[00:03] <drhodesmumby> Google Music is here!
[00:09] <AlanBell> I can't hear it
[00:09] <AlanBell> turn it up a bit
[00:29] <directhex> lumia 920 sim-free price appears. £520 @_@
[00:29] <AlanBell> that sounds like lots
[00:32] <directhex> well it's less than a sim-free iphone 5 with the same quantity of memory (32G)
[00:32] <directhex> but still, ouch
[00:34] <directhex> i'm considering trading in the 800, since wp7 is a dead ecosystem. my choices are an affordable (<£250) phone - essentially a choice between the nexus 4 or htc 8s - or an expensive phone - the usual suspects at >£400
[00:35] <directhex> android remains worse than hitler. ios remains ios. but do i want to reward microsoft's "no you can't upgrade to wp8" dickery by buying wp8?
[00:35] <directhex> blackberry is dead. symbian is deader
[00:37] <directhex> tl;dr: bees
[01:15] <ali1234> Azelphur: do you really expect to be able to sell that second hand for more than the price of a new nexus 4??
[01:21] <Azelphur> yep
[01:22] <Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S3-16gb-Pebble-Blue-Unlocked-and-Rooted-plus-64gb-micro-sdxc-card-/181016885083?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2a2572775b
[01:22] <Azelphur> here's one going for more than a nexus 4, in usa (where the phones are cheaper) and without a dock
[01:23] <Azelphur> heck, even a simple search does fine http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Mobile-Smart-Phones-/9355/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=galaxy+s3&LH_PrefLoc=1&rt=nc&LH_Auction=1 :)
[03:20] <ali1234> i just think it will be a hard sell
[08:56] <daubers> Morning
[08:57] <diplo> Morning
[08:58] <Laney> bah
[08:58] <Laney> google's website kept crapping out while i was trying to order a nexus 4
[08:58] <Laney> looks suspiciously like they've sold out now
[08:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:59] <czajkowski> Laney: it didn't like you :p
[09:02] <daubers> popey: Good news! https://sites.google.com/site/pauldunn/home <- Speccy basic for RPi
[09:02] <Laney> but i have no phone at all :(
[09:02] <daubers> (and other disties)
[09:06] <popey> hah daubers
[09:06] <popey> Laney, yeah, out of 8GB and 16GB now..
[09:06] <popey> madness
[09:06] <Laney> woe
[09:06] <Laney> it just kept giving me weird errors
[09:06] <Laney> There is an error in the setup for your purchase. Please contact the merchant with this error message: Expected 3  components in jwt:
[09:11] <NET||abuse> wow, updated to nvidia 310.14 binary last night as i was just so sick of the 304.43 in nvidia-current,
[09:11] <NET||abuse> it's working really nicely
[09:11] <jacobw> morning
[09:11] <NET||abuse> my whole machine seems faster
[09:11] <NET||abuse> well, we'll see how i feel by lunch time :)
[09:12] <NET||abuse> dock and dual external monitor working perfectly.
[09:12] <jacobw> cool
[09:12] <xnox> Laney: did you opt in for the email thing? /me only sees "Comming soon"
[09:12] <NET||abuse> sleep resume worked
[09:12] <NET||abuse> really happy with this.
[09:12] <NET||abuse> so far :0
[09:12] <diplo> I was so tempted for the N4, now I know others are getting one I'll let them guinea pig it :)
[09:12] <jacobw> almost as good as gnome2?
[09:13] <diplo> NET||abuse: How did you enable it ?
[09:13] <diplo> Tried at home ( not very hard ) and it didn't offer 310 as an update
[09:13] <NET||abuse> diplo: manual
[09:14] <NET||abuse> diplo: download from nvidia's drivers site
[09:14] <Laney> xnox: yes, i got one
[09:15] <xnox> Laney: email or nexus4?
