> if you did an install, and had a stick in, grub will want that stick around to boot.. im assuming thats what you are talking about
[04:03] <xubuntu_user> yes
[04:03] <xubuntu_user> but why does it default to that?
[04:03] <xubuntu_user> why can't it default to hard drive regardkess
[04:04] <xubuntu_user> you can't install ubuntu from the hard drive
[04:04] <xubuntu_user> you have to have the CD or USB stick
[04:04] <holstein> xubuntu_user: you are free to look at grub, and/or ubuntu or xubuntu and rewite any of that
[04:04] <holstein> the fact is... you can restore grub, and pretty quick and have what you want
[04:04] <xubuntu_user> how do I look at it if it doesn't load?
[04:04] <xubuntu_user> I am trying to find how tto do tha
[04:04] <xubuntu_user> I have been trying other methods until now
[04:04] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows is what i would suggest
[04:05] <holstein> BUT, you might be able to boot the machine, and remove the stick and run 'sudo update-grub'
[04:05] <xubuntu_user> that is too confusing
[04:05] <xubuntu_user> it has XXX
[04:05] <xubuntu_user> what do I put for XXX?
[04:05] <holstein> it?
[04:05] <xubuntu_user> the site
[04:05] <xubuntu_user> you sent me to a retore stire
[04:05] <xubuntu_user> I am tire
[04:05] <xubuntu_user> there
[04:05] <holstein> xubuntu_user: im sure you are
[04:05] <holstein> xubuntu_user: you can also just reinstall
[04:06] <xubuntu_user> it will do the same if I reinstall
[04:06] <holstein> if you literlaly just installed.. and have no data, just reinstall.. it takes like 8 minutes
[04:06] <holstein> xubuntu_user: just dont put that stick in
[04:06] <xubuntu_user> but it will do the same
[04:06] <holstein> xubuntu_user: have only the hard drive in when you install
[04:06] <xubuntu_user> how do you reinstall without putting the stick in?
[04:06] <xubuntu_user> you need the USB to install it
[04:06] <xubuntu_user> or a CD
[04:06] <holstein> xubuntu_user: that is a different issue
[04:06] <holstein> xubuntu_user: im not sure that you have installed it
[04:06] <xubuntu_user> lol
[04:07] <xubuntu_user> it is installed
[04:07] <holstein> xubuntu_user: burn a cd if its easier
[04:07] <holstein> xubuntu_user: what would i do?
[04:07] <xubuntu_user> I don't  have cds
[04:07] <xubuntu_user> and I don't have a cd player
[04:07] <holstein> i would just reinstall... making sure that grub is going where you want it to go
[04:07] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i routinely install with USB sticks, and grub works fine
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> it doesn't ask about grub
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> you just telll it to install
[04:08] <holstein> xubuntu_user: im not sure how or why grub is either installed to the usb stick, or miconfigured, or expecting the usb stick
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> I only set the time
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> keyboard layout
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> and space
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> then it does everything else
[04:08] <holstein> xubuntu_user: sure.. you can use an alternate iso if you'd like
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> it doesn't stout the grubhp to ask me abo
[04:08] <holstein> xubuntu_user: but, i literally do as you do and that is not the outcome
[04:08] <xubuntu_user> what does that mean?
[04:09] <holstein> xubuntu_user: is there more than one partition on the usb stick?
