[00:01] <xnox> thedoctor: jtaylor: the way we deal with flash, is we have a "downloader" package which offers to accept adobe's conditions then downloads tarball and unpacks it.
[00:01] <xnox> thedoctor: jtaylor: nothing is stopping you to write a wrapper script which does $ add-apt-repository http://opera.... and install that.
[00:01] <xnox> package it and upload to ubuntu software centre..... =)
[00:03] <thedoctor> thats a good idea!
[00:03] <thedoctor> now im a little confused with the Ubuntu Pakaging
[00:03] <thedoctor> what makes MOTU different from a regular Ubuntu Software Pakaging
[00:04] <thedoctor> they just manage the universe?
[00:04] <jtaylor> yes
[00:05] <thedoctor> okay...
[00:06] <jtaylor> universe is mostly pure debian imports
[00:06] <jtaylor> motu takes care that the stuff works in ubuntu (to best effort)
[00:06] <jtaylor> the package maintenance is in debian
[00:06] <xnox> thedoctor: you mixing a few concepts here. Ubuntu Software Packaging ~= how to create source & binary packages that will work/be installable on ubuntu.
[00:07] <xnox> thedoctor: the rest are teams that take responsibilities in doing such development work in various ubuntu archives and pockets of which we have many, each serving a different purpose.
[00:07] <xnox> motu is one of those teams / social structure in Ubuntu.
[00:09] <thedoctor> okay yeah
[00:09] <thedoctor> so for instance if i were wanting to contribute to motu
[00:09] <thedoctor> could i just start on their bugs page at launchpad and work at the packages listed?
[00:10] <xnox> if you want to fix bugs in universe packages that's one thing you can do.
[00:10] <xnox> https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[00:10] <xnox> doing merges from debian is also good for universe
[00:10] <jtaylor> doing security uploads for universe is also an important thing
[00:10] <xnox> fixing build failures in universe are also good http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#universe
[00:11] <xnox> adding autopackage testsuites is also great
[00:14] <thedoctor> oh wow this is great! i didnt really know where to start
[00:15] <Laney> not sure about merges as a place to start
[00:16] <thedoctor> Laney: yeah? whys that
[00:16] <cjwatson> I'd tend to disrecommend merges as a place to start - sometimes they're easy, sometimes they're very difficult, hard to predict difficulty level in advance without experience, and in any case it's often just as hard to review somebody else's merges as to do it oneself
[00:16] <cjwatson> Other things are probably more productive
[00:16] <cjwatson> Plus we encourage the last uploader to do their merges, in general, as a point of responsibility
[00:17] <thedoctor> okay ill start with bug page on launchpad then?
[00:17] <cjwatson> And encouraging newcomers to do merges has led to a good deal of friction as people submitted merges for things where they clearly didn't know about quirks of maintenance of the packages in question
[00:17] <cjwatson> It's just a troublesome area
[00:20] <Laney> You'll become aware of some of the things you need to consider when performing merges as you do other things. They're a lot less painful when you have a more holistic view of what's going on, which you get through experience.
[00:20] <Laney> I admit that I did find it a rather tempting list to work through when I was getting started, though
[00:23] <Laney> thedoctor: It would be best to try and find a task based on your personal interests and goals
[00:24] <thedoctor> well honestly I love bug squashing so ill start there
[00:24]  * Laney has made way too much houmous again
[00:24] <thedoctor> thanks for your help!
[00:25]  * xnox thinks Laney should move closer to london and feed me occasionally. i shall promise to be a good cat in return.
[00:25]  * Laney also ate too much while trying to get the mix right and now feels queasy
[00:25] <Laney> xnox: you know, a cat is the thing I want most and am not allowed :(
[00:25] <Laney> sometimes renting sucks
[00:26] <xnox> Laney: live in landlord with existing pets or JFDI, as one of my friends did and kept a rabit in student accomodation with regular checks
[00:26] <Laney> haha
[00:27] <xnox> Laney: also "children before cats & dogs"
[00:27] <Laney> I'll tell my girlfriend
[00:27] <xnox> as my mom says to me. "Cause you need somebody to walk & feed them, then all you have to do is pet them"
[00:28] <Laney> "you know that cat that we want? Well xnox says there's something we have to take care of first ..."
[00:28] <xnox> I'm sure it will be a fun dinner conversation ;-)
[00:29] <Laney> I consider it an incentive to save up for a house deposit
[00:31] <xnox> i'm not saving for a house deposit.... i pay rent in london instead =/
[00:31] <Laney> ha
[00:31] <Laney> the glamorous east midlands calls you
[00:33] <xnox> one day i might move back to cottingham... only if they get virgin cable.
[00:34] <Laney> did I tell you that Rosie comes from very close to Cott?
[00:34] <Laney> infact she went to Cottingham High School
[00:35] <Laney> what's that great shop there? all sorts or something
[00:35] <xnox> yeap, you did. =)))))
[00:37] <Laney> good old east riding
[00:40] <xnox> me is confused why right move is showing me 2M houses.
[00:41] <xnox> two bed houses for 40k
[00:41] <xnox> not bed.
[00:41] <xnox> not bad.
[00:42] <Laney> /not/ bad?!
[00:43] <xnox> as in cheap, the property it self is soso.
