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arcturusAny issues installing ATI drivers (legacy) for an ATI HD4870 with this distro?00:07
xixornot sure.  I sold my 4870, and 4870x2 years ago00:12
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arcturuswhat version of xorg does the latest kubuntu have?00:16
douglI am having font issues with my kde installed with kubuntu 12.10 - the font size when I 'kdesu systemsetting' is so small it is unreadable and not sure if it is related but I get a message when I launch apps from cli 'Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.' Anyone have any suggestions?00:18
SIR_Taco__arcturus: 2xxx, 3xxx and 4xxx were dropped from the current proprietary driver (frglx), haven't tried the legacy drivers. Everything I see says that the legacy drivers do work though00:18
douglmy kmail and kate applications display normal sized fonts but when I print the font is huge on the printout00:18
SIR_Taco__*fglrx00:19
SIR_Taco__arcturus: 1.1300:20
SIR_Taco__dougl: doesn't really seem to help since it's unresolved, but: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo-kde4/+bug/63250300:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 632503 in kdesudo-kde4 (Ubuntu) "Font customizations are not visible when using kdesudo" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:23
douglSIR_Taco__, maybe will cure my curiosity - thanks00:24
SIR_Taco__dougl: wonder what would happen if you moved the ~/.fonts.conf temporarily to see what happens?00:25
douglno effect00:25
SIR_Taco__dougl: mine aren't super small, but it is definitely a different font settings between the two00:28
SIR_Taco__dougl: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/archive/index.php/t-56517.html  possibly try following the option in the 3rd comment00:31
douglSIR_Taco__, thanks00:36
Scunizirobtygart: sorry.. i've been going through 5k of photos looking for ones of my son.. I will be upgrading soon. This is my production machine and I do work with it all the time.  Typically to upgrade I have to reinstall root leaving my /home on another partition. Then install all the stuff I typically have. It's a pain.00:53
robtygartScunizi: Sounds fun!00:54
robtygartI am in no hurry to upgrade again.00:57
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XiaYixuanhi01:00
XiaYixuanI am very sad01:00
XiaYixuanI can't seem to be playing any video with Chinese subtitles01:01
XiaYixuanDragon Player: fail. xine: fail01:01
XiaYixuanit's a double fail!01:01
XiaYixuanhttp://www.obicn.com/Operating-Systems/Make-xine-play-movie-with-Chinese-subtitle.htm01:03
XiaYixuanI found this, but it's no help01:03
XiaYixuanit's written for advanced users ._.01:03
MySystemhello i search a calculator with many funktions and history/chronic01:20
MySystemdoes anybody know a good one01:20
Obsidian1723did you check google?01:21
MySystemdont know how the list of executed caslculations is called01:22
Obsidian1723search in the software center or on google.01:22
MySystemfor which word calculator and how is this list called01:23
Obsidian1723Sorry, I can't tell you how to use google.01:24
zacariasHi. Is there a way to search for files by date created or modified (instead of just by name or content)? Using Dolphin or another tool?01:24
MySystemthe prob is not google the prob is the translation01:24
MySystemand google doesnt tell me how usefull the calculator is so i asked here to get sugestions01:25
MySystemzacarias the only iidea with dolphin i have is a search in the folder and sub for * and then sort the detail list by date01:29
XiaYixuanhi01:30
XiaYixuanObsidian1723, can you tell me how to parse the text once I found the answer through google?01:30
zacariasMySystem: yes, but with that you still have to enter the name first, and you can't list all your files created on a certain date, for instance01:34
MySystemas name use wildcard * but yes it lists all files and you have to go to the position of the date you search in list01:38
MySystemwith gui i sadly dont know any other option01:40
zacariasMySystem: I don't even see a column with date after the search (just "name" and "location"). And with CLI, how can I do that?01:42
OerHekssearch last modified on Cli >  find -type f -exec stat -c "%y %n" {} + | sort -r | head01:44
MySystemthx oerheks your way looks much better01:46
OerHeksfound @ http://askubuntu.com/questions/61179/find-the-latest-file-by-modified-date01:46
OerHeksAlso Dolphin should be able too, but i cannot find a howto.01:46
MySystemzacarias found a gui app sudo apt-get install kfind01:51
zacariasThanks!01:52
JuJuBeeI created a program shortcut (launcher?) in my K-menu but the icon won't stick.01:52
siloucki cant start apps from dolphin root, can anyone confirm?01:53
MySystemjujubee dont get the meening of stick01:56
MySystemsry translation my english is not the best01:56
zacariasMySystem: Thanks01:57
MySystemnp01:58
JuJuBeeMySystem: When I add the icon either in the .desktop file or by right clicking on the k-menu and adding an item, the icon does not show only the text of the launcher01:58
MySystemjujubee this case i don't know but is the icon in one of the listet formats (*.png *.xpm *.svg *.svgz)02:01
MySystemjujubee the only other idea i have is the user/group which access the file dont have read access but this isnt much possible i think02:03
robtygartJuJuBee: it might be your icons. Try using a different Icon set (Thats if you changed it in the first place)02:06
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JuJuBeeMySystem: the rights on icons are rwxr-xr-x and they are .png files.02:07
MySystemjujubee then i sadly have no idea but if it is a system icon which is managed trhough icon packages then robtygart's idea sounds good02:08
govcheesesup02:09
JuJuBeeIf I use a system icon it stays.  Seems if I copyt the icon to my home dir, it works fine.  Strange...02:11
MySystemtell meif you figured out why jujubee sounds also strange to me02:17
XiaYixuansee ya02:18
* jedihawk still has no life.03:29
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DarthFrogjedihawk: I hear you can download one from the net.05:34
jedihawkooo! perhaps you can give me mystical, magical URL?05:34
