[00:39] is there an install guide for a complete linux noob that someone can link me to [00:51] xubuntu073: there isn't any obvious install guide at http://docs.xubuntu.org/ as far as I can see, but the install process is very much the same for Xubuntu as for Ubuntu. you should be able to find websites explaining it. [00:52] thanks [00:52] xubuntu073: or you can ask specific questions you want explained here, and we'll see what we can do [00:52] well what i think you're supposed to do is put the download on a disk or usb and boot from there [00:52] correct?\ [00:53] yep [00:53] have an idea of how you want to partition the hdd [00:53] xubuntu073: exactly, thats the first step for 2 of the 3 of 4 options to install [00:54] *or [00:54] hello xubards [00:55] alright, thanks. i'll look up the steps from there. [00:55] xubuntu073: you need to burn the .iso as an image and not as a file, if burning to cd/dvd, or you use a program like unetbootin to create an usb-stick from the .iso file. [00:57] so i need to mount the .iso on my usb? [01:00] xubuntu073: it is not called "mount". unetbootin copies the .iso in a special way (rips the iso9660 filesystem apart and recreates the same thing in fat filesystem, I think) [01:01] so regardless of whether or not i'm using a USB or CD i should use unetbootin [01:02] xubuntu073: no, unetbootin (or other similar program) for usb, cd-burning-program for cd/dvd [01:04] xubuntu073: you go for usb or cd? (usb if computer have no cd/dvd drive) (cd/dvd if computer cannot boot from usb) (lost if neither) [01:12] got it. i [01:12] i'll probably do Usb [01:12] so unetbootin it is [01:12] thanks [01:18] xubuntu073: iirc unetbootin will offer to select a linux-distro and download an .iso for you, if you already have downloaded and don't want to again, make sure to point it to the existing .iso [01:20] David-A, PXE if he has an ethernet port and another computer :) [01:20] PXE? === kj4 is now known as kj5 [01:22] basically you have your other computer feed the first one installation files over ethernet [01:22] that sounds pretty cool [01:22] but this is my first time [01:22] ah [01:22] so i think i'll probably just usb boot [01:22] well usb boot works for you [01:22] i thought you were stuck with no usb and no cd rom [01:23] nah i got a usb. does it need to be clean except for the ISO though, because mine has other stuff on it as well [01:23] my advice is to back your stuff from usb anyway [01:24] i already did, but can i use the iso alongside the other stuff or hsould i delete it [01:24] see what the unetbootin says [01:25] kk will do, thanks [01:26] good luck :) [01:26] oh one last question [01:26] when i boot from the usb and install it and all that crap, will it delete the old os for me [01:26] xubuntu073: another precaution, I've seen someone select C: instead of the usb drive in unetbootin and caused a slight amount of trouble [01:26] xubuntu073, depends what you choose in the partitioning part of the setup [01:27] iirc, you will be given option of replacing your current OS [01:27] installing alongside [01:27] got it [01:27] and something else which when chosen gives you ability to make custom partition setup [01:27] thanks everyone :) [01:27] try booting into live cd first so you can join us online during the install :D [01:28] i have two computers so that wont be a problem [01:28] ah :) [01:29] question is do i do it tonight... [01:29] do you need it tonight? are you tired? :D [01:29] no and kind of but i'm also really excited xD [01:30] did you install any other OS before? :) [01:31] the computer i'm going to install xubuntu on is currently running OSX, my other computer (desktop) is dual booting osx and windows 7 [01:31] so you're familiar with the concept of partitions [01:31] but no i've never installed linux [01:31] yes [01:31] you won't have any problems then :) [01:32] installation is really simple and it's guided with wizard [01:32] well i actually don't play on partitioning; i'm just going to wipe OSX because it stinks! but yeah i heard xubuntu was great for beginners so here i am [01:33] you should do it then :) [01:33] i guess i will then. i'm at a friends house but as soon as i get home i'll hop back on here and start it up [01:33] :) [01:33] appreciate the help [01:34] if you not going to keep anything on the disk, it does not matter if you are tired when doing it. if thrashed, just take a coffie and try again [01:34] glad you're trying xubuntu :) hope you'll stay with us haha [01:34] :) [01:35] I reckon even a potato could install xubuntu without messing anyting up :))) [01:35] i'm sure i will - and will probably have a crapload of questions later haha [01:37] I'm