[00:43] <xnox> this one is nicer - 65k. http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-35965141.html?backListLink=%2Fproperty-for-sale%2Fmap.html%3FlocationIdentifier%3DOUTCODE%255E1126%26sortByPriceDescending%3Dfalse%26radius%3D1.0%23_includeSSTC%3Don%26auction%3Dfalse%26locationIdentifier%3DOUTCODE%255E1126%26maxPrice%3D70000%26previousSearchLocation%3DHU16%26radius%3D1.0%26searchLocation%3DHU16%26searchType%3DSALE%26sortByPriceDescending%3Dfalse%26useLocat
[00:43] <xnox> ionIdentifier%3Dfalse%26box%3D-0.41130%2C-0.35328%2C53.76414%2C53.80242%26popupPropertyId%3D35965141%26mapType%3DMap&fromMap=true
[00:44] <xnox> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-35965141.html
[00:44] <xnox> nicer link ^
[00:44] <Laney> huh, that's not bad
[00:45] <xnox> and I know the area. It's very good and convenient. You'd still want a car but there are pleanty of medium size saintsburys and stuff around.
[00:46] <Laney> I put my home postcode in and the first page is all properties > £1m
[00:46] <xnox> "click sort by cheapest first"
[00:46]  * xnox thinks it does > 1m for any post-code by default.
[00:47] <xnox> also limit top price by something reasonable e.g. 300k and then options are at least tiny bit realistic.
[00:47] <Laney> I put Alconbury in instead - bit more reasonable
[00:47] <xnox> ack.
[00:47] <xnox> I think if you are happy to move, there are plenty of corners in britain with good transport, nice area and cheap.
[00:48] <Laney> not that I'd move back home
[00:49] <xnox> I was thinking to put my stuff in storage & rent a place in Malta for next summer.
[00:50] <xnox> + invite people over.
[00:50] <xnox> hacking sprints on the beach?! =)
[00:52]  * Laney packs his shorts
[00:52] <xnox> my other plan is to move to SF
[00:53] <xnox> you can see how I am undecided.
[00:53] <Laney> so London, Hull, Malta, or San Francisco ...
[04:17] <ScottK> xnox: Before you move to Malta ask Riddell what happens when you work for Canonical and think you can just move to a small island somewhere.
[04:18]  * ScottK is actually in San Francisco right now.
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Hi I am going to do the packaging for Bug 1077354
[16:39] <micahg> Logan_: is there any specific reason you filed Bug #1077575 ?  those types of removals are semi-automatic when there's no diff
[16:54] <Logan_> micahg: Hmm, alright - I'm just surprised the removal from Ubuntu hasn't been done already, since it was removed from Debian back in February 2012.
[16:55] <micahg> Logan_: orly? yeah, that might be a problem then
[16:55]  * micahg takes another look
[16:56] <micahg> Logan_: ok, I'll add it to the archive admin queue then, thanks
[16:56] <Logan_> Alright, np.
[17:57] <cjwatson> Logan_: usually if it hasn't been done yet it's because there were rdeps at the time.  in such cases, yes, fine to raise explicitly.
[17:59] <Logan_> cjwatson: Alright, cool.
[18:09] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[21:11] <ESphynx> Hey guys, my ecere-sdk package won't install on a 64 bit Quantal... I've already produced a new package to address that issue and uploaded it to mentors.debian.net... Should I file an Ubuntu bug as well?
[21:29] <iulian> If it doesn't install on Debian either, then it'd be good to get it in Debian first and then sync it from there.
[21:35] <tumbleweed> if you want to SRU it to quantal, you'll need an Ubuntu bug
[21:36] <tumbleweed> of course, it has to be fixed in raring first, so yes, do tha tthrough debian
[21:36] <ESphynx> tumbleweed: yes it has to be fixed in raring as well, and I'm hoping for a Quantal SRU, and hopefully it will be synced from Debian, but was just wondering whether I should file a bug already or wait until it's in Debian =)
[21:38] <tumbleweed> the ordering is unimportant
[21:39] <ESphynx> Just thought it may help getting things moving :P
[21:39] <tumbleweed> but if you file the bug before you upload to Debian, you can reference the bug in the changelog, so that's what I'd do
[21:39] <tumbleweed> filing a bug won't make anything happen any faster
[21:40] <ESphynx> well the package is waiting @ mentors.debian.net/package/ecere-sdk , I can't upload to Debian since i'm not a DD :P
[21:41] <tumbleweed> have you asked your previous sponsor?
[21:41] <ESphynx> xnox was busy this week :P
[21:41] <ESphynx> He said maybe someone else might upload it before he does =)
[21:42] <ESphynx> was just wondering whether having a bug for something that was broken in Ubuntu was the way to go :)
[21:43] <tumbleweed> as I said, you'll need it at some point, so now is as good a time to file it, as any
[21:44] <ESphynx> allright =)
[21:44] <ESphynx> thanks
[22:18] <xnox> busy & tired, first week back from uds. Now i am also shattered after winning at volleyball 3-0.
[22:18] <xnox> =)
[23:23] <ESphynx> xnox Oh nice :) congrats!!
[23:23] <ESphynx> i've been making wine myself: http://ecere.com/tmp/labelv5.png