[00:48] <snap-l> jcastro_: Going to make it tomorrow?
[01:34] <snap-l> http://blackcirclerecords.bandcamp.com/album/well-live-on-songs-and-hope-instead <- This gives me the sad
[12:58] <snap-l> Took the cat in for her spaying today.
[12:59] <snap-l> House seems quiet without her.
[12:59] <rick_h> hah
[13:25] <jcastro_> snap-l: I should be there
[13:26] <brousch> For the spaying? You are a true friend
[13:27] <jcastro_> hah
[13:33] <rick_h> lol, man discovers usb3 http://goo.gl/1kjX4
[13:35] <rick_h> and crap, the perfectly crafted rick_h link bait is down :( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4776859
[13:48] <brousch> Down?
[13:48] <brousch> Ah, I see
[13:48] <rick_h> original site was down
[13:49] <rick_h> and @#$#@ python libaries without any docs on their website
[13:49]  * rick_h grumbles and branches it down locally to see how the #@$#$ to use it at all
[13:54] <brousch> It's obvious!
[14:06] <brousch> rick_h: I got confused at the end of the USB3 article. Then I noticed it was on r.bmark, and the comment authors were getting stripped off
[14:07] <rick_h> brousch: yea, the comments on the coding horror aren't parsed well
[14:07] <rick_h> they're supposed to get removed on sites so I'll have to debug that
[14:07] <brousch> heh
[14:11] <jrwren> that usb3 article makes me want more fast drives. I hate slow usb flash memoires.
[14:12] <rick_h> yea, <3 usb3
[14:12] <rick_h> I wish these came in usb3 http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Flash-Drive-SDCZ33-016G-B35/dp/B005FYNSZA/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1352815941&sr=8-15&keywords=sandisk
[14:13] <jrwren> why those?
[14:13] <brousch> tiny
[14:13] <jrwren> oh, size.
[14:13] <jrwren> nice.
[14:14] <rick_h> yea, that kind of 'always leave it in' kind of nice size
[14:14] <brousch> I  have a 32GB HP that's about the size of a quarter
[14:14] <brousch> Basically 2x the size of a usb male end
[14:15] <jrwren> if you are going to leave it in all the time, why not just use your internal storage?
[14:15] <rick_h> because it's off device and you can swap it out
[14:15] <brousch> USB2 though
[14:15] <rick_h> rsync to second drive. be able to pull it out at a conference and swap files, etc
[14:17] <brousch> hah http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0SF0BP6766&Tpk=usb3
[14:18] <rick_h> heh yea bigger than either ssd I have in my laptop
[14:19]  * snap-l likes his USB3 drive
[14:19] <snap-l> Though it's just for backups
[14:53] <snap-l> Reminder: MUG meeting tonight, featuring the Ubuntu MI Loco (that's you all)
[14:54] <brousch> I don't feel featured
[14:55] <snap-l> brousch: You're full featured.
[14:57] <brousch> I am fully functional
[15:29] <jjesse> can someone explain to me the problems that Matthew Garrett is posting to his blog about Hex Code and it be rude or offensive to people?
[15:29] <jjesse> i see them via Planet Ubuntu and not quite sure if I should care or not
[15:30] <rick_h> I don't see Garrett on the planet blog list
[15:30] <rick_h> so no idea, must have missed all this
[15:30] <jjesse> wrong name sorry
[15:30] <jrwren> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/
[15:30] <jjesse> yeah that one
[15:31] <rick_h> oh, that was a while ago
[15:31] <jjesse> he just posted about VMWare being as bad as Microsoft
[15:32] <jrwren> at least babefeel is gender neutral. b16boob5 and 0boob135 is not
[15:32] <rick_h> so yea, looks like they've got 'babe feel' as a constant
[15:32] <jjesse> should i be offended?
[15:33] <rick_h> well it's hostile to the other gender when the code base has things like this
[15:33] <rick_h> you're supposed to pretend your a female programmer working on this codebase running into these
[15:33] <jjesse> oh
[15:34] <jrwren> except that a female wrote babefeel in the vmware code base. I'm not sure if she was thinking about brad pitt or fabio when she did so.
[15:36] <jjesse> so i have to make sure i don't offend any race, gender, religion in my code now?
[15:36] <jrwren> no, you don't have to.
[15:36] <jrwren> if you want to be an asshole, you are free to do so.