off for tonight, good luck with your installation :) [01:37] xubuntu073: mac hw may not have bios and mac disk may have non-msdos partition-table. things should work, but check that partitioning tools works alright, or create new partition-table [01:37] gnight [01:37] and david i won't be partitioning so will that still be an issue? [01:38] I'm pretty sure disks share the same standard [01:39] xubuntu073: i've seen that some partitioning tools have problem. it may matter if you use advice from random blogs to solve disk problems in the future [01:39] :) [01:40] anyway, I hope everything goes well, and if you don't like xubuntu from the beginning, don't give up just yet [01:40] thanks :D and david, so you're saying that it won't matter for the start up but in the future i should keep that in mind?\ [01:41] xubuntu073: yes, that is what I think. (I don't have mac hw myself, so I don't know what can happen.) [01:42] gocha. well if i have problems i always have a second computer to get a new distro or whatever it is that i might need, so i'm not worried [01:42] xubuntu073, do you know the model [01:43] it's a 2009 white macbook 13", 2.26 ghz, 2 gb ram. not sure what the actual model name/number is [01:46] I'm pretty sure you'll be able to pull this off :) [01:46] yay! [01:47] and since you said it doesn't really matter if you trash the current os installation [01:47] there's nothing wrong in trying :D [01:47] true that. i'll be home in 10 and then i'll start it up [01:49] good luck, I'm off for now :) [01:49] bye [02:35] I wanna set terminal cursor (block shape) to gray color and invert the color of the character underneath, so it is always visible, is that possible ? [02:36] maybe ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/151403/xubuntu-how-to-restore-default-terminal-text-coloring [02:40] though it doesn't sound right [02:42] I know how to change color, but the cursor don't invert the character underneath, so for example gray letter is not visible when gray cursor is on it [02:45] found this old bug (?) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/673489 [02:45] Launchpad bug 673489 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal cursor opaque / not inverting" [Low,Triaged] [02:48] yea that's it :< [02:49] it worries me that this bug is at least 2 years old and they still didn't fixed it [02:50] heh never even noticed it :s [03:40] will messaging indicator eventually be available on xubuntu again? Is there an alternative applet? [03:41] for what app? what messages? [03:41] pidgin and mail notifications [03:42] what mail? thrunderbird? [03:42] thunderbird* [03:42] i used to have a notification app which integrated in the messaging indicator [03:42] thought that was on gnome [03:42] Tavas: i thought i still did [03:43] Tavas: i remember removing it recently, because i want quite the opposiste [03:43] opposite* [03:43] Tavas: i would look for "notification area" and try adding it [03:44] see if that gets you want you want.. sometimes i make a "test panel" and just add things til i figure out what they do [03:45] it was this one -- https://launchpad.net/gm-notify/0.x/0.7 [03:45] not on xubuntu right now so i can't test it now [03:46] Tavas: when you get on xfce and want to solve it, let us know :) [03:46] http://gmnotify.sourceforge.net/ [03:46] "GmNotify is a tray applet that notifies you of new messages from Gmail and provides an easy mechanism to get to them. It was designed for Linux/*NIX to run in Gnome, KDE, and XFCE" [03:47] holstein: thanks! as for my first question, will the indicator be back eventually? [03:48] Tavas: i have an indicator [03:48] if you removed it, just put it back.. and it'll be back [03:48] release notes says it's not available on 12.10? [03:49] http://xubuntu.org/news/12-10-release/ [03:49] Tavas: i did a 12.04 install, and removed a think with an evelope on it [03:49] Tavas: i want quite the opposite, so im not sure.. i never tested it [03:49] so it is available on 12.04 but not on 12.10 i guess [03:50] holstein: which xfce version does 12.04 use? [03:50] Tavas: we dont need to guess.. just fire it up and look for yourself [03:50] Tavas: if you dont have what you want, just ask for it [03:50] Tavas: if you dont know its missing, then we dont need to address its missing yet [03:51] 4.10 i though [03:51] thought* [03:51] Tavas: i use the 12.04, since its lts... there will be some changes going from gtk2 to gtk3 im sure [03:53] anyone can help with a grub issue? [03:53] !ask [03:53] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [03:53] !grub [03:53] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [03:53] the computer won't load xubuntu without a