[09:31] <testingone> hi guys, are any software developers/ programmers running lubuntu here/
[09:51] <philipballew> kexibq, many are
[15:44]  * pmatulis wonders why it takes 20 seconds for the f/f downloads window to close...
[18:23] <zuperman> hello
[18:23] <zuperman> hello
[18:23] <zuperman> i have problem
[18:23] <zuperman> i tried to install lubuntu
[18:23] <zuperman> from regular .iso
[18:23] <zuperman> but it failed
[18:23] <zuperman> then i tried alternate install
[18:23] <zuperman> and it fails at select and install sofrware
[18:23] <zuperman> i tried nomodeset
[18:24] <zuperman> but can't  do anything
[18:24] <zuperman> help?
[18:24] <holstein> zuperman: i would get to the live desktop.. can you get to the live desktop?
[18:24] <zuperman> no, that's the problem
[18:25] <zuperman> i finish installation
[18:25] <zuperman> and try to start x
[18:25] <holstein> zuperman: i would expect the same support from the live CD as the install
[18:25] <holstein> zuperman: does nomodeset work for the live CD?
[18:25] <zuperman> no, i'm installing from usb stick
[18:25] <zuperman> alternate install
[18:25] <zuperman> has no live session
[18:26] <holstein> zuperman: i would get to the desktop using a live CD.. or USB
[18:26] <holstein> zuperman: if not.. then install the alternate, and let me know when you get the desktop installed
[18:27] <holstein> it can be tricky using alternate iso's and USB sticks
[18:27] <zuperman> that's problem holstein
[18:27] <holstein> zuperman: corret
[18:27] <zuperman> i CAN'T install desktop
[18:27] <holstein> zuperman: why?
[18:27] <zuperman> it fails to install it
[18:27] <holstein> zuperman: i would expect the same results and failures
[18:28] <zuperman> it fails at step "select and install software"
[18:28] <holstein> zuperman: the live one?
[18:28] <holstein> zuperman:  would make a USB stick with the live CD
[18:28] <zuperman> i tried before
[18:28] <holstein> i would *not* select or choose to download *anything* during the install
[18:28] <zuperman> but it can't install it
[18:28] <holstein> in fact, i would skip setting up the network til after install
[18:28] <zuperman> regular live cd fails at some point
[18:28] <holstein> zuperman: have you tried as i mentioned above?
[18:29] <zuperman> i tried that all
[18:29] <holstein> zuperman: fire it up, and let me know where
[18:29] <holstein> zuperman: ok
[18:29] <zuperman> so, it installs base system
[18:29] <zuperman> and if i finish install at that point
[18:29] <zuperman> it boots to command line
[18:29] <zuperman> no gui
[18:29] <zuperman> when i try to "start x"
[18:29] <zuperman> it returns error
[18:29] <holstein> zuperman: ok.. thast differnt than what i am understanding
[18:29] <zuperman> something like
[18:30] <holstein> you *do* install... the installer doesnt fail.. correct? you have lubuntu instaled?
[18:30] <holstein> zuperman: is that correct? you have an installation?
[18:30] <zuperman> yes
[18:30] <holstein> zuperman: OK
[18:30] <holstein> zuperman: are you online?
[18:30] <zuperman> but no gui
[18:30] <zuperman> yes, on other computer
[18:31] <holstein> zuperman: the machine that has no gui.. log in and see that you are online
[18:31] <zuperman> how?
[18:31] <holstein> zuperman: i would type the username in where it asks... input the user password
[18:31] <zuperman> aw, i did it
[18:31] <zuperman> when it boots up
[18:31] <zuperman> i tupe ussername
[18:31] <holstein> then i would run 'ping -c 8 google.com'
[18:32] <holstein> see that you are online ^^
[18:32] <zuperman> ok, wait, to go to other room
[18:32] <zuperman> just a sec
[18:32] <holstein> nt to state the obvious.. but you will need to be hard wired to the internet at this point
[18:34] <holstein> zuperman: hello?
[18:34] <holstein> zuperman: just boot the machine up to the prompt, input the username and the password.. and google something real quick to see if its online
[18:35] <holstein> you can check that the network cable is plugged in
[18:36] <zuperman> hey
[18:36] <zuperman> im online
[18:36] <holstein> in the same place you pinged... input
[18:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[18:36] <holstein> press the enter key
[18:36] <holstein> then...
[18:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[18:36] <zuperman> upgrade
[18:36] <zuperman> oh...
[18:36] <zuperman> ok
[18:36] <zuperman> brb
[18:36] <holstein> press the enterkey and report errors
[18:39] <zuperman> ok
[18:39] <zuperman> the following packages have unmet dependencies...
[18:39] <zuperman> and then list of packages
[18:39] <holstein> zuperman: what iso did you use?.. did you test it?
[18:39] <holstein> !md5
[18:39] <holstein> zuperman: try this..
[18:40] <holstein> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[18:40] <zuperman> ok. wait a sec
[18:40] <holstein> sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop
[18:41] <zuperman> i have aptitude
[18:41] <zuperman> installed
[18:43] <holstein> zuperman: sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop
[18:44] <zuperman> it shows me some dependencies issues
[18:44] <zuperman> and asks me if i want to proceed
[18:45] <holstein> zuperman: back out and try
[18:45] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde
[18:48] <zuperman> unable to locate package lxde
[18:48] <zuperman> :/
[18:48] <holstein> zuperman: sudo apt-get install lxde-common
[18:49] <holstein> zuperman: try and just type that in right now
[18:49] <holstein> and see what happens
[18:49] <zuperman> has no installation candidate
[18:50] <holstein> zuperman: if it were my box, i would confirm the iso
[18:50] <holstein> what should you do?