DarthFrogI haven't found it yet, sorry.  But it's rumoured to really exist. :-)05:35
OerHeksi cleared the log, what are you looking for, jedihawk ?05:37
jedihawka life.  actually, I'm not really looking.  I'm quite happy here in linuxland.  :-)05:39
OerHeksah, still looking for a deb :-D05:40
DarthFrogLife is what happens when you're busy making other plans.05:40
OerHeksi guess, build it yourself05:40
jedihawklife is for people who can't handle Skyrim.05:46
jedihawkin fact, my Skyrim life is much more interesting.05:46
jedihawkyou may even want to date my Avatar.05:46
jedihawk(she's hotter than reality by far)05:46
DarthFrogjedihawk:  You're right.  You don't have a life.05:46
jedihawk:-D05:46
OerHeksoke how about 21-12-2012 ? oh, this is offtopic05:47
AKnotIS there a channel for adobe flash? I want to change its fonts07:31
tsimpsonAKnot: no07:32
tsimpsonbut perhaps one of the people in #ubuntu know, worth a shot asking07:33
AKnotill try07:33
AKnotI moved files from other hdd to main one. Now its "indexing" them. What does it mean?07:58
OerHeksindexing is making a DB with keywords to make searching faster, like Zeitgeist or in Kubuntu Nepomuk08:00
AKnotDB?08:24
OerHeksDB - database08:26
AKnotokt thanks08:37
AKnotOerHeks: i suspended one index before, can i do it again or is it no big deal?08:57
OerHeksAKnot, it is no big deal, you can start it again by opening nepomuk service09:03
AKnotok09:04
Prometheshow to set up kate as a default editor for all text files?09:32
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joedjhey folks, a friend just did some apt updates, and can no longer use X. i'm trying to help him out10:31
joedjkdm comes up with the login screen. when logging in, the login screen disappears and he's left with a background image and a mouse cursor, but no further activity. this also happens with a new user10:31
Odd-rationalejoedj: Is he on 12.10?10:32
joedjthere are some errors about "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave." in ~/.xsession-errors10:33
joedjOdd-rationale: 12.04 LTS10:33
joedji installed twm and tried choosing that in kdm, same result10:34
Odd-rationaleCan you login into a VT?10:34
joedjyeah10:35
Odd-rationaleWhat happens when you run startx?10:35
joedjblack screen10:35
joedjno mouse cursor10:35
Odd-rationaleAny messages when you switch back to the VT?10:35
joedj(actually, it flashes the nvidia splash screen before the black one)10:36
joedjback on the VT there's "FATAL: Module off not found" as the last line10:36
joedjif i remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf that FATAL line goes away, still get the nvidia logo then black screen10:37
joedjthere's an x-window-manager process running10:38
Odd-rationaleDo you know whether the kernel got upgraded during that upgrade?10:39
joedjhe thinks it may have10:39
joedjwe have uninstalled and reinstalled "nvidia-current", and rebooted10:39
Odd-rationaleYou can check `less /var/log/apt/history.log`10:39
joedjyeah, looks like it10:41
joedjlinux-image-3.2.0-32-generic:amd6410:41
Odd-rationaleHave you tried with the Nouveau drivers just to see if it works?10:42
joedji don't think so10:43
joedjhow does one install that?10:43
Odd-rationaletry: rmmod nvidia10:44
Odd-rationalethen: modprobe nouveau10:44
joedjthat gives FATA:L Module off not found10:45
joedj(my typo..)10:45
Odd-rationaleis xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed?10:46
joedjyep10:46
joedji can try reinstalling it10:46
joedjdidn't help10:47
Odd-rationalejoedj: Googled around a little bit. This guy suggests uninstalling nouveau and installing updated nvidia drives from a PPA: https://www.benjaminwiedmann.net/fix-nouveau-driver-issues-on-ubuntu-12-04-install-nvidia-drivers.html10:47
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joedjOdd-rationale: oh, twm _was_ working, it just had no eyecandy so i didn't realize. with twm i have a right-click menu11:30
joedjOdd-rationale: i think the issue is with KDE / the window manager, not the driver11:35
navlelo_joedj: I had an issue with corrupt configuration files in an earlier version of kubuntu which resulted in similar behaviour... you could try to backup the .kde folder, rename it, and let kde regenerate the configuration files11:40
navlelo_not sure if this is your problem tho, but it might be worth a shot11:40
joedjnavlelo_: i'll give it a shot, though i created a new user which i thought would have ruled that sort of thing out11:41
joedjnavlelo_: yeah, that didn't seem to help (rm -rf ~/.kde /var/tmp/kdecache*)  :(11:50
navlelo_joedj: too bad :(11:51
navlelo_i have no idea then :\11:51
wshmm... what would be an advised partitioning scheme for a notebook (1tb hdd)?  I plan to keep several (a few millions) of small files on home partition11:52
ws(either home or a separate partition)11:52
wsis there a benefit for keeping a separate / partition in this case?  (would a huge number of small files lead to faster fragmentation of hdd?)11:54
wsalso, should I consider MurderYourWifeFS instead of ext3 for this?11:55
wserr... I meant, RazerFS11:55
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joedjscrew it, installed xfce4, at least he can use that for now =P11:59
BluesKajHey all12:02
mydogsnameisrudymorning BluesKaj12:03
BluesKaj'morning mydogsnameisrudy ..how's it going ?12:04
mydogsnameisrudyto warm ;)12:04
mydogsnameisrudyhad the window open all night12:05
BluesKajraining and 10C/50F here12:05
mydogsnameisrudyya about that here just no rain right now12:05
BluesKajgood , then it will end here soon then12:06
BluesKajoops more coffee needed , repeating myself12:07
SmurphyWeird. Amarok has a weird behavior since latest updates -> 4.9.3 applied ... Hickups, stop playing a sing totally, and crashes ... *hmmm*12:08
BluesKajSmurphy, yeah amarok has been sfflicted with a bug of some sort12:09
BluesKajafflicted12:09
Smurphythink so... s*cks ...12:10
BluesKajSmurphy, seen a few reports about it in the last few days ..dunno if a bug has been filed tho12:11
Smurphycan't reproduce it... Just happens.12:13
BluesKajsome error about wrong codecs then it doesn't shutdown when X'd keeps on playing without the icon in the panel etc12:14
