| ochosi | ok, so the point was (now for everyone to read): do we want a png-icon-theme by default | 14:41 |
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| GridCube | whats the difference with non png icon themes? | 14:41 |
| ochosi | png is much faster | 14:42 |
| GridCube | thats good | 14:42 |
| ochosi | it increases performance visibly | 14:42 |
| GridCube | more good | 14:42 |
| ochosi | but there are two problems with it: | 14:42 |
| ochosi | 1) it doesn't get scaled, so i have to draw lots of missing icon-sizes | 14:42 |
| ochosi | 2) it's much larger in filesizes, ~2times the size | 14:42 |
| ochosi | so it'd be ~55mb instead of 27mb | 14:42 |
| SkippersBoss | What is the speed difference. | 14:43 |
| pleia2 | I think strategy document wise, we stick with non-png | 14:43 |
| ochosi | so that brings up the question whether we should go for a 1gb image instead of the CD image | 14:43 |
| ochosi | because making 25 extra mb isn't all-too-realistic | 14:43 |
| pleia2 | we're not going for fast over usability, I can imagine all the "missing icons" bugs :\ | 14:43 |
| SkippersBoss | I do not think after the search for bites for the last release we can afford it | 14:44 |
| mr_pouit | (nick was able toto see a visible speed increase even with an i5 or something very recent) | 14:44 |
| ochosi | pleia2: well, no missing icons, they'd just be e.g. too large :} no, but i'm willing to work on that | 14:44 |
| SkippersBoss | Can we update ubottuto relay all them bug reports to ochosi | 14:44 |
| GridCube | ochosi, oh... but space its a HUGE concern, unless we choose to go dvd and no cd size anymore | 14:45 |
| GridCube | i mean, we drop languages for space, languages | 14:45 |
| SkippersBoss | I second that | 14:45 |
| ochosi | GridCube: well yes, that's the point of the discussion | 14:45 |
| SkippersBoss | not only languages | 14:45 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: I use a lot of wrong size icons that scale nicely, I imagine a lot of people do and it would be a pretty obvious visual regression | 14:45 |
| ochosi | SkippersBoss: all theme and icon-bugs already go to me | 14:45 |
| SkippersBoss | :-) | 14:45 |
| GridCube | im sorry bug space its more important than speed on my book | 14:45 |
| ochosi | pleia2: what do you mean? you _consciously_ use wrong-size icons? =) | 14:45 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: I just clicky clicky to find a nice icon to match what I put in my panel, I don't much pay attention to the size | 14:46 |
| GridCube | i usually just get 256x256 icons and they scale nicely | 14:46 |
| ochosi | pleia2: in the panel they'd be scaled i think. it's more about menus | 14:47 |
| ochosi | pleia2: so it's less about app-icons than gtk-actions and gtk-stock in general | 14:47 |
| pleia2 | and I think it would be impossible to track down every use of every size of icon in whatever people are using for panels/docks/whatever additional thing they're adding to make xfce work they way they want it to | 14:47 |
| pleia2 | (plus it would increase the size even more) | 14:47 |
| ochosi | the faenza-icon theme proves you wrong | 14:48 |
| ochosi | (i mean faenza icon-theme :)) | 14:48 |
| ochosi | it's definitely not impossible | 14:49 |
| pleia2 | ok | 14:49 |
| ochosi | but i'm not willing to even start working on this unless we have a clear decision, that's why i thought i'd bring it up (again) | 14:50 |
| ochosi | partly also because NSchermer wrote a script to convert the theme to png | 14:50 |
| GridCube | if its more space consuming, no. | 14:50 |
| ochosi | which means we can maintain it as svg and ship it as png | 14:50 |
| ochosi | GridCube: you're worrying about 25mb of free space? | 14:51 |
| knome | the thing is, we decided that we should fit a CD for Q, meaning we should try to do that for the next LTS too | 14:51 |
| SkippersBoss | ochosi, not if the next release will be on DVD | 14:51 |
| GridCube | ochosi, the problem is, im sure there are going to be lots of other space consuming things, if there are, every bit counts | 14:52 |
| knome | it is of course open for discussion, but we already have done one release with the CD-target | 14:52 |
| knome | we might be able to drop python2 from R | 14:52 |
| SkippersBoss | euh ?? hmm | 14:52 |
| GridCube | id prefer less speed, for more options on the install cd, namely langs | 14:52 |
| ochosi | the point is that xubuntu will be always slow, not just on the install-cd | 14:53 |
| knome | depends on the speed difference | 14:53 |
| ochosi | the options you're talking about only affect the one-time process of installing | 14:53 |
| SkippersBoss | Knome has a point in does R need to be released on CD | 14:53 |
| ochosi | (juist saying) | 14:53 |
| GridCube | ochosi, i do understand that. Can't it be made a -png package that you can install to replace -svg icons? like "for reasons of space we ship this svg icons that make the system slower, if you want fastiness, try xubuntu-icons-png" | 14:54 |
| knome | that sounds like something i wouldn't want to do | 14:55 |
| ochosi | +1 | 14:56 |
| ochosi | k, g2g now, prolly bbl | 14:57 |
| bluesabre_ | oh how far we have come. http://chrishaney.com/?linux&release=Xubuntu%206.10 | 18:49 |
| knome | heh | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | oh nice, knome already made the switch to 12.10 on our website | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | <3 | 18:51 |
| knome | haha, sure | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2012/11/xubuntu-1210-day-1-first-impressions.html | 18:52 |
| knome | feel free to add to the press page | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | and as always http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xubuntu-12-10-Has-Been-Officially-Released-Screenshot-Tour-300260.shtml | 18:52 |
| knome | :) | 18:53 |
| * pleia2 gets to adding | 18:53 | |
| knome | thanks | 18:53 |
| pleia2 | getting new screenshots is also on my todo list | 18:53 |
| pleia2 | I'll try to get to it today | 18:53 |
| * astraljava didn't have the privilege of using Xubuntu back in the Edgy times, yet. | 18:54 | |
| astraljava | Didn't look _too_ bad. | 18:54 |
| knome | pleia2, cheers! | 18:54 |
| pleia2 | knome: also will review the mailing list settings | 18:54 |
| knome | woohoo | 18:54 |
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