[09:15] <Laney> emal
[09:15] <Laney> i
[09:15] <NET||abuse> go to a tty console, sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current nvidia-settings; sudo service lightdm stop; [ps aux | grep X and then kill any xorg] then in your download location sudo sh ./NVIDIA-blahdebal.run;
[09:15] <NET||abuse> requirements, linux-source and headers, gcc
[09:15] <NET||abuse> then sudo shutdown -r now; and your done :)
[09:16] <NET||abuse> but just hte main thing,, THIS IS AT YOUR OWN RISK;; tm
[09:17] <popey> erk
[09:17] <popey> i wouldn't do that
[09:17] <NET||abuse> oh?
[09:18] <popey> there's a package for it in the x edgers ppa
[09:18] <NET||abuse> oh, forgot to add step, sudo update-initramfs -u
[09:18] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[09:18] <popey> way better than doing it manually
[09:18] <NET||abuse> yeh, i guess. but i'm comfortable using nvidia's installer, done it for years.
[09:19] <popey> you might be, but I wouldn't recommend others to do it
[09:19] <popey> will you support them when it breaks?
[09:19] <NET||abuse> true, that's why AT YOUR OWN RISK tm
[09:19] <popey> at the end of explaining it :)
[09:19] <diplo> I used to do that, but it was a pita
[09:20] <NET||abuse> but your right, probably a much better idea to use even a ppa
[09:20] <NET||abuse> but hey, so far so good for me :) i'm on an NVS 4200M
[09:21] <NET||abuse> was gonna try to use the 304.64 driver, but this one was interesting after seeing some news about 310 doubling performance on some cards
[09:23] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:23] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[09:23] <selinuxium> Morning o/
[09:29] <Wobbo> Anyone knows about showing the battery panel at ubuntu 12.10? I can't find it and i am using a laptop so its rather important.
[09:29] <Wobbo> I am using Ubuntu Classic 12.10 on my laptop.
[09:30] <popey> Wobbo, ubuntu classic?
[09:31] <Wobbo> Yes?
[09:33] <Wobbo> what's wrong?
[09:34] <Wobbo> Well it doesn't matter that both of them doesn't show the battery on a laptop.
[09:36] <popey> Wobbo, I don't know what you mean by "ubuntu classic" that's all
[09:37] <Wobbo> oh okay
[09:38] <diplo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/213777/are-the-newly-launched-nvidia-drivers-supported-in-ubuntu-or-will-they-be
[09:38] <diplo> How do I get Additional Drivers to pop up, feel like I'm being stupid
[09:38] <DJones> System settings -> Additional drivers
[09:39] <diplo> not there, guessed it would be there
[09:39] <SuperMatt> it's in software sources now
[09:39] <diplo> Ah, Software Sources ( Addiotional Drivers ) that was very easy to find ( not )
[09:39] <SuperMatt> agreed
[09:39] <SuperMatt> it's a silly place to be
[09:40] <SuperMatt> I should just be able to search the dash for "drivers"
[09:40] <diplo> Additional*
[09:40] <diplo> yeah I thought that as well, or additional or proprietary
[09:40] <SuperMatt> at the moment, I just get golf clubs
[09:40] <diplo> Seems it doesn't want to be found
[09:40] <SuperMatt> I think just drivers is fine
[09:41] <SuperMatt> why would anyone want to search for additional or preprietary drivers if they don't know what they are?
[09:41] <diplo> What I would like is to launch an app after installing something from USC
[09:41] <diplo> Because that's what the package is called ?
[09:42]  * popey files a bug
[09:42] <popey> easily fixable
[09:42] <SuperMatt> the drivers thing?
[09:43] <popey> yes
[09:43] <SuperMatt> yeah, I figured that you just add another keyword
[09:43] <popey> exactly
[09:44] <SuperMatt> it's certainly something that should be in there by default
[09:44] <SuperMatt> what I'd like is a tool which I can point at the latest nvidia or ati drivers download and it does the install for me
[09:45] <diplo> Rebooting..