[15:36] <jrwren> we won't like you.
[15:37] <jcastro_> smoser: you going to mug tonight?
[15:37] <jrwren> and in this channel we ask that you follow the ubuntu CoC
[15:37] <jcastro_> jrwren: how about you?
[15:37] <jrwren> jcastro_: i am not.
[15:38] <jjesse> i understand the code of contact and all that
[15:39] <jjesse> i guess i just wonder how far this can go
[15:39] <rick_h> https://plus.google.com/109177818181860045889/posts is female?
[15:39] <jrwren> jjesse: please expand. tell me about how going too far is bad :)
[15:39]  * rick_h is confused
[15:40] <jrwren> rick_h: i was j/k
[15:40] <jjesse> ok do we have to take into account all religious views?
[15:40] <rick_h> jrwren: well @#$#@ I just spent the last bit going through the history and searching for this guy
[15:40] <jjesse> that might exist
[15:40] <jrwren> rick_h: lols, sorry
[15:40] <jrwren> jjesse: only ones that sane people care about. Trash scientology all you want.
[15:42] <rick_h> jjesse: it's all about your code. If you want to potentially have someone get pissed and not work on the code then whatever
[15:42] <rick_h> but honestly, it's like the conferences all doing the CoC, Ubuntu CoC.
[15:42] <rick_h> if you want all types to participate you've got to choke down the PC rulebook
[15:43] <jrwren> Be Excellent To Each Other.
[15:43] <rick_h> even in code
[15:43] <jrwren> certainly in code too.
[15:44] <jrwren> code is a tool for communicating ideas with the side effect that is makes machines do something. write it so.
[15:44] <_stink_> and ultimately your speech/code is not protected from anger, scrutiny, and other bad reactions from others.
[15:44] <_stink_> the 1st amendment only protects you from the government.
[15:44] <_stink_> not from others, whether acting fairly or unfairly.
[15:45] <smoser> jcastro_, i am.
[15:45] <jrwren> that is right. I am free to irrationally hate on oracle and sun over teh same things which I don't hate on them when done by others.  #FREEDOME!!!!!
[15:48] <jjesse> but the beauty is that most of the time you could change my code to make it unoffensive right?
[15:49] <jjesse> like i accidentally offend people who believe in Goats as Gods then that person could change it
[15:49] <jjesse> assuming its open source
[15:50] <jrwren> yes.
[15:51] <jrwren> there are accidents and then there are just immature stupidity.
[15:51] <jrwren> the community in general is fighting against immature stupidity
[15:51] <jjesse> but whose definition of immature stupidity?
[15:52] <krondor> jrwren: that is indeed a fight that will be neverending: RTFM
[15:52] <jjesse> look i'm not trying to come across as a jackass i'm just trying to figure this out
[15:52] <jrwren> krondor: what do you mean?
[15:52] <jrwren> jjesse: the communities definition of immature stupidity.
[15:53] <jjesse> but once again you have to take into consideration every community definition of immature stupidity
[15:53] <jrwren> the global community.
[15:53] <krondor> jrwren I mean that you will always have members of a community that do not gel with more sensitive members
[15:53] <jrwren> krondor: certainly true.
[15:53] <jjesse> too me it seems that reddit has a definition of immaturity and stupidity than most Ubuntu channels i frequent
[15:53] <jrwren> jjesse: depends on which subreddit :)
[15:54] <jjesse> jrwren, thats my point exactly do i have to take into consideration every single subreddit that may exist or may exist sometime in the future for figuring out if my variable might offend someone
[15:54] <jjesse> take it to the extreme
[15:54] <krondor> jjesse it's obviously abstract, even in legal systems you see courts struggle around 'what would a reasonable person' type things.
[15:55] <jjesse> what if Statanic Ubuntu or Muslim Ubuntu offends my Christians beliefes
[15:55] <jjesse> do they have to take that into consideration
[15:55] <jrwren> you don't have to do anything.
[15:55] <jrwren> the community will be more welcoming to you if you offend fewer people.
[15:55] <jrwren> your point is that someone is always going to be offended, and that is true.
[15:56] <krondor> you can't please everyone
[15:56] <jjesse> but what about Christian Ubuntu that offends the Muslim population or if Muslim Ubuntu offends the Christians
[15:56] <jrwren> jjesse: what about it?
