[00:01] <rick_h>  jrwren bookie used to
[00:03] <jrwren> no more eh?
[00:03] <jrwren> Hi, i'm a total n00b and I have a simple example, very much like the wine part1 tutorial but it isn't working. fetch seems to come up empty, even though network tab shows data transfered and that data looks right.
[00:03] <jrwren> where is a good place to place a breakpoint so that I can see results coming back? Maybe where each of my model objects is created from the response json? where is that?
[00:30] <jrwren> oh! a template error. lesson learned.
[01:13] <snap-l> Evening
[01:13] <jjesse> evening s
[01:14] <jjesse> snap-l,
[01:17] <snap-l> cat is in heat, and making all sorts of noise
[01:22] <jrwren> kick her out hte house
[01:23] <jjesse> take out her heater?
[02:01] <snap-l> jrwren: She's an indoor car
[02:01] <snap-l> jjesse: We're going to do that on Tuesday
[02:01] <jjesse> nice
[02:45] <snap-l> Cat just took a running jump and landed on my back with claws extended
[02:45] <snap-l> I think I can appreaciate rick_h's stance on cats a little better. :)
[02:46] <jrwren> ready to let her out the door yet?
[02:46] <jrwren> why does firefox say $ isn't defined but chrome loads jquery first like it is supposed to?
[02:47] <snap-l> jrwren: no, not yet.
[02:47] <snap-l> She did it again. Apparently the screams of "WHAT THE FUCK" weren't enough the last time.
[02:50] <jrwren> kill her
[02:50] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm putting her in a box and sending her to your place.
[02:52] <jrwren> i'd let her out on my back porch
[02:52] <jrwren> if she starts scratching my doors, i'll let her out my front and she'd probably get in a nice fight with the local wildlife
[02:59] <snap-l> It's comments like this that make me want to punch people: http://identi.ca/notice/93737645
[03:00] <snap-l> "We don't like non-GPLed games, so we're going to start a collective to bitch endlessly about them."
[03:05] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/130i1k/coffee_beans_in_danger_of_extinction/ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:32] <derekv> won't happen
[03:32] <derekv> but if true, one reason to not live for ever
[03:33] <derekv> i'd be 102
[03:33] <derekv> i think when you 102, you can just close your eyes and die at any time
[03:33] <derekv> so at that time, I'd have that option
[03:37] <rick_h> jrwren: did you figure the jquery thing out?
[04:22] <jcastro_> snap-l: awake?
[15:23] <brousch> I am laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/inside-team-romneys-whale-of-an-it-meltdown/
[15:34] <snap-l> jcastro_: I'm awake now.
[15:34] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, that project Orca was a big clusterfuck of awesome
[15:37]  * rick_h is full of fail and can't work lynx today
[15:45] <snap-l> rick_h: I see the problem
[15:45] <snap-l> 1) Using Lynx
[15:45] <snap-l> 2) See #1
[15:46] <rick_h> I'm testing my website change in lynx because I have to :P
[15:46] <snap-l> Blergh
[15:46] <brousch> yikes
[15:46] <rick_h> yea, fun stuff
[15:46] <brousch> Also in IE6?
[15:46] <rick_h> nope, don't care about them
[15:46] <snap-l> rick_h: Just a quick pointer from having used Lynx
[15:46] <snap-l> All that Javascript shit? Doesn't work. ;)
[15:47] <rick_h> snap-l: now you're getting to the point of this test
[15:47] <rick_h> 'if you're in lynx...does all my pretty JS stuff get out of the way and you get a simple message?'
[15:48] <snap-l> "Please for the love of God, turn on Javascript, you wanker"?
[15:48] <rick_h> guess there's people in the server side filing bugs and looking at stuff from lynx on servers
[15:49] <snap-l> Ah, I see, so the real root of the problem is people filing bugs
[15:49] <brousch> I must admit I've done that half a dozen times in the last decade
[15:49] <brousch> No bug reports though
[15:49] <snap-l> "Please stop filing bugs. We've got enough of them, thank you"
[15:49] <snap-l> "We're done full up"
[15:51] <brousch> You could just break the  bug submission form
[15:51] <rick_h> well that's the strange thing. It's for showing the privacy banner
[15:51] <rick_h> but it won't work when you're filing because you've not yet said this is security/private related
[15:52] <snap-l> Ah, lovely.