[09:45] <DJones> Is there any difference in the way Software Centre and Synaptic package manger work? I find I still prefer Synaptic to software centre, just wondered if there was any difference
[09:46] <SuperMatt> there are so obvious differences
[09:46] <SuperMatt> software centre queues up changes, for instance
[09:46] <SuperMatt> synaptic does it all in on go
[09:52] <diplo> I never liked Synaptic
[09:52] <SuperMatt> I do
[09:52] <diplo> It was always CLI before, and I'd say 50/50 for me now with USC
[09:53] <DJones> Doesn't seem to be much difference, both front ends for apt-get, most commenst are just that that software centre is just a simpler (for the user) package manage system
[09:53] <SuperMatt> indeed
[09:53] <DJones> s/commenst/comments/
[09:54] <DJones> I think I'll stick with synaptic for now, at least until it gets dropped at some point in the future
[09:54] <SuperMatt> well, you do have to install it manually these days
[09:55] <DJones> Probably just a  case of "I'm used to it" and "I'm stuck in the dark ages" :)
[09:55] <SuperMatt> mayhap
[09:58] <DJones> Ah well, lets see how well this machine creates a dvd with k3b
[09:58]  * SuperMatt tends to avoid any and all software that starts with a k#
[09:59] <SuperMatt> -#
[09:59] <jpds> SuperMatt: kernel?
[09:59] <jpds> Good luck with that.
[10:00] <SuperMatt> ¬.¬
[10:00] <SuperMatt> you know what I mean
[10:00] <DJones> Again, it something I've always prefered for creating cd/dvd's, just used to it, tried gnomebaker/brasero but couldn't get comfortable with them
[10:00] <mungojerry> k3b is the best cd writing software in my experience
[10:00] <mungojerry> brasero created too many coasters over the years
[10:01] <DJones> You can never have too many coasters though, you never know when you need to put a drink down
[10:01] <SuperMatt> I've only had brasero coaster on me when I've used it during a beta
[10:02] <mungojerry> there were entire releases of ubuntu where brasero failed to produce a cd for a lot of people
[10:03] <mungojerry> e.g. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/fix-the-brasero-copyburn-error
[10:03] <SuperMatt> I would confess that I haven't had any issues recently, but that wouldn't be truthful because I tend to just write ubuntu images to USB stick these days
[10:03] <SuperMatt> brasero barely gets a look in
[10:04] <mungojerry> i burn cds for the car
[10:04] <mungojerry> and for my son
[10:14] <Wobbo> Ubuntu 12.04 Nautilus doesn't look right. It's rather looking like Dedian or something. This happen sings I had an update... Any tips to get it back?
[10:18] <NET||abuse> hmm, having fun with my laptop, when i have it in the dock, once a day it decides to just continuously go into hibernation.
[10:18] <NET||abuse> i bring it back up and i get the unlock my screen, about 5 or so seconds back at my desktop and then it hibernates again.
[10:19] <NET||abuse> stoping and starting lighdm stops it happening,, until the next time.
[10:19] <NET||abuse> only since installing ubuntu again (was on fedora 16)
[10:20] <NET||abuse> nice thing is it comes up out of hibernation pretty perfectly!
[10:20] <NET||abuse> over and over again, but still...
[10:33] <BigRedS> well, at least it's not fedora :)
[10:41] <awilkins> Having some problem with mounted drives
[10:42] <awilkins> nautilus can see inside my mounted drive in /media but my shell can't
[10:43] <awilkins> Hmm, running a root shell, now I have permission to enter the mountpoint, but it's empty
[10:44] <awilkins> aaaah
[10:44] <awilkins> I get it, the mountpoint scheme has changed in Quantal
[10:44] <awilkins>  /media/[user]/mountpoint
[10:55] <DJones> Does anybody have LIbreOffice Calc to hand, if so, could you check something for me, if you put a border on a cell of a single line at the top and a double line at the bottom, although it prints correctly, does it show the double underline on screen? On this machine, it doesn't show (with 12.04 and Libre office calc v 3.5.4.2)
[10:55] <DJones> Just wondering if its graphic drivers on this machine, or a bug
[11:01] <awilkins> DJones : I got it to work but to be apparent on the screen you need to fiddle with the width
[11:03] <DJones> Cheers, just installing from the ppa to see if a bug fix was released
[11:03] <awilkins> DJones: it seems rather a flaky feature, if you revisit the cell the line defaults back to 1 line again
[11:04] <awilkins> Pretty much the same on Windows
[11:04] <awilkins> THe double line shows up as a double solid line by default
[11:05] <DJones> I'l see what happens after this update
[11:05] <awilkins> May come out OK in the print but I can't be bothered to burn toner to see :-)
[11:05] <awilkins> Anyway, it's Bond Time
[11:05]  * awilkins dons tuxedo and Walther PP9 holster
[11:06]  * DJones superglues awilkins to his desk
[11:06] <DJones> Oh not that type of bond ....