[04:09] <holstein> xubuntu_user: you can also just follow the link i gave, and restore grub
[04:09] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[04:10] <holstein>  /dev/sda is likely where you want it to go
[04:10] <holstein> you can look in the terminal by running 'sudo fdisk -l' and see all your partitions
[04:10] <holstein> OR follow "where XXX is the device of your Ubuntu install. (eg: grub-install /dev/sdb). Hint: You can also use /dev/disk/by-label/ if the partition you installed on has a label. You can determine the /dev node for such a device by running"
[04:11] <holstein> xubuntu_user: OR, use any other boot manager
[04:11] <holstein> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[04:11] <xubuntu_user> I don't understand what that is
[04:11] <xubuntu_user> this is too confusing
[04:11] <xubuntu_user> I just want to click install and have it install to my hard drive
[04:11] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i would just reinstall
[04:11] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i do
[04:11] <xubuntu_user> I can't
[04:11] <holstein> xubuntu_user: it does
[04:11] <xubuntu_user> it will do the same thing
[04:12] <holstein> xubuntu_user: im not sure what you are doing incorrectly
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> If I reinstall, then in 30 minutes I will have t he same problem
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> I have already done it several times
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> I put USB stick in
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> it asks for time
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> time zone
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> it asks for keyboard layout
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> it asks for available space
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> and then it installs
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> It doesn't ask me about grub settings
[04:12] <xubuntu_user> it doesn;t ask me to load using USB stick or hard drive
[04:13] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i download an iso.. i format the entire drive with gparted to fat32... i use unetbootin to make the stick.. i install answering the questions you typed and it just works
[04:13] <holstein> xubuntu_user: the alternate iso asks.. the line one doesnt
[04:13] <holstein> xubuntu_user: the live one is a bit more automated and usually just works
[04:13] <holstein> xubuntu_user: is there more than one partition on the installer usb stick?
[04:14] <xubuntu_user> the partition is on my hard drive
[04:14] <xubuntu_user> but it is using all of the hard drive
[04:14] <holstein> xubuntu_user: the usb stick you are using as the installation media
[04:14] <holstein> xubuntu_user: is there more than one partition on it?
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> it is just a usb stip
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> stick
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> 8gb
[04:15] <holstein> xubuntu_user: correct
[04:15] <holstein> xubuntu_user: is there just one partition on it?
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> yes
[04:15] <holstein> xubuntu_user: fat32? what did you make the installer with?
[04:15] <holstein> unetbootin?
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> it is not letting me unmount the USB stick
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> no
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> the other one
[04:15] <holstein> xubuntu_user: what is "it"
[04:15] <xubuntu_user> the computer
[04:15] <holstein> xubuntu_user: so, you have not installed?
[04:16] <holstein> xubuntu_user: the stick is not working fo the installation?
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> installed what?
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> installation of what?
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> I already told you
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> I installed Xubuntu
[04:16] <holstein> xubuntu_user: whatever is on the usb stick.. im assuming xubuntu 12.10?
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> but it won't load unless I use a usb stick
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> yes
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> I already told you a thousand times
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> it installed xubuntu
[04:16] <holstein> xubuntu_user: simpler answers please
[04:16] <xubuntu_user> but it will not load
[04:16] <holstein> xubuntu_user: relax please
[04:17] <xubuntu_user> unless I use a usb stick
[04:17] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i realise you are frustrated.. but we are volunteers
[04:17] <holstein> xubuntu_user: im going to ask you a few questions and i want yes or no.. ok?
[04:17] <xubuntu_user> if I could just get it to install to the hard drive then I can do what I need to do on it
[04:17] <xubuntu_user> it is wasting my week trying to figure this out
[04:17] <xubuntu_user> the programmers of linux can do all the other stuff
[04:17] <holstein> xubuntu_user: and i understand you are frustrated
[04:18] <xubuntu_user> but they can;t make it install to hard drive by default?
[04:18] <xubuntu_user> I can't believe that
[04:18] <holstein> xubuntu_user: but what you need to understand is, you have a configuration issue
[04:18] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i routinely install from USB in 8 minutes
[04:18] <holstein> and i will show you how... will you answer yes or no?
[04:18] <holstein> xubuntu_user: you need to let go of your frustration now.. i didnt code any of this
[04:19] <xubuntu_user> type out the steps
[04:19] <holstein> xubuntu_user: its not tech support.. im not getting paid.. im just a friendly face in a channel trying to help? ok?
[04:19] <xubuntu_user> I will try others online
[04:19] <xubuntu_user> ok
[04:19] <holstein> xubuntu_user: will you answer yes or no?
[04:19] <xubuntu_user> stop with the mumbo jumbo
[04:19] <xubuntu_user> yes or no to what?
[04:19] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i assure you this is not mumbo jumbo
[04:19] <holstein> xubuntu_user: i would like to ask you questions.. and you say yes or no... ok?