[15:56] <jjesse> jrwren, exactly that's what i'm getting at
[15:56] <jjesse> should we b focusing on a variable that contains the word boobs instead of trying to make the product better and used by more people
[15:56] <jrwren> jjesse: here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mores  :)
[15:57] <jrwren> jjesse: ah, so your question is what should we focus on. That is ultimately an individual question of values.
[15:57] <_stink_> so i would claim that there are only two motivations for trying to not offend people: 1) your own moral judgment and 2) your desire to be well liked/respected in a community
[15:57] <_stink_> if neither of those motivate you in a particular case, then just do what you want.
[15:57] <jrwren> jjesse: The community at large has decided to value creating a welcome environment and that means focusing on NOT doing exclusionary things like the aforementioned.
[15:58] <jjesse> jrwren, once again i'm just trying to understand things not be a jerk
[15:58] <jrwren> yes, what _stink_ said, and for evidence you can see the questionable decisions and behavior of RMS and ESR
[15:58] <jjesse> i fully support being as unoffensive to people at conferences etc
[15:59] <jrwren> jjesse: I'm sorry if I am responding as if you are jerk. I'm honestly just trying to engage in teh discussion. I think that I understand your questions.
[15:59] <jrwren> jjesse: why qualify that to "at conferences" ?
[15:59] <jjesse> but wonder if we should focus our time on checking for precense of boob as variable instead of fixing the problems
[15:59] <jrwren> the presense of boob as variable IS a problem.
[15:59] <jjesse> jrwren, i don't think you are making me sound like a jerk
[16:00] <jjesse> but not to the 99% of the people that don't read the code right?
[16:00] <_stink_> maybe i just mistyped 'bob'.
[16:00] <jrwren> jjesse: oh sure, its not a problem to an end user (whatever that means)
[16:01] <jrwren> it is a huge problem when brilliant female programmers decide not to engage in the community because they feel unwelcomed.
[16:01] <jjesse> jrwren, i fully agree w/ that comment you just made
[16:01] <jrwren> That is the problem.
[16:02] <jrwren> you said "i fully support being as unoffensive to people at conferences etc". That also is not a problem to 99% of the people that don't attend the conference. So why bother?
[16:02] <jjesse> look i'm not female so i don't know, but does "boob" offend females?  dumb question right?
[16:03] <jrwren> ha, no.
[16:04] <jrwren> I doubt offend is the right world, but does it welcome them?
[16:04] <_stink_> jjesse: i would claim that it's not your place to define what offends others.
[16:04] <jrwren> Why is it there?
[16:04] <jjesse> no idea
[16:04] <jrwren> is it being there important? what purpose does it serve?
[16:04] <jjesse> but probably due to immaturity as mentioned earlier
[16:04] <_stink_> just as only you can define what offends you.
[16:04] <jjesse> at least that would be y argument
[16:04] <jrwren> what purpose could it serve other than being devisive ?
[16:05] <jrwren> What a female has a question about code and does a git blame and sees who wrote this do you think they will be more or less willing to engage and ask? or to contribute?
[16:06] <jrwren> Most smart females I know would role their eyes and write off the idiot man child running around yelling "boobies". It should not be much different in code.
[16:06] <jjesse> or just change the variable?
[16:07] <jrwren> do you want to be the woman with the blame in the git history for changing that constant?
[16:07] <_stink_> i don't think it's the presence of the word per se.  it's the tolerance of developers who think it's a good idea to behave like that.
[16:08] <jrwren> right, its certainly not JUST 0xb00b135 its the attitude that goes along with it.
[16:10] <rick_h> https://twitter.com/boucher/status/268224736448892928 lmao of the day
[16:25] <snap-l> rick_h: Hah. :)
[16:32] <jrwren> its The Atlantic, wtf does anyone expect.
[16:33] <rick_h> oh come on, it didn't make you laugh?
[16:33] <rick_h> you're too serious today :P
[16:33] <jrwren> oh no, it definitely made me laugh.
[16:33] <jrwren> i retweeted it :)
[16:40] <jrwren> omg, I just had the craziest idea for a vim plugin.
[16:41] <jrwren> read the current active tab in your web browser and tokenize it and add those tokens to autocomplete. How often are you reading docs in web browser for what you are writing in vim?
[16:42] <rick_h> how are you going to tokenize for various web content layouts?