Smurphynah. Here - it just stops playing alltogether.12:19
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SmurphyBTW - I realize I need to convert all AAC files I still have from apple to mp3 ... Anyone knows a nice tool to do that under kubuntu ? Command line will do.12:19
BluesKajI've been using clementine , seems much easier to use , less clunky12:20
tsimpsonffmpeg is always good for converting12:20
BluesKajwon't any open source players play AAC ? why the need to convert12:21
tsimpsondepends on what kind of AAC is it, some are basically MP4, others are some DRM thing12:21
BluesKajsoundkonverter works well for other conversions , never tried AAC tho12:22
BluesKajtsimpson, what about batch conversion with ffmpeg ?12:24
tsimpsonit does batch too12:25
tsimpsonas well as being command-line, so you can just write a script or bash for-loop12:25
Smurphyyeah - had written a script long time ago to convert some stuff from youtube to mp4 using ffmpeg.12:26
andrey_test12:30
gvandeweyerhi, is it possible (yet?) to change the opacity of windows by <modifier>+scrollwheel in kubuntu 12.04 using kwin?12:45
gvandeweyeror is it still needed to install compiz for that?12:45
gvandeweyeris <modifier>+scrollwheel to change window-opacity available in pure kwin ?12:58
Peace-gvandeweyer: ask #kde13:02
gvandeweyerPeace-: I'll do13:06
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Graf_WesterholtWhy does Amarok needs 0,5GB RAM? When I start Amarok, Linux starts swaping for almost five minutes!13:46
Obsidian1723Graf_Westerholt: No idea why it does that. I switched to Banshee awhile ago. Less problems.14:06
derronI love kubuntu even more than the  gnome version..  but my kubuntu freezes occasionally..  I have an Acer Aspire notebook14:09
derronany idea?14:09
Graf_Westerholtderron, same problem here, but no fix.14:10
Graf_WesterholtObsidian1723, thx, maybe I'll try it.14:10
Obsidian1723derron: You could always check the log files, see what's going on with it...\14:11
derronwhere can i find them? thanks14:11
Obsidian1723Graf_Westerholt: Yeah, I'm a bad user. I just don't care anymore. Unless it's ap rogram that I NEED and ONLY that program will suffice, fine... I'll do a bug report or look into it extensively, but if it's something like an audio player? I'll do a few things to see if I can correct it, but I'm not going to sit there and muddle through it for days, weeks, months... I'll just replace it. I'm not a programmer, developer, debugger, etc.14:12
Obsidian1723derron: In /var/log14:13
Obsidian1723derron: what version of KDE do you have?14:13
derronumm not sure.  im kinda still new to linux.. i have been using it alot but just web browsing and the basic stuff14:14
Obsidian1723gotcha. ok, open up the file manager (Dolphin) under Help is About KDE14:14
Obsidian17234.9.3 (which I have) is the latest release.14:15
derroni see its 4.9.214:15
Obsidian1723You may want to update it.14:15
derronok i will do that.. see if it helps14:15
derronthanks again14:15
Obsidian1723sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade14:15
Obsidian1723also, what version of Kubuntu are you using?14:16
derron12.1014:16
Obsidian1723lsb_release -a    <-- will show the version14:16
Obsidian1723ah14:16
Obsidian1723Well, to each their own on this, but I recommend staying with the LTS releases, 12.04 in this case.14:17
derronya i might consider that if I encounter the freezing more...14:17
Obsidian1723LTS has 5 year support whereas the non-LTSes do not. Also, the non-LTSes aren't as stable. I know some people use them just fine, but in general, they are not.14:17
Obsidian1723Non-LTSes are really just betas for the NEXT LTS...14:18
Obsidian172314.0414:18
derronya i guess... i just like to jump onto the next new thing14:18
Obsidian1723Nothing wrong with bleeding edge. That's why some people run Arch :D14:18
Obsidian1723I personally need stablity, so LTSes for me, and Debian14:18
XinoHi, first time I try out this function:)14:19
derronive been wanting to try arch...  doesnt work on my laptop for some reason14:19
Obsidian1723yeah, it's kinda flaey in some ways. Bleeding edge is a good way to learn.14:20
Obsidian1723flakey14:20
Obsidian1723I'd suggest trying it in a VM if you lack the number of physical machines to try any distro out on.14:21
derronYa.. im just getting out of school for computers... getting my security+ soon..   i got my MTA for server14:21
derronso i want to try to learn more linux14:21
derronas well14:21
Obsidian1723You can also make a default installation snapshot, so if the system gets borked up (which it will while you learn), rolling back is easy/.14:21
Obsidian1723Sec+ is nice... I'm looking at the GSEC myself.14:22
derrongsec?14:22
Obsidian1723I currently have a DCSE, Network+, Linux+, 35 years experience.14:22
derronwow holy cow lol14:22
Obsidian1723GSEc, from GIAC14:22
Obsidian1723I'm actually going for an F5 cert next.... new job is paying for it.14:22
derronkudos...   u were there when linux first came out?14:22
Obsidian1723I was. I started on UNIX in 1978 actually.14:23
derronnice14:23
Obsidian1723Windows didn't exist for 7 years, MSFT was a 3 year old company, APPL was 2 years old, the web didn't exist for 12 more years.14:23
Obsidian1723I started @ age 11, I'm 45 now.14:24
Obsidian1723GSEC is a bit more hands  on then SEC+ is, but SEC+ is good... If yo uwant to get into security, you may want to focus on more of the hands on certs like GSEC, CEH, GCUX, etc, vs more administrative ones like CISSP.14:25
derronwow... wish i started when u did ...14:25
Obsidian1723meh, I forgot a lot, learned a lot, learn every day. I can't program for shyte.14:25
derronlol ya i never want to program....14:25
Obsidian1723I'm a network/os/security guy, thats my area\14:26
Obsidian1723me either.14:26
Obsidian1723I gotta jet to work. I'm always on. IM me if you want. btw, ever heard og Backtrack?14:27
Obsidian1723og/of14:27
derronya we use backtrack14:27
derronfor ethical hacking class]14:27
Obsidian1723right on. If yo ureally want to learn, install DVL (Damn Vunerable Linux) then secure it, then attack it with BackTrack, repeat until the holes are plugged.14:27
Obsidian1723CEH = Certified Ethical Hacker...from OSSEC, good cert :D14:28