[11:15] <DJones> awilkins: Upgrading using the LibreOffice PPA has fixed the bug, bow shows as a thick line
[11:37] <BigRedS> awilkins: yeah, but nobody thought to leave symlinks lying around so loads of stuff breaks
[12:08] <Laney> should I get an SIII instead of waiting for google to pull their fingers out?
[12:08] <theopensourcerer> I like my S3 is that helps
[12:08] <theopensourcerer> s\if
[12:09] <Laney> could get one for 320 from amazon marketplace
[12:10] <theopensourcerer> That sounds like a good price
[12:10] <Laney> used, but warranty
[12:11] <Azelphur> Laney: I'm selling a S3 if you want one
[12:11] <theopensourcerer> The N4 is cheap though = £239/269
[12:11] <theopensourcerer> 279
[12:11] <Laney> can't get it though
[12:11] <theopensourcerer> Ah
[12:11] <Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-GT-I9300-16-GB-Pebble-Blue-Unlocked-64GB-SD-Dock-/261127286954?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3ccc6630aa#shId
[12:11] <Azelphur> I'd do it for 320 if you wanted it
[12:12] <diplo> theopensourcerer: Joomla installed last night, will play tonight hopefully
[12:12] <diplo> Any tips on what not to do ? :P
[12:12] <theopensourcerer> Have fun diplo
[12:12] <theopensourcerer> Don't break it ;-)
[12:12] <directhex> wireless charging on nexus 4 is a big draw
[12:12] <diplo> Going to do something very odd tinhgt
[12:13] <diplo> tonight*
[12:13] <theopensourcerer> directhex: the batt on the S3 is great.
[12:13] <diplo> I'm actually going to read the documentation and learn how to use it before breaking it
[12:13] <Laney> Azelphur: hmm, will think about it, cheers
[12:13] <Azelphur> :)
[12:13] <Laney> i'm irritated with the whole nexus ordering business
[12:13] <czajkowski> Laney: someone has a few on sale on a list as they over clicked :)
[12:14] <Laney> who and how much?
[12:17] <theopensourcerer> diplo: Just saw this wizz past on twitter. A joomla! shopping site: http://boutique.heathrow.com/
[12:17] <DJones> Laney: +1 for the S3, agree with theopensourcerer  about the battery, under normal use, mine doesn't drop below 75%
[12:17] <Laney> \o/
[12:19] <diplo> That's done with Joomla theopensourcerer ?
[12:19] <theopensourcerer> Yes + Virtuemart
[12:20] <diplo> blimey..
[12:20]  * diplo has some work to do
[12:20] <diplo> :D
[12:21] <theopensourcerer> Want me show you some I have made recently
[12:21] <theopensourcerer> ?
[12:21] <diplo> Please, could do with inspiration :)
[12:21] <diplo> Do you hack the code much apart from CSS, or do you try and use the backend for most ?
[12:42] <Wobbo> Ik heb een aantal ppa software bronnen, die ik nodig had voor de vorige Ubuntu. Sinds de update van 12.04  naar  12.10 sort dit voor problemen. Via synaptic can ik de niet helemaal weghalen. Sommige eisen dat ik bijvoorbeeld ubuntu-desktop verwijder...