[17:29] <jrwren> rick_h: i did not figure out the jquery thing. it works in safari adn chrome, but not FF
[17:30] <rick_h> jrwren: link? or is it local only? Pastebin?
[17:30] <rick_h> make sure you have <script></script> and not <script/>
[17:30] <jrwren> yes
[17:30] <jrwren> http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/test.html
[17:31] <jrwren> my buddy says it work for him in FF htough.
[17:31] <jrwren> so maybe it something goofy with my noscript or aurora or something? I dunno
[17:32] <rick_h> yea, works here on nightly
[17:32] <jrwren> hrmf. I think I'll stop caring about it.
[17:34] <rick_h> ugh, why's it seem to load slow.
[17:35] <rick_h> guess just lack of other content to distract me while it loads
[17:35] <rick_h> nvm, ignore me
[17:37] <greg-g> man, this quad core(i5)/ssd laptop is fast
[17:37]  * greg-g is using his work bought laptop again, finally
[17:37] <greg-g> x220 (work) vs x200s (personal)
[17:40] <jrwren> rick_h: 700k json response :)
[17:40] <jrwren> there is a reason it is called test :)
[17:55] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, seemed maybe the cdn was acting slow at first
[17:56] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, noticed a nice jump from my x201 -> x230
[17:56] <rick_h> gah, forgot my glasses at the coffee shop
[17:57] <Blazeix> i'm sure you made a nearsighted caribou very happy
[17:57] <rick_h> hah, in the car so yay
[17:59] <rick_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iv1Z7bf4jXY
[18:00] <rick_h> heh, ubuntu laptop in the book I'm listening to
[18:07] <jrwren> lol, the magical wizards.
[18:09] <jrwren> rick_h: so how does this work?
[18:09] <rick_h> jrwren: the ubuntu for android?
[18:10] <jrwren> yeah.
[18:10] <jrwren> ubuntu music player, ubuntu photo gallery? wtf?!?
[18:10] <rick_h> so you boot ubuntu, but it mounts your phone's drive and reads/writes the formats to things like the photo store, contact list, etc
[18:10] <jrwren> oh! it really integrates with android.
[18:10] <rick_h> and has libraries for using the phone hardware to do things like the SMS sending from the ubuntu boot directly in the messanging indicator
[18:11] <rick_h> yea, it's more than just boots, it interacts with the android side
[18:11] <jjesse> does it "integrate" or does it wipe out the standard Android build and replace it w/ Ubuntu?
[18:11] <rick_h> I *believe* it installs as an app?
[18:11] <jrwren> jjesse: it definitely integrates.
[18:11] <jjesse> well on the Nexus7 i think it wipes it?
[18:11] <rick_h> my phone doesn't support it since you need the hdmi out stuff
[18:11] <rick_h> yea, the N7 is different
[18:11] <jrwren> so I wonder if I can install this on mk802 android
[18:11] <rick_h> it's just a 'test device' standard for working on Ubuntu on mobile hardware
[18:13] <rick_h> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_for_Android seems to have some info
[18:13] <jrwren> i just want ubuntu for anroid and to point it at a PPA with XBMC and I'll be very happy
[18:14] <jrwren> oh wow, plug into TV and it is Ubuntu TV experience.
[18:14] <jrwren> this is so cool
[18:14] <rick_h> yea, I mean the N4 is a quad core machine that would probably be great for the wife to be honest
[18:14] <rick_h> imagine she just 'docks' her phone to do her notes at night
[18:15] <jrwren> i was thinking same thing for my wife, and parents.
[18:15] <rick_h> so I'm excited to see where it goes. It's one of my favorite things people are working on I think.
[18:16] <rick_h> I think Sun (or IBM) had a thing where you had a box with a HD and CPU in it and you dropped it in any dock hooked to keyboard/mouse to work on stuff
[18:16] <jrwren> never heard of it.