usb stick [03:53] I need to change this [03:53] some have noted it might be in the grub list [03:53] but no grub list loads [03:54] I tried bootloader from software area and sudo install commands in terminal [03:54] neither work [03:54] xubuntu_user: i would refer to the documentation above... also i might suggest a trick, assuming you havent broken anything yet [03:54] reboot the system with the USB stick if that is necessary [03:55] unmount and remove the stick... and run in a terminal 'sudo update-grub' [03:55] if that doesnt work, i would just follow the "restore grub from live CD" info that i linked earlier [03:57] this is taking a lot of time, why does xubuntu make USB stick necessary by default? [03:58] I didn't do any advanced settings or anything [03:58] I just installed Xubuntu out of the box [03:58] xubuntu_user: well, to be fair, you made the stick necessary by the way you installed [03:58] but it said available space [03:58] 80gb [03:58] xubuntu_user: its taking a lot of time because you are new to grub [03:58] my USB stick is only 8gb [03:59] I am just talking common sense [03:59] not experience [03:59] specifically [03:59] the unexperienced should be able to install on hard drive [03:59] and then have it work from the hard driver [03:59] hard drive [03:59] xubuntu_user: sure.. but you are also asking the machine to share that common sense, and it wont.. its just a machine [03:59] a human is at the other end [04:00] xubuntu_user: all i can share is facts about how grub works, and what i think would be the easiest way to get what you need [04:00] the computer is in between [04:00] I can't imagine linux programmers know how to do all the other stuff, but they can't by default have the operating system load from the hard drive [04:01] xubuntu_user: i do have that, and you can.. its not a big deal.. its a misconfiguration that can be addressed several ways [04:01] if you want it to load from the USB then it should be in the advanced settings [04:02] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows is an easy way [04:02] it should automatically load from hard drive by default [04:02] xubuntu_user: if you want to load "it", being the usb installer? [04:02] bio [04:02] xubuntu_user: what should what? [04:02] no [04:02] the computer [04:02] I turn computer on [04:02] it loads [04:02] no USB stick necessary [04:03] if you did an install, and had a stick in, grub will want that stick around to boot.. im assuming thats what you are talking about [04:03] yes [04:03] but why does it default to that? [04:03] why can't it default to hard drive regardkess [04:04] you can't install ubuntu from the hard drive [04:04] you have to have the CD or USB stick [04:04] xubuntu_user: you are free to look at grub, and/or ubuntu or xubuntu and rewite any of that [04:04] the fact is... you can restore grub, and pretty quick and have what you want [04:04] how do I look at it if it doesn't load? [04:04] I am trying to find how tto do tha [04:04] I have been trying other methods until now [04:04] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows is what i would suggest [04:05] BUT, you might be able to boot the machine, and remove the stick and run 'sudo update-grub' [04:05] that is too confusing [04:05] it has XXX [04:05] what do I put for XXX? [04:05] it? [04:05] the site [04:05] you sent me to a retore stire [04:05] I am tire [04:05] there [04:05] xubuntu_user: im sure you are [04:05] xubuntu_user: you can also just reinstall [04:06] it will do the same if I reinstall [04:06] if you literlaly just installed.. and have no data, just reinstall.. it takes like 8 minutes [04:06] xubuntu_user: just dont put that stick in [04:06] but it will do the same [04:06] xubuntu_user: have only the hard drive in when you install [04:06] how do you reinstall without putting the stick in? [04:06] you need the USB to install it [04:06] or a CD [04:06] xubuntu_user: that is a different issue [04:06] xubuntu_user: im not sure that you have installed it [04:06] lol [04:07] it is installed [04:07] xubuntu_user: burn a cd if its easier [04:07] xubuntu_user: what would i do? [04:07] I don't have cds [04:07] and I don't have a cd player [04:07] i would just reinstall... making sure that grub is going where you want it to go [04:07] xubuntu_user: i routinely install with USB sticks, and grub works fine [04:08] it doesn't ask about grub [04:08] you just telll it to install [04:08] xubuntu_user: im not sure how or why grub is either installed to the usb stick, or miconfigured, or expecting the usb stick [04:08] I only set the time [04:08] keyboard layout [04:08] and space [04:08] then it does everything else [04:08] xubuntu_user: sure.. you