[08:29] <dogmatic69> anyone know how I can setup my server to allow 'sudo service php5-fpm restart' without the sudo?
[08:29] <dogmatic69> Would like to do it with auto deploys etc.
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: deploy packages, the init scripts run as root and can do this :)
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> reprepro + puppet FTW
[09:39] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: deploy packeges?
[09:39] <dogmatic69> is that an app?
[10:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:49] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon et al
[10:50] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[10:51]  * dwatkins is currently considering buying a disk drive to use as a cold spare for his main machine
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: no, I mean, package up the software into a deb and deploy that
[13:10] <directhex> dogmatic69, do you *mean* "without sudo", or "without password"?
[13:10] <directhex> both have security implementations. "without sudo" is worse IMHO
[13:27] <popey> afternoon all
[13:27] <czajkowski> ello
[13:34] <AlanBell> hi
[14:15] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[15:45] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:45] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:46] <mrmist-> fag:)
[15:46] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:46] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:46] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:48] <penguin42> oh it's him again
[15:49] <mrmist-> him?
[15:49] <mrmist-> SATAN?
[15:50] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:50] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:50] <mrmist-> I SMELL BLOATWARE IN HERE.
[15:52] <mrmist-> ubuntu stinks. No wonder only nerds with greasy hair use it.
[15:54] <czajkowski> mrmist-: please stop
[15:55] <mrmist-> czajkowski
[15:55] <mrmist-> why are you being so offended?
[15:56] <mrmist-> Ubuntu is shite, admit it. Ask anyone, they will tell you the same thing, it is bloated and it is not good for any user with average PC.
[15:56] <mrmist-> fags.
[15:56]  * dwatkins yawns
[15:56] <dwatkins> Is it christmas already?
[16:00] <penguin42> no
[16:03] <dwatkins> just wondering, as some 10 year-old appears to have received a new computer (see childish spam above)
[16:03] <penguin42> ah
[16:19] <penguin42> sigh - my dads machine kernel panics on Quantal if we plug it through a KVM
[16:19] <penguin42> he really should take a job as a tester
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> pondering re BBC's next Newsnight broadcast... claim Wimdoze is a good OS!!??  :D
[16:35] <zleap> lol
[16:43] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I'm still waiting for the conspiracy nuts story of the FBI causing Sandy
[16:44]  * AlanBell is in trouble
[16:45] <penguin42> ?
[16:45] <AlanBell> impractical geeky bagel slicing
[16:45] <AlanBell> if they are going to puchase food that is a torus, then it is going to get cut in a geometrically interesting way
[16:46] <penguin42> AlanBell: But if you cut it into a mobius strip which side do you put the butter on?
[16:46] <AlanBell> if you do a double twist you get two interlocking rings
[16:47] <AlanBell> which is cool and all
[16:47] <AlanBell> "can I have mine toasted?" becomes a bit of an issue though
[16:47] <penguin42> yeh
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: I think my twittwr reply might saqy what you suspect all along ;)
[16:48] <ali1234> re: sandy, i already read a web comment somewhere saying Obama did it using HAARP
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> *say
[16:48] <penguin42> ali1234: HAARP?
[16:49] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: yeah, whole family thinks I am odd
[16:49] <ali1234> yes, it's what the tinfoil hat brigade think is the US government earthquake and hurricane control machine
[16:49] <ali1234> really it's just a super long wave radio experiment
[16:49] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: but, surely that *was* caused by their own wind machine
[16:49]  * SuperEngineer starts rumour on behalf of...
[16:50] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell:  ;)
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: HAARP... see MUSE
[16:54] <popey> AlanBell, Photos of bagel cutting pls
[16:54] <popey> I want to do same
[16:54] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Hmm nice picture of it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
[16:54] <AlanBell> warning, may cause arguments
[16:55] <AlanBell> http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/11/08/164682556/mathematically-challenging-bagels
[16:55] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: yeh... I know
[16:55] <ali1234> AlanBell: that picture looks familiar to meL
[16:56] <ali1234> http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/166813/motion-on-a-parametric-surface
[16:56] <AlanBell> ali1234: oh yes your racing game :)
[16:57] <AlanBell> also, if you stick a skewer down a baguette and cut around it you can make one big helix
[16:57] <AlanBell> and also get shouted at
[16:57]  * SuperEngineer listens to "Random Rhymes and Rambles"
[17:02] <SuperEngineer> [& it is intresting to hear what was said when the stream kept dropping ;) ]
[17:03] <ali1234> if you slice the bagel with a half twist you get a mobius
[17:03] <ali1234> well, if you go around twice with half twist each time
[17:05] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Vuh16r8o8 only once, but with a half twist, but you can't get the thing apart like that
[17:05]  * SuperEngineer does a vitual hum of "let's twist again" to ali1234 
[17:06] <ali1234> AlanBell: yes, that's assuming that only the crust represents "surface"
[17:07] <ali1234> if instead of cutting it you squashed it down to zero thickness along the cut, you would get a mobius
[17:07] <AlanBell> ah right, yes, you have to go round twice if you only put the knife halfway through as you cut it :)
[17:07] <ali1234> hmm, not what i meant
[17:07] <ali1234> you only go around once like the video
[17:08] <AlanBell> yeah, but the knife is going all the way through, so cutting the surface at two points as it goes
[17:08] <ali1234> ah yeah
[17:08] <ali1234> i see what you mean
[17:09] <ali1234> yes, if you went in half way you'd go around twice with a single cut and meet back at the start
[17:09] <ali1234> ie like drawing a line all the way around a mobius strip - you go around twice and meet at the start
[17:13]  * SuperEngineer nominates #ununtu-uk fotr the Freat British Bake-Off
[17:13] <SuperEngineer> *Great
[17:16] <DJones> SuperEngineer: I wasn't sure whether you meant Great or Freak with that word mangling :)
[17:17] <SuperEngineer> DJones: probably... both!