[04:20] <holstein> to help determine the cause of the issue you are experiencing
[04:21] <holstein> well, i'll start. you downloaded the live xubuntu 12.10 iso, correct?
[04:21] <holstein> you can answer yes or no...
[04:21] <holstein> if your answer is "i dont know", thats fine.. we'll determine what you downloaded
[04:24] <xubuntu_user> I got 12.04 to usb
[04:25] <xubuntu_user> it shows a grub on this netbook
[04:25] <holstein> xubuntu_user: you downloaded the xubuntu 12.04 live iso? correct?
[04:25] <xubuntu_user> but not on the desktop I have problems with
[04:25] <xubuntu_user> yes, if that is the one you get for a usb
[04:25] <xubuntu_user> usb install
[04:26] <xubuntu_user> i followed the directions from the ubuntu site
[04:26] <xubuntu_user> just as it is listed
[04:26] <holstein> xubuntu_user: you can install 12.04, 12.10, or any *buntu from USB.. check and see what iso you downloaded
[04:27] <holstein> it'll say in the label... 12.10, or 12.04
[04:27] <xubuntu_user> that is irrelevant info
[04:27] <xubuntu_user> I already told you
[04:27] <xubuntu_user> I got 12.04
[04:27] <xubuntu_user> the issue at hand is the grub
[04:27] <xubuntu_user> and usb stick being needed to load
[04:28] <holstein> xubuntu_user: you actually said "if that is the one you get for a usb", and its not
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> ok
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> then I didn't get it
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> so what?
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> the point is I got something
[04:28] <holstein> xubuntu_user: didnt get what?
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> or else xubuntu wouldn't have loaded at all
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> I already told you
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> are you stupid?
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> are you a bot?
[04:28] <xubuntu_user> is this a robot reply?
[04:28] <holstein> xubuntu_user: im just trying to determine what media you used to install from and what operating system you are using
[04:29] <xubuntu_user> or am I communicating with a human?
[04:29] <xubuntu_user> that was fast typing
[04:29] <xubuntu_user> so I surmise you are not a human on the other end
[05:49] <xubuntu368> xfce 4.10 officially available for 12.04 or only via external PPA's?
[06:29] <xubuntu368> Patience is a virtue... posses it if you can...
[06:44] <baizon> xubuntu368: ppa
[06:45] <xubuntu368> baizon: thanks... so no plans for backports
[06:45] <xubuntu368> ?
[06:45] <baizon> dont think so
[06:46] <xubuntu368> k
[06:55] <Carlinhos> Is there a way to change my user's real name? When I change it in "Users and Groups" it always reverts back to the original.
[06:58] <baizon> Carlinhos: try with "chfn"
[07:00] <Carlinhos> baizon:  sudo chfn -f "First Last" <username> seems to have worked, thanks!
[07:01] <baizon> np
[07:14] <xubuntu526> hi
[07:15] <xubuntu526> anyone can help me. i lose my password on xubuntu
[07:17] <baizon> xubuntu526: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[07:20] <xubuntu526> thanks baizon. now i try!
[07:20] <baizon> ok
[07:48] <nikolam> it is strange how whole system waits to bring up network interface and meanwhile I can not use text consoles
[07:49] <nikolam> I had one install where it waited forever actually
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> static ip address can speed things up some
[07:55] <Marzathah> is there a way to open Xfce Notes with the keyboard?
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> Marzathah: you can set a keyboard shortcut for that
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> I don't think it comes standard
[07:56] <Marzathah> dunno how to do it, esp. when once the app is started and it is the panel
[07:58] <well_laid_lawn> I've never used notes but there's some blogs about it
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> Marzathah: this might help - http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-October/029257.html
[08:00] <nikolam> I set up static network on a machine upon basic install without GUI. Now when I installed xubuntu-desktop, Network can not be configured in GUI.
[08:02] <nikolam> e.g. interface got some 169* adress range from DHCP I don't know where he got it from.
[08:02] <nikolam> maybe that't ISP private
[08:06] <nikolam> also ifup/ifdown and ifconfig <interface> up/down seems that have no effect when changing /etc/network/interfaces manually, until restart ...
 I set up static network on a machine upon basic install without GUI.
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> what does that entail?