can use an alternate iso if you'd like [04:08] it doesn't stout the grubhp to ask me abo [04:08] xubuntu_user: but, i literally do as you do and that is not the outcome [04:08] what does that mean? [04:09] xubuntu_user: is there more than one partition on the usb stick? [04:09] xubuntu_user: you can also just follow the link i gave, and restore grub [04:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [04:10] /dev/sda is likely where you want it to go [04:10] you can look in the terminal by running 'sudo fdisk -l' and see all your partitions [04:10] OR follow "where XXX is the device of your Ubuntu install. (eg: grub-install /dev/sdb). Hint: You can also use /dev/disk/by-label/ if the partition you installed on has a label. You can determine the /dev node for such a device by running" [04:11] xubuntu_user: OR, use any other boot manager [04:11] http://gag.sourceforge.net/ [04:11] I don't understand what that is [04:11] this is too confusing [04:11] I just want to click install and have it install to my hard drive [04:11] xubuntu_user: i would just reinstall [04:11] xubuntu_user: i do [04:11] I can't [04:11] xubuntu_user: it does [04:11] it will do the same thing [04:12] xubuntu_user: im not sure what you are doing incorrectly [04:12] If I reinstall, then in 30 minutes I will have t he same problem [04:12] I have already done it several times [04:12] I put USB stick in [04:12] it asks for time [04:12] time zone [04:12] it asks for keyboard layout [04:12] it asks for available space [04:12] and then it installs [04:12] It doesn't ask me about grub settings [04:12] it doesn;t ask me to load using USB stick or hard drive [04:13] xubuntu_user: i download an iso.. i format the entire drive with gparted to fat32... i use unetbootin to make the stick.. i install answering the questions you typed and it just works [04:13] xubuntu_user: the alternate iso asks.. the line one doesnt [04:13] xubuntu_user: the live one is a bit more automated and usually just works [04:13] xubuntu_user: is there more than one partition on the installer usb stick? [04:14] the partition is on my hard drive [04:14] but it is using all of the hard drive [04:14] xubuntu_user: the usb stick you are using as the installation media [04:14] xubuntu_user: is there more than one partition on it? [04:15] it is just a usb stip [04:15] stick [04:15] 8gb [04:15] xubuntu_user: correct [04:15] xubuntu_user: is there just one partition on it? [04:15] yes [04:15] xubuntu_user: fat32? what did you make the installer with? [04:15] unetbootin? [04:15] it is not letting me unmount the USB stick [04:15] no [04:15] the other one [04:15] xubuntu_user: what is "it" [04:15] the computer [04:15] xubuntu_user: so, you have not installed? [04:16] xubuntu_user: the stick is not working fo the installation? [04:16] installed what? [04:16] installation of what? [04:16] I already told you [04:16] I installed Xubuntu [04:16] xubuntu_user: whatever is on the usb stick.. im assuming xubuntu 12.10? [04:16] but it won't load unless I use a usb stick [04:16] yes [04:16] I already told you a thousand times [04:16] it installed xubuntu [04:16] xubuntu_user: simpler answers please [04:16] but it will not load [04:16] xubuntu_user: relax please [04:17] unless I use a usb stick [04:17] xubuntu_user: i realise you are frustrated.. but we are volunteers [04:17] xubuntu_user: im going to ask you a few questions and i want yes or no.. ok? [04:17] if I could just get it to install to the hard drive then I can do what I need to do on it [04:17] it is wasting my week trying to figure this out [04:17] the programmers of linux can do all the other stuff [04:17] xubuntu_user: and i understand you are frustrated [04:18] but they can;t make it install to hard drive by default? [04:18] I can't believe that [04:18] xubuntu_user: but what you need to understand is, you have a configuration issue [04:18] xubuntu_user: i routinely install from USB in 8 minutes [04:18] and i will show you how... will you answer yes or no? [04:18] xubuntu_user: you need to let go of your frustration now.. i didnt code any of this [04:19] type out the steps [04:19] xubuntu_user: its not tech support.. im not getting paid.. im just a friendly face in a channel trying to help? ok? [04:19] I will try others online [04:19] ok [04:19] xubuntu_user: will you answer yes or no? [04:19] stop with the mumbo jumbo [04:19] yes or no to what? [04:19] xubuntu_user: i assure you this is not mumbo jumbo [04:19] xubuntu_user: i would like to ask you questions.. and you say yes or no... ok? [04:20] to help determine the cause of the issue you are experiencing [04:21] well, i'll start. you downloaded the live xubuntu 12.10 iso, correct? [04:21] you can answer yes or no... [04:21] if your answer is "i dont know", thats fine.. we'll determine what you downloaded [04:24] I got 12.04 to usb [04:25] it shows a grub on this netbook [04:25] xubuntu_user: you downloaded the xubuntu 12.04 live iso? correct? [04:25] but not on the desktop I have problems with [04:25] yes, if that is the one you get for a usb [04:25] usb install [04:26] i followed the directions from the ubuntu site [04:26] just as it is listed [04:26] xubuntu_user: you can install 12.04, 12.10, or any *buntu from USB.. check and see what iso you downloaded [04:27] it'll say in the label... 