[12:44] <Wobbo> Ik wil gewoon alles van LP-PPA-gnome3-team-gnome3/quantal er van af!
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: Verkeerde taal ;)
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: but you want ppa-purge
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: apt-get install ppa-purge
[12:46] <Wobbo> Yes...
[12:47] <Wobbo> Copy and paste...
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: sudo ppa-purge ppa:foo
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> or just ppa-purge --help of course
[12:57] <Wobbo> Not all is removed?
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: wat bedoel je?
[12:58] <Wobbo> For example the latest brasero is still there (v3.6.0-0).
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: it removes one PPA at a time
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> and reverts packages back to the "official" versions
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> or it can do anyway
[13:03] <Wobbo> Stuff like brasero, gimp, totem nautilus are still using updated version of LP-PPA-gnome3-team-gnome3/quantal.
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: what did you do? Can you put the contents of the terminal you did it in on pastebin? (see topic)
[13:20] <Wobbo> nvm, wtf pastebin?
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin
[13:21] <Wobbo> Thank you
[13:36] <Wobbo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355486/
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: W: Ophalen van http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/Release is mislukt  Unable to find expected entry 'quantal/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: You should select a different mirror in "Softwarecentrum"
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: in "Bewerken" -> "Softwarebronnen"
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: then "Downloaden van .. " -> Server voor Nederland
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> after that it should work
[15:14] <mungojerry> how do you unpublish posts from wordpress without deleting them?
[15:15] <mgdm> set them back to draft?
[15:17] <mungojerry> how does visibility private works?
[15:19] <mungojerry> ah http://codex.wordpress.org/Content_Visibility#Private_Content
[15:21] <christel> /3/13
[15:21] <christel> er
[15:33] <cocoa117> when u use both password protected and none password protected public/private key with SSH. Is there way to make SSH to auto select the right one?
[15:33] <cocoa117> or you have to use different user account to make this happening
[15:35] <daubers> cocoa117: There is a file you can edit to make defaults per host
[15:36] <cocoa117> daubers, ~/.ssh/config
[15:36] <cocoa117> ?
[15:36] <daubers> Probably
[15:36] <cocoa117> daubers, i guess i need to have multiple line in the authorized_keys right?
[15:38] <daubers> cocoa117: Pass :) It's been a while since I did such a thing
[15:39] <daubers> cocoa117: man ssh might help
[15:40] <cocoa117> daubers, no worries, i google around
[15:45] <popey> hmmm
[15:45] <popey> anyone any good at debugging samba issues?
[15:45] <daubers> popey: What's the issue?
[15:45] <popey> i can no longer see the samba share on my server
[15:45] <popey> the server can see it, if I run smbtree
[15:45] <popey> but the clients can't
[15:46] <daubers> can you connect to it directly (hit ctrl+l in nautilus and type in smb://192.168.blah.blah/sharename )
[15:46] <popey> yes!
[15:46] <popey> hmmm
[15:46] <popey> that'll do :)
[15:46] <daubers> Probably that distributed dns thing then
[15:46] <daubers> or avahi
[15:47] <popey> oh, could be, the only change is adding my webcam
[15:47] <popey> bet that broke it
[15:47] <daubers> More than likely :)
[15:47] <popey> ta
[15:47] <daubers> np
[15:48] <popey> i need to run a cable to my server, Ethernet over Power isn't keeping up
[15:49] <jpds> cocoa117: ~/.ssh/config, IdentityFile "~/.ssh/id_rsa_key2", etc, per Host.
[15:50] <cocoa117> jpds, i think i have figured it out, simply APPEND additional public keys to the auth_keys file, the ssh will automatically pick up the right one
[15:50] <X3N> Anyone know what the correct way to work around this issue is? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/932580
[16:51] <SuperMatt> so... what's the plan for selinux in ubuntu?
[16:59] <ali1234> SuperMatt: well, selinux pretty much just works on fedora, so i'm guessing the plan is to replace it with something that looks pretty and doesn't add any security?
[17:01] <SuperMatt> hah!