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> you edited /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:08] <nikolam> well_laid_lawn, I suppose ubuntu-minimal, it was from alternate 12.04 install with deselected xubuntu-desktop
[08:08] <nikolam> yes, I edited it to be able to have network upon install. and added route and resolv.conf
[08:08] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:09] <nikolam> since dhcp never works upon fresh install..
[08:09] <nikolam> and after adding GUI I have no network with DHCP again
[08:09] <well_laid_lawn> are those files the same or has something overwritten them ?
[08:09] <nikolam> well_laid_lawn, please restate your question
[08:10] <well_laid_lawn> nikolam: have those network files changed since you installed the gui ?
[08:10] <nikolam> I am changing them right now to be able to have a network working
[08:11] <nikolam> yes I also changed them upon GUI install to make DHCP work and deselected static setup in interfaces
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> is networkmanager running?
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> ps aux | grep -i net
[08:11] <nikolam> you think that bricked GUI?
[08:11] <nikolam> I now already set up static again manually.
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> something changed the network settings
[08:12] <nikolam> and yes, again no ip interface up on reboot...
[08:13] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like something to manage the network is started
[08:13] <nikolam> well I changed them and it only works when I set up all the bits manually. Remember, NO network working upon minimal install . nicht
[08:14] <nikolam> i don't know what that would be on wresh minimal install with no gui
[08:15] <nikolam> I can only guess it is by design for ubuntu in general for minimal install, not to have working dhcp upon reboot
[08:15] <nikolam> upon fresh install
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file ?
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[08:18] <nikolam> well_laid_lawn, I just adied it. It owrked for net upon fresh install
[08:19] <nikolam> edited it.
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> so it's all good then ?
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> ok then :)
[08:22] <nikolam> yes and answer to your question for ps aux | grep -i net , is that I only have network monitor started in panel that I added (since also it did not see second wlan0 interface untill reboot, too.)
[08:24] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[08:26] <nikolam> I guess Ubuntu assign 169* address range to unconfigured interfaces. ... I see wlan even have static route added I did not put there
[08:28] <nikolam> and now to re-test all installed packages...
[08:28] <well_laid_lawn> heh luck
[08:28] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[08:29] <nikolam> Maybe xubuntu-desktop does not have dependency on network manager, or any changes to interfaces stop it from working?
[08:33] <nikolam> hm network-manager IS installed..
[08:34] <nikolam> and nm-applet IS runnign, just not displaying itself...
[08:45] <well_laid_lawn> I thought there was something else setting the network
[08:45] <well_laid_lawn> you sound like you know what you're doing
[09:07] <nikolam> how do you think it would be a good way to re-check all installed packages and their files for checksums? I used debsums -acl and it found binutils and miscfiles that I did aptitude reinstall.
[10:42] <xubuntu576> Hello all is there a way to get better support with AMD drivers?
[10:43] <xubuntu576> My windows lags when i drag them any ideas for preformence
[10:44] <v1adimir> settings manager - window manager - advanced - hide contents when resizing would be my suggestion
[10:45] <xubuntu576> ook i am installing right now
[10:45] <v1adimir> avoids a lot of not needed stress :)
[10:45] <v1adimir> xubuntu576: there's nothing to install, should be there
[10:45] <v1adimir> *already
[10:45] <xubuntu576> when i am done ill pop back on here also I feel that AMD drivers dont do a whole lot
[10:46] <xubuntu576> I am installing Zubuntu 12.10 right now
[10:46] <xubuntu576> xubuntu
[10:46] <xubuntu576> sorry
[10:46] <v1adimir> upgrading?
[10:46] <xubuntu576> nope
[10:46] <xubuntu576> full
[10:46] <v1adimir> but have you had 12.04 before?
