[16:11] <scott-work> final release discussion for ardour 3.0 http://ardour.org/node/5682
[16:11] <holstein> woohoo!
[16:26] <ttoine> yes !
[16:27] <ttoine> scott-work, zequence, knome, I had a chat with pleia2 from the xubuntu team, she gave me the email of the person who help her to get the @xubuntu for their community. I just sent an email to this contact, I hope that it wil help
[16:27] <scott-work> very cool
[16:31] <len-dt> How long before ardour3 makes it to debian?
[16:31] <len-dt> (after release)
[16:32] <falktx> ardour doesnt like to be packaged
[16:32] <falktx> it goes against their source of revenue (downloads asking for donations)
[16:32] <falktx> but there's already an ardour3 package in debian-multimedia
[16:33] <falktx> just waiting for the "ok, now it's safe to package" from the devs
[16:33] <falktx> len-dt: so I say, although ardour devs might not be very happy with it, it should only take a few days or weeks after official release
[16:36] <len-dt> Sounds good.
[16:37] <len-dt> I understand how they feel, but I also feel that US should come with ardour and that it should be up to date.
[16:37] <len-dt> However, I have set up our menu in such a way that the user can install the original package and it will show up in the right place.
[16:38] <len-dt> If a user is having trouble getting support they can install the ardour site version and go from there.
[16:39] <len-dt> To put it another way... if it was easy to do, I would be happy to ship our ISO with the ardour site version.
[16:39] <len-dt> I don't think it will ever be though.
[16:40] <ttoine> len-dt, would it be possible to create a kink of "donate screen" in US ?
[16:41] <len-dt> ttoine, There is a longer story that that I think.
[16:41] <ttoine> a kind of
[16:42] <len-dt> Ubuntu uses deb source to make ubuntu packages. to do that we would have to do what happens with the flash installer
[16:42] <ttoine> and this is not possible ?
[16:42] <len-dt> We would create a package that just downloads and installs ardour
[16:43] <len-dt> we would have to coodinate with ardour because it is not a licence issue
[16:43] <len-dt> they want people to see their screens on their site with links to their donate software.
[16:43] <len-dt> this is fundamentally different than the flash instance
[16:44] <len-dt> Generally in Ubuntu an open source version is desirable
[16:44] <len-dt> And it does exist. So it is the first choice
[16:49] <len-dt> ttoine, in other words I don't think we would be able to ship the ardour version.
[16:50] <ttoine> ok
[16:50] <ttoine> But I was not thinking about that
[16:50] <ttoine> I was more thinking about a general donate screen, not only for ardour
[16:51] <len-dt> I don't know what the legal aspect of that is. I will note there is no such thing anywhere else in Ubuntu. 
[16:52] <len-dt> Our biggest lack in my opinion, is time... people's time.
[16:52] <len-dt> Money is not really an issue.
[16:53] <ttoine> yes
[16:54] <ttoine> but it was just to make a kind of reminder for user that yes it is free (so free of charge, too) but maybe they can contribute a bit to the projects they use
[16:54] <len-dt> Having a page on our website that has links to pages of the software we use where people could donate might be ok.
[16:54] <ttoine> it is a good idea
[16:55] <len-dt> I think we have a contribute to Studio page where we ask for help.
[16:55] <len-dt> that may be a good place to link from.
[17:08] <len-dt> ttoine, there is a link from the main menu to our contribute page (or there could be, I think right now it goes to the dev mailing list page)
[17:08] <ttoine> yes
[17:09] <ttoine> len-dt, should I add this in PR blueprint ?
[17:09] <len-dt> I think that is valid. both repointing the menu item to the correct page and expanding the contribute page.
[17:20] <ttoine> hum
[17:20] <ttoine> I can't add a work items...
[17:21] <ttoine> scott-work, I can't add a workitem on the PR blueprint.
[17:22] <len-dt> are you logged in?
[17:27] <scott-work> ttoine: hmmm, as long as you are logged in it should work
[18:46] <ttoine> knome, zequence, len-dt, could you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ttoine ?
[18:46] <ttoine> I would like to become a "Member" and would have your opinion on my wiki page ?
[18:49] <knome> ttoine, the lists in "contributions" aren't working correctly, for starters
[18:56] <knome> ttoine, fixed it. will add a testimony later
[19:10] <ttoine> knome, oh, thank you very much