Obsidian1723If you want certs, checkout GIAC and OSSEC14:28
Obsidian1723ok, gotta jet...14:29
derronthanks.. tttyl14:29
Obsidian1723anytime.14:29
CQhello, my X is broken after a quantal upgrade... no useful info in the logs, I've tried reinstalling kubuntu-desktop and a few utperh packages, including some of the xserver-* ones ... any ideas?15:09
BluesKajso are you in the tty , CQ or on another machine?15:10
CQthis is another machine... the tty is fine, so is lightdm15:11
CQor kdm works as well15:11
CQon this machine (laptop) the upgrade went fine15:11
BluesKajcq so exactly how is X broken on the other pc ?15:12
CQI put in username and password, the screen goes blank, then I get the lightdm screen back15:13
BluesKajnvidia graphics ?15:13
CQnope, plain intel onboard15:15
BluesKajok , go back to the lightdm greeter screen ,ctrl+alt+f1 to drop to the tty , login , then sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade , there's fix in the upgrades15:16
CQhave done that, no change up until 5 mins ago15:16
BluesKajI had exactly the same issue15:16
BluesKajok did you try dist-upgrade as well?15:17
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CQyep15:18
xixoryep15:18
* BluesKaj wonders if nomodeset would help15:21
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CQnomodeset?15:23
BluesKajthe thing is you're able to boot into the greeter , so nomodeset isn't really applicable15:24
BluesKaj!nomodeset15:24
ubottuA common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter15:24
BluesKajdid you any errors about X server and initramfs  ?15:26
* Smurphy uses: nomodeset and removes the splash and quiete stuff ...15:26
BluesKajCQ, or xinit ?15:26
BluesKajyeah , was grasping for straws15:27
TalonClawhey15:28
TalonClawhmm i must be doing sumthin wrong this my first time on Irc15:33
robtygartTalonClaw: Hello15:34
BluesKajTalonClaw, not so far , your client is working15:34
TalonClawah it is lol15:34
TalonClawwas checking that then15:35
TalonClawconverting myself from windows to linux15:35
BluesKajCQ, you could try booting using an older kernel15:35
CQgood idea can do15:36
TalonClawhmm iv somehow got myself banned from a channel by tryin to join it..15:36
TalonClawregister zxcvbnm15:38
TalonClawfail lol15:38
CQolder kernel 3.2 doesn't help15:39
TalonClawanyone care to tell an irc noobie how to register nick with nickserv?15:39
TalonClawcnt member15:39
CQ /msg nickserv help register ?15:39
TalonClawwrong keyboard15:39
BluesKaj!register15:40
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode15:40
TalonClawthanls15:40
TalonClawthanks15:40
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CQweird with the old kernel the guest login works but the users don't15:44
BluesKajyeah i forgot about the guest login option working in some cases... why that works is a mystery to me15:46
TalonClawnope15:47
TalonClawnow this is my main issue with working on two pc's15:47
TalonClawlol15:47
Derronyayyyy im registered15:49
Derronlol15:49
TalonClawlol derron takes a lil to get used to dont it15:49
TalonClawAP?15:49
Derronyea lol... i use to join  IRC chats alot a long time ago...15:49
TalonClawlol first day ever getting in one15:50
Derronya i use to use mIRC back like 10+ years ago15:50
TalonClawstill managed to get banned on a channel by trying to join it :/15:50
BluesKajTalonClaw, repeatedly trying to join an invite only chat can get you banned15:53
TalonClawi think i accidently tried to join as root which is auto ban on backtrack15:56
TalonClawwas just looking it up15:56
BluesKajasking about backtrack in 'buntu chat's a no no15:58
TheLordOfTimeindeed15:59
TheLordOfTime!backtrack15:59
ubottuThere are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mint), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux), Ultimate Edition15:59
TalonClawomg i fail so badly16:00
TalonClawbut yeha thats the channel im now banned from facepalm16:00
BluesKajwell backtrack has reason to be paranoid16:00
TheLordOfTimeyup.16:01
TheLordOfTimeBT support maybe in ##linux though16:01
TheLordOfTimeotherwise you're SOL.16:01
TalonClawirc chat words16:01
BluesKajI don't see any benefits in backtrack anyway16:01
TalonClawtools are there ready to use16:02
TalonClawi find it easier to just have a play about on before getting into anything serious16:02
TalonClawlike pacman all night last night16:02
derron_Kubuntu just froze on me 5 minutes ago.. seems to be while im browsing the internet... can anybody help?16:08
BluesKajderron_, can you describe the freeze16:08
derron_it freezes completely...   cnat do anything have to force it to shut down16:09
BluesKajKB and mouse or just a url16:09
derron_all16:09
CQderron ctrl-alt-f1 works?16:09
derron_no16:09
derron_I did not upgrade the kernel yet...   but its only down  by .116:10
derron_just started the updates ...  have alot16:12
derron_well.. not for my internet connection lol...16:12
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TalonClawshud remember me craigo lol16:14
TalonClawwrong keyboard...16:14
Derronlol im like crossing my fingers hoping the system  doesnt freeze in the middle of the update LOL  that would really suck16:17
snaxmoin.16:18
snaxI want to download and burn kubuntu but I don't have a dvd reader on the machine I want to install it on.16:19
DerronUSB16:19
snaxI want to burn kubuntu on a cd-r.16:19
snaxDerron: it's too old to boot of usb.16:19
Derrono ok16:19
snaxIt's a dell inspiron.16:20
Derrondell inspiron too old?16:20
Derronwhat model16:20
snaxusb is not on the boot menu.16:20
TalonClawyou can still boot from usb you just need the right software16:20
Derronsometimes its not right in the bios...  hit f1216:20
TalonClawand that ^16:21
Derroni cant really remember but its somewhere where you wouldnt expect...16:21
Derronyou have to enable a setting16:21
Derroni encountered that issue before where it wasnt in the boot menu... but i had to enable something16:21
Derronits like a setting where the HD info is...  wish i could remember more specifically.. sry :(16:22
snaxI'll snoop around the bios. thanks.16:23
snaxI don't see it under F12 though.16:23
Derronok hopefully if you snoop around the bios you find it.... but what model is the inspiron btw16:24