[18:50] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[18:50] <holstein> report any errors
[18:50] <holstein> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[18:50] <zuperman> no errors on update
[18:50] <holstein> report errors.. reboot
[18:50] <zuperman> ok...
[18:50] <holstein> zuperman: im going to give you ave 4 things
[18:50] <holstein> take note and do them in order
[18:51] <zuperman> ok
[18:51] <holstein> sudo apt-get get update
[18:51] <holstein> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[18:51] <holstein> reboot
[18:52] <holstein> sudo reboot (this will reboot from the command prompt)
[18:52] <holstein> sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop
[18:52] <holstein> report errors...
[18:52] <zuperman> ok. brb
[18:56] <zuperman> it goes like this:
[18:56] <zuperman> upgrade does nothing
[18:57] <zuperman> 0 packages will be updated... so on
[18:57] <zuperman> i do sudo reboot
[18:57] <zuperman> try installing ubuntu desktop
[18:57] <zuperman> it asks something
[18:57] <zuperman> some dependency issues
[18:57] <zuperman> i enter "y"
[18:57] <holstein> i said nothing about entering y
[18:57] <zuperman> it then asks something
[18:57] <holstein> i said
[18:58] <holstein> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[18:58] <holstein> then report errors
[18:58] <zuperman> nono, safe-upgrade
[18:58] <zuperman> goes with no errors
[18:58] <holstein> ok
[18:58] <zuperman> but it upgrades 0 packages
[18:58] <holstein> then.. sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop
[18:58] <zuperman> i did it...
[18:58] <holstein> ok
[18:58] <zuperman> i just told u that
[18:59] <zuperman> it asks to confirm
[18:59] <zuperman> and in the end
[18:59] <holstein> zuperman: sure
[18:59] <holstein> zuperman: no errors though.. correct?
[18:59] <holstein> you'll be asked to confirm
[18:59] <zuperman> no, but it asks for cd
[18:59] <zuperman> in the end
[18:59] <zuperman> lubuntu 12.10 cd
[18:59] <holstein> well, you can put that cd in if you'd like
[18:59] <holstein> but i would look at...
[18:59] <zuperman> wants me to insert it in /media/cdrom
[19:00] <zuperman> i did it
[19:00] <holstein> ok.. and it wont work
[19:00] <zuperman> it spins, but it cant read it
[19:00] <holstein> sure.. whatever
[19:00] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:00] <zuperman> sec
[19:02] <holstein> # is a comment... means commented out
[19:02] <holstein> if you see lines referring to CD, put a # in front of the lines
[19:02] <holstein> the question is... how did this get screwed up..
[19:02] <holstein> that is more of an issue
[19:02] <holstein> what would i do?
[19:03] <zuperman> nano: command not found
[19:03] <holstein> i would download the 12.04 live desktop version
[19:03] <holstein> verify the iso
[19:03] <holstein> install.. and enjoy
[19:03] <holstein> zuperman: sudo apt-get install nano
[19:03] <zuperman> ok, its LTS?
[19:03] <zuperman> 12.04?
[19:03] <holstein> zuperman: 12.04 is lts... lubuntu has no lts
[19:03] <zuperman> oh...
[19:03] <zuperman> ok :)
[19:04] <zuperman> this was my first attempt to install lubuntu
[19:04] <zuperman> i used ubuntu
[19:04] <holstein> zuperman: you can just insatll ubuntu
[19:04] <holstein> and install lubuntu desktop
[19:04] <holstein> zuperman: or lxde
[19:04] <holstein> zuperman: do what is easy,a nd what works...
[19:04] <zuperman> i can, but i have question
[19:04] <holstein> i think you might have bad iso's
[19:04] <zuperman> if i install ubuntu, and lubuntu desktop or lxde
[19:04] <holstein> you can verify them from the boot menu pressing shift.. or
[19:05] <holstein> !md5 | zuperman
[19:05] <zuperman> will it work
[19:05] <zuperman> for older computer
[19:05] <holstein> zuperman: i can only say what works for me.. doing what you have already tried works for me
[19:05] <zuperman> whats faster?
[19:05] <holstein> zuperman: not sure what issues you are specifically encountering
[19:05] <zuperman> i want light os
[19:05] <holstein> zuperman: the machine will get no faster... lubuntu is a light OS
[19:06] <zuperman> i have amd 2000+ processor, 756 RAM
[19:06] <zuperman> and ati radeon all in wonder 9000 card
[19:06] <zuperman> ...
[19:06] <zuperman> it has 64 MB's
[19:06] <holstein> should be fine with whatever you choose
[19:07] <zuperman> so, ubuntu, then lubuntu-desktop?
[19:07] <holstein> zuperman: whatever is easy and works
[19:07] <holstein> zuperman: if you cant install lubuntu, just install ubuntu minimal and add
[19:07] <holstein> which is currently what seems to be failing for you
[19:07] <holstein> if you have installed ubuntu before, and that works, do that
[19:07] <zuperman> ubuntu minimal... where to find it?
[19:08] <zuperman> its another iso or..?
[19:08] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:08] <zuperman> ok, thanks
[19:08] <zuperman> ill try that
[19:09] <zuperman> so, install minimal cd, like regular, get to classic session,
[19:09] <zuperman> and install lubuntu-desktop?
[19:11] <zuperman> oh, and, can i make bootable usb with minimal cd iso? or it has to be cd?
[19:18] <holstein> zuperman: you install ubuntu, from the mini iso
[19:18] <holstein> then, you install lubuntu-desktop or whatever you like
[19:19] <holstein> zuperman: usb should work fine