[17:01] <SuperMatt> love it :)
[17:02] <SuperMatt> I wonder if there is a lot of call of selinux in ubuntu server
[17:02] <SuperMatt> would be interesting to see if there are any stats on the number of times the packages have been downloaded
[17:02] <shauno> they appear to be more focused on rapid deployment / cloud deployment / etc
[17:03] <shauno> voodoo and juju and *aaS
[17:03] <SuperMatt> indeed
[17:09] <Laney> anyone ever had a filling give an electric shock type sensation when you touch it with a fork?
[17:09] <Laney> my new one does that :(
[17:09] <popey> SuperMatt, apparmor
[17:10] <SuperMatt> duh, of course
[17:10] <popey> X3N, might be better asking seb128 or didrocks in #ubuntu-unity or #ubuntu-desktop
[17:10] <SuperMatt> apparmor seems to a lot lighter weight than selinux
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> all the icons in my launcher seem to have moved very far up in it
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> I can only see the bottom of the bottom icon
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> and clicking it doesn't do anything
[17:23] <shauno> you have a scroll wheel?  give it a shot  (I remember doing that a few releases ago)
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> doesn't do a thing
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> click + hold + drag.. nothing
[17:30] <popey> screenshot?
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> *uploads*
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://i.imgur.com/uFgku.jpg
[17:33] <ali1234> what tools am i supposed to use to copy files off a psion on ubuntu?
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: a psion? isn't that very old?
[17:33] <ali1234> plptools is the only thing i can find in the repos and it is a joke
[17:34] <ali1234> you have to use a command line tool that wrks like ftp but does not support recursion
[17:38] <ali1234> then there is plpfuse... it makes cp segfault if you do cp -a or cp -r
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: does it look like something you know? :)
[17:41] <popey> ooh fun
[17:41] <popey> bug
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: compiz is eating 89% CPU as well
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> 90
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> all it can get really
[17:42] <popey> happened before?
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> once, in a dev release
[17:42] <popey> i cant find an existing bug
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> it happens after multiple weeks of uptime
[17:43] <popey> i have seen a report suggesting it can happen if you scroll up and down at the same time whilst hovered over the launcher
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Killing compiz != fix
[17:44] <popey> not sure how you do that
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> Restart unity != fix
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> logout + Login probably will fix it
[17:44] <popey> capture your .xsession-errors first
[17:44] <ali1234> i've got a compiz bug too - it stops drawing decorations on firefox windows after a couple of days
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> oh wait.. it's a visual thing.. after restarting unity. the _tooltips_ for the icons appear properly
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> not really properly.. but at least they appear.. and the tooltips change when I scroll my mousewheel
[18:50] <czajkowski> popey: http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=lightsaber
[18:51] <czajkowski> I have boughthttp://www.thinkgeek.com/product/b72c/?srp=3  in the past
[18:51] <czajkowski> they are pretty good
[18:52] <popey> :)
[18:53] <czajkowski> there is a decent bit of weight in them
[18:53] <czajkowski> not too heavy but when he's not playing with it you can
[18:53] <czajkowski> like what happens all of his toys and you :)
[19:17] <popey> no idea what you're talking about
[19:23] <SuperEngineer> In case anybody else here uses Hotot twitter client [like what I do], I got this little gift on starting it tonight: http://imagebin.org/235719
[19:24] <directhex> SuperEngineer, yep
[19:24] <popey> https://github.com/shellex/Hotot/issues/51
[19:25] <popey> https://github.com/shellex/Hotot/issues/308
[19:26] <popey> lots of people have the issue
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> thanks popey
[19:36]  * SuperEngineer expects firehose to be named as a first finger stab at credential stealing.. or am I too suspicious
[19:37] <popey> i think it's more firehose is the literal meaning
[19:37] <popey> of standing in front of the twitter firehose of tweets blasting at you
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> :)
[19:38] <AlanBell> that is what the API call is for that
[19:39]  * SuperEngineer investigates
[19:39] <AlanBell> you can't get it without twitters explicit permission though
[19:40] <AlanBell> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1.1#334
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: agreed
[19:40] <AlanBell> sample is pretty fast though
[19:40] <brunogirin> SuperEngineer: apart from that, how good is hotot? Gwibber never seems to work for me so I use the tweetdeck web client
[19:40] <AlanBell> https://stream.twitter.com/1.1/statuses/sample.json
[19:42] <AlanBell> log in with your twitter name and password and it will stream inane garbage to your browser in json format very fast
[19:42] <SuperEngineer> brunogirin: I use Hotot for much the same reason.. tried others, went back to Hotot [but the ppa as curent version in repo is not to my taste
[19:42] <brunogirin> why is that?