[16:56] <jrwren> same way vim would
[16:57] <jrwren> so yes, there would be lots of garbage, but that is OK
[17:10] <snap-l> How am I going to tokenize G+?
[17:10] <snap-l> or reddit. :)
[17:10] <snap-l> lo[tab]lwtfbbq
[17:11] <rick_h> he said docs, not the drunk/insane :P
[17:21] <snap-l> rick_h: Some days I wonder if there's a difference. :)
[18:45] <krondor> If there's anything Penguicon has taught me, it's that the best docs are written drunk.  And presentations given...
[18:52] <greg-g> * is better drunk.
[18:52] <greg-g> drunk > *
[18:53] <greg-g> pick your favorite way of doing it :)
[18:56] <snap-l> swinging from the lampshades seems to be a crowd pleaser
[18:56] <snap-l> Er, should have read that more carefully.
[19:13] <waldo323_> krondor, does that mean we should have more late night tech talks?
[19:18] <snap-l> waldo323_: I think it means we should spend more of the PCon budget on good beer.
[19:19] <waldo323_> :)
[19:20] <waldo323_> ooooh i wonder if i could have a free as in beer and with beer tech segment
[19:25] <waldo323_> not sure how i'd pull off the free bit for the beer though
[19:25] <waldo323_> s/we/i/
[19:26] <ColonelPanic001> penguicon is coming up, I nearly forgot
[19:26] <ColonelPanic001> I should probably go to that
[19:26] <rick_h> feels like that just happened, when is it?
[19:26] <rick_h> isn't it like next spring?
[19:26] <ColonelPanic001> TBD, according to their site
[19:26] <ColonelPanic001> it'll probably say that until the night of
[19:26] <rick_h> heh, so that's hardly coming up
[19:27] <ColonelPanic001> I expect the schedule will be up the week after the event
[19:27] <rick_h> you have such faith
[19:27] <ColonelPanic001> that's their standard procedure :P
[19:27] <ColonelPanic001> well, almost. They got the new-agey shakra and auras stuff up nice and early
[19:28] <waldo323_> hotel is the question at the moment
[19:28] <waldo323_> there was a possible date but it conflicted with notacon
[19:29] <waldo323_> so they are trying for the week after that
[20:00] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001 likes to be early for everything
[20:00] <ColonelPanic001> I plan to get to Penguicon a week in advance
[20:00] <ColonelPanic001> just in case
[20:01] <krondor> waldo323: thank god for avoiding con conflict, olf + grrcon + derbycon == fail
[20:04] <krondor> also I'm all for late night tech talks, because a.) not a morning person, and b.) late night people are more fun in my experience.
[20:10] <brousch> We (GrrCon) had Kevin Mitnic
[20:12] <krondor> brousch:  I wanted to goto grrcon badly actually but had told olf I'd speak and then found out they were the same weekend.
[20:14] <jrwren> anyone know deb's well enough to know dh_strip and how it works?
[20:15] <jrwren> ah, nvm. it works with dpkg-buildflags
[20:32] <snap-l> IE10 was released.
[20:32] <snap-l> That makes 4 supported versions of IE?
[20:32] <snap-l> 7, 8, 9, and 10?
[20:33] <rick_h> 8/9/10?
[20:33] <rick_h> I don't think 7 is any longer
[20:33] <rick_h> and that's just until XP falls off support again then 8 can go away I think
[20:33] <snap-l> Is it in that meta-support that 6 enjoyed?
[20:33] <rick_h> yea
[20:33] <rick_h> no support but wtf people can still install and never upgrade
[20:33] <brousch> XP has IE8. I wouldn't go lower than that
[20:34] <rick_h> right, we got to move to IE8 for launchpad even for our asia peeps on xp machines
[20:34] <rick_h> but xp can't get 9/10 if I recall due to hardware accel.
[20:34] <krondor> 7 is 'required' at my work because of stupid software that is only certified for that
[20:34] <snap-l> krondor: Ugh
[20:34] <rick_h> right, supported != stupid companies ... sure there's still IE6 because of that crap out there to this day
[20:34] <krondor> 8 is going to be certified in a few months
[20:34] <rick_h> hah, just in time to be dead again wheeee
[20:34] <krondor> windows desktop refresh is doing windows 7 32 bit because 64 bit isn't certified
[20:35] <krondor> i could go on
[20:36] <snap-l> krondor: Oh FFS
[20:36] <krondor> damnit now I need a beer, hope I can make it mug lol
[20:38] <brousch> Working on my internal app, I am ignoring IE
[20:38] <brousch> It is a wonderful thing
[20:38] <rick_h> did a happy dance when I tested my huge JS rewrite of the banners in launchpad and they 'just worked' in IE
[20:38] <rick_h> good js > *
[20:38] <rick_h> no animation though since no css3 animatinos :(
[20:39] <brousch> Fluff
[20:39] <rick_h> the pretty!