[18:16] <snap-l> rick_h: I know SUN had the hotelling concept where you had this low-end terminal with a smart card reader
[18:17] <jrwren> i've definitely heard of SunRays, but that was a dumb terminal with login like snap-l says
[18:17] <snap-l> and it would connect you to a beefier computer
[18:17]  * snap-l has a Sun Ray
[18:17] <jrwren> of course you do :)
[18:17] <snap-l> haven't been able to do anything useful withit
[18:17] <jrwren> did you ever try the linux open source server for it?
[18:17] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm the Katamari Damacy of computer shit
[18:18] <snap-l> jrwren: No, it looked a little "interesting" to get started
[18:18] <snap-l> Might try it later, though
[18:18] <rick_h> hmm, yea can't find anything in a quick google
[18:18] <snap-l> rick_h: I tihnk you're thinking of "a laptop". ;)
[18:18] <snap-l> or even "a desktop". ;)
[18:18] <rick_h> snap-l: no, this was a little block box, like the portable hard drive docks where you drop a bard HD into it
[18:19] <rick_h> so the idea was you'd 'take your work' home with you
[18:19] <rick_h> but popping out this unit and docking it at home
[18:19] <rick_h> so much smaller than a laptop, without any peripherals
[18:19] <brousch> Geekers. You can do most of that already with Linux on Android
[18:20] <brousch> Most of the Ubuntu for Android stuff
[18:20] <rick_h> can you SMS out through your phone?
[18:20] <rick_h> and get your contacts from your phone into thunderbird type stuff?
[18:21] <snap-l> And can you turn on the vibe unit in the phone to give you a foot massage?
[18:21] <rick_h> heh
[18:21] <rick_h> jcastro_: woodworking mtg thurs. Block out the schedule!
[18:22] <brousch> It runs as an app, so you use SMS through your Android SMS program
[18:23] <rick_h> lmao! just asked in #launchpad "JamesJRH- Hello, when will Launchpad support Git, Hg, and Darcs, in addition to Bzr?"
[18:23] <jrwren> not to mention you get ubuntu instead of android. so dpkg, apt, ppa. those are all great things IMO
[18:23] <rick_h> first, I love the inclusion of darcs
[18:23] <jrwren> rick_h: includsion of darcs shows it is troll
[18:24] <rick_h> yea, I mean the idea is that you're just booting into ubuntu and using it like you would your normal computer. Customize it, etc.
[18:36] <snap-l> rick_h: Lunchpad better support SCCS, or I'm totally not using it.
[18:36] <rick_h> you don't use it now :P
[18:37] <snap-l> rick_h: That's not important. What is important is I'm letting you know I'll still not use it.
[18:37] <snap-l> respect my geekrage
[18:37] <rick_h> snap-l: one word for you.... ragequit
[18:37] <rick_h> enjoy
[18:38]  * snap-l ragequits: Ubuntu doesn't respect my choices.
[18:38] <brousch> Huh, what would cause a package installed with pip to not show up in pip freeze?
[18:40] <rick_h> brousch: if you don't have the right ve enabled
[18:40] <rick_h> and you didn't install the package where you thought you installed it
[18:40] <rick_h> or you used easy_install to install it
[18:40] <brousch> That's not it
[18:40] <brousch> pip install carbon
[18:41] <rick_h> which pip
[18:41] <rick_h> which python
[18:41] <rick_h> python: import carbon
[18:41] <rick_h> help(carbon) dir(carbon)
[18:41] <brousch> python2.7
[18:41] <rick_h> sorry meant that as a series of commands
[18:41] <brousch> Hm, it seems to throw itself into /opt/graphite
[18:41] <rick_h> $ which pip
[18:42] <rick_h> $ which python
[18:42] <rick_h> and making sure all that jives
[18:42] <brousch> It is correct, but carbon is stupid
[18:42] <rick_h> hah
[18:42] <brousch> Also graphite-web is stupid
[18:43] <brousch> They ignore your venv and install to /opt/graphite
[18:43] <brousch> Damn fools
[18:43] <brousch> I have a Ruby guy whining about Python packaging because carbon and graphite-web are stupid
[18:44] <brousch> The projects are on Launchpad, therefore it is your fault
[18:44] <jjesse> http://kentbrewster.com/who-likes-mitt/ you can watch people unfriend Mitt Romney on Facebook in real time :)
[18:45] <greg-g> rick_h: what is tox?