Derronbecuase i have had an inspiron16:24
snaxsorry I'm at work atm, until lunch break.  Don't recall the exact model.16:24
Derronok16:24
snaxI go on lunch in 10 min though :)16:24
Derronok hopefully you can find the setting  when u do go16:25
Derronmaybe i will try to research how to do it on some inpiron models while your working16:25
Derronwow apparently on some older models they block the USB booting on purpose...16:27
Derronstupid dell16:27
snaxSo you just unblock it in the bios. right ?16:27
Derronlol16:27
Derronhopefully idk still looking16:27
snaxprobably for security purposes.  dumb dell.16:28
Derronyep16:28
Derronu could of course try pxe boot16:28
Derronif u wanna try16:28
Derronnot sure how that works with linux16:29
Derroncan i give web links here?>16:31
genii-aroundDerron: So long as it's not adverts16:32
Derronok i found a good site on the booting issue...16:32
Derronhttp://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-39667.html16:32
Derronif you wanna check that out, snax16:32
snaxDerron: do you use unetbootn to make usb boot drives?16:32
Derroni use    pendrivelinux16:33
Derronuniversal usb installer16:33
simplewif i install konversation-dbg and running konversation in gdb it will say that theres no debugging symbols, so something is missing in konversation-dbg package, can anyone fix thos?16:48
simplewRiddell: i you use to package konversation :)16:49
Riddellsimplew: should be in /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/konversation16:51
simplewRiddell: you could try reproduce it16:51
Derronlatest kde is 4.9.3?16:55
Derronupdates isnt showing 4.9.316:55
avihayit's in the backports repository16:55
Derroni htink it id update tho..i have to restart for it to show?16:56
Derroni think it is*16:56
avihayjust reload, not restart16:57
avihay(like apt-get update)16:57
Derronhow do i reload??  ctrl alt backspace?16:57
Derrono16:57
avihaywhat package manager are ya useing?16:57
avihayusing*16:57
Derronmuon....16:58
Derrondefault16:58
avihayI don't know how to do it from Muon :-<16:59
Derronwhat do you use16:59
avihaysynaptic17:00
simplewRiddell: Reading symbols from /usr/bin/konversation...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/konversation...(no debugging symbols found)...done.17:00
Derronon kubuntu?? i thought synaptic was just gnome17:00
avihaywell, synaptic is a GTK program, you can instal it just fine if you'd like, and it happens to be the most stable, feature full package manager I know of17:01
Derronya installing it now17:02
rijackcan some one look at this17:03
rijackhttp://pastebin.com/ZvDDUq6Y17:03
avihayuntil Muon will show me the dpkg output, or show me what went wrong properly, I can't seriously consider it a replacement17:03
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rijackthere is no package named smbfs in my package manager so where else could i get it17:04
* BluesKaj agrees with avihay on that score , synaptic can't be touched in terms of usability17:05
avihayrijack: I have smbfs in my package manager17:06
avihayBluesKaj: now if it wasn't so ugly... :->17:07
rijackyou do ? whatare your source or repos or whatever17:07
avihayI marked both universe and multiverse in the package-sources thingy, don't know how they are called now17:08
rijackk ill check that17:08
BluesKajavihay, just set it up with krunner, kdesudo systemsettings ..it can be configured to look just like any other kde app17:08
simplewavihay: theres no such package smbfs in ubuntu repos17:09
avihayBluesKaj: can you be bothered with sending me a screenshot of yours?17:10
avihaydid you go to software sources and enabled everything?17:10
avihay!package smbfs17:10
avihay!find smbfs17:10
ubottuFile smbfs found in autofs, doc-linux-ja-text, openvas-plugins-dfsg, samba-doc17:10
avihayhumm17:11
BluesKajavihay,ok , hang on17:11
simplewavihay: arent you looking for smbclient?17:13
avihayno, I've installed and used smbfs successfully before17:13
BluesKajavihay, http://imagebin.org/23556917:14
BluesKajavi you may need to do a ctrl- to bring the size down since i'm using a large monitor17:14
simplewavihay: so you need toisntall autofs17:14
BluesKajavihay,^17:14
avihaysimplew: I don't think so17:16
avihaytry sudo apt-get install smbfs from your command line17:17
simplewavihay: what for? why dont you do it17:17
Derronsomeone told me latest kde is  9.2.3?17:18
Derroncant find it in the synaptic or muon17:18
avihayyou'd want autofs to force smbfs to reconnect17:18
Derronbackports included17:18
arsalhello17:18
avihayDerron:  4.9.317:18
Derronya thats what i meant17:19
Derronim in class so im trying to multi task17:19
arsalany body here to help me out ? :( i am window user so i have switched to kunbuntu recently17:20
avihayDerron: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports17:21
BluesKajarsal, ok just ask your question17:21
simplewDerron: you should go to kde website and see by yourself last version17:21
Derronya synaptic keeps saying latest version : 4.9.217:21
BluesKajDerron, use the kubuntu-ppa17:21
avihayand after you add the ppa, hit refresh17:21
simplewDerron: that would save you time and money17:22
BluesKajupdate and upgradew17:22
BluesKajBBIAB17:22
arsal_i install antivirus ..... whenever i attempt to run it, it shows loading icon in taskbar but nothing happened d jus disappear :(17:25
simplewarsal_: i never useed an antiviruz in linux17:26
rijackantivirus? all you need for linux is a firewall17:27
rijackare you using wine17:27
rijack?17:27
Derronstill dont see it how to i find it in the package manager??     search  for  "kernel" ?17:27
Derroneveryone should use anti virus for linux...17:28
arsal_i need to scan my external hard drive through linux .. i read on multi forums about it...17:28
Derronwhat if you give a colleague who uses windows a virus?17:28
Derronemail... messenger17:28
Derronnetwork shares17:28
arsal_for linux .. i never heard of any one who uses antivirus :p :D17:29
avihaylet's start with, arsal_ , what antivirus did you install?17:29
Derronwell realistically they should17:29
Derronmany dont17:29
arsal_it is avast17:29
avihayDerron: I delegate the viruse checking responsibility to the windows machines17:30