[10:46] <xubuntu576> i donwloaded it and burned it from scratch
[10:46] <xubuntu576> yes
[10:46] <xubuntu576> but very laggy
[10:46] <v1adimir> you might not like 12.10, just a friendly warning :S
[10:47] <xubuntu576> I am hoping this will fix it
[10:47] <xubuntu576> so fare i ahve had bad luck with every distro
[10:47] <v1adimir> it will preform the same as the livecd
[10:47] <xubuntu576> well is there any tweaks
[10:47] <xubuntu576> like there has to be somthing
[10:48] <xubuntu576> i have tried alow of distros and nothing is preforming right
[10:48] <v1adimir> there's the new(er) kernel and a bunch of stuff, but many things are broken
[10:48] <xubuntu576> all lag
[10:48] <xubuntu576> whats broken
[10:48] <xubuntu576> Lubuntu has issues as well
[10:48] <xubuntu576> I have noticed all the new 12.10 releases are bad
[10:49] <v1adimir> it's just not LTS that's why probably
[10:49] <xubuntu576> whats LTS have to do with you Ubuntu make quality Distro
[10:50] <xubuntu576> i mean ubuntu not you sorry
[10:50] <v1adimir> if I knew exactly, I wouldn't have said probably :D
[10:51] <xubuntu576> Well quality should not change the way the site shows how good it is looks like I would be sold on installing now from what you said makes me not wanna run it now lol
[10:51] <v1adimir> it's the 2 notable issues from http://xubuntu.org/news/12-10-release/
[10:51] <xubuntu576> casue i had issues from Lubuntu and that was upgrading
[10:52] <v1adimir> and then there will be stuff not installed by default that was there in 12.04 on fresh install (even on upgrade)
[10:52] <xubuntu576>      The messaging indicator is not available for 12.10     Duplicated partitions might be shown at Thunar sidebar and the desktop
[10:52] <xubuntu576> thats what you mean
[10:52] <xubuntu576> right
[10:53] <v1adimir> yeah, but everything is reflected on the livecd/usb - if you still have / don't have problems when running it - your system, once installed, should be equal to it almost exactly
[10:54] <v1adimir> i mean except for boot time if using the cd for example
[10:54] <xubuntu576> so what ya saying is if i have issues with preformence then no pont in running it
[10:54] <v1adimir> if the livecd gives you grief, it is what it is :(
[10:54] <xubuntu576> all i have is laggy windows since 12.04
[10:55] <xubuntu576> thats what it is for all ditros right
[10:55] <v1adimir> unless you're really missing something, like if you have older hardware and you need a particular driver
[10:55] <xubuntu576> so LTS or not still a problem
[10:55] <xubuntu576> i have HD5770
[10:55] <v1adimir> so what do you mean by lagging, just choppy edges when moving?
[10:56] <xubuntu576> but AMD Drivers make my system lag more
[10:56] <xubuntu576> and laggy what I mean is the windows jitter across my screen and seems like its teleporting
[10:57] <xubuntu576> the windows lags when moving it
[10:57] <v1adimir> not sure if it's so severe for me, but on the GTS 450 i get a lot of that
[10:57] <xubuntu576> whats casuing this
[10:57] <xubuntu576> this happens on every distro
[10:58] <xubuntu576> dont matter what desktop
[10:58] <v1adimir> no idea, it's syncing from the X server
[10:58] <xubuntu576> thas why I stoped 12.04
[10:58] <v1adimir> but i just hide the contents when moving and don't worry about putting compiz or doing anything like that
[10:58] <v1adimir> and it's fine :)
[10:58] <xubuntu576> XFCE was the best untill it started messing up and lagging
[10:59] <xubuntu576> what you mean hide contents
[10:59] <xubuntu576> ill brb need to restart
[10:59] <xubuntu576> this is a fresh install
[10:59] <v1adimir> the setting in window manager
[10:59] <xubuntu576> will you be here when i get back
[10:59] <v1adimir> gotta run :(
[11:00] <xubuntu576> what setting is it
[11:00] <xubuntu576> before you go
[11:00] <v1adimir> settings manager - window manager - advanced tab towards the bottom
[11:00] <xubuntu576> ok
[11:06] <kidx> thanks
[13:17] <xubuntu432> hello baby
[13:17] <xubuntu432> i ave yur wolf
[13:18] <xubuntu432> shuck shuck
[13:35] <v1adimir> xubuntu303: managed to install?
[13:35] <xubuntu303> hey there.. a smb-thunar pro out here? *g
[13:35] <xubuntu303> and a littelbit of configuration so far :)
[13:36] <v1adimir> any difference?