[18:45] <greg-g> (re twitter)
[18:45] <rick_h> greg-g: python library to aid in working across python versions
[18:45] <rick_h> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/tox
[18:45] <rick_h> used to help run your tests from one codebase in different python venvs for different versions
[18:46] <greg-g> ahh, cool
[18:48] <snap-l> Oh, nice
[18:49] <snap-l> rick_h: Someone mentioned Lococast in response to your deleted rant. :)
[18:49] <rick_h> snap-l:  :( https://twitter.com/scitesy/status/268061744218390529
[18:49] <rick_h> yea, that's the guy from codemash/pyohio
[18:49] <brousch> Geekers https://bugs.launchpad.net/graphite/+bug/795713
[18:49] <snap-l> rick_h: Maybe after 1DevDay?
[18:50] <brousch> "@scitesy's tweets are protected.
[18:50] <brousch> Only confirmed followers have access to @scitesy's Tweets and complete profile. Click the "Follow" button to send a follow request."
[18:50] <snap-l> (Which is this weekend, which came as a surprise to me too)
[18:50] <snap-l> brousch: "@mitechie no lococast? The Pyramid episode was very good. I am missing it."
[18:50] <rick_h> snap-l: orly? I wasn't going to go so didn't think much on it tbh
[18:51] <snap-l> rick_h: Weren't going to go? That's unpossible
[18:51] <rick_h> yea, wife's going to a conference in chicago and I've got boy duty this weekend
[18:51] <rick_h> I've been on a conference break.
[18:51] <snap-l> You have a ticket. :)
[18:52] <rick_h> not that I'm aware of...I never promoted it on lococast and such
[18:52] <snap-l> Bring Michael. He'll love running through Cobo Hall
[18:52] <rick_h> lol
[18:52] <snap-l> I thought they sent you one.
[18:52] <rick_h> do they have a napping room for us? :P
[18:52] <snap-l> rick_h: They do have lunch
[18:52] <snap-l> Catered
[18:53] <snap-l> http://1devdaydetroit.com/2012/11/04/1devday-details-and-schedule/
[18:53] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, I'm going to be home this weekend. Let me know how it goes
[18:54] <snap-l> rick_h: Bummer. Was hoping you were going to head on down.
[18:54] <rick_h> sorry :(
[19:03] <snap-l> rick_h: How am I supposed to know what aspirational developer talks I should be going to if you don't go? :)
[19:03] <snap-l> *sniff*
[19:06] <rick_h> snap-l: problem solved http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1353851/
[19:06] <snap-l> Pthhhpt.
[19:07] <rick_h> hehe
[19:07] <snap-l> I'm going to the OpenGL talk, though
[19:07] <snap-l> I've wanted to get into that for a while now
[19:08] <snap-l> It's rgith against the Hadoop one, though, which I also find fascinating
[19:08] <rick_h> yea, but what are you going to actually do with hadoop?
[19:09] <rick_h> and the overview you'll get in a short talk is going to be all show
[19:09] <snap-l> Lord knows. Big Data might come sooner than later over here.;)
[19:09] <snap-l> I mean, we have SOOOO MUUUUCH DAAAAATA.
[19:10] <snap-l> ;)
[19:10] <rick_h> yep...and it's scattered to the 9 moons in mysql with no real support for getting/using it :P
[19:10] <snap-l> rick_h: We just need one giant Hadoop cluster to warehouse it. ;)
[19:11] <rick_h> riiight...that'll get suport for a day, maybe two max before some excel sheet comes up
[19:11] <snap-l> hahahahaha
[19:12] <Blazeix> ha, i'm not going to any ove those sessions. maybe i should reconsider :)
[19:12] <Blazeix> s/ove/of/
[19:12] <rick_h> Blazeix: well they were focused on the non jvm/.net loving dev who also thinks things like 'growing our dev community' sounds like someone else's issue
[19:12] <rick_h> Blazeix: I'd build a different menu for you or jrwren :)
[19:13] <snap-l> hey now
[19:13] <rick_h> I would though. You have to take the person into account when picking talks
[19:14] <snap-l> Just because I think the JVM is an abomination, and wouldn't touch .net, and think growing our dev community is a nice touchy feely sentiment that's someone elses problem doesn't mean... oh.