avihayI warn people that my DOKs were in the school computer farm and that they should update their anti-viruse before inserting it, which is, I think, fair enough17:31
arsal_actually in a forum i read that there is only 14 viruses which effects linux.. how much is this true???17:31
avihayWikipedia lists about 14, all of them are now irrelevant. as far as I know avast only checks for windows viruses17:33
rijacki tried autofs my smb still isnt working17:33
avihayarsal_: erm, well seems my memory was off17:34
avihayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware17:34
DerronI guess you could do that...   it is the responsibility of the windows user to keep their antiviruses up to date but still... idk17:34
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avihayDerron: the overhead of running an anti-virus in windows was so high that I would only install it periodically for a short while just to check I haven't been infected. usually if I was infected with anything, it was spyware that my AV didn't even handle17:36
thecaptain2000hi, has anybody any idea how to turn a linux machine in a wifi hotspot? I have two wifi cards, with one I connect to the  hotel wifi, with the other one I would like to be able to broadcast a signal that let my telephone connect to the internet in order to make skype calls with my wife (skype on linux is rubbish)17:37
avihaythecaptain2000: you can do it from the KDE network manager17:38
Derronspeaking of skype... since microsoft took over skype.. i wonder if they will even bother to update linux with skype17:38
thecaptain2000I tried, I found a few huides on the network, but either my android does not detect ad hoc connection or those guides are not accurate17:38
thecaptain2000avihay: I tried, I found a few huides on the network, but either my android does not detect ad hoc connection or those guides are not accurate17:38
avihayI can guide you, assuming you are useing a recent version of Kubuntu/KDE17:39
thecaptain2000avihay: basically my android wifi manager does not find the ssid of the ad hoc connection I set in network manager, associated with the second wifi card17:39
thecaptain2000I am on 4.917:39
thecaptain2000kubuntu 12.0417:40
avihayok, open the network manager17:40
thecaptain2000there I am17:40
avihayin the wireless tab, click the add button, then the shared option17:40
thecaptain2000I believe you mean in the "manage connection" program17:41
thecaptain2000ok, done it17:41
avihayumm, yhe, sorry17:41
avihaypick an ssid17:41
avihaymake sure that ipv4 is on basic and shared17:41
thecaptain2000ok, I picked "ohmygod"17:41
Derronlol17:42
thecaptain2000yup, basic and shared selected17:42
avihayin wireless security pick whatever you'd like17:42
avihayI suggest wpa17:42
thecaptain2000I guess I need to restrict this connection to my "other" wifi adapter -> wlan117:42
avihaynot really17:43
thecaptain2000"restrict to interface"17:43
thecaptain2000does it harm?17:43
thecaptain2000if I do not do it, when the new network appears, it re tries to connect wlan017:43
avihaywell, if you mix them up it will take you some time to figure it out17:43
thecaptain2000well, I restrict it to wolan1, it should not harm17:43
avihayhit ok17:44
thecaptain2000there I am17:44
avihaythen open the network manager, pick one interface on the left17:44
avihaytell it to connect the to the hotel17:45
thecaptain2000ok17:45
thecaptain2000one is already connected (that is why I am chatting with you now)17:45
avihaygo back and select the other interface, and tell it to connect to ohmygod17:45
thecaptain2000done it17:45
avihaytheoretically you should now be able to see it from the android after the whole setting network address thing finishes17:46
thecaptain2000nothing is visible on Andreoid except for the same hotel wifi SSID17:46
thecaptain2000which is where I got stck17:47
thecaptain2000stuck17:47
avihay:-<17:47
avihaytry to remove the restrict thingy17:47
avihayafter that, try to remove the wireless security17:47
avihayI managed to make a windows laptop share my internet only when I used wep17:48
avihayand by remove I mean change, hit apply, and reconnect the interface to ohmygod17:48
thecaptain2000avihay: done and reconnected, still no joy17:48
avihayumm, try to set the channel to channel 6?17:49
thecaptain2000one thing, on the list of available connection, on the linux laptop, I see the connection I created (MyNewShared connection), it is the SSID which is ohmygod) but there is no signal associated to it, not sure if it helps17:50
thecaptain2000avihay: he channel is set to automatica and cannot changeit17:50
avihaywell, I don't know then, I managed to make it work twice in a row so I know it's possible17:51
thecaptain2000freaking bastard (my pc)17:52
derronsynaptic is still saying latest version of kde...  4.9.217:54
simplewderron: synaptic lies not17:55
derronwell apparently it is17:55
avihaysimplew:  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports17:55
derroni did that...17:55
derronand reloades17:55
derronreload17:55
simplewderron: and you did run apt-get upgrade?17:56
derronyep17:56
simplewsome you havent done properly17:57
avihaysudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports17:57
avihayderron: ^17:57
BluesKajnot the backports , just kubuntu-ppa17:57
derronderron@derron-Aspire-5750:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa17:58
derronYou are about to add the following PPA to your system:17:58
derron Updates for Kubuntu releases which are due to go to Ubuntu Updates.  Mostly KDE point releases.17:58
derron More info: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa17:58
derronPress [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel adding it17:58
derrongpg: keyring `/tmp/tmperogc2/secring.gpg' created17:58
FloodBotK1derron: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.17:58
avihaythen sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade17:59
TheLordOfTime!enter | derron17:59
ubottuderron: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!17:59
derroni tried copy paste... had no idea it would send in multiple messages17:59
derronanyways didnt seem to work17:59