12.10, or 12.04 [04:27] that is irrelevant info [04:27] I already told you [04:27] I got 12.04 [04:27] the issue at hand is the grub [04:27] and usb stick being needed to load [04:28] xubuntu_user: you actually said "if that is the one you get for a usb", and its not [04:28] ok [04:28] then I didn't get it [04:28] so what? [04:28] the point is I got something [04:28] xubuntu_user: didnt get what? [04:28] or else xubuntu wouldn't have loaded at all [04:28] I already told you [04:28] are you stupid? [04:28] are you a bot? [04:28] is this a robot reply? [04:28] xubuntu_user: im just trying to determine what media you used to install from and what operating system you are using [04:29] or am I communicating with a human? [04:29] that was fast typing [04:29] so I surmise you are not a human on the other end === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === jackson_ is now known as Noskcaj [05:49] xfce 4.10 officially available for 12.04 or only via external PPA's? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [06:29] Patience is a virtue... posses it if you can... [06:44] xubuntu368: ppa [06:45] baizon: thanks... so no plans for backports [06:45] ? [06:45] dont think so [06:46] k [06:55] Is there a way to change my user's real name? When I change it in "Users and Groups" it always reverts back to the original. [06:58] Carlinhos: try with "chfn" [07:00] baizon: sudo chfn -f "First Last" seems to have worked, thanks! [07:01] np [07:14] hi [07:15] anyone can help me. i lose my password on xubuntu [07:17] xubuntu526: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword [07:20] thanks baizon. now i try! [07:20] ok [07:48] it is strange how whole system waits to bring up network interface and meanwhile I can not use text consoles [07:49] I had one install where it waited forever actually [07:49] static ip address can speed things up some [07:55] is there a way to open Xfce Notes with the keyboard? [07:55] Marzathah: you can set a keyboard shortcut for that [07:56] I don't think it comes standard [07:56] dunno how to do it, esp. when once the app is started and it is the panel [07:58] I've never used notes but there's some blogs about it [07:59] Marzathah: this might help - http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-October/029257.html [08:00] I set up static network on a machine upon basic install without GUI. Now when I installed xubuntu-desktop, Network can not be configured in GUI. [08:02] e.g. interface got some 169* adress range from DHCP I don't know where he got it from. [08:02] maybe that't ISP private [08:06] also ifup/ifdown and ifconfig up/down seems that have no effect when changing /etc/network/interfaces manually, until restart ... [08:07] I set up static network on a machine upon basic install without GUI. [08:07] what does that entail? [08:07] you edited /etc/network/interfaces? [08:08] well_laid_lawn, I suppose ubuntu-minimal, it was from alternate 12.04 install with deselected xubuntu-desktop [08:08] yes, I edited it to be able to have network upon install. and added route and resolv.conf [08:08] k [08:09] since dhcp never works upon fresh install.. [08:09] and after adding GUI I have no network with DHCP again [08:09] are those files the same or has something overwritten them ? [08:09] well_laid_lawn, please restate your question [08:10] nikolam: have those network files changed since you installed the gui ? [08:10] I am changing them right now to be able to have a network working [08:11] yes I also changed them upon GUI install to make DHCP work and deselected static setup in interfaces [08:11] is networkmanager running? [08:11] ps aux | grep -i net [08:11] you think that bricked GUI? [08:11] I now already set up static again manually. [08:12] something changed the network settings [08:12] and yes, again no ip interface up on reboot... [08:13] sounds like something to manage the network is started [08:13] well I changed them and it only works when I set up all the bits manually. Remember, NO network working upon minimal install . nicht [08:14]