[13:39] <xubuntu303> well, i run a win/mac single hd "wannabe nas" here, two pc's with xubuntu - if i access a nas folder from one of those xubuntu pcs with thunar, the network-tab of thunar disapears - i can mount the other paths of the nas with gigolo..
[13:39] <xubuntu303> (disapears at the other pc)
[13:39] <xubuntu303> thinks because using the same username..?
[13:40] <v1adimir> hm
[13:41] <v1adimir> no idea :))
[13:41] <xubuntu303> kinda strange that the whole network tab in thunar disapers.. dunno
[13:52] <xubuntu669> interessant tout cela
[13:53] <v1adimir> xubuntu669: what's your online connection, xDSL maybe?.. have you noticed that: sudo apt-get update needs the keys added manually now?
[13:53] <v1adimir> *for any PPAs that you might have
[13:54] <v1adimir> if you come across it, it's simple: http://en.kioskea.net/faq/809-debian-apt-get-no-pubkey-gpg-error && they key(s) are listed on the PPA
[13:54] <v1adimir> oops :s
[16:12] <Guest40870> Hello everyone, this is trivial I know but how to change the mouse cursor to black :) ?
[16:13] <TheSheep> Guest40870: settings manager -> mouse and touchpad -> theme
[16:14] <Guest40870> Thanks. Do I need to restart in order to see the changes?
[16:15] <Guest40870> Because Nothing still changed!
[16:15] <TheSheep> no
[16:16] <TheSheep> works for me
[16:16] <Guest40870> when I rollover something clickable the black cursor shows.
[16:16] <Guest40870> but in the default state it's still white!
[16:17] <TheSheep> Guest40870:the applications that are running laready might still display old mouse cursor
[16:18] <Guest40870> Yeah, that's it. Thanks a lot, TheSheep
[16:33] <subman> I'm trying to use Pidgin to connect to a jabber server but I keep getting the error "Server does not use any supported authentication method".  Running on Xubuntu 12.04 and Pidgin version 2.10.3
[17:05] <unrar> ohaio
[18:11] <Guest94966> Hello everyone. Eclipse IDE launcher icon is too large!
[18:12] <Guest94966> any idea how to fix that?
[18:13] <GridCube> Guest94966, care to share a screenshot?
[18:13] <Guest94966> I'm sorry I
[18:13] <Guest94966> I'm a newbite to IRC stuff
[18:13] <Guest94966> how to post images here?
[18:13] <GridCube> !imagebin
[18:14] <Guest94966> Ok.
[18:21] <Guest94966> I took the screenshot with prt scr. How to paste and save it to a file!
[18:21] <Guest94966> I don't have but gThumb graphics application
[18:21] <Guest94966> GridCube
[18:22] <GridCube> Guest94966, when you press prt scr a pop up opens that asks you where to save the picture
[18:22] <Guest94966> GridCube, that didn't happen!
[18:22] <GridCube> you can open the screen shot program from the menu applications > Accesories > screenshot utility
[18:23] <GridCube> Guest94966, did you had a menu clicked while pressing prntscrn?
[18:24] <Guest94966> GridCube, oh yes the Applications Menu where the icon is located
[18:25] <Guest94966> it's true it shows the pop up when not clicked
[18:25] <GridCube> yep, thats a desing flaw
[18:26] <GridCube> not a bug though
[18:26] <Guest94966> GridCube, do you know where can I change this icon size. It's annoying :D
[18:27] <GridCube> Guest94966, i dont understand your problem, thats why im asking for a screenshot :)
[18:27] <GridCube> you can use the program from the menu, give it a delay of a few seconds and go to the place in the menus you need to show us
[18:27] <Guest94966> I'll just add it to the desktop panel
[18:36] <Guest94966> GridCube, there you go http://imagebin.org/235367
[18:36] <GridCube> oh... wooow
[18:36] <GridCube> D:
[18:36] <Guest94966> :D
[18:36] <GridCube> thats a huge icon
[18:37] <Guest94966> that's the tooltip though
[18:37] <Guest94966> but the icon is still huge :)\
[18:37] <GridCube> yeah, i understand the picture
[18:37] <GridCube> thats a standard xfce panel correct? the one that cames with standard xubuntu, and you just changed the apps in it
[18:38] <Guest94966> yeah
[18:38] <GridCube> so you can go al rigth clic the icon, go to Configurations > Pencil Icon > clic on the ICON next to the word Icon
[18:38] <GridCube> and choose any other icon you wish
[18:39] <GridCube> you can get a png from google images
[18:41] <Guest94966> GridCube, does this gThumb allow image resizing?