TheLordOfTimeyeah, the 'linebreak' chars are interpreted as you hitting "enter"17:59
thecaptain2000avihay: do you know one thing I see strange? in my ad hoc connection setting, the channel is set to automatic and it is disabled then when I connect to that particular network, the channel results to be "-1"17:59
OerHeksavihay, getting 4.9.3 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports is only for 12.04, not Quantal18:00
avihayoh18:01
BluesKajalso , one should also run . dist-upgrade18:01
avihayforgot18:01
derrongpg: keyring `/tmp/tmperogc2/secring.gpg' created18:01
derrongpg: keyring `/tmp/tmperogc2/pubring.gpg' created gpg: requesting key 8AC93F7A from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: /tmp/tmperogc2/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created gpg: key 8AC93F7A: public key "Launchpad Kubuntu Updates" imported gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1)18:01
derronthere we go18:02
derronthat would explain it then...    so how do i ge4.9.3 for quantal18:02
OerHekshttps://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=quantal18:03
OerHekscheck the website first, before going to add18:04
derronok, i got it now... thank you so much18:08
douglI backed up/renamed my .kde folder to .kde and now my kmail is gone and xchat is using some fontzilla that makes the nicks and chatter huge in the middle window of xchat = any suggestions for making my kubuntu 12.10 into a normal looking computer?18:08
douglto .kde.bak18:09
avihaygtg18:09
BluesKajdougl, yeah use konverstion instead18:10
BluesKaj:)18:10
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douglBluesKaj, always good to hear from you... all my logs and everything are in xchat = been using the same .xchat dir for years - thats all you got ? :)18:12
BluesKajdougl, well it was a joke , but renaming .kde isn't always wise , I know it's a common fix for a lot of kde issues , but it's also a pita when it doesn't apply the fix one expects18:14
chuckbryHi there! I've installed the full kde desktop on top of ubuntu 12.04. 1) Firefox and some other apps in unity have taken on a kde/qt theme. Any way to fix that? 2) In order for me to switch to KDE i'll need to find a way to get nautilus file manager & other gtk apps to look like the rest of the KDE apps. Nautilus looks & fonts are terrible and no fix i've tried so far has worked. I'd appreciate any help, thanks.18:15
BluesKajchuckbry, install kubuntu-desktop , then setup your gtk looks in system settings>application appearance18:16
douglBluesKaj, ok - you made me laugh... is xchat a gtk app or something - where do you config the font on those apps18:17
chuckbryhave already done that.. nautilus won't use the ubuntu font and the oxygen-gtk theme.18:17
OerHeksxchat has its own preferences with fonts and stuff.18:17
chuckbryor any other theme like qtcurve18:18
BluesKajin xchat itself I think18:18
dougllooking18:18
BluesKajchuckbry, do you want gnome/unity as an option when you login ?18:19
douglsay no18:19
chuckbryyes, for the time being18:19
BluesKajchuckbry, try the krunner (alt+F2) , kdesudo systemsettings , that gives root permissions and then try the changes for gtk using that method18:22
douglOerHeks, BluesKaj got it readable = thanks guys :)18:24
OerHekshave fun dougl18:24
chuckbrydid what you suggested but didn't work..maybe I have to log in again?18:27
yofeluh kdesudo systemsettings will set appearance for root, not your user18:29
chuckbryright...I remember a few years back that fiddling with settings as root fixed some problems system-wide but..that was several versions ago and I hadn't used kde since...18:31
yofelchuckbry: is xsettings-kde installed and running?18:31
chuckbrynobody uses nautilus in kde?18:31
yofelmost people don't but it should use oxygen since 12.04 if you use it18:31
mime_1111hey ppl18:33
yofelchuckbry: and so you have this in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4? gtk-theme-name="oxygen-gtk"18:33
yofel*and do you18:33
chuckbrylet me see18:34
mime_1111after having flash problems, i just start the browser as admin, and the problem has dissapeared, but only works correctly with sudo, any help? thnx18:34
chuckbryare there keyboard shortcuts for showing all desktops & moving an application to one like shift+ctrl_alt+-> in compiz?18:42
yofelchuckbry: the settings are there, but empty by default18:45
chuckbrydidn't find one for moving apps18:45
chuckbryone that can be set, i mean18:45
chuckbrymaybe missed it18:46
yofelchuckbry: systemsettings->shortcuts->global->kwin->Move Window ...18:46
yofelWindow One Desktop ... rather18:47
chuckbryfound it, thanks alot!18:48
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chuckbryexpose of all destops like in unity? I got the cube working but that's not what i'm looking for18:49
imgx64Hi, I'm trying Kubuntu 12.10 LiveCD in a virtual machine.. Why aren't Web Shortcuts working in the Alt-F2 menu? I typed "gg:test" then pressed Enter, but nothing happened.18:50
chuckbryThat "window One desktop.." would have been a very hard find..could be made easier to find18:51
chuckbryfound all the rest, thanks yofel..If only we could fix nautilus fonts & themes I'd be a happy camper19:04
simplewyofel: poing19:08
yofelsimplew: piong19:23
yofelchuckbry: you are on 12.04 right? There the gtk theme is set by setting it for gtk2, and using xsettings-kde to also apply it for gtk319:24
yofelso if things work right, everything should be using oxygen-gtk19:24
chuckbrydidn't quite catch the steps there..can't seem to start xsettings-kde. It come up but nothing starts..can you list the steps of what I have to do?19:28
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yofelchuckbry: ah, I was just asking if it's running, it's a daemon without UI19:29
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chuckbryok19:29
yofelchuckbry: to set it go to systemsettings->applicationa appearance->gtk19:29
m477how can I add apps to tray?19:29
yofelthat should usually work then19:29
yofelchuckbry: here's my ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 http://paste.kde.org/60500619:30
yofelchuckbry: for gtk3 you could put this in your ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini http://paste.kde.org/605012/ but that will probably mess with unity19:31