[17:20]  * penguin42 wonders if anyone has trained a robot/laser cutter to do that to a bagel
[17:23] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I suggest a ctter [Red dwarf] might have that skill as standard
[17:23] <SuperEngineer> Scutter
[17:24] <penguin42> Skutters according to wikipedia
[17:25]  * SuperEngineer curses these speed keyboarding lessons - they don't work!
[17:26] <SuperEngineer> [time to go back to looking at screen when pumping keys!]
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> wibble...
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> [podcast reference there]
[17:28] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Perhaps you need a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Keyboard
[17:29] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: ;)
[17:56] <hcfd> Nein Das Keyboard!
[17:56] <hcfd> HHKB Pro ftw :)
[17:56]  * penguin42 prefers a Model M
[17:57]  * hcfd looks at his M gathering dust
[17:58] <penguin42> hcfd: If you don't want it you should be able to get 30 or more for it
[18:00] <hcfd> Definitely.  Still, the time and effort required to list on eBay, package it up, post it.. I dunno, I never get around to it!
[18:01] <hcfd> HHKB wins on Ctrl key placement, feel, size, overall layout. Most of all, the portability means I can move from machine to machine and always have a HHKB to type on :)
[18:02] <hcfd> Also, an M doesn't have a Windows/Mac/Super key.
[18:30] <penguin42> indeed it doesn't have a w/m/s key - but I don't use them
[18:36] <penguin42> has anyone ever tried getting PCs to switch on automatically using their inbuilt clock; I want something to take a pic every 30 mins
[18:40] <Darael> Don't know how doable that is (it may be!  I just don't know), but alternative technique: use a second machine and wake-on-LAN?
[18:42] <YaManicKill> my old computer's BIOS could wake itself up, but it was limited to only 1 time.
[18:43] <penguin42> Darael: I want to put a laptop to do this unconnected to anything
[18:43] <penguin42> YaManicKill: Well I was assuming that when it woke up I could set another timeout
[18:43] <YaManicKill> hmmm yeah, but this is using the BIOS...so not configurable from the OS is it?
[18:44] <penguin42> hmm - looks like the nvram-wakeup package should be able to do it
[18:45] <Darael> Excellent.
[18:45]  * penguin42 suspects there is a lot of system dependent magic
[18:46] <Darael> YaManicKill: BIOS things are occasionally reachable from the OS, but it usually requires some Windows-only utility.  I've seen it particularly on Foxconn+Nvidia desktop mobos.
[18:46] <YaManicKill> interesting, good one to add to the list of "Thing that will be eventually useful but I don't know what for yet"
[18:46] <penguin42> Darael: Don't forget this stuff is a decades old feature
[18:47] <directhex> penguin42, it's called "wake on RTC" and i know MythTV integrates it into its scheduler
[18:48] <penguin42> directhex: Interesting - I really want it here for some camera monitoring (of a boiler!)
[18:48] <Darael> penguin42: Wake-on-internal-clock is, yes.  The utility seemed to have /all/ the BIOS settings in it, though.  Some things weren't alterable online (like bus clock speeds), presumably for safety reasons, but a remarkable amount was.
[18:49] <penguin42> Darael: Nice
[19:32] <penguin42> Darael: Does seem to depend on being able to find the settings for the particular motherboard/bios
[19:41] <penguin42> ooh - kernel facility, no need to use nvram-wake
[19:41] <Darael> Ooh, /excellent/.
[19:43] <penguin42> sets an alarm and waits
[19:43] <penguin42> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup#Using_.2Fsys.2Fclass.2Frtc.2Frtc0.2Fwakealarm
[19:45] <penguin42> place your bets now, it should come back in 2 mins
[19:47] <penguin42> blimey - it has done
[19:48] <Darael> Very good.  Very good indeed.
[19:48] <Darael> I shall remember that one.  I'm sure it'll come in useful at some point.