[20:45] <Blazeix> i'm using IE10 at home, and you get the pretty
[20:45] <snap-l> God, I have to release a Club Metal soon.
[20:45] <Blazeix> (well, when i'm not booted to linux)
[20:45] <rick_h> I'm debating on if I should upgrade in my VM since we're not really testing anything in IE10 yet I might just stick with 9 for a while
[20:45] <snap-l> 17 tracks in the backlog.
[20:46] <snap-l> rick_h: I'd upgrade once Windows 7's version isn't a pre-release
[20:46] <snap-l> though if you make a WIndows 8 VM, you get it gratis
[20:46] <rick_h> The Droid DNA has a 5-inch Super LCD 3 1920×1080 screen *sigh*
[20:47]  * snap-l does not envy folks who upgrade directly from WIndows XP to Windows 8
[20:47] <rick_h> and my desktop dock: HDMI2 connected 1920x108
[20:47] <snap-l> That's got to be a shock like going from Ubuntu 10.04 desktop to 12.04
[20:47] <rick_h> err 1080 that is :)
[20:47] <snap-l> rick_h: 1920x108 = UWXTVGA. ;)
[20:48] <Blazeix> if you're still running windows xp you deserve whatever hell you get
[20:49] <greg-g> I have a winxp vm
[20:49] <greg-g> its the only windows vm I could get
[20:49] <rick_h> win7 vm here
[20:49] <snap-l> I still have WinXP
[20:49] <rick_h> bought the stupid home professional (wtf does that mean?)
[20:49] <snap-l> It's what we use for work
[20:49] <greg-g> I guess I bought a laptop with win7 on it, so I wouldn't feel bad with some loaned win7 vm, but, yeah
[20:49] <snap-l> rick_h: I fucking HATE Windows' pricing levels
[20:50] <snap-l> Home Professional sounds like "Sun and Sound Package"
[20:50] <greg-g> antifeatures
[20:51] <snap-l> "Oh, you want cloth seats? That's only in the basic package"
[20:51] <snap-l> "Oh, you want a leather-wrapped steering wheel? That's in our NASCAR package"
[20:51] <greg-g> it's worse than that, it is seriously just flipping a few bits to enable more IP connections (for the difference with the Windows Server packages)
[20:52] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, I know. It's like the stupid per CPU licenses of VMS
[20:52] <snap-l> $10K to enable multi-user.
[20:52] <greg-g> indeed
[20:52] <greg-g> it pains people like me who wish more of the world did utility pricing, not rent seeking
[20:53] <snap-l> Well, I can see why it might make sense on a physical product
[20:53] <snap-l> but this bundling shit drives me insane as a software user
Monopolies are harmful to society no matter then medium</rant> ;)
[20:55] <greg-g> the shortest Greg rant ever
[20:55] <greg-g> actually, no, thats:
[20:55]  * greg-g grumbles
[20:55] <snap-l> That said, having purchased my car as the happy medium between what I wanted, and what I didn't want, I can bitch about not servicing the customer. ;)
[20:55] <snap-l> Upgraded radio = sunroof
[20:56] <snap-l> and for a climate where we see the sun 1/4 of the year, that's pretty stupid
[20:56] <snap-l> I don't need another entry point for water in my life.
[20:56] <greg-g> :)
[20:57] <rick_h> yea, the Taureg I checked out had a giant sun roof that went to the back seat, which was impressive as hell
[20:57] <rick_h> until I thoguht "damn, I bet that's $$ to fix"
[20:58] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, the reason we didn't go with the Beetle was because the side windows have to go down in order to open the door
[20:58] <jcastro_> lol
[20:58] <snap-l> and all JoDee could think of was "when that motor burns out, you're trapped
[20:58] <rick_h> and because we'd make fun of you for driving the beetle
[20:58] <greg-g> haha
[20:59] <brousch> I would celebrate his lifestyle choice
[20:59] <greg-g> hey now guys, we're in the post-gender society, snap-l can drive whatever he wants.