[18:41] <GridCube> this one for example http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/franksouza183/fs/512/Apps-eclipse-icon.png
[18:42] <GridCube> Guest94966, if you open an image on gThumb on the side at the top, there is a Pallet icon
[18:43] <GridCube> there you have a lot of edition tools
[18:44] <GridCube> Guest94966, http://i.imgur.com/BPTwX.png
[18:46] <Guest94966> GridCube, thanks man I'm bothering you with just trivial stuff :)
[18:48] <GridCube> :) dont worry
[18:49] <Guest94966> one last question, After resizing when I try to save, "Could not find a suitable module to save the image as "image/x-xpixmap" appears
[18:50] <GridCube> have you added the .png at the end of the file name?
[18:54] <Guest94966> GridCube, xpm yes.
[18:54] <GridCube> xpm?
[18:54] <GridCube> dunno about xpm
[18:54] <GridCube> let me check
[18:55] <GridCube> i dont see xpm among the supported filetypes
[18:56] <GridCube> see at the bottom of the save dialog? it says to you the formats it knows how to save to
[18:56] <GridCube> tiff, tga, png and jpg only
[18:57] <Guest94966> also Error opening file '/opt/eclipse/icon.png': Permission denied
[18:59] <GridCube> because you cant save to that location
[18:59] <GridCube> its not own by your user, its own by root
[18:59] <GridCube> save it to your Images folder
[19:01] <Guest94966> and then copy it to the /opt folder?
[19:01] <GridCube> why for?
[19:02] <GridCube> you just want to use it on that icon
[19:02] <GridCube> you could do that if you really wanted to, i dont see a reason though
[19:02] <Guest94966> I mean the configs of eclipse uses the icon from this specific place
[19:03] <Guest94966> so I wanted to replace the new resized image with the old one
[19:03] <GridCube> i always have a folder in my ~/Images named DockIcons, and i take my icons from there
[19:03] <Guest94966> aha but that won't fix the icon in the Applications Menu :)
[19:03] <Guest94966> just the desktop panel
[19:04] <GridCube> no... you can edit the menu aswel
[19:04] <GridCube> and if you update the program your fix will be overwrited
[19:07] <GridCube> http://i.imgur.com/icC64.png
[19:08] <Guest94966> GridCube, thanks a lot :)
[19:09] <GridCube> dont worry :)
[19:17] <deebo> when i add a program to the top panel, it doesn't properly scale the 64x64 icon
[19:17] <deebo> something i can do to fix this? currently its only showing a part of the icon
[19:23] <Guest69892> Guys I'm having an issue with the mouse pointer. I changed it to DMZ (black)
[19:23] <Guest69892> but whenever I reboot it's turned back to white
[19:23] <Guest69892> though it's black in the settings
[19:34] <GridCube> deebo, care to pass a screenshot?
[19:45] <milen8204> hello I tried to install an application and received that massage: http://pastie.org/5357321
[19:45] <milen8204> anyone could help ?
[19:46] <deebo> GridCube: http://i.imgur.com/2sLMV.png
[19:47] <GridCube> ok
[19:47] <GridCube> thanks
[19:47] <GridCube> ochosi, ping
[19:47] <GridCube> deebo, you could choose an smaller icon for it, choose one from google images
[19:49] <deebo> GridCube: not really a solution :)
[19:49] <GridCube> deebo, i know, but you are not the first today to come with this issue
[19:49] <deebo> when i hover over the launcher, the tooltip also has a 128x128 icon instead of a scaled one :P
[19:50] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/235367 see, this one was earlier today
[19:50] <deebo> GridCube: the file manager icon seems properly scaled tho, wonder if its about the format or some weeeeeird bug
[19:50] <deebo> yeah heh, thats even the same program more or less
[19:50] <GridCube> deebo, i would not know, please check if that icon is in xpm format?