[19:43] <SuperEngineer> too buggy... but nicely fixed in ppa
[19:43] <SuperEngineer> [imho]
[19:43] <brunogirin> ok, I may try it then, thanks!
[19:44] <brunogirin> AlanBell: do you still have your "rate my rack" web site?
[19:44] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/
[19:44] <brunogirin> yeah I googled "rate my rack", not quite the same :-)
[19:45] <AlanBell> not quite
[19:46]  * AlanBell gives brunogirin the "sweet and innocent" award
[19:49] <brunogirin> AlanBell: I don't win that one often!
[19:56] <andylockran> afternoon all
[20:28] <dwatkins> be careful what you search for
[20:29] <dwatkins> My spice rack is a shelf in a cupboard, it's not even worthy of a photo.
[20:36] <AlanBell> it totally is dwatkins
[20:38] <dwatkins> AlanBell: well I suppose I could take one, but it's just a random collection of things I've obtained, there's no rhyme nor reason to it.
[20:38] <AlanBell> excellent
[20:38] <SuperEngineer> live on BBC News now: total eclipse from Cairns
[20:46] <Gargoyle> Evening. Can anyone shed any light on why on an upgrade from server 12.04 to server 12.10 "service php5-fpm restart" reports "Fail!", but the service is actually restarted. Any clues on where I might go hunting (this doesn't happen on another node that was a clean install of 12.10)
[21:01] <Darael> Gargoyle: Firstly, take a look at the file in /etc/init.d
[21:01] <Darael> Gargoyle: That'll help find what command it's running and how it tells if it's started correctly.
[21:02] <Darael> Gargoyle: Then, take a look at the manpage for the command, and see if there's anything relevant.
[21:02] <Darael> Gargoyle: Diffing the service files between the two machines might turn something up, too.
[21:02] <Gargoyle> Darael: Ahh. Good idea!
[21:05] <Gargoyle> If diff returns nothing, does that mean they are exactly the same?
[21:06] <mgdm> yes
[21:07] <Darael> Gargoyle: Take a look in the relevant logs, too, and see if it's throwing any errors.
[21:08] <Gargoyle> Darael: Nothing in the php-fpm log. Does the start-stop-daemon log to syslog?
[21:11] <Gargoyle> Segfault! :/
[21:11] <Gargoyle> How can it segfault and still start the service!
[21:14] <Gargoyle> Does this mean anything to anyone:- php5-fpm[20355]: segfault at 7f436f913d98 ip 00007f4375c708e4 sp 00007fff058dc910 error 4 in ld-2.15.so[7f4375c61000+22000]
[21:16] <popey> Gargoyle, is this a desktop or a server?
[21:16] <Gargoyle> popey: server
[21:16] <popey> http://forums.famillecollet.com/viewtopic.php?id=1787
[21:16] <popey> http://forums.famillecollet.com/viewtopic.php?id=1772
[21:16] <popey> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/xcache/yndEQyJtVoY
[21:16] <popey> etc
[21:17] <popey> nice to know you're not alone
[21:18] <Gargoyle> yeah. All I seem to do at the moment is segfault php one way or another! :/
[21:19] <mgdm> what extensions are you running?
[21:19] <Gargoyle> imagemagic, gd, apc, curl, memcached, mongo
[21:20] <mgdm> hmmm
[21:20] <mgdm> and where'd you get them from?