[20:59] <snap-l> I'm secure enough in my manhood to drive a Beetle.
[20:59] <greg-g> word
[20:59] <greg-g> I snark, but take it for the true parts that are hidden in it
[20:59] <rick_h> snap-l: that's good, because we'd help you work on that security
[20:59] <snap-l> And it's the new beetle, that doesn't have a fake flower vase.
[20:59] <greg-g> THEY GOT RID OF THAT?!
[21:00] <snap-l> greg-g: 'fraid so
[21:00] <rick_h> ...beetle...that is all
[21:00] <snap-l> and they made it longer.
[21:00] <snap-l> I'd callenge any one of you to sit in a Beetle and think "I really don't like this car"
[21:00] <rick_h> been in one...no likey
[21:01] <snap-l> Except rick_h, who can hate anything on a dime. ;)
[21:01] <rick_h> I'm just opinionated :P
[21:01] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't think rick_h would ever cotton to the Beetle.
[21:01] <snap-l> Funny thing is I think the Beetle has as much trunk space as our Caliber.
[21:01] <rick_h> http://www.rpmgo.com/volkswagen-new-beetle-pick-up-truck-edition-has-everything-you-need-for-hauling-flowers
[21:01] <snap-l> Caliber = shit for hauling things.
[21:02] <rick_h> I mean...even when they try to add some testosterone...fail
[21:02] <snap-l> rick_h: Actually, I could see that on the road.
[21:02] <rick_h> I can see it on the road np...just not with me in it
[21:03] <rick_h> see scion
[21:03] <snap-l> hah
[21:03] <rick_h> beetle is like those stupid box cars
[21:03] <snap-l> Oh c'mon. What's wrong with Scions?
[21:03] <snap-l> Other than I'd never be caught in one.
[21:03] <rick_h> people buy them sure, but I'd have to poke fun at anyone here driving one
[21:03] <rick_h> even this is filled with ...nope http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/17/rendered-speculation-one-possibility-for-next-gen-new-beetle/
[21:04] <rick_h> the front of that one looks like the trunk of a real car
[21:04] <brousch> I don't see a problem with http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/
[21:05] <krondor> snap-l:  I once drove someone's beetle from the front of a dorm to a parking space, went to move the seat and broke off the plastic knob.
[21:05] <rick_h> lol, that's what I hated. The whole dash (and it was HUGE) was all plasticy and cheap feeling
[21:05] <snap-l> krondor: You desecrated the Beethe.
[21:06] <rick_h> lol, here you go snap-l http://www.flickr.com/photos/madphysicist/2247759275/
[21:07] <krondor> it was the second worst interior failure in a car I've experienced.  Number 1 was driving down the road when my rear view interior mirror fell off ('92 ford taurus in 2004)
[21:07] <rick_h> lol, at least that car had some years on it first
[21:07] <krondor> I believe that car was manufactured from rust painted silver
[21:08] <snap-l> krondor: Yeah, that's the Taurus alright.
[21:08] <krondor> so I'm upset that the dna has as much ram as my laptop, a better screen, and more cpu cores
[21:09] <snap-l> Had that happen in my Alero, but that was after the second windshield repair
[21:09] <brousch> krondor: DNA?
[21:09] <krondor> http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/13/htc-droid-dna-verizon/
[21:09]  * snap-l loved the Alero. Was a welcome change from the shitbucket transmittions of the last two Ford products I had.
[21:10] <brousch> HTC is paying off Apple. They can go suck an egg
[21:10] <snap-l> brousch: I don't blame any company for trying to avoid litigation
[21:10] <snap-l> I think it's humorous in the wake of the Samsung / Apple litigation that Samsung raised the prices of the A6
[21:11] <brousch> That will encourage Apple to keep the lawsuits flowing
[21:11] <snap-l> though I don't ascribe that to anything to do with the lawsuit
[21:11] <brousch> Also the one time I tried to root an HTC I failed, so they can go suck an egg for that too
[21:11] <snap-l> brousch: so much hostility
[21:11] <krondor> I've had good luck with htc actually, but I dislike sense ui, well and motoblur, actually anything not stock android pretty mcuh
[21:11] <brousch> Fuckem, there are many alternatives
[21:12] <krondor> s/mcuh/much/
[21:12] <snap-l> krondor: ++