chuckbrythe 1st file is identical to mine. There's no gtk3 file in home19:38
rijackWhat does this mean in Konsole19:39
rijackssh: connect to host 192.168.2.8 port 22: No route to host19:39
TheLordOfTimerijack, means it can't connect to that system via SSH on port 2219:40
TheLordOfTime"No Route to Host" means there's no connection path to there betweenyou and it19:40
TheLordOfTime(also means no connections allowed there)19:40
rijacki dont know what could cause that19:42
rijacki can connect in Chromium19:43
TheLordOfTimeChromium connects via SSH?19:43
TheLordOfTimeyou likely are connecting to port 80 on that system via chromium, not port 22 / SSH19:43
TheLordOfTime(80 is HTTP, 22 is SSH.  they're separate servicse)19:43
rijackok ill try that then19:44
chuckbryanother unrelated quirk...using firefox as main browser..I can only move the window when point exactlty on the topmost part--the empty space beneath doesn't produce the cross mark and I end up trying sever times to point to the right place..quite nerving19:44
TheLordOfTimethat wasnt a solution rijack19:44
TheLordOfTimethat was me saying that you're probably mistaking having a site for having SSH19:45
rijackthere are other unix commands then ssh to connect though arent there?19:46
TheLordOfTimeyou assume SSH is running on 192.168.2.819:46
TheLordOfTimeits likely given the error message that that IP/machine is not running SSH19:47
rijackim trying to send command to my router's shell which it "should" support19:48
phiscribemost routers that have a way in use telnet.  some need a "special" ip packet and or logon to get in20:02
* dougl is googling nepomuk20:04
dougl!nepomuk20:05
TygartWhat chat do I use for Kubuntu 13.04?20:05
Captain_ProtonI just install kde and remove unity on 12.10 box now lightdm will not start anyne know what the lightdm.conf should be?20:09
Captain_Protonsettings*20:09
douglanyone want to chat about nepomuk - reading is not cutting it... what does it do and who said I wanted it?20:11
OerHeksnepomuk-akonadi is a desktop search/indexing service. nice, to find anything quickly.20:13
Captain_Protonguess I will have to go back to unity then20:14
OerHeksunity runs on lightDM, so if you removed it, sure it won't start.20:14
Captain_ProtonI have lightdm install I do not know what kubuntu uses for the session setting or greeter they will be listed under /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf20:15
BluesKajCaptain_Proton, just install lightdm , kubuntu uses it as well20:16
BluesKajsince 12.0420:16
* OerHeks oops20:16
douglare the fonts here http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Metadata/Nepomuk/Quickstart messed up and ugly on other firefox browsers?20:17
Captain_Protoni know i can not find the light.conf setting for KDE20:17
Captain_Protoncan someone do a cat on /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and let me know what they ARE20:18
douglOerHeks, thanks :)20:18
TygartWere is the support channel for Kubuntu 13.0420:20
TygartWhere*20:20
douglCaptain_Proton, what did you need to know?20:20
OerHeksTygart, join #ubuntu+1 for raring20:22
Captain_Protonwhat the user-setting is and greeter-session i think is lightdm-kde-greeter but I am not sure20:22
TygartOerHeks: Thanks20:22
pablo_hello everybody, I have a question about rekonq, beacuse i can't see any video on youtube. The problem exists only in rekonq, because firefox and chrome works fine with youtube. Anyone knows how i can fix it?20:22
douglgreeter-session=lightdm-kde-greeter20:23
Captain_Protongoogle rekonq and flash you need to move a file bu I can not remember where20:23
Captain_Protondougl, is there a user-setting20:24
douglCaptain_Proton, no20:24
douglautologin user you mean?20:25
douglautologin-user=doug20:25
Captain_ProtonI will just reinstall :( no biggie20:27
BluesKajpablo_, rekonq is hopeless , forget it ..it's much too buggt to be reliable20:35
BluesKajer buggy20:35
pablo_ok, i understand20:36
pablo_maybe konqueror without webkit is better?20:36
douglbuggery... I thot this was  a family channel20:36
pablo_i don't know too much about kde applications, is the first time that i used20:37
pablo_because, i don't like the look of gnome 3 and unity20:38
douglpablo_, you are not alone20:38
BluesKajpablo , stick to known browsers that work, FF, chrome/chromium , even opera20:39
douglI hear good things about chrome but firefox is tried and true for me... and youtubes great20:39
pablo_ok, thanks to all20:40
pablo_ by the way anyone know if there is a channel in any server to talk about programming languages?20:44
calcmandando you know how to list channels?20:47
yankelehello20:53
jedihawkcalcmandan: /list20:53
yankele!list20:53
ubottuyankele: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».20:53
pablo_yeah, i know how to list20:53
calcmandanjedihawk: thanks, i was answering someone else's question.20:53
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jedihawkoh20:57
abcdeathhi21:08
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us0rhello, i'm trying to install winPcap and i cant seem to find the right application to use to open the .exe file. does anyone here know?21:45
genii-aroundI'd guess the "win" part of winpcap might be your problem there.21:46
BluesKajus0r, you need wine to run windows exe file in linux21:46
us0rah, i see. can i apt-get wine?21:47
BluesKaj!wine21:48
ubottuWINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu21:48
us0rgot it. thanks21:49
us0rdamn, my terminal has been stopped up with a end user license agreement that wont let me agree to it or download wine21:58
OerHeksus0r, you cannot click it with your mouse ? try [tab] and hit [space]21:59
us0rnot with mouse. [tab] and [space] worked. thanks22:00
FloodBotK1!netsplit23:20
ubottunetsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit23:20
noaXesshey23:27
noaXessconfiguring sshd for chroot sftp users.. with the match directive... works fine.. but if i connect to that sftp server and create a file or directory it uses wrong group for creating..23:28
noaXessany hint?23:28
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