[21:20] <Gargoyle> all from 12.10 distro except mongo, which is the 1.3.0RC2
[21:20] <Gargoyle> but I tried disabling that.
[21:21] <mgdm> hmmm
[21:21] <Gargoyle> might have to disable them all and see if I can narrow it down.
[21:21] <mgdm> can you reproduce it using the PHP command line?
[21:23] <Gargoyle> mgdm: yes
[21:23] <mgdm> ah ha
[21:24] <mgdm> if you do 'ulimit -c unlimited', then run it again, can you get a core dump?
[21:24] <Gargoyle> just running php5-fpm segfaults (but it still starts up!)
[21:24] <mgdm> oh, I meant just the 'php' command, as in php5-cli
[21:24] <Gargoyle> mgdm: Nope. this is php-fpm that's faulting
[21:25] <mgdm> Right, well
[21:25] <mgdm> I suspect it's something in FPM
[21:25] <mgdm> but the PHP packages in Ubuntu are ruined by the Suhosin patch (or used to be, at least)
[21:25] <mgdm> so any backtrace is basically useless
[21:26] <mgdm> but no harm in trying
[21:28] <Gargoyle> mgdm: Not really sure what I am looking for in a backtrace
[21:29] <shiny> shiya
[21:29] <shiny> hi everyone
[21:29] <Gargoyle> hi
[21:30] <mgdm> Gargoyle: well, pastebin it
[21:32] <Gargoyle> http://pastie.org/5373894
[21:32] <mgdm> yeah, no debug symbols
[21:33] <mgdm> oh, nm
[21:34] <mgdm> hmm, it's fpm blowing up on start. CAn you check your config is correct? I don't know much about it
[21:34]  * mgdm disappears
[21:44] <Gargoyle> it's the imagick module!
[21:52] <Gargoyle> Is it normal to have RC packages in the distro? (php5-imagick                       3.1.0~rc1-1build2)
[21:53] <AlanBell> !info php5-imagick
[21:54] <AlanBell> yes :)
[21:54] <Gargoyle> It's even a rc in 12.04
[21:54] <AlanBell> some projects never release
[21:56] <AlanBell> !info imagemagick
[21:57] <AlanBell> the rc bit is just the PHP wrapper
[21:57] <AlanBell> that said, the wrapper is as big as the wrappee
[21:59] <Gargoyle> Interesting. there are different "related" packages installed on two 12.10 servers.
[22:03] <Gargoyle> Is there a way to get the list of related packages?
[22:04] <Gargoyle> the ones listed where apt says "The following extra packages will be installed"
[22:04] <Gargoyle> nm. giving up for today!
[22:04] <Gargoyle> thanks for the help anyhoo!
[22:20] <AlanBell> not sure I would recommend this for production deployments
[23:07] <brobostigon> lol, i quote, it is claimed a politician was bitten by a bug, all reports suggest the bug survived.
[23:20] <xnox> czajkowski: libmtp 1.1.5 recognises nexus7, there are some changelog indications that it should recognize "galaxy nexus"
[23:20] <xnox> czajkowski: 1.1.5 is in raring, and backported in my ppa for quantal ppa:xnox/backports
[23:21] <xnox> czajkowski: maybe you want to try it, and let me know if that improves it for you.
[23:22] <czajkowski> xnox: context?
[23:22] <xnox> czajkowski: making ubuntu "recognize" your phone for syncing.
[23:22] <czajkowski> ahhh
[23:22] <czajkowski> ok
[23:23] <xnox> czajkowski: try upgrading mtp-tools libmtp9 libmtp-runtime libmtp-common from my ppa.
[23:24] <czajkowski> might do over the weekend
[23:24] <czajkowski> curled up on the couch now
[23:24] <xnox> czajkowski: ack =)))))
[23:41] <ali1234> what do i need to install to make java work on 12.10?
[23:42] <ali1234> openjdk-6-jre
[23:53] <AlanBell> you don't want openjdk-7-jre?
[23:59] <directhex> do i hear any advance on 7? anyone?