[08:29] anyone know how I can setup my server to allow 'sudo service php5-fpm restart' without the sudo? [08:29] Would like to do it with auto deploys etc. [08:59] dogmatic69: deploy packages, the init scripts run as root and can do this :) [09:00] reprepro + puppet FTW [09:39] MartijnVdS: deploy packeges? [09:39] is that an app? [10:34] good morning everyone. [10:49] hiya brobostigon et al [10:50] hi dwatkins [10:51] * dwatkins is currently considering buying a disk drive to use as a cold spare for his main machine [13:06] dogmatic69: no, I mean, package up the software into a deb and deploy that [13:10] dogmatic69, do you *mean* "without sudo", or "without password"? [13:10] both have security implementations. "without sudo" is worse IMHO [13:27] afternoon all [13:27] ello [13:34] hi [14:15] Hi kids :) [15:45] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:45] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:46] fag:) [15:46] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:46] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:46] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:48] oh it's him again [15:49] him? [15:49] SATAN? [15:50] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:50] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:50] I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE. [15:52] ubuntu stinks. No wonder only nerds with greasy hair use it. [15:54] mrmist-: please stop [15:55] czajkowski [15:55] why are you being so offended? [15:56] Ubuntu is shite, admit it. Ask anyone, they will tell you the same thing, it is bloated and it is not good for any user with average PC. [15:56] fags. [15:56] * dwatkins yawns [15:56] Is it christmas already? [16:00] no [16:03] just wondering, as some 10 year-old appears to have received a new computer (see childish spam above) [16:03] ah [16:19] sigh - my dads machine kernel panics on Quantal if we plug it through a KVM [16:19] he really should take a job as a tester [16:30] pondering re BBC's next Newsnight broadcast... claim Wimdoze is a good OS!!?? :D [16:35] lol [16:43] SuperEngineer: I'm still waiting for the conspiracy nuts story of the FBI causing Sandy [16:44] * AlanBell is in trouble [16:45] ? [16:45] impractical geeky bagel slicing [16:45] if they are going to puchase food that is a torus, then it is going to get cut in a geometrically interesting way [16:46] AlanBell: But if you cut it into a mobius strip which side do you put the butter on? [16:46] if you do a double twist you get two interlocking rings [16:47] which is cool and all [16:47] "can I have mine toasted?" becomes a bit of an issue though [16:47] yeh [16:48] AlanBell: I think my twittwr reply might saqy what you suspect all along ;) [16:48] re: sandy, i already read a web comment somewhere saying Obama did it using HAARP [16:48] *say [16:48] ali1234: HAARP? [16:49] SuperEngineer: yeah, whole family thinks I am odd [16:49] yes, it's what the tinfoil hat brigade think is the US government earthquake and hurricane control machine [16:49] really it's just a super long wave radio experiment [16:49] penguin42: but, surely that *was* caused by their own wind machine [16:49] * SuperEngineer starts rumour on behalf of... [16:50] AlanBell: ;) [16:53] penguin42: HAARP... see MUSE [16:54] AlanBell, Photos of bagel cutting pls [16:54] I want to do same [16:54] SuperEngineer: Hmm nice picture of it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program [16:54] warning, may cause arguments [16:55] http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/11/08/164682556/mathematically-challenging-bagels [16:55] penguin42: yeh... I know [16:55] AlanBell: that picture looks familiar to meL [16:56] http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/166813/motion-on-a-parametric-surface [16:56] ali1234: oh yes your racing game :) [16:57] also, if you stick a skewer down a baguette and cut around it you can make one big helix [16:57] and also get shouted at [16:57] * SuperEngineer listens to "Random Rhymes and Rambles" [17:02] [& it is intresting to hear what was said when the stream kept dropping ;) ] [17:03] if you slice the bagel with a half twist you get a mobius [17:03] well, if you go around twice with half twist each time [17:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Vuh16r8o8 only once, but with a half twist, but you can't get the thing apart like that [17:05] * SuperEngineer does a vitual hum of "let's twist again" to ali1234 [17:06] AlanBell: yes, that's assuming that only the crust represents "surface" [17:07] if instead of cutting it you squashed it down to zero thickness along the cut, you would get a mobius [17:07] ah right, yes, you have to go round twice if you only put the knife halfway through as you cut it :) [17:07] hmm, not what i meant [17:07] you only go around once like the video [17:08] yeah, but the knife is going all the way through, so cutting the surface at two points as it goes [17:08] ah yeah [17:08] i see what you mean [17:09] yes, if you went in half way you'd go around twice with a single cut and meet back at the start [17:09] ie like drawing a line all the way around a mobius strip - you go around twice and meet at the start [17:13] * SuperEngineer nominates #ununtu-uk fotr the Freat British Bake-Off [17:13] *Great [17:16] SuperEngineer: I wasn't sure whether you meant Great or Freak with that word mangling :) [17:17] DJones: probably... both! [17:20] * penguin42 wonders if anyone has trained a robot/laser cutter to do that to a bagel [17:23] penguin42: I suggest a ctter [Red dwarf] might have that skill as standard [17:23] Scutter [17:24] Skutters according to wikipedia [17:25] * SuperEngineer curses these speed keyboarding lessons - they don't work! [17:26] [time to go back to looking at screen when pumping keys!] [17:27] wibble... [17:28] [podcast reference there] [17:28] SuperEngineer: Perhaps you need a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Keyboard [17:29] penguin42: ;) [17:56] Nein Das Keyboard! [17:56] HHKB Pro ftw :) [17:56] * penguin42 prefers a Model M [17:57] * hcfd looks at his M gathering dust [17:58] hcfd: If you don't want it you should be able to get 30 or more for it [18:00] Definitely. Still, the time and effort required to list on eBay, package it up, post it.. I dunno, I never get around to it! [18:01] HHKB wins on Ctrl key placement, feel, size, overall layout. Most of all, the portability means I can move from machine to machine and always have a HHKB to type on :) [18:02] Also, an M doesn't have a Windows/Mac/Super key. [18:30] indeed it doesn't have a w/m/s key - but I don't use them [18:36] has anyone ever tried getting PCs to switch on automatically using their inbuilt clock; I want something to take a pic every 30 mins [18:40] Don't know how doable that is (it may be! I just don't know), but alternative technique: use a second machine and wake-on-LAN? [18:42] my old computer's BIOS could wake itself up, but it was limited to only 1 time. [18:43] Darael: I want to put a laptop to do this unconnected to anything [18:43] YaManicKill: Well I was assuming that when it woke up I could set another timeout [18:43] hmmm yeah, but this is using the BIOS...so not configurable from the OS is it? [18:44] hmm - looks like the nvram-wakeup package should be able to do it [18:45] Excellent. [18:45] * penguin42 suspects there is a lot of system dependent magic [18:46] YaManicKill: BIOS things are occasionally reachable from the OS, but it usually requires some Windows-only utility. I've seen it particularly on Foxconn+Nvidia desktop mobos. [18:46] interesting, good one to add to the list of "Thing that will be eventually useful but I don't know what for yet" [18:46] Darael: Don't forget this stuff is a decades old feature [18:47] penguin42, it's called "wake on RTC" and i know MythTV integrates it into its scheduler [18:48] directhex: Interesting - I really want it here for some camera monitoring (of a boiler!) [18:48] penguin42: Wake-on-internal-clock is, yes. The utility seemed to have /all/ the BIOS settings in it, though. Some things weren't alterable online (like bus clock speeds), presumably for safety reasons, but a remarkable amount was. [18:49] Darael: Nice [19:32] Darael: Does seem to depend on being able to find the settings for the particular motherboard/bios [19:41] ooh - kernel facility, no need to use nvram-wake [19:41] Ooh, /excellent/. [19:43] sets an alarm and waits [19:43] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup#Using_.2Fsys.2Fclass.2Frtc.2Frtc0.2Fwakealarm [19:45] place your bets now, it should come back in 2 mins [19:47] blimey - it has done [19:48] Very good. Very good indeed. [19:48] I shall remember that one. I'm sure it'll come in useful at some point. === Hornet- is now known as Hornet