[02:50] <gilbert> paultag: #682050 ^_^
[02:52] <paultag> gilbert: hahaha what a dickhead
[02:57] <paultag> in a good way
[02:57] <paultag> gilbert: thanks for helping to take care of something that's important :)
[02:57] <paultag> (pretty core package there)
[03:06] <gilbert> true
[03:06] <gilbert> i seem to be able to find all the pain points...also dealing with an rc issue in python2.6
[03:07] <gilbert> the thing is that the change is so incredibly mindless.  its just reverting a patch that broke a bunch of stuff
[03:09] <paultag> bleh
[03:09] <paultag> also, why the heck are we shipping 2.6 on wheezy
[03:09] <paultag> such a stupid move
[03:14] <gilbert> dunno, historically there have been two python2.x's shipped with every release
[03:14] <gilbert> really the issue is that some stuff didn't get ported to 2.7 in time...but oh well
[03:22] <paultag> gilbert: 2.6 is EOL'd
[03:22] <paultag> gilbert: and supporting that prevents 3.x migration, and wheezy has 3.x support
[03:23] <paultag> we shouldn't ship EOL'd software, since it'll be 2 years EOL'd by wheezy EOL
[03:28] <paultag> alright, bbl, one love
[03:35] <gilbert> i totally agree.  don't blame me.  blame the crazy python maintainer situation that the tech committee did absolutely nothing about
[14:21] <paultag> gilbert++
[14:47] <paultag> gilbert: I've been screwing around with some code in my hotel - http://graph.lucifer.pault.ag/
[14:47] <paultag> gilbert: enter two uids (paultag / gilbert)
[14:47] <paultag> mgilbert* :)
[15:47] <thafreak> so say some one has a customer...and they don't want to host their email with google...because well they fear google having their data
[15:48] <thafreak> are there any other hosted email providers that are worth a crap? Also, outlook.com/office365 is out of question...
[15:58] <canthus13> thafreak: yahoo does hosted email... it's not *that* bad.
[16:15] <Cheri703> yahoo mail is terrible, don't know about hosted, but I don't trust someone who wants to make you pay to transfer your data away from their free service :/
[16:29] <thafreak> I think we might be leaning towards running our own email server in a vps or something...
[16:30] <thafreak> :/
[16:30] <thafreak> better than running it there at their premises...then i don't have to deal with the crappy dsl stuff
[19:28] <skellat> paultag: I think I did something evil here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=693147
[19:31] <paultag> skellat: :)
[19:31] <paultag> skellat: next, prepare a fix :)
[19:31] <paultag> skellat: oh, maintainer is a cool guy.
[19:32] <skellat> There's no new stable to jump to yet, though
[19:32] <skellat> It is in its 3rd public beta as Twitter API 1.1 is apparently a pain in the ass
[19:33] <paultag> mmm, auye
[19:34] <skellat> I've followed most of the discussion from Cameron Kaiser's end for what Twitter's done to their bloody API and there are still issues he's trying to fix
[19:34] <skellat> I filed a release critical bug just to be sure the older version does not make it into the Wheezy release
[19:35] <skellat> The two big breakers between versions are handling Twitter rate limits and coping with t.co which Dr. Kaiser is having to outright rebuild handling for
[19:39] <skellat> Suggestions?
[19:39] <skellat> I actually do have some level of contact with the upstream on this one.
[19:41] <paultag> skellat: I'd get in touch with the Debian release team
[19:41] <paultag> skellat: it's already in wheezy, you should make sure the release team knows and removes from wheezy or allows this new upstream through
[19:41] <paultag> #debian-release on ofct
[19:42] <paultag> oftc
[19:48] <skellat> Crap...government officials on the line...be back later...
[19:57] <Unit193> Sounds fun...
[19:57] <dzho> o.O
[21:13] <canthus13> thafreak: postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail isn't too bad once you beat postfix and dovecot into submission.
[21:14]  * canthus13 is still having occasional problems with them trying to fight back. :/
[21:23] <skellat> paultag: Still around?
[21:28]  * skellat is glad to be done for the day talking with part-time zoning inspectors who deliberately have no voice mail and practically unstaffed yet still existing on paper planning agencies about home building
[21:31]  * skellat wanders off for more household duties
[21:39] <thafreak> canthus13: yeah, actually, ubuntu has a meta pkg called postfix-dovecot...or dovecot-postfix
[21:39] <thafreak> i forget
[21:39] <thafreak> but it automagically configures everythin for you and sets it all up to use pam auth
[21:39] <thafreak> so your shell accounts can use imap
[21:40] <thafreak> i'm actually a big fan of dbmail, but lately it's imap server has some memory leak problems that are causing me un-ending grief
[21:41] <canthus13> heh.
[22:52] <thafreak> so i bought a seagate "goflex" external disk a while back
[22:52] <thafreak> and hadn't really used it heavily...had it just plugged into a server somewhere
[22:52] <thafreak> the usb on it kept like going to sleep or something, so the drive would disconnect/reconnect every 20 minutes or so
[22:52] <thafreak> really frustrating trying to rely on it
[22:53] <thafreak> so i pulled it and it's been sitting here
[22:53] <thafreak> well on the box it said it was upgradable to usb 3.0, but i never thought to try and pop the base off
[22:53] <thafreak> just now pulled it off, it's a standard sata interface on there...can plug in a normal usb->sata adapter i bet
[23:23] <paultag> yo thafreak
[23:24] <paultag> thafreak: you got a pelican case, right?
[23:42] <thafreak> yesir
[23:43] <thafreak> it's alot smaller than i was picturing
[23:43] <thafreak> (that's what she said)
[23:55] <thafreak> gah...i always forget how HORRIBLY long an fsck on a 2TB fs takes!!!