[19:50] <deebo> yeah its xpm
[19:50] <GridCube> mmmhm... same format
[19:51] <GridCube> could you please make a bug report?
[19:51] <deebo> sure, wheres the tracker
[19:52] <GridCube> deebo, from any terminal write ubuntu-bug xfce4-panel
[19:52] <deebo> oh cool
[19:52] <GridCube> and it will create a bug report for it and send it to launchpad, you need a launchapd account though
[20:21] <mahmoud_> my black mouse cursor doesn't want to appear.
[20:21] <mahmoud_> why it's still white?
[20:27] <mahmoud_> Hellooo. The black cursor is critical for me lol
[20:38] <xubuntu486> What is the difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu ??
[20:38] <bpuzzled> xubuntu486: the set of packages installed.  that's all.
[20:39] <bpuzzled> (i.e. the software the comes installed by default.)
[20:39] <xubuntu486> I had Ubuntu and converted it to Xubuntu
[20:39] <xubuntu486> And now I have both of them available
[20:39] <xubuntu486>  But my PC takes long time to start
[20:40] <xubuntu486> How to remove Unnecessary files ??
[20:40] <xubuntu486> A tool like AVG PC Tune up for windows
[20:40] <xubuntu486> Any one here ??
[20:41] <xubuntu486> Um a gaaaaaay !!
[20:41] <xubuntu486> See my ass on your dick
[20:41] <xubuntu486> Linux already sucks
[20:41] <xubuntu486> Windows 8 pro is better
[20:42] <deebo> well that turned weird quickly
[20:47] <mahmoud_> lol
[20:48] <GridCube> mahmoud_, see faq 8: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[20:50] <mahmoud_> GridCube, ok I ran chmod +x ~/.Xdefaults
[20:50] <mahmoud_> nothing change yet :(
[20:50] <bpuzzled> heh
[20:50] <bpuzzled> maybe xubuntu486 should have been using edubuntu.
[20:51] <GridCube> deebo, :) have you made the bug report? do you have a number?
[20:56] <Guest33671> If anyone has a problem with changing their mouse cursor.
[20:57] <Guest33671> That worked
[20:57] <deebo> GridCube: not yet
[20:57] <Guest33671> http://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size
[21:29] <Guest33671> I've just installed tomcat7 using terminal 'apt-get install...'
[21:30] <Guest33671> where it should be located?
[21:30] <Guest33671> on the disk drive?
[21:32] <Guest33671> aha
[21:32] <Guest33671> usr/share/
[21:33] <Guest33671> ana Java developers out there?
[21:33] <Guest33671> any**
[21:34] <deebo> dont install tomcat using apt-get, get the binary from tomcat.apache.org
[21:34] <deebo> its overconfigured on debian/ubuntu
[21:34] <deebo> impossible to use for development
[21:35] <Guest33671> ok so now I shall removed what I installed and re-install again from tomcat webste?
[21:35] <deebo> yes
[21:35] <Guest33671> ok
[21:37] <Guest33671> deebo, does Tomcat7 go well with Java EE 5 or it's irrelevant?
[21:37] <deebo> tomcat7 is the first one with servlet 3.0 spec implemented
[21:37] <deebo> you should know, shouldnt you :P
[21:38] <Guest33671> yeah I should. Java EE 6 :D ?
[21:43] <xubuntu365> hi, anyone know how to get the wireless to stop shutting down
[21:44] <xubuntu365> I have an ASUS USB13N dongle
[21:44] <xubuntu365> stayes connected for a little while then requires I restart it
[22:37] <markyb86> hello. if i show you this picture http://i.imgur.com/GAAVJ.png can anyone tell me what might be causing my font to do this? xubuntu 12.10 32bit. i have ubuntu with xfce on another laptop with no issue, and xubuntu x64 on desktop also without issue.
[22:40] <delta> hi
[22:46] <markyb86> must have been anti-aliasing
[22:48] <delta> hi