[19:15] <Blazeix> haha, i doubt snap-l and i will be sharing much: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1353867/
[19:16] <rick_h> hah
[19:16] <Blazeix> i didn't realize it was so .NET heavy until just now
[19:16] <snap-l> Maybe breaks and lunch, but that's the extent of it.
[19:17] <Blazeix> i'm going to be on 'company booth' duty from 8 to 9, so you can come by and ask difficult questions.
[19:18] <rick_h> hah
[19:20] <snap-l> Oh, I'll get some Trivial Pursuit questions lined up
[19:32] <rick_h> bah, there's not going to be mail today is there :/
[19:36] <snap-l> rick_h: Nope. A lot of people died to make sure you don't get mail today.
[19:36] <rick_h> wow, crashed my window VM by loading Bookie in IE
[19:36] <snap-l> rick_h: Achievement: Unlocked
[19:39] <rick_h> hah! #ifIE infinite_loop();
[19:42] <waldo323_> feature?
[19:43] <brousch> Yes. He doesn't want filthy IE users on his system
[19:43] <brousch> It's quite an ingenious way of keeping out the riff-raff
[19:43] <waldo323_> and to convince those who try to start using a different browser?
[19:44] <Blazeix> ( http://www.crashie.com/ )
[19:44]  * waldo323_ is tempted to try it
[19:49] <brousch> I'm scaqred
[19:51] <snap-l> God, getting an e-mail all in caps is like getting a drive-by screaming match
[19:52] <snap-l> YOUR WELCOME SEE YOU THEN!
[19:53] <waldo323_> are they happy or going to come by to beat you up?
[19:54] <snap-l> I don't know
[19:54] <snap-l> It's been a while since I've been to Golling, so maybe both
[20:01] <greg-g> also, "YOUR"?
[20:01] <greg-g> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE/YOUR SAYING!
[20:03] <brousch> He's saying the welcome is yours
[20:06] <greg-g> oh, I get it. "BE WELCOME THAT I'LL SEE YOU THEN"
[20:40] <greg-g> http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/share_with_a_friend_walkthrough/
[20:42] <jrwren> what is .net heavy?
[20:43] <Blazeix> jrwren: the list of talks i'm planning to attend at 1devday
[20:43] <jrwren> ah, I see.
[20:43] <jrwren> 1devday. yeah, i'm surprised too, I htink last year it was java heavy but .net light
[20:49] <snap-l> There was some .net stuff there
[21:20] <greg-g> what is this "would you like to install <webpage> thing that Fx on Ubuntu is asking me?"
[21:20] <greg-g> erm, move that " to the right spot
[21:23] <rick_h> greg-g: http://askubuntu.com/questions/203100/what-does-would-you-like-to-install-twitter-mean
[21:23] <rick_h> greg-g: see 12.10 changelog
[21:26] <greg-g> ugh, disgusting
[21:27] <greg-g> how do I remove them and prevent from being asked again? I see that question wasn't answered :)
[21:28] <rick_h> greg-g: not use FF? :P
[21:28] <rick_h> greg-g: must be something to uninstall I guess
[21:28] <greg-g> http://askubuntu.com/questions/165688/how-do-i-get-the-browser-to-reask-me-to-integrate-with-a-website
[21:28] <greg-g> chrom has it too, you know
[21:28] <greg-g> chrom*
[21:28] <rick_h> apt-cache search unity-webapp*
[21:28] <rick_h> yea, but it doesn't bug me about installing anything
[21:29] <rick_h> http://askubuntu.com/questions/169282/how-to-manage-unity-webapps-chromium-extension-different-options
[21:31] <greg-g> sudo apt-get remove unity-webapps* did the trick, too :)
[21:41] <rick_h> heh
[22:47] <greg-g> why doesn't Ubuntu One preserve file access/created timestamps?
[22:56] <jrwren> does it run as non-root?
[23:04] <greg-g> correct, but I believe I've used that flag with rsync without root (I think)
[23:04] <greg-g> (the -t flag)
[23:54] <jrwren> maybe, but it doesnt' actually work.
[23:54] <jrwren> timestamping files is a privileged operation